Mini 1852 - Werewolves and Jester win!

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Confirming

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Yeah well I'm confirming plus infinity

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VOTE: strangercoug
Stranger danger

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VOTE: Vonflare this usually goes well

lynch the mod everyone wins
VOTE: Vonflare
gogogo

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oh wait the mod wagon was already abandoned . back to coug we go
VOTE: coug

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With two votes VOTE: vonflare was lynched. He was

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super hated jester mod

Gg everyone

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Shit. I didn't know the game began. I'll see if I can catch up.

Apparently the answer was "he can't"

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FYI I'm going to be unavailable tomorrow (and going to bed soon tonight), will catch up sometime Sunday.

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Today was a great day to

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BEAT CAL

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drealmerz is being sufficiently spammy that unless he's especially wolfy (and he seems more null to me than anything else), I'm inclined not to want him dead today either.

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Why is being spammy good? I've gotten shit for being a high-volume poster before.

Because there are a shit-load of people who are being pretty much useless in the game (and yes, i say that knowing the hypocrisy of what I just said), and I'm not super inclined to chase the highest post count guy barring something actually convincing against him, which I haven't seen so far.

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mine's less spammy and more forest-grazed

it's actual food you can eat, not empty filler

No, there's been plenty of filler. You're a null to me.

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Likely town: Hikari, Jaack
Town leans: Vedith, Alpaca (relatively good content for him, the lurking is basically NAI), Kuroi (probably need to go back to GoT to make sure, but he feels different than that one)
Null but spammy enough that I'm willing to give a day pass: drleamerz

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GoT was fun. I misread Kuroi's town slip as being real instead of staged, but fortunately the wolves rekt themselves by screwing up the N1 kill and making it super town sided (when you have a janitor on hand, typically you don't use him to shoot the outed IC)

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oh, cool. yeah that was fun.

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looking at stranger a bit more:

dislike 48, tentative; ditto 97, with a poor question in that post
the on/off interaction with dreal was basically null on him; it's fakable, but at least suggests actual curiosity with respect to his alignment
224 is an easy post to make, but is still a decent post
229 basically where I'm at
262 is ok, by itself not hugely meaningful but suggests at least SOME curiosity about his stated suspect. would have been better with follow-up

overall nothing impressive, but nothing that really makes me want to lynch him either
UNVOTE:

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Snarky, Drone and McMenno are all lurkers with basically zero content. Snarky probably the worst of them (26 was bad, 237 was the closest thing to content and it was just a beetlejuice'd response). I don't really love lurker lynching, barring a better defined PoE, although frankly with the sheer quantity of people being completely useless I don't know that it's a terrible idea to go there. Need to re-look at klingon/gamma next.

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Gamma
166 is an OMGUS
169 calls 167 a misrep, but it seems pretty plausible that it was just a misunderstanding of the point being made
197 a decent post
259 may be a bit reachy, but I don't think it's a bad defense of dreal. kuroi's case seems to be basically a null thing, rather than actively scummy behavior from dreal
289 an ok question on dreal; he's engaging with people who are engaging with dreal, which suggests that he's got curiosity about why people are reading dreal (I'd guess dreal is null to him since he was poking at people saying good or bad things on him)

Klingon
41 not a great post
63 null - possible OMGUS, possible attempt to actually engage with critical thinking
64 - really easy vote on a lurker who didn't have votes on him
138/140 basically an RVS type post
200 suggests it's a serious vote though
233 a different easy vote on a lurker

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I want to skim a couple of different games from gamma, but at least at current glance I don't especially hate what he's done so far. I'm currently inclined to lynch inside klingon and snarky, which are both kind of lurker lynches, but there are enough lurkers that at some point we have to clear them out.

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OTOH Hiraki is a pretty solid town read of mine, so I'll let him re-sell the Gamma case if he wants. Jaack seems to be bandwagoning, not sure how strongly he believes in it, and something tells me I'm not going to hear a tremendous amount from PUPPER on the subject

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Well you have the advantage of having modded me once.

Oh yeah that game was hilarious. You guys managed the impressive imperfect perfect win, and in less than a week of real time.

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I hate lurker lynches on D1 but this is looking like it could be one of those games where at least some pressure application on a lurker is going to be necessary to generate much more for the Day.

or we could no lynch! I know suggesting that gets me TR hard...

no it doesn't
it gives me a lynchboner for you

Meh, it's an open suggestion of a mechanically poor idea. I'd say it's basically null on drealmerz. Why would it make you especially high on his lynch? Towns have daft ideas all the time.

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Right, it's basically a dumb idea. What makes his dumb idea wolfy instead of just dumb?

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Right, it's basically a dumb idea. What makes his dumb idea wolfy instead of just dumb?

The fact he suggested it immediately suggests he has incentive to do it.
If you can give me a solid town incentive to do it I'll reconsider.
And I'm not as hard on lynching him after Kuroi's push: I was just saying suggesting NL is not a way to get townread (and the last guys I saw initiating a NL was scum)

I don't know there's a solid town incentive, but I don't know that there's a solid wolf incentive either. It just puts him out in front and center for relatively easy pushes against. I guess you could argue as wolf he might be doing it to "catch" someone making a shady push on him, or simply to be seen as doing something, but it seems needlessly convoluted to me.

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What changed between 311 and now? A re-read or just this back and forth?

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What does 322 have to do with associations though?

@dr: I meant needlessly complicated if you were scum. Or do you play like hat as wolf too?

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The assiation was Kuroi's push. However that set dreal as a townlean.

Could you clarify this a bit? What in particular about Kuroi push made it a town lean?

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Kuroi's reasons on dreal are REALLY bullshit. It's a scumread scum would make. The reasons listed feel more like towntells to me.
VOTE: KuroiXHF

So basically the Kuroi association bit was this?

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Getting emotional like that is NAI. I know a player (on a different site) who posts that almost exactly every time she gets wagoned D1, as any alignment or role.

I'd also presume that the PUPPER stuff is basically nonsense; it's possible that the dog somehow has scum-knowing powers, but it seems likelier that it's just a trolling function. Why (other than "well, it's possible") would you think it's realistic for the dog to actually have a scum-identifying ability?

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370 was a non-serious post then? I guess I can see that.

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Eh, I guess. It's kind of weird seeing that post at the guy who's the current main wagon, but it's not like he's L-1 or anything.

The Gamma wagon seems odd to me. I'm pretty much town-reading Hiraki/Jaack, and the PUPPER slot is probably just a mod troll slot, and I don't hate Coug, so by that alone it'd seem like an OK wagon to hop on, but I don't actually think Gamma is a wolf.

Any thoughts on McMenno? I don't think I've seen him play before (IIRC I'd skimmed a game of his a while ago, I think it was that micro with Zyf, but I don't remember much about it); anyone familiar with his meta? That hop onto Gamma seemed pretty empty for a vote that turned him into much more of a solid contender for being lynched today.

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@Vedith:
Stuff like

I struggle to see you flipping town with that mind set, however, VI is pretty common.

Sadly I agree that Hiraki is just VI and not scum.

Take your head out of your arse.

You really are VI, aren't you

is insulting, and shouldn't be part of the game (though admittedly I sometimes screw up along those lines myself). I'd say that your engagement with Hiraki has been more insulting than actual constructive criticism, and it's reasonable for him to be upset (though probably thin-skinned, since I've seen plenty worse than this in games).

@Hiraki:
Some of the stuff Vedith has posted hasn't been nice, true, but I don't know that it really rises to the level of a warning either. I'd probably say that both of you would be better off disengaging from each other, though, since I don't think it's being productive on either end.
I'd also say taht stuff like

I'm literally dealing with the incarnation of Donald Trump's persona on Twitter.

isn't really appropriate either, fwiw.

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@klingon: could you clarify what exactly seems wolfy in jacks post?

The closest thing to a guess I have is that he's not supporting his case on his im with very much, but otherwise it seems fine to me, with actual content and thoughts. What am I missing? Is it the hedginess in some of his reads? If it was just hedgy reads I might agree but there's still actual reads w actual substance, so I don't really see it as being that either.

I suppose if you're v/la for a while it's not likely to get a quick answer but I would like a response here when you get back.

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VOTE: mcmenno

Not sure if scum or actual survivor but I'll take my chances,

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Ps sorry if you're an actual survivor here.

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gg all

*rands 3p scum, scum-hammers a wolf, gets fear-killed N1

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I was also the guy who loverized hikari and vedith. Hadn't realized there would be no PT there, alas

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FWIW, I still think I needed a BP given 4 scum on the board. I kinda figured that there would be like a serial killer, or maybe even I was the only scum. I guess some of that was on me for setup-speccing a bastard game for presumed balance tho.

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@mcmenno: why did you shoot me n1?

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It turns out that the likeliest path to victory for me was to get N1 jesterized and get myself lynched D2, and I had no real way of knowing that based on my role PM. OTOH was clearly advertized as bastard, I just got unlucky w the rand. *shrugs*

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Maybe the funniest part was that the game was basically lock win for wolves for like a whole month since the lover pair was still alive at 4v2 and it just kept meandering slowly towards its basically inevitable ending.

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Even given a scum lynch, the next night it'd be (presuming last wolf didn't shoot lovers right then) 3v1, then town probably no lynches for the lulz, then scum shoots a lover and boom game over.

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Oh right I actually did forget about this. I think legitimately the only way wolves lose this game is via killing inside their own faction, especially if the jester doesn't get applied to one of them. I mean, bastard game is gonna be bastard, but I don't think that groupscum lose this collectively more than like 25% of the time.

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I forgot it was even going on for what felt like a week because nobody had posted.

I mean hell, I went for MONTHS without posting in the game thread