Mini 1852 - Werewolves and Jester win!

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/confirm

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How is a 14 player game a mini?

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VOTE: Drealmerz
for voting no lynch
Do not defy the Church of Kail™!

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Hai
This looks to be a useless slot
VOTE: PUPPER

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Jaack... You scum?

PEdit - How the fuck can you vote a pupper? You monster!

Dude's p much one of those Twitter bots

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Hai
This looks to be a useless slot
VOTE: PUPPER

Grrrrrr
*bites GE's hand*
VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Ow!
Bad doggie!
OMGUS vote is OMGUS

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I post when I want

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can you post anything relevant?

drealmerz and pupper scum
nyeh

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can you post any good opinions?

That's relative so I don't know.

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I don't like dreal's eagerness to nl early

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I do find it very concerning that your signature leads to a page on "How to Not Mess Up as Town" and one of the rules is to share your thoughts on the game. Why did I have to call you out on it to do so?

It specifically says to state controversial opinions as town, not let everyone else get confbiased on someone

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10th person to confirm is a scum claim.

I'd like to state for the record this is bad

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VOTE: Haraki
false dichotomy

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yeah i'm totally scumslipping right now buddy - i'm sure i don't have history of using the word die in replacement of lynch

let's go pupper, we've got work to do

Nice job misrepping my vote buddy.
I understood you meant lynch and we're hardly into the day so your proposition is a false dichotomy.

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Why is Vedith concerned about being read as scum with me?

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Awesome

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VOTE: drealmerz
Hop on!

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Kuroi's reasons on dreal are REALLY bullshit. It's a scumread scum would make. The reasons listed feel more like towntells to me.
VOTE: KuroiXHF

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His comments on dreal seem to be saying "we can't sway this guy, let's paint his personality as scummy!"

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Why is being spammy good? I've gotten shit for being a high-volume poster before.

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Okay. I can get your logic. Scum doesn't have much motivation to push discussion.

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Well you have the advantage of having modded me once.

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I hate lurker lynches on D1 but this is looking like it could be one of those games where at least some pressure application on a lurker is going to be necessary to generate much more for the Day.

or we could no lynch! I know suggesting that gets me TR hard...

no it doesn't
it gives me a lynchboner for you

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I hate lurker lynches on D1 but this is looking like it could be one of those games where at least some pressure application on a lurker is going to be necessary to generate much more for the Day.

or we could no lynch! I know suggesting that gets me TR hard...

no it doesn't
it gives me a lynchboner for you

Meh, it's an open suggestion of a mechanically poor idea. I'd say it's basically null on drealmerz. Why would it make you especially high on his lynch? Towns have daft ideas all the time.

He is defying the Church of Kail!
But seriously I doubt there is any mechanic that makes NLing beneficial right now.

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Right, it's basically a dumb idea. What makes his dumb idea wolfy instead of just dumb?

The fact he suggested it immediately suggests he has incentive to do it.
If you can give me a solid town incentive to do it I'll reconsider.
And I'm not as hard on lynching him after Kuroi's push: I was just saying suggesting NL is not a way to get townread (and the last guys I saw initiating a NL was scum)

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statistic:

drealmer suggests no-lynch on D1 9/10 times! scum or town! just to gauge reactions usually, or, ya know, if I'm a cop

it's a bastard game, I'm up for anything though, including no-lynch, as horrible of an idea as it typically is, this game is a NO STANDARDS FREE-FOR-ALL!!! I mean as long as you can justify it as town, and I do, because it's a bastard game and who knows, maybe no-lynch gives us a boon?!

I played a bastard game once where the only way to win was to no-lynch...otherwise the inept doctor kept killing all of their targets thinking 'omg I failed my save AGAIN?!' and we kept thinking there was scum in the game because of the deaths. Good times.

That's actually very interesting thank you for sharing.

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I actually have a solid townread on dreal now (based on associations).

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statistic:

drealmer suggests no-lynch on D1 9/10 times! scum or town! just to gauge reactions usually, or, ya know, if I'm a cop

it's a bastard game, I'm up for anything though, including no-lynch, as horrible of an idea as it typically is, this game is a NO STANDARDS FREE-FOR-ALL!!! I mean as long as you can justify it as town, and I do, because it's a bastard game and who knows, maybe no-lynch gives us a boon?!

I played a bastard game once where the only way to win was to no-lynch...otherwise the inept doctor kept killing all of their targets thinking 'omg I failed my save AGAIN?!' and we kept thinking there was scum in the game because of the deaths. Good times.

This post.

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It just puts him out in front and center ... needlessly convoluted to me.

hey, you're describing my playstyle!! almost - not needless! but necessary! I mean, look around! PUPPER is generating the next most content!!! FUCKING PUPPER!!!

I swear I'm going to grill that dog before this game is over...

You have 10X his amount of posts.

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The assiation was Kuroi's push. However that set dreal as a townlean.

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Basically it's a case of different parts of the read shifting at different times.

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The assiation was Kuroi's push. However that set dreal as a townlean.

Could you clarify this a bit? What in particular about Kuroi push made it a town lean?

I was still reading the NL thing as scummy so I wasn't set to make it a full townread.
Now that it's explained better he's solid town.

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Kuroi's reasons on dreal are REALLY bullshit. It's a scumread scum would make. The reasons listed feel more like towntells to me.
VOTE: KuroiXHF

So basically the Kuroi association bit was this?

Yes.

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it makes me town because you believe what I told you / my telling you that sounds genuine and true, or?

It sounds genuine, and if you had that experience it makes sense you would randomly try it.

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The assiation was Kuroi's push. However that set dreal as a townlean.

Could you clarify this a bit? What in particular about Kuroi push made it a town lean?

I was still reading the NL thing as scummy so I wasn't set to make it a full townread.
Now that it's explained better he's solid town.

I'm solid town? I don't even know how I'm solid town because of the bastard element.

I was talking about drealmerz not you.

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The assiation was Kuroi's push. However that set dreal as a townlean.

Could you clarify this a bit? What in particular about Kuroi push made it a town lean?

I was still reading the NL thing as scummy so I wasn't set to make it a full townread.
Now that it's explained better he's solid town.

I'm solid town? I don't even know how I'm solid town because of the bastard element.

I was talking about drealmerz not you.

Really? How is he solid town? He honestly doesn't even know if he's solid town.
None of us really do.

It means I townread him.

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GET THE FUCK OFF ME

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Thinking on it while McMenno's vote was bad his play feels like his townplay.

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I'm literally dealing with the incarnation of Donald Trump's persona on Twitter.

Mod: Sorry, I really

really

hate to do this but I have no will to play with this prick. If you don't think his actions are enough for at least a warning, please replace me.

For everyone else in the game, if you agree with me in some sense about his behavior - not even regarding lynching Vedith - please say something.

To Vedith, I hope you change for your own sake.

Vedith is a troll but I can handle him.

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@Kling - Snarky is always a lurker. Unless you have a policy of lynching lurkers your vote is bad, and even if it is a PL it's bad.
View on Mcnugget?
I think the opportunist on Gamma is real though.

I was in a game with him where he posted a good bit. He was kinda noobish and his reads were off, but when he died he flipped Town.

I expect to see more from him. I know he can do it.

Who?

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@Kling - Snarky is always a lurker. Unless you have a policy of lynching lurkers your vote is bad, and even if it is a PL it's bad.
View on Mcnugget?
I think the opportunist on Gamma is real though.

I was in a game with him where he posted a good bit. He was kinda noobish and his reads were off, but when he died he flipped Town.

I expect to see more from him. I know he can do it.

Who?

Snarky.

I've never seen active Snarky.

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Holy shit that was fast

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Meh why not.
*Throws a stick for PUPPER to fetch*

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PUPPER's vote on me was OMGUS bro

[Gamma Emerald]

drealmerz this is stupid.
If you

actually

have a scumread on me, explain it.
If it's just based on the dog, go try and force some other bullshit lynch.

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With this McMenno wagon

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VOTE: McMenno
I have no reservations against this wagon
That's L-1 FYI

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So I never addresssed this before, but lynching a survivor is actually a good idea at some points. Survivors will likely go with the mafia in LyLo. And it's also able to explain away longevity issues, as scum do like to keep them around.
So unless anyone has any objections I say we finish what we started.
VOTE: McMenno

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The fuck
Somehow Vonflare counted that

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This is a bastard game. There's no reason to believe anything is certain at all.

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Haraki needs to be lynched before another mis lynch.
@Hiraki, you should be thinking the same.
Although Coug is most likely scum, it's not 100%.

McNuggetballs is cult and Hiraki has a good chance of flipping scum.

Evidence to support this?

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OK
That sounds solid
VOTE: McMenno

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No
Hiraki gut town

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Great, that was hammer FYI

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That's not how this works
You are probably not aligned with him though if he is scum

[Gamma Emerald]

Great, that was hammer FYI

You sound quite displeased. Why?

Because this day was extremely short.

[Gamma Emerald]

Compared to the failfest that has been our last two attempts on McMenno, this is much better. I totally agree with what AlpacaAlpaca said.
VOTE: Vedith

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Just because you're getting cult results doesn't mean you can't be scum too.

This. Scum have things like FBI investigators, I'd expect them to have Inquisitors in bastard games.

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He switched because he wasn't following the crowd anymore: he was using his investigative info.

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He switched because he wasn't following the crowd anymore: he was using his investigative info.

Someone getting a jester result, won't be putting them at L-1

I'll let him explain it, but I have an idea of what happened.

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You think they believe Mcmenno was recruited and lost the jester ability?

No but that could be the case.

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When it comes to Gamma, you take note!

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@MOD: what happens if the Cult Leader dies?

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Probably not, but it's you playing.

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@MOD: what happens if the Cult Leader dies?

they are added to the dead thread

What happens to the rest of the cult?

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Okay so the mod is intentionally staying mum.
From drealmerz response I'm p sure the leftover cult still has to fight for their wincon.

[Gamma Emerald]

What if Jaack is an Insane Cop?
Also, doesn't Cop only return "Mafia" or "Town"?
Jaack please answer this.

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Ah, so that game was "insane roles".

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Mkay, thing is I have a suspicion you are insane since with McMenno's condition he can't win.

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Yep

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Also
UNVOTE: Vedith

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Flip that list and you get how it works in NAR.

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VOTE: Vedith
Mkay

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No McMenno lynch today

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Can we get a VC plz
I don't know the wagons rn

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vote GE, that's all you need to know

No it's not

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So you sr 2 of
AlpacaAlpaca
McMenno
Jaack
Which ones?

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answer the question

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LOL
I think all of those are town

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Klingoncelt seems to be the greatest non-entity

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But terying to lynch McMenno is ANTI-town.

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*trying

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drealmerz shut the fuck up you think you're funny and cute but it's self indulgent and stupid
If you think I'm scum make a fucking case on me.

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zzz
wake me up when people are actually playing the game

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I CAN'T TELL WHERE THE FUCK I'M AT BECAUSE THE MOD RARELY POSTS VCS

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Obviously if I don't share this you're going to be a fucking dumbass all day
I'm a mason.

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Hai
This looks to be a useless slot
VOTE: PUPPER

Grrrrrr
*bites GE's hand*
VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Ow!
Bad doggie!
OMGUS vote is OMGUS

This pretty much summarizes it

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Keep throwing shade at me and you'll find yourself in the place you're trying to lead me to

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which one

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Well I shouldn't be Mafia, but of course this is a bastard game so scum masons is possible

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Can we not

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?

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PUPPER UB?

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There was that time he rolled lyncher on

Charizard

Charloux
And I think he always rolls lyncher on me too tbh

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OK if we really want to analyze PUPPER's reads let's go full force
Me scum
Alpaca^2 town
mhsmith scum
Klingon scum
dreal...IDK, mixed signals
Hiraki town
vedith scum
Kuroi town
SC scum
But personally, I think dreal is scum trying to come up with BS reasons to vote town.
VOTE: drealmerz

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wow what a case, GE, I'm making a case against you that you're scum and I'm scum because you're town and I'm making a case against you?

Because of the fact you can't come up with a REAL CASE.

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I do care to come up with a case. YOU'VE BEEN DEATHTUNNELING ME! YOU'VE BEEN IGNORING MAJOR PARTS OF THE GAME!

[Gamma Emerald]

Yes I do!

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GE has claimed already too, so, we just need the 2 votes there to move along

I claimed mason, don't forget to mention that you opportunistic scumsack.

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"he thinks he's a mason"
I know I'm a mason, and even if I weren't, I'd know I'm not. How can I THINK I'm a mason?

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I have a mason PT. I am a mason.

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He says "a mason", not "a town mason".

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hidden scum-mason is possible

that would JUST BE SCUM COME ON DUDE

wow you're dense
the scum part would be hidden

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drealmerz I know you detest self-voting, so why are you saying it's a townie thing?

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Figured you were scum.
I'm confirmed not-with-dreal and should be protected.

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How can you be a traitor and not scum?

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Traitors are scum roles dummy.

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Explain your role fully.

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You should be lynching the actual result first and not the associative. And you still have to get rid of the mafia. By eliminating the mafia first, you make the game lynches only, no nightkills.

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I can't be mafia because of drealmerz's push. I'm not the one with the cult result on them.

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I thoguht anyone could recruit as a cult?
Personally I think cult is more of a stupid role than Jester.

I thought Cult members suicided if the Leader died. If not I thought they continued as 3rd Party but couldn't recruit without the Leader.

I'm assuming it's the second case as we didn't have mass death Night 2.

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I didn't know this had started. Well I am super sure that I am not cult since presumably i get a notification about that but maybe i was recruited and not told, who knows in this game

Your Mason partner Gamma didn't poke you?

wat

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VOTE: Vedith

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Jaack got mafia on Vedith. Lynch the mafia, then the cult.

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Wait a fucking second

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Didn't you guys both agree to target the same guy? KlingonCelt I believe?

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Are you sure you got your result from Klingon?

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@Gamma
You believe your mason partner's being town?

I'm trying to sort the veracity of results.
Vedith what 3 people have you gotten results on so far?
Actually, that makes no sense. Does the Cult Leader start out with a cult member from the start?

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Has there ever been a game where a Cult Leader started with a Cult member? Because if not Vedith is p much confirmed paranoid inquisitor.

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Well, no. I don't know of such a thing.
Cults that start with a leader start only with a leader.
Once that leader dies, his cult suicides.
I think we're rid of all the cult.

Explain how we didn't have MASSDEATH night 2.

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Idea games count for jack shit as the roles are RNG.

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Do you even know how cults work?

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What confirms that someone killed him and he didn't die by targeting scum? They usually die if they try to recruit Mafia.

Where's the mafia kill

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These answers do not satisfy me at all.

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These answers do not satisfy me at all.

That's too bad, cause you were the one coming to conclusion that Vedith is paranoid inquisitor, and I'm the one digging the idea.

You are answering my questions with questions.

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I think he is town, he hasn't really said anything dubious is the masonry PT
Or much of anything at all now that I think about it.

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the hell

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vedith had a point btw

not a strong one but a point

about what

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BTW I feel this needs mentioning here specifically: I'm going to be gone tomorrow-Sunday p much.

[Gamma Emerald]

Tomorrow means today apparently

[Gamma Emerald]

Unvote, Vote: Jaack

glad you've finally figured this out

[Gamma Emerald]

I'd prefer to lynch Vedith unless you have REALLY good reason.

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can we make a deal gamma?

if i'm wrong about this, i will happily help you lynch Vedith tomorrow

but I know that there's a 0% chance that I'm wrong

This does not comfort me at all. I think there could be 3 scum left: I've seen traitors with 2 and 3 main scum in 13Ps

[Gamma Emerald]

are you saying that i'm scum now too?

Not yet, but it's possible. I don't want trades: I want reasons.

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay then
VOTE: Jaack

[Gamma Emerald]

Ymm...

[Gamma Emerald]

McMenno, you're an ass. You're playing antitown so there's A HOPE you get lynched. But I'm not biting.

[Gamma Emerald]

Awwww no one wants to be the obvscum that pushes an absent player?

[Gamma Emerald]

I was being a joker
LOL

[Gamma Emerald]

Jester doesn't ALWAYS end the game. You've been playing too much EM.

[Gamma Emerald]

epicmafia

[Gamma Emerald]

If you think it's best go ahead, I've claimed already so idrc

[Gamma Emerald]

why

[Gamma Emerald]

V/LA until tuesday

[Gamma Emerald]

so many people haven't posted in a while
I think the mod forgot this game existed tbh

[Gamma Emerald]

tbh I think I'm just going to vote AA if sge doesn't produce content soon

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: ArcAngel

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btw who did AA replace

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ty
I'm going to review the combined ISO rn

[Gamma Emerald]

I believe Gamma could be scum.

but i need someone to convince me hard with proofs.

What the hell is happening.. Why is not Gamma lynched yet.

mod, I am going for big V/LA. how long you can accept if i dont post

Looking at this, I'm fairly certain AA is scum

[Gamma Emerald]

McMenno: jester
drealmerz: conf mafia traitor
*shrug*

[Gamma Emerald]

Either there's some weird kill bullshit or it's Hiraki

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It could also be McMenno, but that would be really freakish as we can't lynch him

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VOTE: mcmenno

Not sure if scum or actual survivor but I'll take my chances,

mhsmith was the hammer d1

[Gamma Emerald]

and died n1

[Gamma Emerald]

I believe Gamma could be scum.

but i need someone to convince me hard with proofs.

What the hell is happening.. Why is not Gamma lynched yet.

mod, I am going for big V/LA. how long you can accept if i dont post

Looking at this, I'm fairly certain AA is scum

@Gamma -- Since when is inactivity alignment indicative? Especially RL.
If he V/LA'd here only I agree but this looks like playing toward a mislynch.

Arc Angel v Gamma should be a thing and if AA doesn't post AA should be replaced.

Not the activity, the read progression on me
And I'd rather lynch an active tbh, since they have the ability to kill

[Gamma Emerald]

iirc lovers usually get QTs

[Gamma Emerald]

btw v/la until monday

[Gamma Emerald]

I think you're lying

[Gamma Emerald]

they we're even ccs, vedith guiltied jaack

[Gamma Emerald]

ok
can we at least break the kills first if possible

[Gamma Emerald]

intent to hammer