Open 665 - Friends and Enemies - Game Over! Town Victory!!!

[Grendel]

Grey doesn't seem like an ALL CAPS poster when he his mad. How is it a reach?

Where the fuck do you see all caps mister?

I could run a list off of players that post in lots of caps to show their emotions.

You _can't_ be saying that ppl don't do that. RIght?

No, where do you see caps in Grey's post?

That's not what I'm saying at all. I said that Grey doesn't seem like he conveys anger through all caps, and there are no caps in the post in question.

How am I saying that he was posting in caps there by any facet?

[-Grey-]

HERE IS AN ALL CAPS POST.

CAN YOU TWO KNOCK THIS SHIT OFF NOW?

[Alisae]

Oh I get what you are saying then.
Sorry, you confused me.
What makes you think hes conveying anger then?

[mozamis]

HERE IS AN ALL CAPS POST.

CAN YOU TWO KNOCK THIS SHIT OFF NOW?

This looks so fucking town.

[-Grey-]

HERE IS AN ALL CAPS POST.

CAN YOU TWO KNOCK THIS SHIT OFF NOW?

This looks so fucking town.

Nah.

I could see me doing that as scum.

What makes it look town?

[tojam2]

VC 2.4

Alisae (L-3) - havingfitz, Empking, Lil Uzi Vert
mozamis (L-3) - ConManMick, SnarkySnowman, Hawk
havingfitz (L-5) - mozamis
-Grey- (L-5) - Alisae

NV (3) - -Grey-, Grendel, antihuman (V/LA)

(expired on 2017-02-07 15:56:00)

[Lil Uzi Vert]

@Alisae, LUV, other ppl town reading Mozamis

Why are you town reading Moz?

Here is why: Grey attempts to buddy the "mason", makes no attempt to figure out what he missed, sheeps the "mason", and then 180s the "mason"
Seriously, if Grey was town he would have actually payed attention to when I said I wasn't a mason.
I don't see any town motivation behind his actions.

Is Grey just _shockingly_ less observant as mafia then he is as town? Do you really think that Town!Grey is more likely to pick up on things you're saying then Scum!Grey?

Imo, most players are as observant as one alignment as another. I'm pretty sure you're just seeing what you want to see and not what's there.

Moz is town because of his tone, his reads, and just how he's been playing. Not a hint of malice or wrongful intentions in his tone and his reads are not only clear to follow as well as logical, they're explained in a very similar fashion in another game I was in with him where he was town. A lot of the questions he's asked don't feel like busywork ones and I doubt scum!Moz would go back and analyze what was essentially a policy lynch wagon just to push Fitz.

LUV

Where do you stand on Empking, and Aliase currently?

Both scum in my opinion. King hasn't really done much since he was ran up earlier and based on my experiences with him, this is his scum game. Though I've never seen his town game so I may be wrong. He possibly could just have a play style that tends to get him scum read quite a bit but I don't have time to meta dive and verify that currently.

I'm feeling Ali for scum because I don't like Ali's voting pattern toward the end of Day 1 as well as his recent deflecting.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I was distinctly getting a "how dare you", plus a hint of smug, "I should've known" from that post lol.

And I'm not. That's one hell of a reach there mister.

New townbloc: Fitz, Uzi, Moz, Snowman, Empking, Hawk, AH
Scumbloc: Mick, Grey, Grendal.

King is not town. Mick is town.

Talk to me a bit more about your read on Grendal. I've seen him play like this as scum but that was way back. My first Newbie I believe where I was really bad at the game.

[SnarkySnowman]

I was distinctly getting a "how dare you", plus a hint of smug, "I should've known" from that post lol.

And I'm not. That's one hell of a reach there mister.

New townbloc: Fitz, Uzi, Moz, Snowman, Empking, Hawk, AH
Scumbloc: Mick, Grey, Grendal.

Pretty sure your scumbloc is all town tbh, also Emp / Moz are not good townreads

[Empking]

LUV: Have we played a completed game together?

[Grendel]

@ Grey

So you thought that Alisae was a mason since D1 correct?

-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/

Oh I get what you are saying then.
Sorry, you confused me.
What makes you think hes conveying anger then?

Okay so

Oh?

Well, that certainly explains the wagon. And it destroys every reason I was townreading you.

All in one fell swoop.

VOTE: Alisae

The red portion looked like Grey had a "how dare you" moment, and the Green looked like a smug, "I should have known".

[Lil Uzi Vert]

LUV: Have we played a completed game together?

Yes.

[Grendel]

Talk to me a bit more about your read on Grendal. I've seen him play like this as scum but that was way back. My first Newbie I believe where I was really bad at the game.

I open most the games I sub into with wall posts. So while there are parallels to the newbie game where I was scum, you'd find all the same parallels in the games I subbed into as town.

Not to mention that I took as long as possible to get caught up vs here where I got caught up in like two days.

@Alisae, LUV, other ppl town reading Mozamis

Why are you town reading Moz?

Here is why: Grey attempts to buddy the "mason", makes no attempt to figure out what he missed, sheeps the "mason", and then 180s the "mason"
Seriously, if Grey was town he would have actually payed attention to when I said I wasn't a mason.
I don't see any town motivation behind his actions.

Is Grey just _shockingly_ less observant as mafia then he is as town? Do you really think that Town!Grey is more likely to pick up on things you're saying then Scum!Grey?

Imo, most players are as observant as one alignment as another. I'm pretty sure you're just seeing what you want to see and not what's there.

Moz is town because of his tone, his reads, and just how he's been playing. Not a hint of malice or wrongful intentions in his tone and his reads are not only clear to follow as well as logical, they're explained in a very similar fashion in another game I was in with him where he was town. A lot of the questions he's asked don't feel like busywork ones and I doubt scum!Moz would go back and analyze what was essentially a policy lynch wagon just to push Fitz.

I'm not sure metaing somebody based off of one game is a good idea for a strong read.

Which questions do you think are _that_ good that Moz posed?

I don't understand why Moz wouldn't push Fritz over a policy wagon. It just seems like something Moz could do as ethier, and I don't understand as to why that's Ai for you. Can you explain?

[Empking]

LUV: Have we played a completed game together?

Yes.

Oh yeah, duh.

[mozamis]

@ Grendal - I'm not sure what you mean by "policy lynch" re: BBT. Dont think he was policy lynched, so yeah?

[Grendel]

Why is everybody misspelling my name?

Its "Grendel", really not that hard.

@Moz That was the conclusion that most those on the wagon decided it was. I can't say I disagree, b/c BBT looked pretty town going down. Just being useless town.

I don't think you answered this yet:

grendel prob town
wrong, but prob town. faking that sort of shit as scum is hard.

Outside of my read for you specifically what do you feel is wrong with my reads?

Are the reads you've been hold apply retroactively?

Ei, same reads as last time.

[Hawk]

While I didn't express it near the end of the lynch I stayed on BBT because even if we hadn't lynched him unless his attitude 180'd and he put forth any type of effort he would have just held us back as town.

I mean what if he was scum. If we let him slide through D1 with such an I give up attitude because he got wagon'd and felt like he wasn't going to be listened to then we set a precedent for town reading giving up underpressure. It's not good for town to be so loose with someone who won't defend themselves or actively hunt scum after being pressured.

[Empking]

then we set a precedent for town reading giving up underpressure. It's not good for town to be so loose with someone who won't defend themselves or actively hunt scum after being pressured.

Who are you responding to?

(Ignore that is just a partial quote; accident)

[Hawk]

Idly commenting in reference to Moz and Grendel talking about BBT being a policy lynch at that point.

[mozamis]

@ gren - you whacked me on your scum list or null scum list, whatever, so obviously i didnt like that.

[havingfitz]

3 day weekends/vla's are grrrrrrrrreat!
Catching up in 3 games not so much.

So we had Ali at L-1 and let the wagon shrink. Ffs.

Hawk...why moz over Ali? Do you still sr Ali?

I think LUV is town. Leaning town on CMM...maybe Empking.
Snowman seems like lynchbait in all the games I've seen him in. So not a fan of his short lived wagon.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Why is everybody misspelling my name?

Its "Grendel", really not that hard.

@Moz That was the conclusion that most those on the wagon decided it was. I can't say I disagree, b/c BBT looked pretty town going down. Just being useless town.

I don't think you answered this yet:

grendel prob town
wrong, but prob town. faking that sort of shit as scum is hard.

Outside of my read for you specifically what do you feel is wrong with my reads?

Are the reads you've been hold apply retroactively?

Ei, same reads as last time.

I know, but it has been somewhat effective for me.

I like the questions in his 73, 228, 391, and 870. I know these are fairly easy or safe questions but his overall tone just makes me feel their genuine and like he's trying to sort them.

I don't think scum!Moz would push someone over that specific policy lynch wagon or a policy lynch in general because I don't think wanting to lynch someone who advocated for one rarely goes through when the collective consensus didn't mine or wanted it as well.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

3 day weekends/vla's are grrrrrrrrreat!
Catching up in 3 games not so much.

So we had Ali at L-1 and let the wagon shrink. Ffs.

Hawk...why moz over Ali? Do you still sr Ali?

I think LUV is town. Leaning town on CMM...maybe Empking.
Snowman seems like lynchbait in all the games I've seen him in. So not a fan of his short lived wagon.

What are your thoughts on Grey again?

[ConManMick]

Fitz my man you gotta change wagons

[havingfitz]

What are your thoughts on Grey again?

Haven't been scum reading him. If I had to pick I'd guess he was town. Not a fan him following around Ali today despite maaaybe suspecting that slot. Not interested in voting him any time soon.