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Post Post #2000 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:25 pm

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In post 1870, Heartless wrote: mastin planted her vote on pine and didn't move
Well, technically speaking, I moved around a bit before going to Pine. I voted SirCakez, may have voted someone else, don't remember, but my final Pine vote was my second, third, or maybe even fourth vote. Would have to go and check to see which, but it wasn't an instavote the moment I entered the game.

Just...a vote, almost immediately after I entered the game. :P
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Post Post #2001 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:26 pm

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guess who is treating me like town but calling me scum? that's right. Titus.
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Post Post #2002 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:27 pm

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pine vote was your second vote and it came 10 minutes after voting Cakez.
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Post Post #2003 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:31 pm

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In post 1871, Nero Cain wrote:Given that Pine's role basically confirmed him as scum it would make plenty of sense as a bus.
Question.
What kind of scum power are you expecting in this game?
Godfather-Strongman-Ninja?
Godfather-Strongman-Rolecop?
Godfather-Strongman-Roleblocker?
Godfather-Ninja-Rolecop?
Godfather-Ninja-Roleblocker?
Strongman-Ninja-Rolecop?
Strongman-Ninja-Roleblocker?
Ninja-Rolecop-Roleblocker?

Because that's the ballpark we're talking about power-wise for Pine to be worth bussing with a role that strong.
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Post Post #2004 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:33 pm

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Anyways I'm going back to binge watching stuff on Hulu. Wake me up when you guys start being useful and lynch Titus scum
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Post Post #2005 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:40 pm

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In post 2003, mastina wrote:What kind of scum power are you expecting in this game?
Does it matter?

Like did you really think that everyone would just sheep you d1 when you weren't giving any reasoning? Its low risk-high reward. My whole point is that as soon as he used his power he'd be lynched so it makes a ton of fucking sense that scum would push him to salvage town cred off of his eventual lynch. So no, the scum power/lack of power doesn't matter. Your rhetoric may work on others but not me missy.
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Post Post #2006 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:45 pm

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Pine would only make sense as a bus if scum are powerful!
, she yells. Which ignores the whole point that Pine would get a major assload of heat as soon as he joined the RK without getting invited. B/c why the fuck would
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Post Post #2007 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:46 pm

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In post 1901, BBmolla wrote:K-2SO, JOAT
1- shot Deflect, 1-shot Redirect, 1-shot Rolestop
Okay.
Fuck the vanillaized claim.
VOTE: BBMolla.
BBMolla was a scumread of mine D1, and this is a scum role full-stop.

Molla's claim to be vanillaized is almost assuredly a gambit.
And, yes. That sort of wifom claim is something
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It's his modus operandi, even. He SPECIALIZES, absolutely SPECIALIZES. More than any fucking player in the game. SPECIALIZES in wifom gambits. And it was his role they gambited on.

Now, not sure whether they actually used a vanillaize shot on Molla. Could work either way. Lying allows Molla to get away with using these abilities and also has the side-effect of making people never want to target Molla. (They assume, "Oh, Molla was vanillaized, he must be town and thus not worthy of being looked at".) Using it truthfully allows for stronger wifom and the possibility that if Molla was, say, watched, then nobody would call him out on the bullshit.

Both have the ups and the downs.
But this claim?

This was a scum role. Through-and-through. There's ZERO town use in those abilities, outside of specific situations.
The scum use of those abilities is obvious:
Redirection, need not be said. Basically one of the strongest possible scum abilities and was blacklisted from Normals for damn good reason.
Deflection, much the same: protects a scumbuddy from harm.
And rolestop?

We just learned that the Rogue Crew had a vig kill.
We also know that TheThinker was a 2x-vig.
What do you think that rolestop shot was meant to be used for?

It's a scum role. Simple as that.
Molla's play is scum (I'll show that in a bit), Molla's claim is scum, he's just scum.

Trust me on this.
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Post Post #2008 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:47 pm

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Post Post #2009 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:48 pm

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In post 2008, Antihero wrote:/low groan
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Post Post #2010 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:48 pm

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In post 1903, BBmolla wrote:Why claim Vanillaized and then defend the shit out of Pine, that seems ineffective if the goal is to make myself seem town on a Pine flip
Because you weren't planning on Pine being lynched.

A claim of being vanillaized, without Pine flipping, would still be seen as town because vanillaizer is not a town role so you can claim to be vanillaized and get free, cheap, easy towncred for it because nobody would stop to think, "huh, maybe this isn't real!".

In fact, half the game didn't even want you to claim your abilities.
That, alone, is proof enough of the weight behind claiming to be vanillaized.

Molla. is. scum.
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Post Post #2011 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:51 pm

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I could dig a Molla/Mastin/Titus team.
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Post Post #2012 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:55 pm

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In post 1947, TheWayItEnds wrote:
In post 1902, BBmolla wrote:VOTE: AJ
OR TWIE if we wanna go that route
lol
If you feel like loling at BBMolla, it's because he's scum.

When he's town, he's not someone you lol at.
But when he's scum, he hides behind saying a lot of things which make people go lol.

This is his scumgame, through and through.

His one saving grace was the vanillaized claim, and even that is sketchy-as-fuck.
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Post Post #2013 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:57 pm

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In post 2010, mastina wrote:In fact, half the game didn't even want you to claim your abilities.
is this a fact or an alternative fact?
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Post Post #2014 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:59 pm

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the only one i recall opposing bb claiming was titus
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Post Post #2015 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:59 pm

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In post 2007, mastina wrote:It's a scum role.
If it's such an obvious scum role, WHY THE FUCK would molla claim it AFTER being vanillaized?

More WIFOM I presume?

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Post Post #2016 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:00 pm

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ok... nitpicking aside.... the theory stretches plausibility
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Post Post #2017 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:02 pm

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drunken piper, did pine target bbmolla?

let's just settle it
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Post Post #2018 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:02 pm

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In post 1948, Aj The Epic wrote:I want to discuss WHAT made her realize Pine was scum from that.
Okay, I'll be honest.

Games kinda blend together here, so I'm not sure if I explained this in this game.

I know I've said it elsewhere, but in this game, have I mentioned yet how Pine was my first rival, before even AngryPidgeon? (AP actually went on to replace Pine right at the time Pine siteflaked the first time. As in, literally my first game with AP was my last game with Pine pre-flake. Which by the way, was the game where I nailed his slot as scum, and even his entire fucking scumteam, correctly protected the scum nightkill, correctly pointed out AP's hider crumbs and who he hid behind and why he hid behind scum, and STILL got mislynched in fucking mylo anyway because the idiotic town wouldn't listen to me even though I was 100% absolutely entirely correct every step of the way. /bitter.)

While Pine would like to tell you how he initially was someone I couldn't read worth a damn, the thing is: I got better. Duck Tales. The above game, a mini normal modded by MattP. Various others, would have to search them out. I got better at reading Pine correctly. Pine is just someone I
know
. I know him. I can read him. He still insists, thanks to our early encounters, that I can't. But I understand him. I know him when he's town. I know him when he's scum. For LQ's mini normal, I took ONE look at his posting, his absolute first post on D2, and went, "Yep. Pine's scum this game", and sure enough, there he was as scum that game.

Pine can't hide from me. I can, to borrow a term from someone else, "soul-read" Pine.

You ask me how I could read Pine?

I ask you: how could I NOT fucking read Pine?
It'd have been an utter, abysmal FAILURE on my part to have not correctly scumread him.
So damn straight I knew he was scum.
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Post Post #2019 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:04 pm

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Why did nacho die after implying he'd defend molla?

Yet more wine?

I think scum would be passed out on the floor by this point

Mastin, I think you need a good shaving with Occam's razor.
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Post Post #2020 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:04 pm

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In post 2015, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 2007, mastina wrote:It's a scum role.
If it's such an obvious scum role, WHY THE FUCK would molla claim it AFTER being vanillaized?

More WIFOM I presume?

ffs
Like why do you keep assuming that Molla has to be telling the truth?
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Post Post #2021 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:06 pm

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In post 1958, Nero Cain wrote:ignore this game more Mastin.
I'll have you know that at the timestamp of your post, I was logged into mastin2.

I had not logged into mastina, this account, the account I am playing this game on, and also the game that I receive PMs from, since yesterday, when I was modding. And while I could be mistaken, I BELIEVE the last time I logged into mastina yesterday was in fact for modding purposes! I was busy modding yesterday, and I didn't check this account until just now.

So no. Not ignoring.

Preoccupied.

And you know JUST as well as I do that I cannot discuss the details beyond that so fuck off.

Speaking of which, though. I said this game wasn't my top priority. I mean it. Give me a little over a week. (About 8 days, to be more precise.) THEN this game will be my top priority game-wise. (Aside from modding, that is.) I'll be playing during that time, yes. But not at full, 100% capacity because I'm a little bit busy, swamped even, elsewhere. And I will say no more on the subject.

And neither should you.
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Post Post #2022 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:08 pm

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In post 1959, Aj The Epic wrote:Then you also have players like Mastina/Titus who'd just as soon let their buddies die and solo carry than stick their neck out and save them.
:lol:

This couldn't be further from the truth.

And it's not just me.

Titus is the anti-bussing queen even more than I am.
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Post Post #2023 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:16 pm

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TBF, Titus is completely aware of her own meta (and IMO actively tries to play to meta regardless of alignment) and has abused her anti-bussing meta to bus her scum buddy in Street Fighters.

Talk to me about Titus, Mastin?
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Post Post #2024 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:17 pm

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In post 2005, Nero Cain wrote:Like did you really think that everyone would just sheep you d1 when you weren't giving any reasoning?
Yeah.
Did you?

Because you've not once explained your scumread on me, so.

You're really the pot calling the kettle black here.
My whole point is that as soon as he used his power he'd be lynched
...Assuming he got caught using it, which last I checked, scum try not to do.
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