Open 665 - Friends and Enemies - Game Over! Town Victory!!!

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Admittedly I couldn't find the thread.

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Not sure how I feel about Ali, let me read again

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Not sure how I feel about Ali, let me read again

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Hey Grey, if I said BBT was scum, would you buy it at all?

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What are people thinking about BlueBloodedToffee?

Possible scum. He spent a lot of time saying a lot of meaningless things in long form, imo to seem like he was contributing a lot. tbh I think he's smarter than a lot of the points he made though.

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He looks like he's genuinely scumhunting.

What does 'genuine' scum hunting look like? And how would you differentiate that from 'fake' scum hunting?

Nonsense question asked a lot in a lot of games, and I've never really seen an answer that doesn't boil down to "gut" or "tone".

OK well not much to go on thus far. Let's take a stab then.
Alisae, Havingfitz, Empking, Grey, Hawk all seem to have some vague interest in figuring out this game at least.

ConManMick and boring haven't done much. LUV I'm not sure about.
Mozamis making some really early town reads, makes me suspect he

knows

who town are. Surety is scummy.

Therefore I'm happy with my vote. As I said earlier wagon ho.

This is a bad post. What you have basically just done is said that you have a town feel for 5 players and yet you're voting someone for saying they're reading one person as town somewhat strongly. I find this awfully hypocritical to vote for someone who has given out one town read when you have five and this looks like one of those posts where scum be like 'Hey, look at me having lots of reads on people and engaging with the game' when actually you're not saying a whole lot. It's also ;pinging that you clearly opted to avoid using the word 'town' when referring to those 5 people and instead went with 'figuring the game out'.

This strikes me as empty given how early in the game it is. "town feel for 5 players" =/= "vague interest in figuring out the game". imo seems like a decent way to start attacking the game for FP. Going from that to "awfully hypocritical" to vote someone for having a strong early townread. Like you're reading into it way too much or you're bullshitting man, come on there.

I'm finding FancyPants interesting too.

What does interesting mean? Scummy? Towny? What?

Another empty question. "Hey guys I'm doing something without giving an opinion"

And a lot of posts are empty questions like that. That's the sort of thing I do when I want to make it look like I'm active but am prod dodging in reality.

So many interesting players, this is gonna be exciting.
After an initial readup I got many townreads but some of them are slight.
Strong townreads are fitz and boring.
Townleans on Grey and Alisae.
Mixed feelings about mozamis, LUV and FP, will need more time to sort them out.

VOTE: mozamis

Very little substance in his posting, looks like coasting scum

Talk about your reads on Grey and fitz please? I'm super surprised that out of those 3 people you chose to vote for Moz. Why does scum!Moz go against the thread and start defending Alisae based on nothing?

OK, this game feels really weird and I agree with FP that I think scum are laying low.

There are so many people not scum hunting/contributing to the game that it's very difficult to form town reads.

VOTE: Grey

This game needs a serious wagon.

And this doesn't really follow, given where your attention seems to have been. Plus, as far as I can see, you're doing the same thing you criticized FP for.

Tl;dr

Lots of noise, not a lot of signal, scumlean.

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He looks like he's genuinely scumhunting.

What does 'genuine' scum hunting look like? And how would you differentiate that from 'fake' scum hunting?

Nonsense question asked a lot in a lot of games, and I've never really seen an answer that doesn't boil down to "gut" or "tone".

OK well not much to go on thus far. Let's take a stab then.
Alisae, Havingfitz, Empking, Grey, Hawk all seem to have some vague interest in figuring out this game at least.

ConManMick and boring haven't done much. LUV I'm not sure about.
Mozamis making some really early town reads, makes me suspect he

knows

who town are. Surety is scummy.

Therefore I'm happy with my vote. As I said earlier wagon ho.

This is a bad post. What you have basically just done is said that you have a town feel for 5 players and yet you're voting someone for saying they're reading one person as town somewhat strongly. I find this awfully hypocritical to vote for someone who has given out one town read when you have five and this looks like one of those posts where scum be like 'Hey, look at me having lots of reads on people and engaging with the game' when actually you're not saying a whole lot. It's also ;pinging that you clearly opted to avoid using the word 'town' when referring to those 5 people and instead went with 'figuring the game out'.

This strikes me as empty given how early in the game it is. "town feel for 5 players" =/= "vague interest in figuring out the game". imo seems like a decent way to start attacking the game for FP. Going from that to "awfully hypocritical" to vote someone for having a strong early townread. Like you're reading into it way too much or you're bullshitting man, come on there.

I'm finding FancyPants interesting too.

What does interesting mean? Scummy? Towny? What?

Another empty question. "Hey guys I'm doing something without giving an opinion"

And a lot of posts are empty questions like that. That's the sort of thing I do when I want to make it look like I'm active but am prod dodging in reality.

So many interesting players, this is gonna be exciting.
After an initial readup I got many townreads but some of them are slight.
Strong townreads are fitz and boring.
Townleans on Grey and Alisae.
Mixed feelings about mozamis, LUV and FP, will need more time to sort them out.

VOTE: mozamis

Very little substance in his posting, looks like coasting scum

Talk about your reads on Grey and fitz please? I'm super surprised that out of those 3 people you chose to vote for Moz. Why does scum!Moz go against the thread and start defending Alisae based on nothing?

OK, this game feels really weird and I agree with FP that I think scum are laying low.

There are so many people not scum hunting/contributing to the game that it's very difficult to form town reads.

VOTE: Grey

This game needs a serious wagon.

And this doesn't really follow, given where your attention seems to have been. Plus, as far as I can see, you're doing the same thing you criticized FP for.

Tl;dr

Lots of noise, not a lot of signal, scumlean.

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Hey Grey, if I said BBT was scum, would you buy it at all?

Curious for other people's opinions too.

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@LUV ali's right, that's shit reasoning. And Ali reads town on the callout

Also calling me lurker/no content is incorrect, I've identified reads n shit. I'm just a busy snowman.

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NV (3) - SnarkySnowman, boring, ConManMick

Why no votes gents?

Why the worry, you in a hurry?

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{Snarky}

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I'm not liking bbts reaction here. Can we wait till I get to my PC to lynch, I have a few questions I gotta figure out how to phrase.

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I'm not explaining why. My opinions hold 0 credibility in this game and I'm not wasting my time.

I just want to be right when I get the spoilers.

That is so not a town or mindset

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VOTE: BBT

And Moz is my pick for D2

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no pics no proof

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But I'm not even on the snapface!

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What's snapface?

Clearly you're not from New England

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Town {Con}
Townlean {LUV, Grey, boring, Ali, Hawk, AH}
Scumlean {Fitz, Emp}
Scum {Moz, FP}

Is where I'm at. borning can probably be town (vs townlean) tbh

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Pretty sure Ali is town and we should not be hunting in that direction for now.

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Still waiting for that case.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p8714680 for now.

Is that strong enough that it's your strongest scumread?

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VOTE: Mozamis

Pretty sure I can put fitz in the town pile. This is where I want to be right now.

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I was distinctly getting a "how dare you", plus a hint of smug, "I should've known" from that post lol.

And I'm not. That's one hell of a reach there mister.

New townbloc: Fitz, Uzi, Moz, Snowman, Empking, Hawk, AH
Scumbloc: Mick, Grey, Grendal.

Pretty sure your scumbloc is all town tbh, also Emp / Moz are not good townreads

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Grey is bumping from townlean to scumlean for me.

Ali is moving away from being a townread too.

Moz is still top scumread

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Or you could just claim scum and lynch yourself

that's too bad though, I enjoyed you as a player

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So glad math is joining us but also math you post way too much xP

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That supah bowl was wicked pissah. I'll be at the parade tomorrah

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So uh, how is Moz not lynched?

Also I'm feeling good about fitz town now tbh

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can we all be on moz

VOTE: moz

ridiculous that we panic-lynched away from it yesterday.

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fitz makes more sense coming from town perspective than scum

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My claim is I'm not scum

snarky you dont take issue with this?

:/

like he's leaving his claim options open

No, because it makes sense from the perspective of every role in this game.

VT -> faking mason to draw a nightkill
Mason -> not claiming mason outright to avoid giving it away or getting partners outed
Scum -> vague but less lynchable than a VT claim

NAI as far as I'm concerned.

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Who knows man who knows. I think it's focusing on the wrong aspects of his play though as far as drawing a read goes.

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VOTE: moz

There is no way moz is still alive and is town.

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UNVOTE:

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I'm more than ready to lynch this though. We deflected to my town reads from moz twice now. There's no way that is town driven.

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Ftr giga could definitely be scum, imo

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That makes literally no sense if you're town :/

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This is lylo. LUV and I are the masons. How does that affect your reads Math

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Imo emp/moz + probably giga, maybe mb

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Moz is an easy scum lynch. Has been a common factor for us masons all game

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I think both your plans are stupid and you should concisely rank scum teams for me from most to least likely. Math blade and hawk too.

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VOTE: moz

I'm ready for this. Outside of this I feel strongest about giga.

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Lol

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It's only game over if you're town moz

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I was out of town but I'm back. I want to kill King, but I want to NOT speedlynch so we can talk about tomorrow. We do need to /solve/ it today, or it gets a lot harder tomorrow.

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Empking is probably dying. Masons had him high on the list of scum for most of the game, along with moz.

I believe Hawk is town. I think that given the reaction to MB v Giga, that can't be a TvT. Like 85% sure there.

Between Mathblade and Giga, I think the push on Giga leads me to believe MB is scum. But I'm a lot less sure of this.


Math, help me out some. I just want some quick hot-takes. Who is scum with emp, and who is least likely to be scum with emp?

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Hawk, your turn. Giga or MB, which is scum?

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VOTE: emp

Ready for this. I think Emp + MB. I'm willing to lock that in.

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now

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@tojam fast night pls

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Giga was Antihuman and kentofan. Kento never posted. AH was pretty townie imo. Giga gutreads scum but could pretty easily be town too.
MathBlade was -Grey-. Grey was null / scum. MB has been slightly more town than scum.

My judgement is going off of Grey / AH mainly.

No sense beating around the bush. I'll call GG soon.

Last appeals?

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Mb anything else?

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VOTE: MB

If i'm wrong sorry I weighed the original slot pretty heavily

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PSYCH

IM THE LAST SCUM AHAHAHAHAHAHA

GG!!!!!1

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Were you the mason giga?

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and MB the VT? man we shoulda had them be the deciding vote.

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Instead you lose with MB It's still a happy ending after all

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Boo..This post reeks of buddying. Why the fuck would I care about looking Town? I am Town. That is all I need.

Moz reads ?

I don't like how ConMickMan and Fitz both have to re-evaluate. Seems like Moz is a planned mislynch of ConMickMan/Fitz but then because I pointed out they are hunting they have to readjust.

mod: Do scum have daychat?

If you do, I'm concerned.

Mod confirmation of Math!Scum.

I pmed him when it happened.

I thought for sure this was a snarky ass joke xD This didn't even occur to me

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Scum. Giga was Mason, MB was town VT