In Memory

[Postie]

Well it stops kills being blocked so hypothetically if delayed death was seen as blocking a kill it could bypass it? It probably wouldn't though. Doesn't really matter since dreal claimed not to be a Strongman.

[Postie]

Either way I doubt we'll be able to figure it out today.
What's your read on Gamma? Sorting him is my top priority today.

[Postie]

The missing night 1 is because of Creature's (I presume passive) ability.

[Postie]

Creature has been revealed as

The Sun

.

The sun has returned and the day will continue!

They're not. We have no reason to think they are. Stop making things more complicated than they need to be.

[Postie]

@postie : I know the sun stuff. creature confirmed he was the reason or not?

I don't remember. I think the flavour is confirmation enough though.

@Creature

- Do you know if the missing night was down to you?

[Postie]

Oh don't worry they did.

[Postie]

oO

what is that RC?

Flavour for the day 1 lynch?

[Postie]

Ew I'm in the same tier as Gamma?
Can whoever shipped me with Gamma ship me with FA because that would be helpful. Or DEO because I'm not really sure what they could possibly tell me to convince me Gamma is town.

[Postie]

why your first guess was VIG?

Oh wait you mean why I assumed it was a vig and not a scum kill? Because I don't understand why scum would kill Lycan; would've been the easiest mislynch for today.

[Postie]

No.

How come you're townreading Klingon?

[Postie]

she has the role I designed and that makes no sense for scum utility

Has literally been featured in a game RC modded as scum role before.

she is not the fake KC she is as scum her

What does this mean?

[Postie]

why are you voteless ?

Why are you flavour fishing?

[Postie]

which one of the slots in that game?

Gammagooey, The Transistor.

now your turn to answer.

why are you voteless?

I townread you enough that I'd be willing to tell you in a neighbourhood but not in the main game thread.

[Postie]

what was your relation to lycan's death?

N/A

[Postie]

zefind is prob town

Why?

[Postie]

this is your case against gamma or things get more intresting when I read more?

I haven't cased him yet but that's essentially the tl;dr.

[Postie]

I'm going to get some sleep now but I'll make a nice paraphrased version of everything from the Ghostie hood when I wake up.

[Postie]

@2651 yes I know what we are telling Postie got through. All I will say on that.

Your way of "confirming" the message got through doesn't actually eliminate the possibility the message was tampered with and said something completely different by the time it got to me. I don't think it was because I see no reason for scum to risk changing anything it at this point, but you should have no confidence that important details in messages will reach me in the future.
And I still want to know why you think Gamma's town.

[Postie]

@Postie is gamma not answering specific questions, is he just being silent or what? Some context would be great.

He's answering all my questions; he's just answering them in the vaguest way he possibly can. I can't even begin to comprehend how a towny could answer my questions in the way he's been answering them unless they straight-up weren't paying any attention the game. And I'm not ruling that out as a possibility, since he said he was demotivated, but if that's the case then I don't understand why he wouldn't just replace out.
I'm going to start writing up a paraphrased version of everything in our hood. I'll keep things as close to what was originally said as I can without breaking any rules.

[Postie]

On second thought that may have to wait until Gamma clears up something he said in the PT.

[Postie]

So one thing is pretty clear to me one of FA and Drealmerz is probably scum and if FA is then Postie is.

~~Math

Both FA and dreal are town and interpreting the "look believable" comment as a scumslip makes very little sense.

[Postie]

Kuroi if you're voting dreal then please explain why scum would claim they'd vig'd the person they'd nightkilled, and why scum would ever kill Lycan of all people.

[Postie]

I don't think Town has to "look believable".

Raise your hands if you think that is the case because Town cares about lynching scum.

~~Math

I said that to postie to arouse her to make her answer to my questions as fast as possible to not make up shit (was trying to imply I have a guilty on her)

[Postie]

I don't either but the intention was clearly to act suspicious of me to load on the pressure. The chances of anyone scumslipping that hard in the main thread are slim to none.

[Postie]

I don't wanna sound like it's so easy to grasp but the three of them as the remaining scumteam actually make a lot of sense to me.

Nearly everyone who has ever said this has been wrong.

I also don't like how you ignore Postie's post of in essence what you are accusing me of if you scumread me.

Also this. So much this.

[Postie]

I believe Math is referring to 2222, zefiend.

[Postie]

We're just flat-out not lynching dreal today, FA, sorry.
zefiend/Gamma/Vax are your options.

[Postie]

why pushing him is not allowed?

Oh, no, that's fine. He's just not getting lynched.

[Postie]

You were calling him scum so I thought that was the intention. But I guess calling people scum to put pressure on them is just what you do. Carry on.

[Postie]

Because he's not scum and at least one of zefiend/Gamma/Vax is.

[Postie]

Because reasons.

[Postie]

Guh, FA, I can understand your reasons for voting dreal but at the same time he's just not scum. It's a tonal thing I'm having a hard time explaining but just like all of his reactions and how they're happening feel extremely genuine.

[Postie]

meta reasons?

No. Just like when scum fake rage and emotional reactions it usually feels two-dimensional and I'm not getting that here.

[Postie]

Have you considered Drealmerz being an SK? His behavior isn't protown, but I have never seen a vig claim be groupscum in years if ever. His replies at the start of this day did not seem like groupscum.

Oh god. Ugh. How about we lynch zefiend or Vax, then come back to this once we have a better idea of how many kills are flying about at night?

so I will likely be shooting The DEO if we don't lynch them

You're getting tunnelvision. I've seen a fair bit of Math outside of Mafia games and I know for a fact they aren't a terrible person who would be willing to pull the kind of bullshit you've suggesting scum!Math would to have pulled here. If you shoot DEO, people will want to lynch you tomorrow. That is, if they don't lynch you today for threatening to shoot DEO.
Here's a better plan: you kill whichever one of zefiend/Vax is still alive at the end of today, saving us from having to lynch them tomorrow. We also decide your night 4 shot today, meaning that if they're scum then the scumteam will be forced to kill you tonight.
Sound like a better idea?

[Postie]

Dreal, I'm the one person hardtownreading you here and willing to work with you, so I'd appreciate if you listened to my input.

If you choose to shoot The DEO:

• A protective role will likely protect them, because they are widely townread, and so you'll waste a shot.
  
• You will be lynched tomorrow because no one has a reason to believe you're town.

If you shoot whichever one of zefiend/Vax is left alive:

• No one will protect them because they're going to be lynched anyway, which means your shot will go through unless scum have a doctor.
  
• You spare us the trouble of having to lynch them tomorrow.
  
• You prove you're willing to work with town and probably won't be lynched that day.

I get that you have your own scumreads that you'd rather shoot, but can you see why I'm suggesting this and why it's important?

[Postie]

I've seen a fair bit of Math outside of Mafia games and I know for a fact they aren't a terrible person who would be willing to pull the kind of bullshit you've suggesting scum!Math would to have pulled here.

Referring to pantsgate.

As for FA; you should take a look at Creeps' ISO. He was bleeding newbtown.

[Postie]

I have no clue what the sunburn ability is and it seemed to be used early on. It doesn't seem to have done anything. So I think it is a scum ability as most town abilities are doc and Vigilante. And I don't see a player using doc like that.

Newbtown role logic.

Yes that is starting to annoy me.

Well I will Bandwagon for now. But if I see anything fishy about this I am off

Newbtown suspicion.

[Postie]

I really don't see newbscum making the "if I see anything fishy about this I am off" comment. It implies suspicion with the kind of subtlety I wouldn't expect newbscum to have mastered, especially given how awkward the rest of his posting is.

[Postie]

smith, your posting isn't what I remember from town!you. Talk to me?

[Postie]

I really don't see newbscum making the "if I see anything fishy about this I am off" comment. It implies suspicion with the kind of subtlety I wouldn't expect newbscum to have mastered, especially given how awkward the rest of his posting is.

that is not any sort of "mastery" AT ALL as I see it
that's like, basic scum101 positioning

Not really. I'd expect newbscum to just get on and say why or stay off and say why, not... that. Idk but when I read it from a scum PoV and then a town PoV the town PoV wins out and I just can't for the life of me see how he's type that as scum.

[Postie]

No I just want to see non-lazy posting from you. You usually obvtown really quickly and you're not doing that here and it's worrying.

[Postie]

Postie if you have a case for why I'm scum please share so I can address it. Otherwise quit insinuating that I am a lynch choice today based on no reasons.

As I've already said, I'm waiting for you to address the concerns me and The DEO brought up.

[Postie]

I also don't like how you ignore Postie's post of in essence what you are accusing me of if you scumread me.

Also this. So much this.

I believe Math is referring to 2222, zefiend.

^^^
This needs an answer, zef.

[Postie]

dreal is complete obvtown pls. Or at the very least not mafia. zefiend continues to dodge the elephant in the room.

[Postie]

rereading but if anyone has questions in the meantime then @ me

Are you scum? Because you sound like scum.

[Postie]

Oh btw I may as well say this now since I don't want dreal to do a dumb and shoot him - Kuroi supermegatownslipped somewhere. I'm not gonna point where or what is, but don't worry, it'll find it's way to you guys if I die.

[Postie]

PS Out of curiosity, have you EVER gotten a useful answer from "are you scum"?

Not that I can remember, but it never hurts to ask.

[Postie]

postie, and others, tell me more about smith as you can

Don't have much experience with him. All I can say is that he usually obvtowns extremely quickly and the fact he isn't doing that here I'm finding very worrying.

[Postie]

If I didn't have an overall townread on you I'd probably be suspicious; the last time I was asked that was in Rio by Phighter (who was scum). Super easy question for scum to ask to look busy.

Then... why bring it up at all? For the record I have asked this question several times as town before, and pulling tells out of a tiny sample size of games (in this case, 1) is still as terrible of an idea as it was when Titus did it on day 1.

and he's always town when he obvtowns?

I've only seen his town game, unfortunately. And I mean obvtown in the sense of actual completely obvious town, not just "very towny-looking". I might have to metadive him to see if town!smith is capable of producing the kind-of coasty disengaged stuff he's been posting here (inb4 pointless zefiend rant).

[Postie]

btw, is there some kind of theme attached to the other hoods?

I take it there's one attached to yours.

[Postie]

What's your read on smith then, Jae?

[Postie]

Would you say he'd make a good vig target?

[Postie]

Klingoncelt hasn't been doing much either. :/

[Postie]

Hmmn, your reads are quite similar to mine. I'm like 95% sure Kuroi's town based on the slip I noticed though.

[Postie]

the ethics of tactics

Actually I don't remember you telling anyone about this at all. If you have, please point me to it, otherwise I want to know

exactly

what you think of MathBlade supposedly doing this.

[Postie]

Alright. Three days. We should be consolidating.

VOTE: DEO

This isn't happening. Move your vote somewhere else.

[Postie]

Vax is an infinitely better lynch.

[Postie]

2222 / 2224

[Postie]

...That can easily be faked.

The question is not whether or not it can, but whether or not Math is shitty enough person to do so. I believe not.

[Postie]

I really think vax is town - the Ttyll game I was in with him he played the exact same way and it's not a meta-read it's just a "that's him making crap cases as town" - I suppose I should go find some links from that game of posts he made similar to posts here and how scummybadtown they are

What's stopping him from playing the same way as scum?

[Postie]

I mentioned that I have witnessed people do some pretty unbelievable stuff to win mafia games.

If my family died and I told you about it you could accuse me of having murdered them because "I've heard of people murdering their families before".
Why wouldn't you? Because you have no reason to believe I'm a shitty enough person to do that.

So I'll put this another way - what evidence do you have that what you're alleging is in line with Math's character as a person?

Because I can present you with plenty of evidence of them being an exceptionally kind human being and this therefore not making any sense in the context of what I know of them.

[Postie]

That's not even meta though. And my question to him still stands.

[Postie]

Or, I mean, I guess it is in some ways, but not in way zefiend's thinking of it. I wouldn't be referring to "stuff Math did in past games".

[Postie]

let's assume The DEO IS scum for a minute: the thing with lycan happens as it does - what do you think MB does IF THEY STILL GENUINELY THINK THEY COULD BE BEING STALKED? do they just ignore it, not make it an issue - and so them making it an issue makes them town? I don't quite follow it all

No, of course not, but I don't think they'd continue to address the issue in the way they did after the slot was lynched. I'll try and dig up some more quotes.
Either way though, this isn't what zefiend has been arguing. I might have understood if this was his line of thought. But it's not. He's straight-up arguing that this was faked reasoning, while trying to skirt around the implications of what that means.

[Postie]

faked reasoning

Well, it'd be faked either way if Math were scum, but you know what I mean.

[Postie]

GS

What's GS?

[Postie]

Wow.

[Postie]

If dreal is Mafia here I'm nomming him for a scummy. I don't buy he could possibly fake the way his emotions have developed across the game.

[Postie]

0. Though I'm not sure how that's relevant.

[Postie]

Well I don't have a large enough sample size to be able to properly back anything up yet, but I do have a numbering system for how confident I am in my reads that I hope to be able to use to get statistics on how often I'm right at some point in the future. Maybe you'll get what you want the next time we play together.

Anyway, town's kinda drifting all over the place. I'm not sure how to fix this.

[Postie]

Pretty sure boring was scum. Unclaimed self-janitor = scum.

Kuroi, who are you scumreading outside of dreal/DEO?

[Postie]

I think the flavour strongly suggests it was a self-janitor. It's designed specifically to apply to Arwen and Arwen only.

[Postie]

Gamma's V/LA sucks balls because I really want him to answer my question in the hood. I'm fine with his lynch if he doesn't show back up in time to give me a towny response though.

[Postie]

Apparently Gamma has been prodded.

I disagree that zefiend producing content is a good reason to keep him alive. We need town to be cohesive, and zefiend is compromising that. Given how stubborn he was about not joining the RM wagon I don't doubt there's a good chance he'll just tunnel DEO all game and not give us anything else useful.

[Postie]

Postie the thing is, you're not incorrect, but of the lot I still think zef is showing the most actual attempts to gamesolve despite that, which means he's more likely to be town.

Quotes and why you think they're genuine examples of game-solving? All I'm seeing is a relentless tunnel on DEO and refusal to accept any other viewpoints.

[Postie]

Honestly? I don't have the energy after everything else. I don't have a confident enough townread that I feel like defending it. I feel drained from defending my hard TRs today already from each other.

Fair enough. I'm just getting really, really, bad feels from that slot so >.<

*hugs also*

[Postie]

FWIW, while I don't especially love vax, he is showing some decent paranoia at 2887 and later, as well as at 2011, and 2651 reads like an actual attempt to think through the game state.

Those first two don't really read like paranoia to me; looks more like generic discrediting. The wallpost is IIoA.

[Postie]

Actually it's not completely IIoA. There are some decent thoughts at the bottom. I agree that it reads kinda like he's really thinking. Hmmn.

[Postie]

postie try voting someone just to prove you can't vote today

We're going to have this every day, aren't we?

VOTE: Postie

[Postie]

The OMGUS feels vaguely town but dear god both of those posts are pinging the fuck out of me.

[Postie]

I just want DEO to consolidate their reads and stop contradicting thier selves (half the head says the think someones scum and the other half doesn't) It's a big deal because every time something comes up, the other head speaks up and says "that was titus/mathblade, that wasn't me"... but it WAS you. You are hive mind, you are hydra.
This is why I want pressure on DEO

If they can't do that, they need to be lynched, because scum!DEO can just keep on skating on through this game this way.

I mean

this

is all you could come up with after 126 pages of content? Like really?

[Postie]

But like, there's really

nothing

else for you to comment on?

[Postie]

The OMGUS feels vaguely town but dear god both of those posts are pinging the fuck out of me.

I don't feel any emotion behind the omgus. How are you reading it as town?

Because you're obviously not going to be lynched so it seems silly for him to vote there if he wants to survive. Could just be bad scum though.

[Postie]

No, not at all. I don't buy that town!Vax walked in here after the billions of pages that were posted since he disappeared and 3128 and 3131 are the only game-relevant things he could think to say.

[Postie]

VOTE: zefiend
VOTE: zefiend
VOTE: zefiend

[Postie]

I totally mistook Kuroi's gladiator crumb for a friendly neighbour crumb because of the interactions with Jae. Bet scum did too.

[Postie]

Was dreal blocked or was he just dumb enough to shoot Kuroi after I told him what a terrible idea that was?

[Postie]

Oh. Claiming your shot is slightly more excusable then.

[Postie]

Vax: Hey guys, let's not lynch FA!
-After getting lolhammered-
Vax: FA is at the bottom of my reads now.

Also yeah let's talk about this.

[Postie]

What's your read on Alisae?

Town! Not like super town, but out-of-my-lynchpool-for-now town.

[Postie]

btw, does anyone who knows math know whether derp-hammering like that is at all AI for them? Like, is this something she does as either alingment normally, neither alignment normally, etc.? It seems kind of odd that they'd throw down a vote near majority without double-checking the votes, but idk if that's just a sloppy playstyle kind of thing and I shouldn't read into it.

Nice shade, scum

Let's play a game called "Was Vax distancing or did someone tell him to lay false associatives?"

[Postie]

His end of day stuff is all going to be wifom. Probably better to look at earlier associates.

Yeah but his play was sloppy as fuck so I don't buy that he's skilled enough to actually pull off WIFOM in a competent way.

What's the smoking gun on zef?

The way he dodged the Vax wagon was pretty sus. Other than that I just have this weird feeling in my gut that I've only ever gotten when someone's been scum and also ~meta reasons~ I don't wanna go into. I know that's not very helpful to you but oh my god I just want zef dead so badly.

[Postie]

Dude is a loose cannon at best.

I mean I agree but I don't think he's scum at all (in fact, I'm pretty certain of it), and when he claimed his shot it sounded like he was claiming 1-shot so I think we're fine keeping him around?

[Postie]

16) Be nice, and try to enjoy yourself.

[Postie]

Alisae

?

[Postie]

you bused RM and now you oopsie-hammered the next scumbuddy

I don't know about Math but Titus never busses.

[Postie]

I've never seen them derphammer before. And I know; I wouldn't rule out them pulling a derphammer move as scum since that's a small enough change that came at a time when the slot was pretty screwed anyway, but bussing RM from the beginning would be insanely out of character. That's just not how Titus plays, ever.

[Postie]

Not bussing, especially when it comes to early game,

is

an approach.

[Postie]

Yeah, fair enough. I was just referring to Titus' meta.

[Postie]

You are the best vig target though.

[Postie]

Yeah, not particularly townreading Klingon right now.
I still want zefiend dead today though.

[Postie]

What about it? It makes sense to me, if that's what you're asking. It should make sense to you too.

[Postie]

Postie - Guess I never played with scum!Postie and I sorf of feel she must play like FA
[...]
The DEO - Ugh, if not Smackdown, maybe I'd be more sure
ɀefiend - Hard to sort
[...]
Clemency JaeReed - Easy to sort

So what do you read these players as?

[Postie]

By now Titus should be tunneling the hell out of someone, with others in the PT circle voting for that player.

I was in that Suikoden game she referenced. Scum was annihilated, I survived until Day 4. That Day went fast. They all did.

There's some major ass-dragging in this game. Lots of messages going around, but no real gamethread work.

Uh, there's a zefiend wagon. Join us.

[Postie]

You might be town for that reaciton.

No.

[Postie]

You haven't fullclaimed tbf. And I actually agree that FA is super town here.

[Postie]

Is that a post restriction or you trying to crumb something in the least subtle way possible?

[Postie]

Okay I'll just assume post restriction for now.

[Postie]

@_@

Can you tell us why you're writing like that then?

[Postie]

No I mean like the Brazil stuff and

it becomes mental-strategic-maneuvering of folds and folds of complexity and dynamics and associations all rolled into one glorious beast of a game and it is up to town to parse the poisoned wine from the pure

or view it like GENERALS IN BATTLE

or MASTERS OF CHESS

depths of moves to maneuver and anticipate and position for and against

whatever the hell this is

[Postie]

I don't believe FA is saying that we're scum, DEO; I think what FA means is just that we're either both town or both scum. Correct me if I'm wrong, FA.

[Postie]

Conditional Exit 1SBP

*coughthirdpartyclaimcough*

[Postie]

zefiend being a Lyncher would make a lot of sense tbh.

[Postie]

The first page of the setup says the only 3P possible is an SK.

Oh.

Unless you wish to assume scum shot Lycanfire.

Why would he have been vanillised if scum didn't plan to shoot him?

Also I don't follow the rest of what you're saying.

[Postie]

idgi.

[Postie]

6) Hider
7) Babysitter
8) Scum choosing to No Kill

[Postie]

No one has claimed roleblocked so eliminate that.

Why would scum claim to have been roleblocked though? How would they even know they were roleblocked if their kill failed because of a roleblock and they weren't using another night action?

[Postie]

6 >> Why would anyone hide behind Lycanfire?

I don't think you understand how hider works. If they hid behind Lycanfire they would be dead. Obviously they would have hidden behind someone else.

[Postie]

If scum target a hider and fail the argument still stands that scum would know they submitted a kill and that player didn't die.

~~Math

So...?

[Postie]

Then when scum see RC alive they would try to get RC lynched because they couldn't kill RC.

This is a silly argument. I've had a kill fail before as scum and I did not instantly go after that person the next day.
Sometimes people are targeted for a nightkill exactly because scum don't know how to get them lynched.

[Postie]

What makes you think scum

haven't

been pushing for their missing kill target to get lynched anyway?

[Postie]

Still not following. How does that quote or anything you're saying change this...?

This is a silly argument. I've had a kill fail before as scum and I did not instantly go after that person the next day.
Sometimes people are targeted for a nightkill exactly because scum don't know how to get them lynched.

[Postie]

Because in a game where scum are behind on kills already a person who is unkillable for whatever reason is literally the name to scum's existence.

Or they assume it was or likely was a 1-shot ability, or down to a doctor, jailkeeper, etc. rather than that the player is literally completely night-kill immune?

[Postie]

JaeReed's role makes very little sense to give to scum. Like think about how scum would use it and how redundant that would make half of it.

[Postie]

Are you saying it reads like distancing to you or...? It reads pretty genuine to me. Either way Jae just isn't scum though, so.

[Postie]

It reads like explain N2.

How? @_@

[Postie]

As long as we vote mhsmith or zefiend, I am fine but I am worried.

Yes. Please.

[Postie]

Oh look, an OMGUS vote.

Do you think the vote is alignment indicative?

[Postie]

Titus and Math, please coordinate and get your shit together ASAP. You've been faffing around for almost half the day now and it's not doing anyone any favours.

[Postie]

Have my vote today.
Who would you like?

UNVOTE:

Yay! zefiend please!

[Postie]

Oh look, an OMGUS vote.

Do you think the vote is alignment indicative?

I think they're Scum for several reasons.

That doesn't answer my question.

[Postie]

Sure. And this is scummy how?

[Postie]

Can we just lynch zefiend

[Postie]

Everyone vote DEO today, then lynch Alisae Day 5.

I'm actually inclined to believe KC is town here but please for the love of god vig this slot.

[Postie]

We should vig whoever is not lynched out of mhsmith zefiend.

That's good too.

[Postie]

Wait, zef's at L-1?

p-edit omg

[Postie]

Math, what if the Bulletproof claim is a fakeclaim and the person who stopped the kill either didn't know they stopped it or doesn't want to out their role?

[Postie]

That person would be arguing adamantly in their "gut" zefiend was lying or scum. Neither of those are happen. People believe it sure but no one is adamant about it enough for that to be the case.

Because no one is tunneling I don't buy that.
~~Math

But what if they didn't

know

they stopped it? I can't think of any off the top of my head but I'm sure it's possible to have a role like that.

Ehh. Either way I'm fine lynching smith at this point too I guess.

[Postie]

You should have no problem voting zefiend then, dreal.

[Postie]

so it is zefiend

interesting...

If you think the zefiend is FA's buddy then lynching him should suit you fine.

[Postie]

you're just itchy for the zefiend lynch

Yup.

[Postie]

Apathy is pro-scum. Let's get the zefiend lynch over with. I don't see a reason to drag this out.

[Postie]

apathy is pro scum?

ummm, no, apathy is Days that go on too long, scum or town

postie are you a lyncher?

pro-scum = anti-town
As in, it helps scum. I didn't say

scummy

.

[Postie]

Gee I wonder why it's so difficult to lynch zefiend
It wouldn't be anything to do with his alignment would it

[Postie]

Hey mhsmith, you said you didn't want to lynch zefiend because he was V/LA, right?
You have no excuses now.

[Postie]

mhsmith dies today.

Jae has a role that allows them to visit someone each night and gain a neighbourhood with them for that night and day phase, as well as "upgrading" their ability to a better one as long as they're together.

Jae visited me on the (missing) night 1 and my ability was boosted from a weakened version of a flavour cop that only gives me clues about a person's flavour, to a full flavour cop.

Jae visited me again last night and I found out from them that they visited mhsmith on night 2 and mhsmith claimed not only to be flavour cop, but that his flavour cop was boosted to a fucking role cop.
mhsmith also apparently tried to convince Jae to stay with him another night by suggesting that maybe the next night he'd become a full cop or some bullshit.

VOTE: mhsmith0

Lynch this with fucking fire.

[Postie]

Is it a really damning action?

Jae's ability strengthens people's abilities, it doesn't change them into a

completely different goddamn ability

.
Also there aren't two flavour cops in this set-up. There just aren't.

[Postie]

tried to convince Jae to stay with him another night by suggesting that maybe the next night he'd become a full cop

And this is scumclaim, btw.

[Postie]

I can confirm that Alisae's flavour is Slaking but even if you're a flavour checker, you're still scum.

[Postie]

it was ENTIRELY reasonable to think that I'd get a bigger boost

To a

cop

? No.

[Postie]

I wonder if we should make JaeReed target Postie to see if she'll be promoted to role cop.

He already targeted me twice and no, I just upgrade to a regular flavour cop.

[Postie]

*They, sorry

[Postie]

mhsmith, you need to claim your full results for everyone else you checked. If you claim you only used your ability on Alisae this entire game, we're turbolynching you.

[Postie]

Oh yeah you only had your flavour check one night. Ugh.

[Postie]

dreal is town.

[Postie]

drealmerz where's your shot?

still in my pocket

Why?

[Postie]

because we have a good number of players left and 1 scum and I thought tempered action was better

I also thought I could be the NK and didn't want to missfire and get 2 dead townies overNight, best to hold on to it I thought

by N6 if we are still going it will be much more useful, imo

I understand what you were thinking but also Klingon needs to die. I don't think that slot is going to obvtown themselves any time soon.

[Postie]

@postie: I went back to hood. I specifically speculated about MULTIPLE possibilities, alignment cop, super watcher, tracker+follower. Did jaereed claim I just said it would likely be alignment cop?

No, he mentioned super watcher and tracker+follower too. It's still scummy af though.

[Postie]

*they

[Postie]

Also postie, I think you were the one talking about "it's an RC game" wrt potential weirdness. Why does it seem unlikely for town to have duplicate crappy investigative powers (since flavor checker is basically useless)? That seems like an odd structure, but I don't see the balance issues with it. Why do you assume that it's any kind of important competing claims?

Fair point. My suspicion stems from a combination of the uselessness of it (if you're going to give out a useless role, why do it

twice

?) and the fact you're claiming a stronger version of my ability that gets boosted into something even stronger while I just get to be boosted into a role you already have. Your claim just makes my role and the option of boosting it seem really redundant.

[Postie]

Why? If I'm scum, and I'm getting a big investigative, that locks me into a set of claims right?

Of course you wouldn't

actually

claim you got boosted into a full cop or whatever. It's just scummy because you want the boost

way

too much.

[Postie]

Yeah it does seem weird. Otoh I actually did have a specific odd night action that makes a lot of sense to have used as town (I admit that I asked drealz to claim before I outed, but the motive of potentially trapping him in a lie, after endorsing a Kuroi shot as being acceptable, seems fairly obvious), and again I'm claiming I get to do it again tonight (potentially on someone who claims some kind of active night ability, which if they're scum presumable wouldn't be something where their action shows up but their kill doesn't).

And you wouldn't do any of this as scum because?

[Postie]

that made sense given the info at hand

No it didn't. You

really

thought it was possible you'd go from what you were to a full cop?

Really?

[Postie]

Sure, it seemed possible.

Flavor checker is a garbage ability, role cop is a slid ability.

Follower is a solid ability, a similar sized boost would be... well, there aren't really many options, but SOMETHING better than role cop seemed likely.

Ignoring any of your own role info, given only the info that I had on hand, why do you think that's unreasonable?

What did you think would happen if Jae stayed another night after that? Autowin the game?
I don't buy that you wouldn't see how horribly unbalanced and game-breaking it would be to just keep exponentially increasing someone's power.

[Postie]

Ugh. I'm not nearly as sure about you being scum as I was last night but like there's so much that seems to

kind-of

just about make sense but also feels slightly off.

I really wish Klingon had been shot because it would make everything so much easier.

[Postie]

why would there be 2 scum in a hood with 3 people?

I guess because I'm harry houdini and I can escape ANYTHING

I mean, why

wouldn't

there be two scum in a 3p hood? There's two hoods. If we could just assume there was only ever one scum in a hood then that would potentially leave us with 4 confirmed townies if the scum died first.

[Postie]

It would also potentially explain why zefiend didn't feel like talking in there. Being in a hood with a buddy of yours and a townie thirdwheeling has got to be an awkward situation.

[Postie]

I mean it probably doesn't make all that much sense from a scum PoV either but if you're town here why would you give town evidence to support a reason you could be scum?

[Postie]

Why wouldn't I? It's not my job to read myself correctly

But it is your job to convince us you're town.

[Postie]

there's a difference between being super lazy about hood presence (like he was there) and literally pretending that you don't exist in the hood

Who says he was being lazy there and not tactical? With the hood in this game being 3p instead of 4p, it would make sense that the lessened breathing room could make him resort to a more extreme version of what he did before.

[Postie]

smith is my 3rd strongest TR btw

Why?

[Postie]

It's my job to give you the info you need to read me

How does the info you brought up help us read you correctly?

[Postie]

It's also inherently weird that he'd have avoided hood if his buddy was Deimos (a newbie who might need help)

If scum have daytalk then this isn't a problem.

[Postie]

Also it's kinda funny to flagrantly being up zef meta after zef spent a bunch of time bitching about people bringing up meta

My reasons for scumreading him where partially meta-based too. =]

[Postie]

I just woke up and read this

drealm is probably SK after all with no extra kill.

If your town you had a single job and that was to shoot someone - even me - to confirm yourself as vig after 3 scum death and you didn't.

VOTE: Drealmz

Not buying this crap anymore.

Read the whole thread first please. Also we're not lynching dreal.

[Postie]

Malachite needs to post and there are sufficient question marks over mhsmith that I still want them dead.

[Postie]

Thinking about lynching your slot how about you?

[Postie]

I see we have your blessing. Neato.

[Postie]

Malachite tends to lurk as scum IIRC so things aren't looking great for that slot.

[Postie]

Btw, I don't think postie is scum, but I'd suggest people avoid flavor claiming until she's claimed her flavor checks. I'd like some kind of verification that she actually has done what she said she was able to do.

Already claimed all my results to FA.

[Postie]

FA, what do you make of Malachite joining the game and then promptly vanishing?

[Postie]

I can't decide if I want Malachite or smith dead more now.
dreal why didn't you use your shot why did you have to prolong this suffering

[Postie]

Mala talk to me about what do you think about alisae and mhsmith and your life

how have you been!

Seeking a replacement for Malachite.

[Postie]

Oh right yeah hold up how much time elapsed between the prod and the replacement
Because if the replace-out was on request then yeah that's doubly shady

[Postie]

Oh gg I guess

[Postie]

VOTE: Malachite

Bye felicia

[Postie]

Jae <3
Glad you trusted yourself on this one. ^^

I get the feeling Kuroi isn't gonna let me live this one down after what I said.

[Postie]

I think you did really well still. I believe the only reason you didn't discount d7's emotional stuff was a lack of experience with him.

I really really really respect you as a player for your ability to read people on an emotional level. I think you should be proud of that tbh. Also it's something that I still felt somewhat comfortable with you as a pseudo-masonry.

I'm sorry I got you killed. I could have ended the game a lot earlier and I did have the hood going to FA on the night D7 tried to kill me but I changed it to stay with you. Sorry <3

Awwwwwwww.

I'm totally pocketing you if I ever roll scum in a game where you're town.

Meh. I was way overconfident in my dreal read. I definitely should have re-ISO'd him a couple of times rather than writing him off as obvtown and not putting any more thought into it. But I also learned a lot from it! When I can't point to really specific things that make someone town and instead just get a ~feeling~ they are, that's usually when I screw up, and this will help me keep that in mind more.

The frustrations I had with the whole meta argument were sincere. I understand that we all have friends and/or favorites on the site but those relationships shouldn't have such a dramatic effect on gameplay. Respectfully, if you limit yourself to playing within certain confines, you are ultimately weakening your overall abilities as a player to deceive and manipulate.

I believed you were sincere. What I scumread was you substituting those frustrations for comments on the game-state. I've done that as scum; it's an easy way to produce content that seems game-relevant without actually doing any game-solving.

[Postie]

Oh my god Jae stop apologising for everything you did great <3<3

[Postie]

I can say from experience that this is an extremely unpleasant thing.

*hugs*

[Postie]

No I hammered Malachite and then died.

[Postie]

Postie I love you too but please don't pull of an RC. Thats for RC!

I wasn't trying to I'm just dumb.

[Postie]

Just read the dead thread. For the record, I agree that dreal's play was way over the line. Personal attacks of that nature are never okay, whether or not you're using them to play to your wincon. I was half expecting a force replacement at one or two points.

Also, RC, minor quibble but since you've given us the option of not releasing PTs this game, I don't think you should have posted that quote from the Fusion hood in the dead PT. I don't mind the topic being released so it doesn't really bug me, but it's good practice to avoid doing that.

[Postie]

Oh shit I actually said that didn't I

[Postie]

Yeah if I ever make scumreads based on bad set-up spec again please hit me over the head
Actually just hit me over the head if I try to set-up spec

[Postie]

Setup spec isn't bad per se.

Yeah but the problem is I'm bad at it.