Mystic Mafia [Endgame]

[pirate mollie]

You guys are forgetting that kagami gave the piece I gave her to nacho; there wouldn't be a reason to do that and then have a teammate shoot him without him having claimed the piece

then can you explain the rest of her play? and nacho only got a fragment, not the whole thing. and kagami is not wondering why.

in our pt she said during the beginning that she thought that you gave her the orb to get on her good side. that is where our conflict started. i felt like that is why she gave the fragment

to me.

[pirate mollie]

We are lynching RedCoyote today, period. Dreal, you are seriously high as a fucking kite if you think he's even remotely towny.

At this point I would bank the game on the top 4 being town.

I'm pretty sure if we just lynch RC and then Staeg the game will end.

i am onboard with the rc lynch. and I remember wondering about rc and staeg on d1 and how they both popped in at the same time softly supporting each other but voting different pple. I might have even said something about it.

eta: kk

[pirate mollie]

do you guys want me to vote and then you 2?

[pirate mollie]

kk

VOTE: red coyote

[pirate mollie]

can I get some pity for not being in a neighborhood and not being thrilled by the game?

ohwait, I don't want it, that's just how it goes sometimes

*sucks it up*

[pirate mollie]

You guys are forgetting that kagami gave the piece I gave her to nacho; there wouldn't be a reason to do that and then have a teammate shoot him without him having claimed the piece

then can you explain the rest of her play? and nacho only got a fragment, not the whole thing. and kagami is not wondering why.

Wait, now I'm confused. You mentioned this above too. I thought there were 4 orbs, one for each element/compass direction. Like there's a western fire orb and a northern water orb or whatever. Is it actually like, there's a fire orb with N-E-S-W pieces?

this is where i got that nacho received a partial piece of the orb. nacho and desp had a pt.

I don't know why the fire was fragmented, it wld be wonderful if kagami answered this or mebbe desp cld elaborate

[pirate mollie]

5:07 Nacho tells me he has half an orb, fire and water fragments combined with the power of DAO.

He had water first, then got fire (or he thinks it's fire), and he told me he had the same PR

8:06 "now RC has half on orb. Kill him."

8:08 Nacho says if he was town RC would have asked where Nacho's misread comes from because RC knows that Nacho can read him.

whoops here it is

[pirate mollie]

dreamz who did you block last night

[pirate mollie]

uh

Why would you block Desp?

also

Why would you come out voting me if you blocked Desp and there was no kill?

okay so I was starting to get paranoid about you during the night round and now I realize that I don't have to. yaye!

[pirate mollie]

I was going to like play coy and shit and see what ppl said about whatever but, whatever

yep

figured 1.) if he's scum he's likely to make a kill to try and collect another piece since is collecting pieces or 2.) if he's town I don't care what he wants because what I think is best is to keep the pieces separate until more scum are dead, it makes it too easy for them if they're gathered and while I know he could pass and spread them out as town, that is not what he was doing so, yep

I think he could be scum too

PZ - I voted you because I think you are scum and think you make sense to lynch today

there are many reasons for no NK I am not automatically assuming my block is why even though it is a possbility of course

this sounds like horseshit to me

[pirate mollie]

mollie can you get me into the cool kids club plz

wait thought you were supposed to get me in

I don't think that I can put up with this for another day. I have seen cheesecloth that has less holes than his story.

I wanna hear from desp

[pirate mollie]

so this is what we are looking at:

d1

dunn receives the fire orb
kagami receives the earth orb
zito is lynhched but the lynch did not go through cos he had a talisman

n1

dunn neighbourizes mollie
kagami gives the earth orb to mollie
dunn gives the fire orb to kagami
dreamz blocks nacho and nacho's post restriction changes
sad is nked

d2

infinity is lynched
dunn receives the air orb
kagami neighbourizes mollie

n2

mollie gives the earth orb to desp
kagami gives the fire orb to nacho but nacho only receives a piece of it.
nacho had another piece but I don't remember which 1 he had, I am guessing that it is water since that is the 1 that has come up missing.
dreamz blocked nacho again, nacho's pr changes.

d3

no1 dies
nacho and desp wind up with a hood
rc vigs nacho
rc receives 2 partial orb pieces and gets lynched
desp hammers, thereby receiving the partial water and fire orbs

n3

no1 dies

I wld like some answers plz to fill in the holes.
dunn I really need a piece of info from you.

I feel we need to out any info town has at this point cos I think it might help explain the lack of nks. pretty sure I can likely account for at least 1 of them. no I am not gonna explain rn, I will when I am ready.

[pirate mollie]

Mollie pls.

wat

[pirate mollie]

so you want everyone's information but are not willing to share your own until you get every last piece, is that about right, PM?

gee, that seems like what scum would want to do

you cannot read the above post cos dreamz is on your lame self-censorship list for the time being.

[pirate mollie]

be more cutesy, get TR harder

tbf, having jeroma on ignore was almost a mod requirement. do I know you?

[pirate mollie]

Mollie I apparently am not reading your posts because I can't find the answers to any of these.

Mollie, yes or no: were the votes on dreal yesterday based on "playstyle issues"?

there at least 3 ways in which dunn cld have fucked town over and he didn't do any of them.

?

if you have a pt and are listening to what kagami is saying, post game will be sweet when I get to post all of the shade she has thrown at you and how 2 faced her play has been. unless she is just trolling in a mean spirited way. I just don't think that kagami is mean spirited which is why I am so confused about her.

To what extent has kagami lied/blatantly skewed your private conversation?

Also Nacho's PR did not change n2

1. I said I thought that they were based on a different playstyle and said this, repeatedly. its what I thought at the time.
2. I already answered this. not in 1 post but I pointed out when they came up. its in my iso.
3. I already answered this in post 2059

this is what I mean about you not reading my posts.

now how does me pointing out that I answered these questions help with furthering your understanding of the gamestate rn?

[pirate mollie]

guys guys guys

he is just trolling us, working himself up to an epic meltdown. just watch it will be funny

[pirate mollie]

then how did desp not get the air piece

[pirate mollie]

eta: not saying that you are lying kagami I am just trying to figure it out

[pirate mollie]

you don't account for this being possible?

wow

so you know about busdrivers but you are somehow confused as to how a blocker works? are you a scum jailkeeper?

[pirate mollie]

what was your full role claim again dreamz?

[pirate mollie]

I come from a different HS, molly

pretty familiar with bus-driver because it was in a game I was in and had been talked about because of how it was used in a specific game prior to my player

I was scum roleblocker once (SMURFIA - *nodstonacho*), and seriously thought it was like a jailkeeper+, didn't realize how it was until this game - yep!

I don't want to clog up the game with irrelevant stuff but the only way you can know how our ignore list read is if you had an account on there and added some1 to it. you cld have just been on that site but had a different hs. I know all of the mafia players cos I was a game mod for 3 years.

the only way that your role wld make sense as to how desp cld not perform night actions

nor receive any

is if he was jailkept. I doubt another redirector type of role exists in this game.

[pirate mollie]

is that way you being so cold, molly?

you think I'm some dick from a previous encounter?

I'm not

I'm a dick from an entirely new encounter

but, really, I'm not wholly a dick, I'm a really good and nice guy and a lot of fun to play with a lot of times

UNLESS YOU PISS ME THE FUCK OFF

I don't think anybody was a dick on tr except jeroma whom I had on my ignore list for 2 years and not even him did I ever hate he just drove me bananas and got tired of moving his bad porn to the charred remains. it wasn't even good porn it was from the 70s I mean if you are gonna get drunk and post pron can you at least make it good porn? "get tr harder" is a response to my posting my response to you about my "lame self-censorship list" comes directly from tr, talk rational.

anyhoo all of that is irrelevant.

the reason as to why I am cold to you now is cos I helped dunn help you on d1, d2 I still thought you were town but having doubts, d3 you turned into a fullblown scumread but every1 had you as town and today you seem confused as to what a jk does cos it is the only explanation for desp to having unable to do his night action and him not receiving anything from kagami. unless there is some role that lets you steal orb pieces or something.

I wld like a full claim plz.

[pirate mollie]

how does it serve town to keep the orb pieces separate exactly

[pirate mollie]

I am soooooo good with a dreamz lynch but I wanna wait to hear from dunn and every1 else.

[pirate mollie]

because if 1 person has 2, 3 of them and gets killed by scum scum

you mean like nk some1 like they have been doing that past 2 nights.

I am not particularly worried

[pirate mollie]

also since you believe in flavour, dreamz, you shld probably go ahead and flavour claim since you have already said what your night actions were.

@ desp, zito, and every1 else - I think it is between staeg and nahdia if dreamz flips scum. leaning heavily on nahdia.

[pirate mollie]

He refuses to claim his flavor Mollie because he's not at L-1. No that doesn't make any sense but that's what he said.

I don't wanna do associations until I see flips and wagons and etc.

yeah I understand, I know you tend err on the side off caution. just getting my thoughts out there.

nahdia and staeg are the only 2 that seem to be floating along with no traceable night actions. those 2 I am actually more than a little worried about regardless of what dreamz flips

[pirate mollie]

did fate finally log in and give you your fakeclaim

[pirate mollie]

um, ya

they are

???

if this is directed at me I was talking to dreamz when I said that

[pirate mollie]

& yes mollie, my demanding your top townread on d1 now makes sense, hmm? really too bad he had to go and die.

it does <3

[pirate mollie]

nacho couldn't pass his orb N1 or N2 (only just skimmed quickly, and gone again for the night)

Oh yeah! So maybe he tried.

HARD CLEAR KAGAMI AND MOLLIE! ALSO DUNN!
IF we think despo and dreal are town, which we do...

That leaves 2 scum in : {Staeg, Nahdia, Papa Zito}

I can clear nahdia. I will fight you for her.

also I am adding you to the list of pple who don't read my posts.

there is a scenario where I can see dreamz as town buuuuuuut.

spyrella and nacho both had zito as town and that goes a long way for me. buuuuut zito is being awfully agreeable with me which makes me paranoid.

there are a lot things that don't add up with dreamz

also I think I mentioned this somewhere about the possibility of scum!staeg meeeeeeeebbe dreamz town and zito as a possible sk. or mebbe I only thought that.

[pirate mollie]

will some1 plz explain to me how is dreamz town? if some1 tells me by play I am going to throw eels at them.

there are too many things not adding up there

eta: can you plz just trust me about nahdia? plz>

[pirate mollie]

Right now? Yes. Through Endgame? No.

VOTE: PAPA ZITO

staeg wld a better lynch first cos we know that zito has some ability that kept him from getting lynched on d1 so that makes it unlikely for him to be an orb stealer. if staeg flips orb stealer well, then i guess you cld look at zito. but if staeg flips anything else we know that most likely 1 of dreamz or kagami are lying. <----- this is where I am leaning but every1 thinks kagami is town so

I think scum having an orb stealer and 1 shot bp/unlynchable is a bit hard to swallow.

again, why is dreamz town?

[pirate mollie]

and ftr I wld lynch dreamz over kagami in a heartbeat, she is a townish lean I think. I loved her for town by the end of yesterday but that air orb went somewhere but no1 is coming forward and saying they have it so it is most likely in scum's hands.

[pirate mollie]

I could reconsider dreamerz, it's just a read. nothing hard.

okay. something happened to that orb tho and centers around desp/dreamz/kagami. set up wise, zito doesn't look like grp scum.

[pirate mollie]

fine. I would support lynching in {Zito, Staeg, Dreamz}, then.

I have seen all town lynches and all scum lynches. I don't you can really with that all of the time. metalsonic at 1 point had

his entire team and only his team

in a game. town got lynched instead lol, it was arter muffina and I died tho

I think the hoods add more to the game than we think it does especially if they are all town.

I don't support lynching drealmerz

why

and before you say play just know that I have an eel with your name on it

[pirate mollie]

The misunderstanding of his role struck me as really towny. I just don't think he's scum, and is rather just a crazyed lunatic townie by play

I don't buy it. sorry.

pple mess up their fake claims all of the time, in my first scum game on here I said I tracked malakittens and not 15 minutes later I changed it to machurian.

there was also the time that I had claimed a fruit vendor and then later changed it to a self fruit vendor and ran around screaming "WHO GOT MY FRUIT". this is of course after I had a guilty on me and do you know there were at least 5 pple saying that I was town cos my play didn't make sense so the day vig shot me. I had fun in that game.

there are just soooooooo many things that do not make sense with him. a lot of the confusion in this game has to do with him, his narrative and his night actions that don't add up. I will lynch dreamz before zito. I already said that have paranoia niggles about zito but there are just too many things not meshing with dreamz.

anyhoo I think a staeg lynch today makes the most sense.

[pirate mollie]

but trying to "catch" someone with it? that's not a scum play.

I did. when I messed uo with my tracker role I knew what the role was and I still tried to "catch" some1 with it.

I think scum want the orbs. I think they might want it bad. I say lynch staeg and see what he flips. if he is not an orb stealer than that doesn't make sense for zito to be an unlynchable orb stealer. or something.

I wld hate that 1 of the reasons that spyrella ragequit is cos he hard townread zito if zito were scum. and don't forget about nacho he townread zito too. the only way that I cld really see dreamz as crazy town is if zito is an sk. cos I think that an unlynchable/bp and a scum orb stealer is waaaaaaaay too much power for scum to have, but that is just me.

and we never got answers to the fragments, I thought nacho said he only had pieces of the 2 orbs. mebbe he meant fragments were the orbs themselves.

[pirate mollie]

I was rereading you last night... and I got real confused.
my impression is that there is only 1 orb. split into 4 fragments. nothing else.
I don't think there is a fire ORB... just a fire FRAGMENT. Ditto for all other elements and directions. But people have been calling a fragment an "orb" cuz laziness.
what do you think? some of your posts tell me you think there are more than one actual orbs. y/n?

yeah, nacho had mentioned he received fragments and I thought they were pieces of the orbs. I think I said that in a post already. the time manipulator kinda still bugs me tho.

I know some stuff that is going on behind the scenes, I mean a good bit. but it is not my place to out other pple's roles, I think pple shld do that on their unless there is some discrepancy. plus I doubt I know everything and I am just gonna other pple sort those things out.

I am thinking about outing my own role tho. I will have to sleep on it.

[pirate mollie]

okay I realized 2338 was pretty incoherent. sorry, I was playing hearthstone at the same time and I messed up in hearthstone too, lol

1. ok fine.
2. Then I'm a retard and can't find them.
3. You outlined everything you find weird about Kagami mostly from happenings in your QT, but I wanted to know how you feel about kagami's representation of your private conversation

in-thread

. Or the fact that Kagami hasn't deigned to respond to any of your confusion.

2. they are there.
3. if that is what you were asking then that seems like a different question then what you asked at first, but meh that might be me being pedantic. I said exactly how I felt about kagami's representation at the beginning of d3. I felt it was very skewed and there was a lot that she left out. and I know kagami has not responded to anything I said but no1 but me seems to care. I have said this. she is a townread for every1 else but not me and I am afraid that I am tunneling on her so I wind up leaving her alone. personally, I think occam's razor points to the very simple possibility that she simply didn't GIVE desp the orb. it wld explain dreamz. there is even an explanation for the no kills out there somewhere I think. to me this points to scum!kagami but every1 else seems to think i am wrong.

Thanks for the answers but they don't
I can't make heads or tails of either you or Kagami because I only get your side of the tale, which paints Kagami in a really bad light, despite you not having Kagami as a real scumread.
I am still leaning town on dreal but damn every page that has one of his posts just saps away my willpower to keep reading.
I don't have the slightest clue about Nahdia's or cupcake's alignment - Nahdia would have been a good pick for scum before today, but apparently lolnope, while cupcake has become a universal townread... somehow.

1. i explained why I am treating her as town. I am afraid I am stuck in confbias.
2. agreed on dreamz
3. nah, i think nahdia is town. I have 3 pretty unshakeable townreads, dunn/nahdia/desp. I reread nahdia's iso and I moved her to town. I get that the move was startling but I am sticking with my read and I am gonna defend her. plus she likes zero 7 so that makes her the kewlest person in this thread.
4. yeah most pple have camn as town. it is not a solid read for me but she is doing some work even tho I have mixed feelings about it. but it is nothing that I can explain at all or put my finger on so I am letting it go.

I think the biggest thing is that I wld hate to see kagami or camn as scum. if they are then camn had a hand in spyrella's ragequit and after spending time in a pt with kagami and no1 listening to me and nacho had her as his rock I was definitely considering the same. gaslighting and making pple feel bad is scumplay that I wld find very hard to see coming from either of them and it wld make me think that I didn't know a thing about them as players at all.

the biggest thing

I don't even know why nearly everyone was so ok with publicly assembling the orb in desp's hands.
So I guess I'm just not reading the thread.
I have my fakeclaim lubed up and ready to go whenever you folk feel like hearing it. It's not a spectacular one though
Now I'll make some more scumscuses to do something (like, idk, reading the entirety of a mollie-kagami double iso) tonight or tomorrow before I inevitably get lynched.

1. I think things wld have been okay if desp wld have received the orb that kagami says she gave him. <----- that is where things get funky and I am so uncertain that I am relying heavily on my townreads to sort things out.
2. I can't wait to hear your fakeclaim!

I hope I addressed everything that you wanted me to address.

[pirate mollie]

@Mollie an SK doesn't make sense given lack of NKs. However I have been chewing on the possibility that there's a 3rd party role who wants to gather the orbs. A vote stealer role in that case would make a ton of sense.

Also I'm fine believing you about Nahdia for now.

yeah I took in account the no nks but strategically it wld be a good move to hold off on a nk until both scum were lynched. it wld give a valid reason to scumhunt like crazy and then once the 2 were lynched start making nks so that the sk cld draw fake associations from their isos. its good play. ballsy as hell and there are not many pple who cld pull it off. but good. I wld totally do it but I am too blood thirty and wld nk pple ludicrously for imagined slights over the years. I wld make it fun cos I love playing indies.

an indie vote stealer? yeah mebbe. but I am not too worried about it yet.

[pirate mollie]

eta: also why have they not stolen anything until now? that does not fully explain the missing orb.

[pirate mollie]

Mollie if your Nahdia read isn't role shenanigans then can you explain it to me because I don't share it in the least.

like my read on dunn, it is set in stone cos if she was scum then she has made things super damn hard for herself. I just don't think either of the 2 are dumb nor are the super thrill seeker type to create challenges for themselves in a way that wld stack the game against them.

I swear to

god

, the more I think about it the more I find it super weird that we being in a position to make up fantasy theories in order for kagami to be town instead of her simply being scum and not giving the orb to desp. cos if scum had a orb stealer then why did they wait until now.

[pirate mollie]

Mollie, can you go over how you got the postscript in 1812 from what could only have been 49-51 in our PT?

I already explained this to some1 I think.

when I said that entirely comfortable with dunn's hammer and in our pt you said that I knew that dunn wld do that. you ignored the pt all night only to make a final post of you asking if "you guys nked me" which I took to mean meant dunn and I.

[pirate mollie]

eta: also why have they not stolen anything until now? that does not fully explain the missing orb.

Well now we're going off the speculatory deep end but in theory a "thief" would probably have to target someone receiving an orb to catch it in transit. Last night it looks like the target was obvious; previous nights I'd hazard were less so.

Or it could work that the thief acts before the transfer and targeted Kagami.

Or maybe Desperado did receive it but the thief targeted him and took the last one received.

I dunno, there's a lot of ways it could work.

I cld see that. that is probably a plausible possibility and better than anything else that I have heard.

You are right about one thing, Occam's Razor suggests that Kagami never sent the orb to begin with. There's no town reason for that (lack of) action so that would certainly point to Kagami scum. However that doesn't explain why Kagami passed orb(s) before hand - why not just hang onto them if she's scum and the scum want to collect orbs? Infinity had one as well and I don't think anyone passed it to him, which means for Kagami to be scum they'd have started with TWO of them and yet they let Infinity hold one to one of them and Kagami pass on another. It doesn't make much sense. This is where I start scratching my head and looking at alternative explanations. Bear in mind I can't see your QT so I have no idea what's being said there, only that you don't like it.

kagami defo passed 1 orb I know. she thought that dunn was scum who was trying to get in her good graces so she makes a compelling case of why she is a scum suspect. she passed 1 in order to get to look good and protown and with the second 1 held it cos she didn't want them assembled.

I don't know. that is why i am putting my thoughts out there and like hearing from pple on things that I have not thought of cos it helps to narrow down the options.

[pirate mollie]

That makes sense only in the craziest way that seems vaguely plausible.

I said "you knew dunn would hammer" because anyone reading the game knew that dunn would hammer, yet you claimed to have been oblivious to that. I was not at all unhappy with the hammer, and completely saw it coming. "You guys" did not include Dunn, who I had decided at that point was probably town. It was you who claimed to be unhappy with the hammer, so I don't get why you'd say it was I who said that in 1812.

I never said that I was "oblivious" I thought his vote was already on rc. I said I was uncomfortable with it but I never said that it changed my read.

what did you mean by asking if "we" nked you? who is "we" and you know part of my role so why the fuck do you think I cld possibly be scum? do you think i am lying about role? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[pirate mollie]

I swear to god, the more I think about it the more I find it super weird that we being in a position to make up fantasy theories in order for kagami to be town instead of her simply being scum and not giving the orb to desp. cos if scum had a orb stealer then why did they wait until now.

I feel really good about saying Kagami is town, though, so I suspect there were shenanigans. But that doesn't necessarily matter: I think we can lynch staeg regardless of shenanigans and call it a good lynch

I disagree. I mean we will likely lynch staeg anyways and if he flips town then tomorrow kagami will push for a zito lynch. who has done way more gamesolving than kagami has.

I am not gonna fight the staeg lynch. I have already said that I think he asks questions that do not seem to go anywhere.

I am trying to tell you kagami's play is sketch and you are not listening to me. your stubborness reminds me a lot of how you were in gunslinger and I wanted to lynch scum and you read them as town who kept trying to steer me away from them. I am sure what is going with kagami reminds you of what happened with bins but you were in a hood with me, do you think that I am making it up?

she is gaslighting STILL after I called her out. and her parting shot straight said she thought that I was scum. I ask you

in what world cld she possibly think that since I told her about part of my role that has to do with neighbourhoods.

as I said, I am NOT gonna fight the staeg lynch. if he is scum then yaye! I hope he is.

[pirate mollie]

This is mind-boggling...

I know nothing about your role beyond that you seem to have been lying to me D1.

OHHHHHHH REALLY?????

cos I most defo did. <------- you are straight up lying here.

I used "you guys" to refer to you plus a presumed partner.

You specifically said "not happy" as I faithfully transcribed above; I didn't say your read changed. You said that I was not happy with dunn's hammer in 1812, which is not what I said, it is what you said.

cos you seemed unhappy about it with the whole, "you knew that he wld" cos I mean from that conclusion and my play AND my role shldn't you have been happy about it and continued to talk to me especially when I said that we shld and then you implied that I was scum?

I see in your earlier tracking of actions that you recognize that I gave a "piece" to Nacho. That means I gave him my piece, which was given to me by Dunn N1. We're using "pieces of orb" and "orb" interchangeably. There are 4 pieces to the orb.

you did. that doesn't change that you are lying rn and you have been skewing what happened this whole time.

[pirate mollie]

You didn't tell me anything about your role unless I completely missed something.

its on p2. I am not sure if I am allowed to point out the post number to you itt but ya buddy its there.

[pirate mollie]

seems to me what we have here is a failure to communicate

kagami said this and I agreed with her. and that is why i reached out to her to tell her part of my role which she says I never did.

[pirate mollie]

1. i explained why I am treating her as town. I am afraid I am stuck in confbias.

Alright then. I don't think that's the conclusion I would draw but something something I haven't seen the actual qt.


I am a Light Warden, a Turtle Mystic.
I can listen to someone's Soul Frequency at the end of any day to learn about a Connection they have if they have ~enough votes~. I also apparently have the ability to sever their connection at night (if I could find one).

I can't target the lynchee and the only day I could get a result on was day 2. I'm not altogether convinced it should be revealed.

At the beginning of the game I assumed a few roles were going to have abilities based on numbers of votes on players at the end of the day, which was what I meant by "the thing you're not supposed to talk about". Or just abilites based on votes in general, which was reinforced by Nahdia's reaction. Based upon that I figured that announcing some nature of my ability would be counterproductive, since the ability doesn't seem that great without knowing what a Connection is and there were very likely to be scum roles with similar mechanics.

I now have some ideas about what a Connection is - definitely the quicktopics people have, but for my role to not be a complete dead weight, it would also need the ability to detect scumtopics. That, in turn, indicates a 2p scumteam or that scum didn't start the game with a quicktopic.
Or my role could just be mostly dead weight. That's more probable, I guess.


I am also experiencing doubts about Mollie's role being incongruous with a scum alignment.

LOLOLOLOLOL

mebbe I am tunneling on kagami. which is what I was afraid of and why i have for the most part been leaving her alone.

[pirate mollie]

huh. guess not then.

I am so leaving this to you.

I am not sure how some1 cld miss, "part of my role is...." but apparently that is what she is saying.

yeah its hard to communicate when some1 is not reading what you say. especially when its important.

[pirate mollie]

also I looked up "lightwarden" and there is not connection to mysticism its a hearthstone spellcard, lol.

dreamz checks out cos sufi dancers are called whirling dervishes and they use it to meditate.

[pirate mollie]

kagami's and mine is locked

[pirate mollie]

what was zito's role claim? wasn't it a priest?

[pirate mollie]

@ Dunn: it does matter. My PTs with Nacho and Mollie have been titled "Psychic Connections"

oh goody now I don't have to be so obtuse and dance around that!

[pirate mollie]

I don't see how you could disagree. Just about everyone has claimed at least partial role information. Keeping things in the dark favors scum.

Your reach exceeds your grasp

I agree with desp, here and I am confused why you don't want to considering I know your role.

[pirate mollie]

severing connections does not sound like a town role.

at all. I do wanna lynch staeg

eta: I keep getting ninja-ed

[pirate mollie]

@ mollie: Staeg's role allows him to target a scum who had votes but not enough to lynch and sever their scum QT

That sounds pretty town to me.

No, it severs CONNECTIONS. You just said your PT was Nacho was a CONNECTION. Those two roles sound pretty much in hard conflict with each other, don't you think?

yep

[pirate mollie]

Or an orb thief. Right. The orb thief. Oops

you cheering for a mass claim reminds me of infinity cheering for my idea that we shld out all of the orbs info

[pirate mollie]

omfg you fucking morons are considering a mass claim??

if you don't stfu I will sceam my head off to the ends of the earth that need to be policy lynched for posting nothing but garbage in the game.

I NEVER report shit unless a mod tells me to do so. but I will make an exception if you do not stop it.

[pirate mollie]

No, I'm cheering for a mass claim because it's what leads to me not being lynched. And desp's points. And the fact that dunn, who everyone trusts and has +1 voice on him, says it's fine.

lets talk about how you think my role is scum in any way shape or form. go ahead.

[pirate mollie]

I told you guys nahdia was town.

and staeg you said my role was scummy and i wld like you to explain how.

[pirate mollie]

"there's too much incomplete information"

fucking hilarious

you should all go play open games and leave these games to people who actually like them

I think the person who has issues is the 1 who is so incredibly desperate for attention they need to make a clown of themselves and be negative and whiny and unhelpful and clog up the game.

thats what I think. srsly shut up

[pirate mollie]

I don't think I did that T_T

oh I misread that

[pirate mollie]

I've still got spyrex saying "I might have killed sad" on my mind, too

@dunn.. we have been thinking about that a lot too...

huh. remind me to I'll circle around to this later.

if you and kagami are town you 2 need to stop. to me this looks like shade throwing and it is insidious and it is absolutely poisoning the well. I am trusting dunn's read on kagami and now that I know that she wasn't reading my posts it makes a bit more sense. I mean I still think it is scummy BUT I think scum are more likely to look for things like that.

I think staeg is the way to go and I am taking 1 thing at a time.

@ dunn lets see what staeg flips, okay? then hopefully we will able to talk.

@ nahdia - I am sorry you had to out like that.

[pirate mollie]

Wait, now you want to lynch staeg instead of completing the mass claim? Or am I misunderstanding

We're finishing it now

after nahdia's out. yes. if you trust me on this and trust me on desp then I will trust you on kagami even tho I don't like it.

go look at our pt when I said how I love indian mysticism. I think the flavour fits if you really thought about it.

I know it is asking a lot but can you plz just trust me on this? desp has let it go and I think you shld too.

[pirate mollie]

I know desperado is town because it looks like scum tried to kill him twice. That or drealmerz blocked a kill (who did he even target)

he says he targeted nacho n1, n2 and desp on n3. he didn't block any of the nks.

why do you think that I kept asking you why he was town and why I wanted to throw eels at you.

[pirate mollie]

I thought about it a bit overnight, and I'm thinking I may actually prefer a Zito lynch today. I'm largely on the same page as camn wrt their notes. The more I think on it though, the more I think if we're going wrong somewhere though that Staeg is likely the town in that 2 person initial scumpool. It doesn't seem like a town role but on the other hand, I'm having a lot of trouble believing there's not more to Zito's role than "has a passive item they can pass on if they like". That along with the Time Manipulator thing; I actually may feel a bit better about lynching Zito first.

Only other slot I had some reservations on was camntsuki, actually, but their recent gamesolving attempts have looked solid to me at least and I'm fairly at ease with the slot atm.

VOTE: Zito

I understand the sentiment but I don't want staeg cutting off pt's.

[pirate mollie]

desp stop arguing with scum! you are not gonna be able to convince scum to admit that they are scum. arguing with them just gives a foothold to start twisting the narrative to suit their needs in order to sow confusion. <------ that is literally scum's job.

I am good with a staeg lynch and I really think we need to start from there. if staeg flips scum then zito I guess.

@ then what else will you be doing with your awsum chord cutting power

and I am not sold on the limitations

if you are so desperate to save your skin at the expense of any1 else then why don't you start looking at zito

[pirate mollie]

dreamz do you have a second part to your role?

[pirate mollie]

@ then what else will you be doing with your awsum chord cutting power

nothing. I don't intend to use that part. Like, you know, I haven't used it all game. Not that I had many opportunities to do it, but I sure as hell wouldn't be cutting up any quicktopics that were already announced in-thread.

there is a difference between "not using it all game" and "not being able to use it all game yeah?

[pirate mollie]

There has to be some reason for me to have this ability, though
One of the QT-makers has to be scum

or we cld go with that you are a scum connection cutter who's ability is to keep mine in check. being conftown who is still able to talk beyond the grave in at least 1 pt for 1 round is pretty freaking powerful if you ask me.

dunn is town. pretty ready to bet the game on that 1.
desp is town. if I am willing to bet the game on dunn I am willing to bet on all future games that desp is town. this is a player that I am super familiar with.

kagami is the outlier in that grp. but I am trusting dunn with that 1.

so by poe it leaves you and zito.

hth

[pirate mollie]

desp I think that you shld hammer since you already have the other 3 orbs. nahdia can protect you again. the only thing that can screw things up is dreamz and he cld do this and still unfortunately be town.

I think n1 dreamz was redirected from nacho to spyrella by infinity. I think that is a reasonable conclusion to come to. and it doesn't make sense for scum!dreamz to block you and steal the orb from you and nk you all at the same time. that is where I keep landing on kagami. we will see I suppose. I will support whoever you want lynched tho, at this time I feel like we not get a lynch on any1 but staeg or zito.

I wish 1 of the dreamz supporters wld tell dreamz to knock it off and reach out to him cos his block on you was dumb and I am worried about more garbage like that. I don't even know who the fuck his scumreads apparently according to him every1 is scum but him.

[pirate mollie]

@ staeg

something is confusing me. this is where I took it that you were implying that I was scum:

I am also experiencing doubts about Mollie's role being incongruous with a scum alignment.

but then you later say this when I called you out on it. I thought mebbe I misunderstood so i asked desp and what his opinion was on it and he agreed, it looked like you were saying I was scum.

but then later you say:

No, I'm cheering for a mass claim because it's what leads to me not being lynched. And desp's points. And the fact that dunn, who everyone trusts and has +1 voice on him, says it's fine.

lets talk about how you think my role is scum in any way shape or form. go ahead.

???

I don't think I did that T_T

so I am really confused.

I want desp to hammer since he has the 3 orbs.

again, the orb thief idea does not make sense. why steal the orb from desp when they wld have received it by nking him.

also I don't trust dreamz. even if he is town he is pretty anti-town and I don't trust him to do some heavy interference.

[pirate mollie]

Why are we pushing for hammer having only gotten nahdia to claim, and before I can say anything

And you were pushing for the mass claim earlier, too

lol, I am not pushing for a hammer and wld love it if some1 unvoted to give us more time.

I am still working things out. I love puzzles and the missing orb is a big 1. cos if kagami IS town and DID try to give it to desp then a time manipulation piece makes sense. fate had said before the game that he was into time manipulation but didn't elaborate on what that meant. I can't ask him now obvsly.

I DO understand where desp is coming from as to why he wants a massclaim. he is frustrated cos there are too many things floating about that are unresolved. so yeah i was frustrated too but I am taking in nahdia's, yours and other players POV. II am just trying to find a balance. I am trying to keep my ideas in mine and desp's pt so I don't clog up the thread cos some of it might be irrelevant plus nearly every1 in the game will not know what I mean when I talk about Schrodinger's cat and dble slit theory. nor will it likely interest them, lol.

do you know the other part of kagami's role? don't tell me obvsly I will a lot better about her if you do. if it checks out then the time manipulation might have more meaning, which is what nahdia and camn? said earlier. it might explain the missing orb but that is just theory and speculation. I said this way earlier in the pt but ugh shiny things.

I hope this helps

[pirate mollie]

Alright, not a lot of time, but I'll say what I can.

Firstly, lots of people already know my role. I'm A Ninja, Turtle Mystic; I have one and only one ability flavored Shadow Portal. It is a night action that creates a neighborhood for the following day/night phase. I've passed orbs as well every night so far, so there's probably no "one action" limit.

I think Mollie said that I have some additional power? I'm not sure where that inference comes from.

yeah i thought you had another power besides neighbourizer. turns out you did so my inference or whatever seems to be correct!

I accept your apology.

who the fuck knows that you are a ninja and is still calling you town? cos I sure as fuck wld like to know that 1.

so......can some1 plz explain to me why wld we have a town ninja? I mean sure.....fate is this *zany, crazy guy!* but usually he has a purpose in mind. some1 will need to explain to me why a neighbourizer wld need an accompanied ninja role.

lets seeeee.....why wld scum!kagami give the orbs away when she did but withhold giving 1 to desp at a critical point in the game? mebbe cos she was not worried about all of the orbs being collected by town

cos she knew scum did not have 1 so she cld give the orbs away and look town until there was a chance that town wld collect all of the orbs and THEN withhold it

.

jfc I have never seen so many pple allergic to occam's razor.

why...with a ninja in the game it is almost like there shld be....a tracker in place. since that is how the 2 counter balance each other. I can't imagine why town wld need a ninja.

@ staeg - light warrior makes a lot more sense. lmao I doubt that fate wld even have lucifer in the game.

I still don't trust you, but I can let it go for 1 more day. you are still not sitting right with me.

[pirate mollie]

Nahdia, who knew desp would be protected N2?

before it happened? no one.

@mollie i think "Ninja" is just flavor. like Fakir. or Wiccan or Chaos Mage or Druid or Witch Doctor. i dont think Kagami is literally saying they have the passive ninja modifier.

then that makes even less sense cos a ninja is not a mystic.

nahdia will you plz stop making excuses for her. her play has not been town I don't care what you pple say.

[pirate mollie]

i mean, i just gathered that from the way she claimed: "Ninja, Turtle Mystic". It's the way it's structured in our role PMs.

I saw that after you pointed it out, which my thanks btw.

in every game that I have been in where pple are having to come up with fictional theories in order to justify why they are not scum have invariable turned out to be scum. every. single. time.

if the time manipulator applies to zito then it is not going to apply to kagami. the more I think about it the less and less I think an orb thief is in place since we have not seen any evidence before now. and that "evidence" cld easily be explained that kagami simply did not give the orb to desp, she gave it to some1 else. and that scum tried to nk desp in order to get the others. <---- every single piece of evidence points to this.

@ yo staeg, are you gonna address my question to you?

[pirate mollie]

Oh. Um. Mollie, that was meant to reference the other QT-maker, Dunn. That's not the correct name there. Oops.
I don't actually have any idea what your role is besides having some positive interactions with QTs.
Also, is there some reason we're assuming that the hypothetical orb stealer's action resolves after orbs are sent out?

This one?

mea culpa

well yes

[pirate mollie]

also staeg, what do you think of kagami now? I wld like your input about what is going on rn since you are sorta involved.

I want reads.

[pirate mollie]

Pretty strong scum. The "I was told there'd be protection" thing, if correct, would bring her to a way weaker scumread, but Nahdia's last post makes me

I asked for a readslist.

[pirate mollie]

I don't know that we can assume where it started;

Fair enough.
Though Mollie's narrative that he DIDNT have it up front is questionable, I think.

I can understand the confusion from what i said, I reread it and it shld read like this: "cos she knew scum

did

have 1 so she cld give the orbs away and look town until there was a chance that town wld collect all of the orbs and THEN withhold it." sorry.

does that make more sense?

I srsly doubt a town player wld have given infinity an orb. no1 had mentioned that they had it prior and nacho refrained cos he still had his.

so I am assuming scum had it the whole time if kagami is scum.

desp has asked you why do you think players are town for giving away the orbs after he gave you an example of town not having done so. you ignored him.

kagami is literally not reading the game just like she wasn't reading our pt. yet no1 cares.

I think staeg and zito both look like something that slithered out of a truckstop toilet and I had settled on them ages ago, but then some shit happened that are raising red flags that are giant and big and can be seen from outerspace.

just in case any1 forgot or they did not read what I posted earliier lemme reiterate:

why did kagami say, "well you knew that he wld do it" if she thought that dunn was town. I mean if she was happy that town got it then why did shr snap at me like that? why ignore the pt until minutes before it opened to say, "did you nk me?". I mean wtf I told her in the pt that dunn and I told each other our roles and that was after she kept demanding that I explain my townread on dunn. I never told her what our roles

were

altho I did out mine to her later on and only partially cos I did not trust her. I mentioned something about desp softing (which was an error on my part but whtever) and scum targeted him.

there are like 20 million things that do not add up with her and she never addresses them then she disappears and lets dunn defend her.

like srsly no

I wld very much like for this to be cleared up once and for all so that the game can move forward. cos from my POV she looks every bit as guilty as the pple she is accusing which other than zito I am not even sure of who else. oh yeah, suddenly staeg.

if you think she is town then make her give reads and make her accountable. like srsly help me out.

[pirate mollie]

Lucifer is an awesome mystic

[pirate mollie]

also camn why are you asking flavour from other players when you refuse to disclose anything about your own role?

[pirate mollie]

I had mollie as town D1 and neighborized her because she claimed she needed a PT and I assumed I was the only neighborizor.

Sometime in D2 I got sick of the rubbish I was having to deal with

, and then she magically flipped from "drealz is obvscum" to "let's help my best buddy desperado on infinity after kagami has already effectively put him to L-1 and he's now obviously going to be lynched," which is when it was full-on scumread.

I've backed off that mostly because it actually seems pretty plausible that Mollie is town and has misread or misinterpreted pretty much everything I've posted, and it would be a little too clever to both give Desp her orb piece and attempt to kill him on the same night.

I am not the 1 who missed some1 claiming partially their role and their reach out.

I am not the 1 who has ignored every single thing that you have said.

I am not the 1 who is refusing to acknowledge how 90% of this shit misunderstanding by saying, "wow you are right, I did miss that and I see how it has contributed to the negativity between us". its not like I am even asking for an apology I asking to acknowledge what has happened cos that way if you are town we can move on.

I am not the 1 who is making catty bitchy passive aggressive comments to you.

I am also not the 1 who is STILL not fucking reading and is still somehow missing staeg's role claim. newsflash he is not claiming to be light bringer.

you have taken a huge shit on me this entire game ever since I disagreed with your scumread on dunn and defended him who's ass you are not ironically kissing and I disagreed with your reasons for giving a nacho a pass.

pray tell what "rubbish" have you had to deal with that was not a result of you not reading the fucking game?

I don't give a shit who we lynch I just don't care anymore I am just waiting to be out of the game.

[pirate mollie]

You didn't "disagree" with my reasons for giving nacho a pass, you gave me paragraphs about how I could not possibly think what I'm thinking.

I am looking at p1 and I did nothing but disagree with you. am I angry? nope

I am not even sure how you came to that conclusion.

I tried to clear up the SAD NKA thing. I said that SAD clearly had a latent scumread on Dunn, not a null read, and that it would make a lot of sense for Dunn to have killed him. You just yelled at me about that, and sorry, but I still think my observation was correct.

you didn't say latent, you said hard scumread and that was why dunn nked sad. you wld somewhat say, "I am not sure on dunn and no I never said he was scum and I didn't throw shade". I quoted 2 posts of shade throwing at dunn and you said you didn't have a scumread on dunn. and then continued insisting that yes, sad was scumreading dunn and that is why dunn wld have nked sad.

I didn't ever say "this makes dunn scum and I am scumreading him," that was a hypothetical explanation for the SAD kill, which struck me as an odd kill at the time. You told me that I'm scumreading him and throwing shade at him and that it's completely crazy and Dunn was obvtown. I later asked why you thought so and you gave me a bizarrely superficial answer for the amount of anger you expressed at even conceiving the possibility he's scum.

you asked me why I thought dunn was town on p1. I said I have reasons. but lets go back to p2: still not angry and there isn't a single sign of anger.

I missed your claim, which was buried deep in a very long post that you're correct that I missed. I probably would have caught in on review it if I hadn't posted a few more "trying to clear things up" posts (43 and 44), which you happily railed on and got up on some super high horse in 45. Then you practically scumclaimed, as far as I was concerned, with the infinity lynch followed by innocent "O gosh, who'd have guessed Dunn would hammer" act in (48-51).

*looks at 42* still not angry, I am responding to your post and you insistence that sad had a light scumread on dunn and that scum!dunn wld have nked sad.

you kept saying that I attacked you when I never did. I attacked the reasoning you had for your scumread on zito, which was based on him not being around. again i am asking why are you giving a pass to nacho when the 2 are pretty parallel with activity wrt game.

still not angry.

oh yeah, I am willing to entertain the idea that zito is sk at this point. <----- this is me trying to work with you. I elaborate on the scenarios where it might be possible.

still not angry.

I out my role which is its own paragraph. next paragraph I explain why I think there might be more than 1 pt other than dunn's. <----- I am not quite sure how this is not a reachout where I am claiming my role. oh yeah....you missed 2 paragraphs of me explaining why I think the way that I do. this is in the same post where I am trying to understand your perspective and point out the points I disagree on. cos you consider a 4th response to what you had said is "burying" my role. with 2 paragraphs. that are separate from everything else.

still not angry.

I'm not happy with the treatment of nacho. Yes, RC pulled the trigger, but Nacho wasn't being scum-Nacho like you were insisting, and if you weren't railing on him, RC might have shot elsewhere and made this game infinitely friendlier. He wasn't being town-nacho, but he wasn't being scum-nacho.

at this point, you have said you were afraid that nacho might be scum. I was grilling nacho and putting pressure on him to get a better read. yeah I think he is scum at his point. yeah rc shot him. you are right it was not rc's fault that rc shot him it was somehow my fault cos I scumread nacho /sarcasm

okay. I am still not mad at this point in the pt or in the thread. and I want to make something clear; "railing" is not the equivalent
of scumreading some1. hth

still not angry.

I play this game to have fun, mollie, and for a short while, it was fun. I have a PT partner who I get along with, and I had one last night (he was even pretty fun as a scum-PT partner in the dance). If you want to think I'm scum, go ahead, but you can't expect everything to be all flowers and roses when you do nothing but assault me in a PT that I made with you instead of someone like Nacho or katsuki, and do this hot-and-cold act of "I hate everything you say, now let's try to work together, ok I hate everything you say, why aren't you talking to me???!!"

I play to try to have fun too. our pt made me miserable and you say it made you too. I had no such problem in my other pt's. dunn and I have disagreed on things. desp and I have too but in both cases we talked it out.

you talk anything out when some1 is not reading what you are saying.

90% of this cld have been cleared up if you had read my posts in the pt. I can see where you felt like you were reaching out but by this time you were not responding to the important things that I had to say. instead you picking up your narrative from where you left off in the prvs post. its like it did not matter WHAT I said. cos you were not listening.

by the end of the pt I say that I won't bother. you accuse me of knowing that dunn wld hammer and that this somehow makes me scum. then minutes before fate closing the thread you baited me by asking if I nked you.

at this point I am still not angry. confused and frustrated but not angry.

I never said I hated what everything you said. I hated the defense on nacho while scumreading zito when you both had categorized them for the same reasons. I hated that point cos it was super hypocritical. nowhere in that pt am I expressing anger or am I saying "I hate everything you write". I mean you are not addressing the game solving points I bring up, you are focusing on your own narrative.

then finally, in the game, you admit to reading my posts.

somehow I think this is the source of the confusion that is somehow my fault. /sarcasm

I am frustrated now, but even now not angry. I am frustrated cos what you are saying is not true and you are trying to paint yourself as a victim to "mean ol' mollie" when what it comes down to is that you tied up our pt in pointless arguments while insisting you weren't while not reading my posts.

I think that I have earned the right to be frustrated here. stop misrepresenting what happened in order to put yourself in a favourable light. <---- cos this is why I am scumreading you; cos it is manipulative as hell.

if you are town then stop it and tell the truth about what, from the perspective that you were not reading my posts, it is highly likely that you misunderstood a helluva lot that was going on, and stop trying to ignore your contribution to the misunderstanding.

I hope this clears things up. stop lying about what happened in our pt cos it looks like you are lying when I be you misrepresenting cos you were not really reading what was going on. and for god's sake stop with the catty bitchy comments. I am not calling you a bitch (just to clarify things) I am saying you are making bitchy jabs that are preemptive negative conclusions that you help capitulate.

eta: xposts will catch up on them.

[pirate mollie]

i still cant tell if katsuki was using we as in camnsuki or we as in the town

We as in camntsuki but it can apply to the town as well.

There is enough info to break this game open and if mollie stops playing as if she drew a scum PM it'd be very helpful

.

Now, from what I can gather you're just woefully wrong about Staeg just like how you were woefully wrong about AP in Tales of You and should vote for Staeg today. We'd of course give you Zito's head on a silver platter tomorrow in exchange.

this is such bullshit I don't even know what to say

[pirate mollie]

That slots probably town but is both colorblind and dyslexic thus believing themselves to be scum.

yeah I guess I am colourblind, you sure got me

lemme guess, I am being hostile to you too yeah?

[pirate mollie]

I thought you were so sure that slot was scum when it wasn't desp...

Spyspy was our only townread for like the first two days of this game... I have never once read Spyspy wrong before in all my years of playing so it would be quite depressing if I were wrong here.

then why were you pushing him to the point where he replaced oh yeah it was your other head

[pirate mollie]

town and scum have both been confirmed to hold an orb so it is literally NAI.

you keep repeating this, but a) nacho was blocked. and b) no proven scum have PASSED and orb. it's just a straight logic path. it might be wrong... but not because of what you are saying.

then why were you pushing him to the point where he replaced oh yeah it was your other head

It was. though FTR we weren't even pushing for his lynch when he replaced out. We were just abusing him for being so hard-headed and inflexible with his vote. It's different.

is that along the same lines as cupcake putting me down for my dyslexia?

this is a pretty important question. I personally find stuff like that not okay.

[pirate mollie]

STAEG DIES TODAY THOUGH NO QUESTIONS ASKED. WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO BREAK THIS GAME OPEN

...

@Mollie do you trust this y/n?

are you asking me if I trust them or do I trust that they have enough info to blow the game open?

I didn't answer cos I am not super clear and I was hoping for more insight or analysis from you since on d2 you were saying you were waiting for flips. you lost me when you started townreading kagami for the reasons you gave.

desp thinks its kagami/camnsuki
kagami/dunn are saying is you/staeg
dreamz wants to lynch any1 who is not him. like he isn't paying attention. at all.
dunn doesn't want to lynch kagami or dreamz. I think the rest of us are up for grabs.

I am thinking that it is you and staeg. usually scum don't burn bridges in the way that camn and kagami are doing. when there is this level of ill will it is usually tvt. given enough time fences are usually mended. usually. when its svt then that the bridge is usually burnt beyond repair. there is not coming back from it.

I have asked for a readslist from staeg and haven't got 1.

but...I can't deny there are big red flags that kagami/camnsuki are waving that I can't ignore. nor are they mmaking any effort to clear them up. and there will be no breaking up of the dunn/kagami/camnsuki trifecta. if any 1 of them are scum then the game is pretty much lost.

I trust desp and nahdia. thats about it.

I am waiting on nahdia

[pirate mollie]

Are you actually dyslexic? Because I thought you were just intentionally trying to be a bitch D1.

wld you mind pointing out where I was a bitch? I want to know exactly what I am apologizing for. otherwise I am gonna think you are just making it up. I am reading your my iso and I am kinda thinking you are.

I am not offended by you calling me a bitch by the way cos sometimes I am. I try to work on it as best as I can. at least I can admit this and not try to convince myself that I am not.

anyway moving forward I am just gonna ignore you. if you point out what I asked I will apologize if needed.

[pirate mollie]

i'd still rather lynch in zito/staeg today : \

okay I wanna make sure desp is on board. as I said in the pt I just wanna end this game asap.

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: Kagami

so I take it zito is your teammate?



does anybody have a vc count?

[pirate mollie]

I am not offended by you calling me a bitch by the way cos sometimes I am.

>I<

think you are charming, and a delight. So there.

[pirate mollie]

Either or both. I don't trust that slot at all, I'm a bit bewildered that nobody is pushing it, but I'm also tempted by the notion that the game is solvable. I think you're town in this game and you have access to more information than I do so I'm willing to follow your lead.

I don't think they have solved anything. I think that it is possible that they think they have.

I am thinking that they are town based on the reasons that I have already laid out. twice.

I think that if they are scum then so is kagami.

I understand you have some sort of personal issue with Kagami that's super unclear because neither of you can even agree on what the fundamental problem is and I can't read the source material myself. The confirmed info I have on Kagami is the orb passing which I've gone over already and the ability to created neighborhoods which is whatever. I don't understand why one scum would hold orbs and another pass them - that doesn't make sense from a team-working-together perspective. I don't understand why the scum team would be passing any orbs at all when gathering them seems to be a thing. I also don't understand why infinity would hang onto his orb when he was under threat instead of handing it off to Kagami who wasn't. (this is another quiet reason I'd like to see dreamer hang btw)

I do not have some personal issue with kagami.

my issue with her is:

she is not reading my posts. so she has missed my reachouts.

she is not reading my posts. so she has missed where I said that this might be a miscommunication and my apology with my contribution with that.

she is not reading my posts. so she missed my half-claim.

she is not reading my posts. so she isn't seeing important game relevant information.

I don't take it personally cos she is not really reading staeg's and desp's.

not to mention she is ignoring every single person who is asking her a pointed game relevant question. tbf I suppose she is answering some, but she is certainly being selective about which 1s she answers. <------ not 1 single person other than desp and I trying to make her accountable for her play. not 1. every1 is townreading her.

gee.....why on earth wld scum!kagami give away the orbs only to have scum!infinity to hold onto his? to me the answer is super simple: to allow them to accumulate in town's hands and then nk them. easiest way to get all of the orbs in scum's hands while appearing very town in the process.

I

really

don't like you trying to trivialize my game relevant concerns with her by marginalizing them and calling them personal I really don't. why:

cos it feeds kagami's bullshit of ignoring my posts and any questions that try to make her accountable. essentially you are giving half the game the ammunition to ignore every point I try to make.

that staeg is voting kagami is probably the most ringing endorsement of kagami being town so far. cos I think staeg is scum.

I don't understand why I've been linked with Staeg. At all. Then again, I also don't understand why I'm being scumread, primarily because nobody will bother giving a reason and instead just repeat my name over and over. (this should be a giant red flag but /shrug) If you can articulate a reason for this scumread I'd be glad to talk about it. If you can't that's a signal for you to re-evaluate.

you are linked with staeg cos the 2 of you are scum by poe. I agree with nahdia in this.

I have re-evaluated. I have re-evaluated until my eyeballs bleed.

is kagami voting you rn? nope. I am not even sure she is scumreading you at this point. she seems to be fishing for more info so that she can construct a narrative if you flip town. but that might be me tunneling.

I think your lynch will clarify a lot of things for a lot of pple. nahdia and I have said we are scum reading you by poe. desp is scumreading you cos he is convinced that kagami gave the orb to you and there won't be any support for her lynch. I think the pple you ought to be pushing are the 1s who have scumread you all game but suddenly seem to be having cold feet and aren't saying so.

basically I guess it boils down to that you are a compromise lynch and I don't feel good about it. I can't fight your fight for you. you have to do it. I tried to help as much as I can to at least give you a fair shot even if you are scum. I wld much rather lynch dreamz than you. I cannot for 1 second believe that he thinks that desp/dunn/me/you I forget who else are scum. like no way. even if he is town he still needs to be lynched. like now.

I said that dreamz shld be vigged d1. I wish rc wld have listened to THAT if he was listening to me at all.

anyway here:

[pirate mollie]

I am not offended by you calling me a bitch by the way cos sometimes I am.

>I<

think you are charming, and a delight. So there.

I AM SORRY CAMN THAT IS NOT THE IMAGE I WANTED TO POST!!!

its this 1:

not sure how that 1 popped up.

[pirate mollie]

This isn't at all clear based on your iso fyi. But I got my answer so ok.

its in 2812

You're claiming Kagami isn't reading your posts. Kagami claims she is. What conclusion am I supposed to draw here? Again, without access to the source I have 0 way to judge any of this for myself. I asked Kagami to paraphrase what's in your chat as a method of indirect access

so I can do this

but she has yet to do so. Beyond that there's nothing I can do or say on this topic. So instead in regards to Kagami I must rely on the evidence I have in the game thread.

did she say she was reading my posts before or after she finally admitted that she missed my partial claim? was this before or after she messed up staeg's role claim? was this before or after desp asked some pertinent questions that she ignored?

I mean the evidence is pretty apparent in this game thread, it isn't like it is hard to find. she is selectively reading the game.

Therefore: Infinity had some incentive to keep his orThe only incentive I can think of here is to gather all the orbs together. This makes Kagami likely town for passing along not one but

two

orbs.

I believe I said this. in the post you quoted.

Shrug. I can't do anything about PoE but I question the hell out of it given we don't have any clears.

are you calling desp uncleared when nahdia is saying that she protected him?

why aren't you going after the pple who have scumread you all game and suddenly are deaf dumb and blind to your appeal for more info. I want staeg and dreamz lynched before you. staeg cos I think he is scum and dreamz cos even if he is town I think he is working against town's best interest. like blocking desp.

Really? When I flip town what exactly is going to be clarified?

if you flip scum then it is a clear path to scum!staeg I think.

if you flip town it will force some pple to re-evaluate. my biggest fear is that town will turn on each other and lynch outside their fwendship circle.

I think the 2 players you shld be talking to are kagami and camn. ask them if they still have you as scum. if so why.

I think that wld be a lot more productive and a lot more beneficial than arguing with me, who for the most part doesn't want you lynched except that poe points to you.

[pirate mollie]

zito can you give a readslist plz? and mebbe some reasons why you think that? I know you are working with limited information but it wld help I think.

[pirate mollie]

ty zito <3

I am not lynching zito btw. if ya'll want it bad enough you are gonna have to do it w/o me. if he is scum, then he has played a better game with the little he has to work with than a lot of pple. if he is town, then I think the pple who lynched him shld feel bad about it. cos crappy play is being given a pass when it really shldn't.

Dunn, how did you know Desp was being protected without knowing it was nahdia who did it?

Scum eavesdropper explains a heck of a lot, so I think we should get to the bottom of where any mystery hoods came from.

Uh, are you saying I'm a scum eavesdropper

Or is that a different thought


I agree with zito in that camn is a pretty good lynch that people aren't talking about

you explain to me how dreamz is town. how that scumlist comes from town. that his last post comes from town. that his egging on any fight that pops up comes from town. cos if he is town then he is actively, willingly, choosing to work against town. and if he is a town role blocker then the damage is not gonna stop.

I am always up for a cupcake lynch. camn seems town to me but I don't like their role fishing and holding back their claim.

also in case any1 hasn't noticed, kagami WAS in a neighbourhood with dunn.

@ dunn - are you in a hood with kagami now? cos I think it is either you or camn. unless it is nahdia.

if kagami wants to out hoods lets begin with hers.

[pirate mollie]

obviously a spreading sadness

we must stop it

and lynch zito!

I don't want to lynch anyone that isn't me

just most of you

gee

or just lynch zito ffs

can someone pass me an orb and get towncred and then I'll pass an orb for some towncred back to you and then you pass it back to me for more and then I back to you for more?

PM, you are the one doing damage

I'm just staying out of the way

yep this sure is staying out of things!

has any1 noticed that the 2 players who are in no way giving reads are staeg and dreamz?

if we lynch dreamz I promise, I PROMISE, to trust you guys on kagami. because of right now the only pple whom it wld help are scum.

ask desp what his role it. he will likely tell you if not he has his reasons. dreamz blocked him last night, still has him as scum and has me as scum and dunn.

dunn you know some things and you know why this wld be BAD to keep him in the game.

[pirate mollie]

* because of right now the only pple who benefit from him staying in the game are scum.

[pirate mollie]

Yeah I neighborized kagami for the night, it's gone now

was it last night?

is hers every other night? it seems like she said that. it seems a little odd but okay.

plz give me a good reason to not lynch dreamz. I don't care if you think he is town or not there needs to be a reason outside of it. I think he is. he has not done 1 town motivated thing in the entire game. not 1.

if you pple need for me to produce links to games where the top 2 wagons at some point were on scum in the game I will show. my point is to let that go and look at the play beyond that.

look at his play.

he isn't helping things. at all.

[pirate mollie]

eta: @ dunn - if you are not in kagami's hood then it is likely camn or nahdia. there are reasons why neither of those 2 work.

[pirate mollie]

eta: @ dunn - if you are not in kagami's hood then it is likely camn or nahdia. there are reasons why neither of those 2 work.

what do you mean?

she said this at opening today, d4:

I make a new hood every night that lasts for a day/night cycle,

but I had two last night due to another player's ability.

Haven't had a hood with mollie since D3 began.

Both knew what I was going to do, but I consider one to be hard-cleared given no death.

Still doubt the other is scum.

she had 2 hoods. so who is the second 1? she says there are 2 and you confirmed 1 of them?

who is the hard-cleared 1 given no deaths?

it isn't you
it isn't me
it isn't desp
I doubt its dreamz.
its not staeg.

so who it it? who is hard-cleared given no deaths that she is in a pt with?

that leaves camn, zito, nahdia

if camn is in a hood with kagami, then why did camn say this:

[/b]And if we are wrong than

drealmerz

and

{Kagami OR Mollie}

could be reconsidered.. but I don't think we are wrong.

but lets ask camn:

CAMN, ARE YOU IN A HOOD WITH KAGAMI??

here is where it gets weird:

There's something wrong with the communication lines. What happened last night doesn't seem possible unless there's another hood out there, or some communication traveled through a scum PT, or someone is lying.

so now she thinks that some communication passed through the scum pt. who then?

its not nacho he is dead.
its not dunn, she has him as town.
pretty sure its not me since I am town!
its not desp cos of nk.

so who is cleared because of the nk that she has a hood with?

this makes me think that it is not nahdia:

Dunn, how did you know Desp was being protected without knowing it was nahdia who did it?

it seems like something she cld have asked nahdia. but lets ask nahdia.

nahdia, are you in a hood with kagami?

I wanna know who kagami has neighbourized cos of this remark:

Scum eavesdropper explains a heck of a lot, so I think we should get to the bottom of where any mystery hoods came from.

I mean, if she is asking what other hoods are out there, why isn't she saying who SHE is in a hood with and including them in her scumhunting off of pple in pt's?

only zito is left but zito says I am the only person who is playing with him.

I found this while I was trying to find out where kagami had zito as town like he says. she didn't say that btw, so i am unsure where he is getting that from.

I keeeeeeeeep trying to move past it but its these glaring inconsistencies that keep throwing red flags.

if she is a pt with nahdia then nahdia can confirm it just seems odd how her reasoning is playing out.

answers to this will go a long way into convincing desp and calming my final reservations.

[pirate mollie]

can we let kagami answer my questions? thnx

why are you pple trying to rush this cos those questions are pretty important!

@ nahdia, y/n do you have a pt with kagami?

@ camnsuki do you have a pt with kagami y/n?

@ zito do you have a pt with kagami y/t?

@ kagami will you plz answer dunn's question? thnx

[pirate mollie]

I don't see any reason not to move my vote if we've got magical infofairies finally delivering.

I don't have any PTs.

how about you not hammer?

unless camnsuki explains what that role info is then I am not gonna trust it. I think there is a good chance staeg is scum, but I do not want the day cut short until I get my questions answered.

your cooperation wld go a long way with that if you wld help me with this by holding off voting and reiterate the question. thnx

[pirate mollie]

Kagami can you answer whatever Mollie is asking plz.

she is saying that the other person is requesting not to be named.

if so then it is dunn's question she needs to answer. and lets just say I know what camnsuki is

not

so I doubt its role info related and I don't cupcake to not fake claim in order to get his way about something. as town. if staeg flips town (and I am not gonna lie he looks pretty scummy rn) then tomorrow town is gonna be in a mess.

I am actually supporting kagami cos there is something I mentioned in the pt with desp about the nk that kinda puts kagami in a more favourable light. kind of. I bet dunn can guess why.

this post right here:

Scum eavesdropper explains a heck of a lot, so I think we should get to the bottom of where any mystery hoods came from.

is making me think, cos my role kinda supports that but I don't think it is all pt's. just some of them. I think kagami (if town) might be on to something here, something that desp and I wld love clarification on. and it wld make staeg's role a lot more sense; this is why desp doesn't want to lynch staeg.

if kagami thinks that the above is a possibility I think she needs to out who is asking her to keep quiet or explain why she thinks that the above is a possibility. cos if it is true then I think town shld know so that they can move forward in a more knowledgeable direction. this is why desp wanted a massclaim. we pretty much have nearly every1's role pinned down except for cupcake's, who is claiming role related knowledge for staeg to be lynched.

if it is staeg or dreamz then this might potentially be a way for town to move forward with less paranoia and a clearer understanding of what is going on.

if kagami is right (if she is town) then scum probably know everything anyway. an eavesdropper only makes sense in a certain circumstance. a circumstance that I have been arguing against desp this whole time.

[pirate mollie]

grrr...can you give me the analysis I asked for, like scumhunting off of your own wagon and looking at associatives with infinity

[pirate mollie]

Okay so my severing ability also ~grants liberation~ which, obviously, I don't know more about
I didn't mention this 1 beforehand so that people wouldn't go "oh look now he's just trying to come up with reasons why we shouldn't lynch him" since I highly doubt that anyone knows what liberation is

god you look so scummy even your own grandmother wld be voting you now

[pirate mollie]

MM here let's try
Desp is town because, Nahdia's town for the claim and perfectly matching play, the rest of them are outlined in my last post?


Mollie pls I'm dead, how do I even respond to all of these "god fuk ur scummy give reads"

kk

I wld love to have my questions answered but w/e

are you at L1?

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: staeg

[pirate mollie]

any last words?

[pirate mollie]

either desp or hammered not sure which and it doesn't matter cos I trust desp

[pirate mollie]

Mollie, the last page is filled with my last words. I'm not sure why you remain convinced that I wasn't lynched yet.

I am pretty sure you are lynched too. I just wanted you to get in your last words. when I am scum getting lynched and I can speak in twighlight I usually tell town to suck a dick. I thought mebbe you wanted that opportunity too.

[pirate mollie]

Hi guys!

Anyone want to claim 3rd party?

so are you gonna tell us who you were in a neighbourhood yesterday? or are you gonna ignore this like you have everything else?

VOTE: papa zito

let me know if you want me for anything

thoughts on the players who claimed role info on the guy we mislynched?

if you cld unvote that wld be fantabulous

[pirate mollie]

full claim or what you say means nothing

I regret not doing it yesterday

I HAVE NO WORDS FOR HOW MUCH I LOVE NAHDIA.

I am going to go through the motions. cos it is what it is.

so why did you not want kagami to say who she was in a hood with.

and why are you not claiming

oh yeah

I am having to go through the motions too. if there is an indie they can side with you and win. as long as it is not a sole wc.

the least that you can do is fakeclaim. for entertainment reasons

[pirate mollie]

Tomorrow would be better. Trust me.
Nahdia Neighborized us last night, BTW.

she neighbourized ppl during the day. 2 players other than her.

I don't think that desp expected to die. I wonder if he even knew that he was silenced.

VOTE: camnsuki

this game has made me pretty sad

[pirate mollie]

NIce work mollie.
A quicklynch on town in MYLO.

Thanks for the loss.

I wish I cared.

[pirate mollie]

zito if you are scum plz, just don't.

camn can you plz wait until the game is over before you pm me? its salt in a wound, and I guess I don't really believe you.

[pirate mollie]

Kagami had a guilty on them vouched for by two dead townies and two town voted for two other people in lylo : (

Oh well gg wp.

Was it the person who lied about start

Was it also the person who made fun of my dyslexia

Wait, was the guilty on the person that I thought was scum and no1 cared that she wasn't reading my posts?

I am sure this is somehow my fault. Sorry guys

[pirate mollie]

mollie realm here:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=70006

IDC

You fucked me over intentionally and didn't care

Stay classy ms

[pirate mollie]

oh my god lol drealmerz please pay attention.

what was this in reference to?

I just couldn't get into the game

ya know...trying to play and being shut down on D1 on everything I posted killed it for me

then everyone was pretty much being a jerk and I had no interest in engaging

Funny



I wild have thought blocking the cop twice wild have done that

I wish I c!d thank you for the game fate but I can't fake emotion. It was uncool what you did here

But w/e

[pirate mollie]

Where did deep say he had a guilty, nahdia?

Thanks for noticing that i stopped a nk twice. It means a !of.

Thanks nahdia, but as I said in the pt I wished you wild stayed

[pirate mollie]

Where did deep say he had a guilty, nahdia?

Thanks for noticing that i stopped a nk twice. It means a !of.

Thanks nahdia, but as I said in the pt I wished you wild stayed

Fate deleted it, but it was there. Fate confirmed this when he said that Desp broke his silence : \

I didn't know what fate was talking about. I wasn't around to see the deleted post. when I came back to the pt well before the day was supposed to end he had already locked it.

I am sorry.

you were 1 of my favourite players, nahdia thank you for that.

desp, thanks for believing me when no1 else wld. you had it pegged with your kagami and zito reads.

[pirate mollie]

desp, thanks for believing me when no1 else wld. you had it pegged with your kagami and zito reads.

do I like not exist
or was I too scummy to even communicate with

I am sorry that I did not believe you

[pirate mollie]

What did I do mollie?

It wasn't an easy mod decision to make. Desps ability was only balanced if he didn't speak... He was essentially a confirmed sane cop

mebbe it had something to do with a triple nk on town.

I am salty. but I will get over it.

thank you for modding the game.

[pirate mollie]

And yet camn faked a guilty on town instead

We didn't fake a guilty. I simply stated we had role related reasons for believing that Staeg was scum.

The only problem was that Kagami being scum kinda messed things up and she practically scumclaimed in the neighborhood QT after I mislynched staeg. XD

what were these super good reasons that scum knew were fake

[pirate mollie]

He wasn't really modkilled. He was going to die from kagami's orb ability, and fate ended the day early because desp talked

why wld that result end in a beloved princess decision

cos that is what happened.

but it doesn't matter. desp talking and being removed from the game is a modkill and I feel bad that I was't around.

[pirate mollie]

I tagged him during the day and his head asplode at the end of the next day.

which 1?

dunnstral who died n4 or nahdia who died n4?

I guess you are talking about desp. who died pre-n4?

[pirate mollie]

The triple Nk was a lot but Kagami was essentially mod confirmed scum in return...

Apparently only Kats got that message btw

thnx for sending it to cupcake!

the person who fakeclaimed a guilty. thnx

lord I am so salty

[pirate mollie]

Anyway, Desperado is silenced & he has a guilty on Kagami.

No, it's a Kagami came up as a Rabbit Mystic kind of guilty.

I think this is what he's talking about. Nahdia wasn't supposed to know this

where was this? cos I wanna know

[pirate mollie]

No, it's a Kagami came up as a Rabbit Mystic kind of guilty.

nm its here

eta: I am truly sorry nahdia

[pirate mollie]

i was prime mislynch bait and got myself nightkilled instead.

lying worked

.

a good lesson for children.

Its okay to post from your alt

[pirate mollie]

Fate's point: the roleswap which got me to be NK'd while being mislynch bait caused a player who failed to notice something in particular to live longer than one who noticed one of the mafia members was confirmed.

Your point: Town shouldn't lie, there are non-lying ways to achieve being NK'd as mislynch bait. which has nothing to do with anything about what Fate said.

I am sorry I missed desp's guilty

[pirate mollie]

i was prime mislynch bait and got myself nightkilled instead.

lying worked

.

a good lesson for children.

Its okay to post from your alt

[pirate mollie]

Nahdia, You are right. You are much better than me.

I am sorry I went along with it.

I think you cld have pulled out a win.

[pirate mollie]

but you're failing to understand what I'm getting at in the first place and I don't know why

it's simple:

things could have gone BETTER if you didn't do what you did, how you can you not see that possibility?

Things cld have been better if you didn't block the cop.

Leave nahdia alone

Eta: where are all of the guilties that fate did not delete

[pirate mollie]

May I plz have the guilties