In post 1682, Infinity 324 wrote:Mastin, you really haven't given that much wrt pine. Essentially your reasoning throughout d1 was "because I said so" and now you're giving some wagon analysis that I don't totally agree with, them breaking into the crew, and NKA. That's it.
And what more are you asking for?
Because that? That's plenty. That's me posting content. That's me bringing up points.
I don't work in making long wallpost cases. That's not me. Never has been, never will be. I bring up specific points. I bring up highlights. And I have done so. I've given you what I've got there. I don't really know what more I have to offer.
The reasons were weak imo. At least not ones I use to catch scum, at all. NKA is WIFOM, breaking into the crew is a reason but doesn't mean they're necessarily scum, and I didn't agree with the wagon analysis.
Also you said you gave more reasons about tone, content, etc when you really didn't so I don't know what that was about
There's a little bit of an outside factor contributing to this--not one I can talk about here. But existing all the same. That outside factor does in fact mean my play's a little bit...well, different from my preference. For instance, I'm being FAR more emotional here than I'd like to be. (I really hate it when I have palatable frustration. It might technically be a towntell, and not one I can fake, but it's REALLY not healthy for me. Not for me, personally, and not for the gamestate. And yet, fallout from the outside factor means that I am in fact feeling it here.) But the changes are tangible. I don't see how they aren't
Idk man. It feels the same to me at least wrt confidence level.
what exactly are you doing?
I see a lot of words, but little protown things brewing.
"hey guys I am town" comments are subtle.
I wonder at night, with whom you cuddle.
Well I'm active and engaged and doing more scumhunting then half the players you have listed as a higher read. I understand that your scum read on me is "weak" (fake?) but if you were so concerned with my play why did you not say anything before I questioned your townyness? It comes off as p OMGUSY.
Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
Too bad. It would have made you seem a lot less creepy.
Klingoncelt: "The whole scumteam slipped on page 1. It's the new meta. Sheep me because my reads are so accurate that whoever I name gets mod-converted to scum."
In post 1649, Klingoncelt wrote:unless this fucker's got an alt we've never played together before, which makes his no-case focus on me creepy and stalker-ish.
You keep saying this, but I don't see how you being creeped out means he's scum as opposed to just you being creeped out.
It doesn't encourage a Townread. He has no case on me, and he's not looking much at anyone else.
He finally tells me to vote for Thinker. I do. Thinker could be Scum, they were one of my compromise lynches. They flip Town and Desperado calls me Scum for hammering them. He says they weren't given time to claim.
What's your issue with this explanation?[/quote]
Entrapment.
In post 1594, Desperado wrote:No Kling, I was encouraging you to follow through with your own words and compromise on a Thinker lynch by giving intent to hammer so they could claim.
Not that you're much better. You ridiculed me for voting for you when you were getting the votes for Rogue Leader, then you went after another player (I forget who) that was voting for Heartless when they were leading the Rogue Leader votes.
It's not unusual in the early game for Scum to get picked for special roles.
Your argument against me and that other player based on popularity was completely without merit.
1. There was about 3 days left until deadline. My issue was with people picking unrealistic lynch targets, and rogue leader candidates would definitely be unrealistic.
2. If you think it was without merit, why does that make it scummy? I think your arguments here are kind of without merit...[/quote]
There were more than 3 days left when I voted for you. 3 days is plenty of time to fill a lynch wagon, if a good enough case is made. I see your point, I did then, but a player winning a popularity contest doesn't mean they're Town.
Klingoncelt: "The whole scumteam slipped on page 1. It's the new meta. Sheep me because my reads are so accurate that whoever I name gets mod-converted to scum."
In post 1735, Aj The Epic wrote:I don't like letting people get away with hammers that don't follow general policy. It's a recipe for disaster going forward.
The stalling signifies to me that scum were happy with the game state and weren't being wagoned until klingon got traction. Or: none of the wagons were scum and we were just able to lynch thinker at the end due to compromise. But the wagons on pine, AJ, and cakez stood long enough with little enough opposition that I'm comfortable calling them town.
Day 1 VCA is worthless. Please don't waste the bandwidth.
Ain't no reason to discourage someone from spending their time hunting.
Are we meant to believe you actually didn't look at the VC before hammering/didn't know the time remaining? Because I find this incredibly hard to believe in a hammer situation. And if you honestly DID believe time was running short, I'd expect you to blame Infinity, not Desperado, who was far more concerned about wagoning.
Have you noticed that I catch up through lots of pages? Sometimes I lose track of vote counts.
Klingoncelt: "The whole scumteam slipped on page 1. It's the new meta. Sheep me because my reads are so accurate that whoever I name gets mod-converted to scum."
Klingoncelt: "The whole scumteam slipped on page 1. It's the new meta. Sheep me because my reads are so accurate that whoever I name gets mod-converted to scum."
"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown
In post 1758, Klingoncelt wrote:Have you noticed that I catch up through lots of pages? Sometimes I lose track of vote counts.
That's a lousy excuse. Especially when I do that with replacing, I make sure I either do the VC myself or check a very recent one to avoid this. There's no excuse for a mishammer.
In post 1741, SirCakez wrote:VOTE: Pine since guilty and they're being dodgy about the crew infiltration thing
How are we being dodgy? We are Galen Erso, Jyn's dad. The one who designed the hole in the Death Star's defenses, and got the plans out of Imperial hands. Our special ability is "This is for you, Stardust," which allows us to join the Rogue crew once in the game. Gin and I saw no reason to wait and plenty of reasons to join, so we did.
"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown
"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown
"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown
"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown
"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown
"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown
Ok I did some VCA which I'll update with the flips but basically this is where I want to go for now.
VOTE: peregrine
I still have some issues with mastin and I want to continue our discussion. I think it's against Occam's razor, but not impossible, that she bussed pine.
Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
Ok so I don't know what mastin was talking about, the cakez wagon started very quickly and died very slowly. (I even skipped some VCs in there, it went on for a while). That, and the lack of attempt at a counterwagon (most notably by pine, but really by anyone) makes me confident cakez is town. Townreading most of the wagon makes me look at LUV and to a lesser extent aj and aero (even though aero was one of the first).
At first glance it looks like thinker could've been a counterwagon to AJ, but pine being off both thinker and cakez when AJ was getting wagoned makes that unlikely. Also, the pine wagon building up as thinker goes down is more evidence against scum!aj, since I would've expected scum to try to CW harder if 2 of them were being wagoned. So assuming there were multiple town wagons during this period, wagon position isn't very AI since scum could be anywhere.
Ok so it looks like scum tried klingon as a CW and couldn't get traction then switched to thinker. The lynch makes me look at cakez (since he was on klingon too) and aj even though that contradicts the rest of the VCA :/ Other than that, titus was on kling and twie was on thinker, so that's something at least.
I'd be surprised if there were any scum here: {molla, piper, heartless, nero}
Leaning town: {sircakez, aj, mastin}
Null: {titus, twie, aero}
Proably scum: {peregrine}
