It's also funny that PV DID draw that role, which IMHO is the closest thing to a named VT in this game. I laugh bc in Wake's game he was a Deputy without there being a Cop!
So, is it you or is it Gio? I mean, from where I stand I have no other options, do I? My role PM says I'm Town and JaeReed is confirmed TWICE.
I'm going to take a chance and state intention to vote Gio today, but I won't actually cast a vote until we have discussed everything thoroughly. My record with LyLo/MyLo isn't appealing (not as TOWN anyway).
I don't see enough new arguments, so all I have is guts, and my weakest TR at the moment is Gio. However, considering we are @MyLo I'm not voting yet. I can see Ank being scum who gains an EXTRA kill (i.e. can kill Twice) under certain conditions, but it's nothing more than a theory.
On the contrary, the vote counts actually are very fascinating now that we have two more flips.
1. The last two votes on SirCakez were from town, and every single person still alive (outside of me) were the people that moved it towards SirCakez dying instead of Almost50.
2. It's now confirmed that the last scum was voting for Mathblade. The only reason I wasn't on the wagon is because I got ninja-hammered by Mathblade, so my vote can be considered on there in spirit.
3. Unless Almost50 is scum, every scum was not voting for Maxous when he was lynched.
4. There is a very distinct pattern that I'm noticing in that it's rare for anybody still alive to be a big 'pusher' in the gamestate, especially shortly after Maxous was lynched. SirCakez also follows this trend. Now that we know there's only one scum left, it's very easy to be able to see why.
Outside of number 4, none of this information was available to us before today, primarily because of PeregrineV's voting patterns.
In post 10881, Ankamius wrote:I'm not going to lie, I'm very strongly leaning towards Almost50 being lynched today.
So you're saying that because I DID vote Maxous AND SirCakez I could be Scum??!!!
In fact, I would argue that my continuous push on Cakez and never backing down on nit should be a strong indication (if not PROOF enough) I'm Town. Why would I want to lynch my ONLY scum p that early?
Your response though makes me inclined to believe I did hit the nail on it's head. You may be Scum who gained and EXTRA kill, not a Town Vig who gained a kill by hammering. This "may" mean the Maxous Followers are extinct already and you're still a Serial Killer and started the game with that role, OR it could mean you started the game as a SK but got culted upon Maxous lynch. It doesn't really matter to me which is true at this point. What matters is we lynch YOU and the game is over.
You're also forgetting me promoting my own lynch yesterday with JR hammering. How would I ever propose such a (lunatic in this case) plan if I'm the last standing Scumster?
However, my fear is Ankamius flips a Serial Killer, yet Gio is a Maxous Follower!! Trying to work around it now won't work, as it would require TWO lynches today (lynching Gio AND myself with Ankamius hammering me), which is -of course- impossible. And if we COULD lynch twice we should be lynching Gio & Ank anyway.
So, I'm taking the risk of assuming Gio is Town in this case. Lynching me today costs the Town the game. (And now JR should see why I wanted to get lynched BEFORE we got to this point. Me staying alive in MyLo/LyLo is BAD for Town).
In fact, if I had no other choice I would lynch me with Ank hammering. This only means if he SK but NOT a Maxous Follower he cannot shoot at night. The drawback of it is if he is both a SK AND a Maxous Follower he still has the factional kill to take out either of Gio/JR and win.
Finally, we can NO LYNCH today and count on Gio being Scum and Gio being SK and then cross-killing each other for us to win. Still, this AGAIN assumes BOTH are Scum. If Ank is the one and only he can either have saved his extra kill for later tonight (i.e. he can win with 2 NKs) or he can just shoot JR and try to WIFOM his way out of a 3-man LyLo tomorrow. Hell, he could even kill ME and argue that if he was an SK it would be dumb for him to shoot me, and thus convince JR to lynch Gio instead.
All scenarios now must include an assumption and a risk. I'll do whatever JR tells me to, but -for now- my vote stays on Ank.
Hated doesn't work in mylo/lylo as a general rule.
"Jae defends his townreads like a fanatic" - Charloux
"On the issue of myself they go back and forth between overpowering paranoia and absolute certainty I'm town... it's kind of exhausting." - Nahdia
And also he was reset to vanilla when he made the shot, so no.
"Jae defends his townreads like a fanatic" - Charloux
"On the issue of myself they go back and forth between overpowering paranoia and absolute certainty I'm town... it's kind of exhausting." - Nahdia
Before the nightkill I was thinking it was Gio. Now with how ballsy the nightkill is it screams "the confirmed town has a really wrong read and i can afford to gambit".
Which makes me think A50.
"Jae defends his townreads like a fanatic" - Charloux
"On the issue of myself they go back and forth between overpowering paranoia and absolute certainty I'm town... it's kind of exhausting." - Nahdia
So, we have no way to knowing whether Ankamius even has the modifier he has claimed to have anymore. I must have missed the whole "resets" thing, unless it was never mentioned.
I am at a loss, anyway.
I don't even know why BYF claimed to be scum before flipping green.
I don't know why PV was nightkilled instead of you.
"Jae defends his townreads like a fanatic" - Charloux
"On the issue of myself they go back and forth between overpowering paranoia and absolute certainty I'm town... it's kind of exhausting." - Nahdia
Your move. So you think it's me? Fine. Just have Ank hammer me then and hope to God Gio is Town AND Ank is not a Maxous Follower.
VOTE: Almost50
This is BAD because it assumes the Maxous faction was composed of SirCakez alone. If there's another, be it Ank or Gio then we lose by my lynch.
However, I also have an additional element to consider: Ankamius is the only player alive who also started the game (i.e. s not a replacement). If he is scum and made it so far I have no qualms giving him his deserved win.
In post 10881, Ankamius wrote:I'm not going to lie, I'm very strongly leaning towards Almost50 being lynched today.
So you're saying that because I DID vote Maxous AND SirCakez I could be Scum??!!!
In fact, I would argue that my continuous push on Cakez and never backing down on nit should be a strong indication (if not PROOF enough) I'm Town. Why would I want to lynch my ONLY scum p that early?
Your response though makes me inclined to believe I did hit the nail on it's head. You may be Scum who gained and EXTRA kill, not a Town Vig who gained a kill by hammering. This "may" mean the Maxous Followers are extinct already and you're still a Serial Killer and started the game with that role, OR it could mean you started the game as a SK but got culted upon Maxous lynch. It doesn't really matter to me which is true at this point. What matters is we lynch YOU and the game is over.
VOTE: Ankamius
Fact from my point of view is, the scum pushed the lynched away from you and onto SirCakez.
The next day, you didn't try to lynch yourself at all. It would make a lot of sense for the scum to see my heavy suspicion on him to have town get rid of the bulletproof for them, and you were fanning the flames for us to tunnel each other early on in the day.
You gave up on lynching yourself the day after that really quickly.
It's also not very risky to push your partner when you don't have any influence in the game. Plus on the off chance that you actually do end up getting the lynch pushed through, you look a lot more town for it. It's even explainable why you'd still be alive after that if you keep making weird kills that don't have a clear connection to getting rid of the biggest threats or towniest players... or by having a role that can look like a free lynch to scum.
As I said; I'm fine eating rope today either way. If you're Scum; I'm handing you the win because you're the only starter who is finishing the game. If you're Town; then it's on you that you had this at your grasp and threw it away. GOOD LUCK.
P-edit:
And you let us talk to you as if you were MALE for all that time w/o even hinting? At one point somebody said all remaining players are either a he or a they, and you didn't protest!!
