Mystic Mafia [Endgame]

[Kagami]

Kagami, are you reading my posts?

I admit to skimming substantially, especially this last weekend.

Let's go over how your ability works again.

Is it a day action, or a twilight action? Did you attempt to target zito, or just assume that he was lynched and thus untargetable? Why is your N2 result on presumably Drealz not valuable to share?

[Desperado]

That only seems that way because you're not thinking things through, Desp, and I'm doing my best to make things clear, while you're poo-pooing me for reasons that I don't understand. Your beliefs simply don't make sense and you're not helping me help you get to the bottom of them.

bullshit you're trying your best to make things clear

this all popped off friday night and you've barely been here

[Desperado]

Staeg is also just scum by play and by PoE. Yes, his flavor is directly opposed to mine as well, which in the absence of fake-claims and anything else, would probably be good enough. But reducing my argument to that is disingenuous and you know it, desp.

I do not agree with whatever PoE you're using here, obviously, and Staeg wasn't townie or scummy by play, he's just...been there.

[Desperado]

I admit to skimming substantially, especially this last weekend.

you admit to skimming basically the most important 3 day period of the entire game

ya ok

good job great effort

[Desperado]

That only seems that way because you're not thinking things through, Desp, and I'm doing my best to make things clear, while you're poo-pooing me for reasons that I don't understand. Your beliefs simply don't make sense and you're not helping me help you get to the bottom of them.

Kagami, are you reading my posts?

I admit to skimming substantially, especially this last weekend.

Let's go over how your ability works again.

Is it a day action, or a twilight action? Did you attempt to target zito, or just assume that he was lynched and thus untargetable? Why is your N2 result on presumably Drealz not valuable to share?

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[Kagami]

I've barely been here because we've been lynching on monday/tuesday and opening the thread on thursday/friday.

I simply can't post much on weekends.

[Papa Zito]

STAEG DIES TODAY THOUGH NO QUESTIONS ASKED. WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO BREAK THIS GAME OPEN

...

@Mollie do you trust this y/n?

[Desperado]

and that's fine

but you can't have your cake and eat it too

[Papa Zito]

I've barely been here because we've been lynching on monday/tuesday and opening the thread on thursday/friday.

I simply can't post much on weekends.

That's a huge scumtell this game didn't you know?

[Desperado]

i still cant tell if katsuki was using we as in camnsuki or we as in the town

[Kagami]

and that's fine

but you can't have your cake and eat it too

I'm not saying I have an encyclopedic understanding of everything that's been posted, but I know that you're wrong here, and you're simply not giving me a chance for reasons that, as far as I can tell, are that my orb piece went missing.

You're giving staeg this incredible benefit of the doubt because of this claim, and I don't understand why. You're attacking me and ignoring points against me that you know are ridiculous.

If you want to tell me more about why Staeg is town, I'd be happy to talk to you about it. That his claim is too scummy to be scum (and it really isn't scummy at all if it were presented from a town perspective) is simply not a very good reason.

[Desperado]

see that's the thing

i was the only one to point out the protown utility of his role when everyone was saying it's just a scum claim

and i'm not asking you to have an encyclopedic knowledge of what's occurred since friday, but I am asking you not to lie and see you've done your best to clear all this shit up when you've done nothing of the sort

[Kagami]

I AM trying and I WAS trying in my short period of time posting.

I can tell you why I'm town. I am telling you why staeg is scum. I can't say where my orb went, only that I don't have it and attempted to pass it to you. I have theories about that, but every time I post a hypothetical, I've gotten jumped on.

What haven't I cleared up that you want cleared up?

[Desperado]

i am not going to jump on your for posting a hypothetical

[Kagami]

Mollie will, you're going to love our PT post-game.

[Desperado]

mollie will respond in our PT first i'm sure

let's hear it

[Kagami]

Ideas already discussed this a bit in my current PT:

Can't be conventional redirection, because I neighborized as intended. Could be orb-only redirection, but that seems unlikely.

Busdriver only makes sense if the scumteam are idiots. They'd have to have targeted with the NK despite also busdriving you.

We generally agree that Desp's belief that only one scum redirection power is plausible is misguidied.

Direct theft is possible, but doesn't make a lot of sense. They'd have to have targeted me instead of Desperado, and only two other players knew that I had a piece (though it's vaguely possible it was inferred), whom I both think are town. They'd have had to believed that the kill would go through, which seems kind of silly if they targeted desp the prior night. Fate confirms in PT that pretty much any night action would be applied prior to orb giving.

Zito presented a role that seems pretty possible, which is an interception based role. Someone targets Desp and intercepts all orbs gifted to him.

[Kagami]

mollie will respond in our PT first i'm sure

let's hear it

Ok, that probably explains everything then.

[Desperado]

OK, and who has these roles?

Unless you think Staeg has what he's claimed + an orb steal?

PEdit: what does that mean

[Kagami]

Don't know, but word on the street is that zito didn't go anywhere N2, so not him at least.

I don't know what the structure of scum roles really is, but given that infinity had two powers, staeg seems possible.

[Kagami]

Could be drealz if drealz is scum, but I don't think his play is scummy at all.

[Kagami]

So Desp, given Staeg's play since N2, what result would you guess he'd gotten on Drealz N2?

[Staeg]

Kagami, are you reading my posts?

I admit to skimming substantially, especially this last weekend.

Let's go over how your ability works again.

Is it a day action, or a twilight action? Did you attempt to target zito, or just assume that he was lynched and thus untargetable? Why is your N2 result on presumably Drealz not valuable to share?

A retargetable day action that resolves at day-end, so it could be called twilight (but it's still weird). I did not attempt to target zito at any point. The result isn't valuable because it doesn't provide any deep insight into Drealz's alignment.
My questions to you are:
How has your read on mollie progressed and, more specifically, when did she flip to a scumread?
Are you in the least interested in reading her posts about the private communication between you two and and addressing the worrying number of question marks that have spawned?


:mild concern at Zito's extended not-really-doing-anything even more actively than me:

[Papa Zito]

Shrug. I attempt to engage people and I don't get much back except "hey we gotta lynch him soon". So mild concern all you want there cowboy.

[Kagami]

I had mollie as town D1 and neighborized her because she claimed she needed a PT and I assumed I was the only neighborizor.

Sometime in D2 I got sick of the rubbish I was having to deal with, and then she magically flipped from "drealz is obvscum" to "let's help my best buddy desperado on infinity after kagami has already effectively put him to L-1 and he's now obviously going to be lynched," which is when it was full-on scumread.

I've backed off that mostly because it actually seems pretty plausible that Mollie is town and has misread or misinterpreted pretty much everything I've posted, and it would be a little too clever to both give Desp her orb piece and attempt to kill him on the same night.