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[mastina]

Yo. I saw the game was kinda dead.
I saw that scum were dangerously close to winning.
I saw that Pepchoninga, a slot I knew was going to be town, was open.
So I couldn't resist taking it.

Now mind you!
The only pages I've read here are 53 and 54.

On those pages, I got a strong townread on KMD and on MS Columbo.
I've got the whole game to read. But if those townreads hold, I only need one more townread in order to lock this game down and get a town win, because within Mathblade/Almost50/malpasc/McMenno, we have the scum. Absolute worst case scenario, three scum but I caught wind from the other game you're expecting 1-2 scum. Still, seven alive means that if I can get a townread on so much as one of those names, we win.

For what it's worth: I was heavily scumreading Mathblade and had a reasonable scumread on malpasc from those two pages, but it's not exactly like Almost50/McMenno were shining beacons of towniness these last two pages.

But, that's what the rest of the game is for, I suppose!

Quick things I need to know:
-Who alive was in the other game, and at what points?
-Which members of the victorious scumteam were in this game, and at what points?
-Who has replaced who? Especially the scum.

I intend to read the whole thread anyway, but these things are things which could save me a lot of time/effort.

[mastina]

For what it's worth: Almost50 is the manager this game, yes?
I happen to think there's a rather significant chance he's town for that alone.
Yes I know there was word of one manager as town and the other as scum, but if one were to have been scum, it'd probably have been in the other game, but we know that's not the case, so.

[mastina]

Wanna throw out a name or two?
It would have to be nero, chara, myself, mcmenno, or ms columbo. leon isn't here and narna was the NK.

For the record: I think that with Leon unable to be lynched in this game thanks to the draft, that the wagon was all town, and thus the kill on Narna.

If there was a second scum on the lynch, why would they intentionally narrow down the pool of possible scum on there?
We know Nero's town. I'm hard-townreading KMD.
That'd leave Almost50/McMenno/Ms Columbo.

I'm also hating basically everything malpascp is giving content-wise, and McMenno's vote there doesn't look like bussing, so.

[mastina]

Titus was scum, KMD.
I'm not sure if the scum between games shared chats, but if they did, then she would have been QUITE aware of the VCA patterns and told her team to not narrow down the lynch pool if one of their own was a potential victim. But with Leonshade gone, if the rest of the wagon was town, they could fire away.

[mastina]

Given that the other thread was closed, and given that the other scumteam (ALL of the other scumteam) avoided commenting, I think it quite likely that they were in fact in communication. I mean, I suppose it's possible they weren't, and just knew each other.
Or they weren't, didn't know each other, but Leonshade informed them.

But being in communication makes sense to me.

Couldn't hurt to ask the mod, though.

Mod: did the scumteams between games have the ability to communicate with each other?

[mastina]

As of the bottom of page 23, my reads look something like this:
Kmd
Ms Columbo
Almost50
McMenno
Mathblade
malpascp.

[mastina]

....Mastina...WTF is this? Mal's content has been golden especially because...reasons.

Yeah, sorry, but whatever bullshit you're implying malpascp has access to, I don't give a damn at this point.

I think you're scum.
I think malpascp is scum.
If either is wrong, McMenno would be scum.

But malpascp's posting has been awful.
And none of your posting has been remotely town.

Efforts to convince me Kmd or Almost50 are scum will fail. (Almost50 probably actually belongs above MS Columbo.)

Your efforts will be absolutely wasted there.
You can convince me that you're not scum--unlikely, but you could.
You could maybe convince me one of McMenno/MS Columbo would be scum.
Sure as fuck aren't getting me to buy them both though.

[mastina]

Yeah sorry, but that's just wrong on every possible level.

Mathblade/malpascp here is the scumteam, especially given Mathblade's refusal to out malpascp.

[mastina]

You're not the only one who can (fake) be(ing) smug.

[mastina]

Yep. That was my one shot. No regrets.
Pep Kmd top scumreads
AC Nero and Mal top townreads
Hopefully I get drafted or NK'd
Go babyfaces!

Question.
You listed two scumreads here.
When insisting there were two scum.
Yet you shot DodgeTheSaint.

How exactly did you know he was flipping town and you'd need two scumreads?

[mastina]

at the very least Pep/KMD aren't scum together I think

To be fair you could make the argument that we'd be scumbuddies because KMD's top townread has been my slot all game and Pepchoninga/myself both had KMD as our top townread, and between all of us we have similar reads working together well, which is all things scumbuddies

would

do.

But in this case, it's because we're town and have a natural ~synergy~ in play. I think I synchronize well to KMD. I liked his thoughts the whole game, I liked what he was thinking, and he's my top townread.

[mastina]

1162 is a long post, but it's basically a summary of

exactly

my issues with Mathblade this game.
Like, exactly.
Dead on the money.

Almost50, I don't remember what your current reads are, but just to be explicit here:
I am town.
I am positive that KMD is town.
You are town.

That leaves two scum in Mathblade/malpascp/McMenno/MS Columbo.
I am pretty sure malpascp is scum.
I agree with the you of that post that Mathblade is scum.
If malpascp is in fact scum, McMenno probably wouldn't be scum given their interactions.

So if you have any doubt in your heart, I ask you to trust me.
I'm not quite caught up yet, but my vote's not changing off of one of these two:
VOTE: malpascp.

[mastina]

Is Kmd the third scum and scum set up two wagons to just wait on a townie to vote?

Yes, KMD, Almost50, and I all share an alignment and a common interest. We are all trying to lynch (more or less) the same group of players, too.

It's called the townbloc.

[mastina]

I think at this point everyone should be stating who they intend to vote? Even though I'm pretty damn sure this isn't LyLo.

My vote will not leave you/Mathblade.
Preferably you.

[mastina]

Also, Scum had a Role Cop (Titus) starting in SD, while our flipped Scumster; Leon was a BODYGUARD!! (I fail to see what good a BG is for Scum anyway, and it add more to my confusion that all Town Vig abilities are DAY Vigs).

Bodyguarding acts as a safeclaim.
Similar to how a vig would, actually.

[mastina]

Remember when he thought mcmenno's early use of his ability was funny and it rubbed me the wrong way? My issue was that it sounded like scum going "lol town is wasting abilities". Well now we know Leon was scum. So mcmenno being town here makes sense.
He was also the one to initially point out that columbo's questions sounded like newb town. In the same sentence, he called the same questions awkward. I could see this being scum looking for a reason to justify a town read on a scum buddy. Leon's posts directed at columbo, or about columbo, also feel pretty soft throughout the ISO.
Just a few thoughts.

This is a fair point...
...But I feel like malpascp is scum regardless of Columbo/Mathblade, so.

[mastina]

Correct.
I don't want to reevaluate at this stage, no!

I have one interest and one interest only: lynching scum.
I will lynch the player with the highest chance of being scum.
That player is hands-down malpascp.

[mastina]

There is 0% chance Town has a gladiator and a vig and <redacted>.

Which is one reason I'm scumreading you and malpascp!

[mastina]

Looking forward to you breaking this game open

I did!
I am town.
There's a shitton of reasons why Almost50 is town.
KMD is also town.

So two scum in the remaining four players.
malpascp has been a scumfuck all game long.
You have been a scumfuck all game long.
You two are defending each other.
Both of you are hedging your bets. You are pushing every stance possible.
You also were personally responsible for a lot of shitty assumptions about Smackdown.
So of the four, you two are my top picks for being scum.

KMD rose some good points about McMenno. I also feel like McMenno-malpascp cannot be the scumteam.
So the possibilities there are:
McMenno-Columbo
McMenno-Mathblade
Columbo-malpascp
Columbo-Mathblade
Mathblade-malpascp.

We've got three lynches, so we can eliminate/confirm scumteams as we go. malpascp is my top priority.

[mastina]

The only think that worries me is if that slot IS Scum, in which case I white flag already!

If you truly believe this, then vote along-side me.
I know KMD will vote with me on malpascp.
You shouldn't be obectionable to voting malpascp.

And from there it's just a matter of convincing one of McMenno/Columbo to go along with lynching malpascp. With luck, Mathblade's scum, because if one of them is scum they're probably not going to vote their scumbuddy and that means we'd need the whole town save Mathblade to get a lynch there which would fucking suck.

At this stage, reads would be:
KMD
Almost50
McMenno
Columbo
Mathblade
malpascp.

[mastina]

Pedit: i guess mastina also missed the fact Math is a fucking confirmed dayvig

Nope!
Read the entire game, think it was a scumvig. Have very good reasons for that.

Two can play the softclaim game.

Also,

Mod:

About to lose power at my house. V/LA for indeterminable amount of time.

[mastina]

Mastina why couldn't you have been Town?

I am! And rather obviously, painfully so!
So's Almost50, which makes your scumread there all the worse.

[mastina]

How would scum having a day-vig in this brand be balanced?

Because of town roles in the unclaimed.

I am one of them.

And I'm telling you I don't buy Mathblade's role as town.

[mastina]

At least do present your case so I won't feel like a total ass sheeping you.

You want my case on malpascp?
Okay, here ya go!

That, right there, is my case on malpascp.

[mastina]

At least do present your case so I won't feel like a total ass sheeping you.

You want my case on malpascp? Okay, here ya go! That, right there, is my case on malpascp.

No, seriously.

I know I like to say that as my favorite joke. Just linking to the iso and saying, "this is what makes them scum", and not bothering to elaborate.

You ask me why malpascp is scum.

I ask you, what in malpascp's posting makes you think he'd be town?
Is there any shred of evidence, at any point, at any juncture, any step of the way, which would make you think it is so much as a possibility?

Because. Dead fucking serious here. The reason why I'm not quoting posts from malpascp and showing you why those posts are scum is because if I did so I'd be quoting basically his entire fucking iso.

Every. thing. He has said and done. Has reeked of being scum. Start to finish. Every step of the way.
So I ask you again: everything he's done has been scum. What's he done to make you doubt that?

[mastina]

You want a summary?
-Bad tone, the entire game.
-His stances, the entire game: who he was, and was not, pushing.
-Opportunism at every point, along with hedging his bets.
-General lack of commitment. Lack of push. Lack of drive. He was sitting back and letting the town mislynch.

Like I said. If I show these things. Then I'm linking to his entire fucking iso. They're there every step of the way. In his above posts, even, as he places me at L-1, well within lynch range especially if Mathblade and/or McMenno are actually town. (In particular, there's a VERY realistic chance that MS Columbo here is a scumbuddy, who could make an excuse at any point to hammer, either intentionally or 'accidentally'.)

malpascp isn't scumhunting.
He's just going, "lol", and doing nothing else.

[mastina]

In fact, I'll make it easy for ya.

These are the posts malpascp have made which were

NOT

indicative of him being scum:

Maybe

, MAYBE 152. Definitely 253. Also 345. (You could be extra-generous 275 but even there I hold suspicion.) 393 is also fine.

That's literally it. Every other post. And I do mean, EVERY OTHER POST, in his iso, I have a reason for calling scum.
Iso him yourself. And if you don't see the point about a particular post in question, ask me about said post. Because I do mean, literally every other post of his is walking, breathing scum.

[mastina]

Oh and look Mastina claimed a PR role but isn't claiming yet...

Yeah because every holder of my slot has agreed that it should only be done if absolutely necessary given that if I live to lylo without claiming town autowins. I have very good reason to hold back on claiming.

Sure, MS Columbo hammering me without a claim would itself be a scumclaim, but I've no intention of claiming unless I feel like it's absolutely necessary to halt my lynch.

We're not at that point yet.

[mastina]

To malpascp

[mastina]

'Sup bitches.
I don't think we need to claim what we just did, and the implication thereof.

Ultimately, the risk of me being mislynched warranted this as a necessity. I suppose we

could

have theoretically claimed, and that'd dismantle most of the wagon on us, but there was still the risk of the MS Columbo hammer happening, whereas unless we fucked up our combo, this way we know a hammer's not possible.

[mastina]

(Also, this is much harder to deny as existing.)
Soyeah. If you need more evidence of this, refer to KMD's read of my slot the entire game, my slot's read of KMD the entire game, and our slots' reactions to the mason claims/usage in Smackdown. Also why I called Mathblade out on some bullshit.

[mastina]

Incidentally, we were hoping to live to see a 2:1 lylo, since if we both lived to see it, woulda been an instant town win, but oh well. (It also would've been powerful in lylo, but I'm not so sure we could prove our ability in lylo, whereas today we could, which is another reason that I was okay with this.)