Open 665 - Friends and Enemies - Game Over! Town Victory!!!

[gigabyteTroubadour]

yeah uh i'm replacing in for antihuman i didnt actually know until now lol

{CMN, Uzi, Mathblade, Snarky, Hawk} are all town i'm pretty sure based on the last page which i skimmed last night

i think that poes the game down to fitz/mozamis/empking fmpov but from reading emp is the only one i actually scumread - will double check i'm not missing any slot tho

more after class i forgot entirely about this

[gigabyteTroubadour]

ok fitz i literally have only read page 47 and snarky and empking's iso why should i not lolhammer you rn for that "i'm not scum" claim that sounds like a slimy way to soft-mason-without-doing so

if you're an actual mason claiming is literally what you should be doung right now because you're about to be POE'd out of the game

i'm p sure you're just scum though

like i'm shocked that the scumteam hasnt picked up on whats been going on - part of why uzi's town

like is there any reason grendel was killed...? that kill baffles me but again i literally read 1 page and skimmed 2 isos so maybe i'm missing the nuance in such a risky kill but

going afk again

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math i am 99.9% sure i know the masons and i can tell you fitz isnt one

why is he being dodgy about his claim?

luv can you get in here i am pretty sure math is town but i dont want a repeat of pyp and i already see this convo going to hell

almost home btw

[gigabyteTroubadour]

gut says scum are deliberately not killing masons but why

moz/emp/fitz are all widely scumread

do they just not know who the masons are...?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

The only problem is your slot MB because Grey is unpredictable as hell.

uzi do you agree it's likely moz/fitz/emp?

least sure about moz being scum but everyone who dies seemed to be scumreading him?

like there has to be a reason a mason hasnt died yet - boring was obvious town so i can see why theyd opt to kill her over a mason but why grendel?

btw the extent i've read mathblade is ctrl-fing "fuck" in grey's iso and seeing 13 results in one page. meta analysis concludes town.

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but like

over confirmed town??

i dont understand why a scumteam is suicidal enough to not kill in the masonry because i literally didnt read shit and i'm like 99.9% sure i found the scumteam

boring was a potential recruit target so that at least makes sense

but grendel ?????????? it has to be deliberate

also if theres only two in that team, who's your backup scumread? mb?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

yeah im cool with moz

VOTE: moz

snarky why is fitz town i dont see it

but like

over confirmed town??

i dont understand why a scumteam is suicidal enough to not kill in the masonry because i literally didnt read shit and i'm like 99.9% sure i found the scumteam

boring was a potential recruit target so that at least makes sense

but grendel ?????????? it has to be deliberate

also if theres only two in that team, who's your backup scumread? mb?

I have no clue why to be honest.

I can't decided between Moz/MB/your slot. I'm pretty sure it isn't Hawk.

i'll towncase mb later then i guess

[gigabyteTroubadour]

My claim is I'm not scum

snarky you dont take issue with this?

:/

like he's leaving his claim options open

[gigabyteTroubadour]

also what's your scumteam pick in that case?

moz/emp/...mb?

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like ideally i'd vote empking here but i'm voting for whichever of moz/emp/fitz has the most votes w/o hammering at this point because i dont see myself being wrong on any townread except maybe mb but i highly doubt it

[gigabyteTroubadour]

moz

why is mathblade scum

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i really doubt he is scum.
why are you so certain about your reads?

scum!luv kills hawk N2 100% of the time

also this is a game with 3 confirmed town. it helps to read for subtle clues to find them

[gigabyteTroubadour]

if not them then who btw

[gigabyteTroubadour]

like if there's town in {moz, emp, fitz} then i'm just really disappointed here noah fence

[gigabyteTroubadour]

btw moz dont expect any towncredit from bussing here

scumteam making suboptimal kills here means that they have to bus in order to buy time to masonhunt

there is zero way this scumteam wins via direct CC in lylo against this masonry so they can't lynch a VT today

[gigabyteTroubadour]

ConManMick, Fitz, Hawk top scum reads.

That's three scum pair doesn't make sense MB.

It's Emp Fitz and Moz most likely. If you can't see it it's cause you're blind. Vote either Emp or Moz.

Town:
Hawk
LUV
CMM
Snowman

Null:
MB
Antihuman

Scum:
Fitz
Empking
Mozamis

I'll explain when my head isn't pounding from sinus headaches and I'm not drugged up on cough medicine.

sure do wonder why empking and fitz FOS Hawk

[gigabyteTroubadour]

{Grey, Snarky, Hawk, Anti}
{LUV, ConMan, Fitz, Alisae}
{Empking, Fancy, BBT,

Moz

}


We have a backup mod, right? Should we just try to contact him?

hmmm

[gigabyteTroubadour]

VOTE: Mozamis

HMMMM

[gigabyteTroubadour]

yeah im pretty sure emp and fitz doubling up on hawk like that means moz was groomed for endgame

explains why he's significantly less scummy too i'd bus both of my partners in his position

[gigabyteTroubadour]

detective giggles is on the case

until next time, gentlemen and Mathblade

[gigabyteTroubadour]

many people are ruled out this stage moz

also it's not meta it's common sense. hawk was the correct kill last night

[gigabyteTroubadour]

uzi is also the only person this game alive who makes sense

never lynching

[gigabyteTroubadour]

^uzi and hawk***

[gigabyteTroubadour]

fitz, uzi, emp, conman, snowman

also this doesnt make sense unless you're softing mason with me or hawk which is uh

lol

[gigabyteTroubadour]

VT -> faking mason to draw a nightkill

honestly with how this scumteam has been masonhunting this would go over their heads

[gigabyteTroubadour]

So uh, how is Moz not lynched?

Also I'm feeling good about fitz town now tbh

Because lynching Moz is lazy and lets people not state reads. If after you analyze every player you come back and say "Moz is scum because blah blah blah" then we have a discussion on our hands (assuming blah blah blah is actual reasons of course) But why do you think there are so many mislynches? Because we keep doing shit like not playing mafia having a few votes lurk around and complain why no lynch yet? That is the same thing that happened with Alisae.

CMM and Snowman reads. Now.

Catching up but could lynch in fitz, king, maybe still Moz.

yaaay town with decent reads

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i'll look into it tomorrow then probably wrt fitz. reading the dead ppl's final reads and votes the only conclusion i can draw here is that they were deliberately ignoring the masons bc they didnt think they were threatening and instead opted to kill players that were threatening. mozamis is a common denominator in both boring and and grendel's readlist, and mozamis is willing to vote both fitz and empking. conclusion here is that he's bussing and hoping to make 3way

super hyped about my new futon and a snow day tomorrow tho so gonna actually sleep for once lmaoo

i dont see uzi as scum at all so if not fitz it has to be mb

[gigabyteTroubadour]

FoS LUV

see it's always posts like this that make me hope you're scum when we play together but you're almost certainly town ://////

luv is the most obvious town there is, again, because in no universe does luv kill grendel and he's the only one who has any clue what's going on when scum have demonstrated that they do not. this game would not be as easy to replace in if uzi were scum.

you are confusing town apathy/already basically knowing the scumteam and not caring to vote for a top scumread because the scumteam is basically confirmed with scum tactics. there's 8 days to lynch and it's going to be empking/moz/fitz no matter what anyone does about it - i just want to make sure the masons and VTs are basically synced up in case one of them is actually town.

i'm fine with a hammer whenever hawk is, i think this'll be the first entirely town lynch of the game btw

[gigabyteTroubadour]

BlueBloodedToffee (L) - Alisae, Antihuman, boring, Hawk, Lil Uzi Vert, SnarkySnowman, ConManMick

wait nvm this is an all-town wagon tf

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Alisae (L-4) - Empking, mozamis, havingfitz

lol???????????????????

uzi do you think that makes sense

that the d1 lynch was all town and the cw was all scum?

like

i really REALLY do not see anything else in terms of reads

but what does this imply

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Vote: Having

- I laughed at con's joke.

Unvote

Reading Having as town.

Vote: Mozamis

- Hi.

Unvote

Reading Having as town.

Vote: Mozamis

- Hi.

Well, thanks for that.
Why and why?

He looks like he's genuinely scumhunting.
Have a go at guessing why.

this feel like really obvious SvS interactions btw

[gigabyteTroubadour]

moz > king > fitz > mb i think wins the game 100% of the time in terms of lynch order

[gigabyteTroubadour]

moz > king > fitz > mb i think wins the game 100% of the time in terms of lynch order

^ snarky & cmm can you vibe w/ this

[gigabyteTroubadour]

this feel like really obvious SvS interactions btw

*these

ebwop

[gigabyteTroubadour]

They're both obviously scum.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

mb remember when uzi talked about being in autowin

that doesn't come from this scumteam. look at the nightkills

uzi is basically conftown from our pov

[gigabyteTroubadour]

@emp and fitz a hawk lynch is mechanically impossible to achieve because you'll never get a fifth voter

mb these are the scum trying to get a nl ^^

[gigabyteTroubadour]

mb you're smart

look for the masonry. don't say it in-thread

you'll notice that literally ONLY ONE GROUP OF THREE SLOTS make sense as masons

that should be enough to crack the game open for you :/

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i just need mb to wisen up (or be scum) and hawk to at least let us know if he's as sure about the scumteam as i am

then i'm down for a hammer

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i'm p sure you're just scum though

And I'm p sure you wear pants on your head.

coming from someone voting for hawk this is a riot

[gigabyteTroubadour]

again if there is town in {moz, fitz, empking} i'm just very disappointed

mathblade can join that crew if they want i guess but im cutting them some slack

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i'm p sure you're just scum though

And I'm p sure you wear pants on your head.

coming from someone voting for hawk this is a riot

Because Hawk is comfirmed town somehow? I missed that confirmation.

please just read the game again if you're town for christ's sake

in a world you're town the scumteam is mb/emp/moz 100% of the time

don't lolhammer moz though i want hawk to talk to me

[gigabyteTroubadour]

If you're town you'll just have to resign yourself to being disappointed then. Why aren't you scum? Because of your slot's previous stellar play? Because you have come in and just overposted pointing your finger at people?

idk why i'm town that's just my role pm

at this point i don't have to do any sort of sorting because the scumteam is mechanically confirmed to me as soon as i get two townreads

i am certain uzi is town

that is literally all the info i need to solve this game

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i haven't read antihuman's iso at all btw so why was his slot even scummy

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i haven't read antihuman's iso at all btw so why was his slot even scummy

i have now read antihuman's iso and while it's not as clearing as uzi it's obvious town

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Scum is in Fitz, King, MB, and Moz.

That world you are posing doesn't make sense.

mb does the world of fitz/king/moz make sense to you at the very least

maybe do one of your vcas with that as the scumteam ;/

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Grendel seems like a very odd kill. He was far too try-hard to be a Masonm. So I'm guessing scum are in who he was lookng at.

ok so scum were deliberately not shooting for a mason

but?????????????????????????????????????????????

their strategy here tho makes zero sense though because the masonry is extremely fucking obvious - so as soon as a VT figures it out and has a correct townread outside of the masonry town wins

what the hell is the point of doing that

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Only Moz, but that's half the game so that still doesn'r explain the kill as compared to other more Mason-like players who were also on the Moz wagon.

Just stawp. Mentioning "mason-like" players is bad. Scum should not be given clues as to who the masons are. If they get clues they can start offing the masons which is bad. IMHO we have gotten lucky so far in that no masons have died.

In order to find the scum we generally need to look at people who don't want to talk about other players because then they have to have a read on them. In contrast masons will try to look as if they are hunting their partners even voting them occasionally to keep up appearances as to not have to put the mason team.

The scumteam and Mason team are likely going to both have insider knowledge and both will be defensive it is a matter of why they do what they do to find which.

yeah this isn't scum

math your scumteam is emp/moz/fitz

[gigabyteTroubadour]

math come online so i can sort you 100% like i did w uzi

[gigabyteTroubadour]

I explained why your team doesn't make sense and you ignore me and continue spouting yours

math why doesnt moz/emp/fitz make sense

pedit: lmao

i replaced into this game literally because of how obvious it was

call me selfish but i just wanted the easy win

[gigabyteTroubadour]

at least giga/math/uzi is possible from your pov

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at least those 2 seem open to debate and discussion, a town sign.

this is a shallow way to look at things

again

literally 1 townread is all i need to be 100% certain about my every move as town

this game is extremely close to being solved because we have 3 conftown

[gigabyteTroubadour]

fuck maybe I've got this all wrong. you and giga the scum on my wagon, not snowman or conman? at least those 2 seem open to debate and discussion, a town sign. fuck though giga did look very town. However, he does seem to be railroading town into a lynch with all his "game solved" bollocks. THIS GAME IS A LONG WAY FROM BEING SOLVED. I dunno. Maybe its just Uzi on my wagon. He's literally making no attempt to scum hunt at all. Maybe he's just waiting for his buddy mathblade to come in and hammer, and that's why he's so cocky?
uzi, mathblade and fitz? or giga? at least fitz seems a bit unsure and confused, a bit of a town tell. Giga's certainty is worrying.

btw math scum have to sow confusion and paranoia at the non-clears to have any shot w the strategy they're going for

this is a scum post

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i have given my reasoning for my uzi townread

do you need explanations for anything else? you shouldn't but the option to ask is there

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i have given my reasoning for my uzi townread

yeah but if you're scum with Uzi that means nothing.

you're acting as though i have no reasoning to have the game down to four suspects when thats literally a normal thing to do as town

[gigabyteTroubadour]

moz

think hard on this

i replaced into this game - BEFORE I GOT MY ROLE PM - knowing the masonry

does the narrative here where i implicitly imply knowing three conftown the whole game make sense when we have town (in a giga/math/fitz team) that isnt mason hunting and is still relying on reads? no.... i'd just allow townies like you and emp run around making bad lynchpools and maybe encourage that confusion

scum doesnt hand you a masonry of 4 for no good reason

[gigabyteTroubadour]

aight

[gigabyteTroubadour]

why cant it be mb/fitz/king again...?

gladly would lynch king btw but moz is at l-1 and it's what snarky wants

[gigabyteTroubadour]

ah ok

but yeah the game is solved and i think moz trying to paint that as scummy is.... lol

plus i think a scumteam with moz is the only one w any motive to kill boring and grendel. anyone else shoots a mason probably

[gigabyteTroubadour]

yeah boring is pretty good at looking town - i misread her in all of her scumgames i watched

i can see scum thinking she's a mason with drive to solve the game though with her reads which is why i think the kill wasnt bad

grendel is still utter mindfuck but everyone seems to agree from daystart

but only your actions up to this point actually seem to understand WHY it's mindfuck from a town perspective

and even you said the kill made some degree of sense

[gigabyteTroubadour]

{Snarky}

now that i think about it this is a scum reaction and probably why boring died

[gigabyteTroubadour]

mb remember when uzi talked about being in autowin

that doesn't come from this scumteam. look at the nightkills

uzi is basically conftown from our pov

just posting again now that im sure moz is scum so math doesnt miss it

[gigabyteTroubadour]

math uzi and i agree the scumteam atm is moz/empking/fitz

how are our opinions at an opposition

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i want them to say it

but yes i think it's pro-town

[gigabyteTroubadour]

tom are all of your games cursed

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btw i tried reading the game to see if fitz/emp made sense as masons and tried to find their recruitment but no one makes sense

so if scum decide to CC the masonry WE STILL WIN

literally our masonry is uncc'able since moz claimed vt

[gigabyteTroubadour]

VOTE: Moz

mb and fitz why do you keep assuming uzi is townreading moz idgi

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btw i tried reading the game to see if fitz/emp made sense as masons and tried to find their recruitment but no one makes sense

so if scum decide to CC the masonry WE STILL WIN

literally our masonry is uncc'able since moz claimed vt

Numb nuts no scum would CC the masonry here as it is auto loss for scum if they do lolol.

This reads like trying to bait out the masonry to claim it is horrible.

i was referring to in lylo obviously

although at this point i want a claim so that i stop being scumread for mozamis's shit reasoning and i can explain my uzi townread

[gigabyteTroubadour]

read page 35 if you're town for christ's sake

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i was on fitz

i am on moz now because snarky doesnt want fitz

they are both scum

i want the masons to claim for petty reasons, yes, but im not asking to do so if they don't want to

[gigabyteTroubadour]

tbf uzi has more of a right to be petty here BUT HOW CAN YOU NOT BE TOWN AND PETTY HERE seriously -_-

[gigabyteTroubadour]

read page 35 if you're town for christ's sake

^you can do this too math if you suspect hawk

[gigabyteTroubadour]

my sister has been playing her saxophone in my ear the past hour and i find this game more nauseating

i was on fitz

i am on moz now because snarky doesnt want fitz

they are both scum

i want the masons to claim for petty reasons, yes, but im not asking to do so if they don't want to

...So now Snarky is scum? Jesus keep your argument straight.

Fitz rope I agree.
Without reasons I don't see Moz scum.
And quit arguing this "solved" bullshit. I am trying to get where you are so convince me or vote Fitz.

no snarky is town

moz and fitz are both scum

i pointed out a specific post i didnt like i'll requote it

[gigabyteTroubadour]

fuck maybe I've got this all wrong. you and giga the scum on my wagon, not snowman or conman? at least those 2 seem open to debate and discussion, a town sign. fuck though giga did look very town. However, he does seem to be railroading town into a lynch with all his "game solved" bollocks. THIS GAME IS A LONG WAY FROM BEING SOLVED. I dunno. Maybe its just Uzi on my wagon. He's literally making no attempt to scum hunt at all. Maybe he's just waiting for his buddy mathblade to come in and hammer, and that's why he's so cocky?
uzi, mathblade and fitz? or giga? at least fitz seems a bit unsure and confused, a bit of a town tell. Giga's certainty is worrying.

btw math scum have to sow confusion and paranoia at the non-clears to have any shot w the strategy they're going for

this is a scum post

[gigabyteTroubadour]

scum either:

do not know the masons

have some reason to nk grendel

a scumteam w uzi fits neither

[gigabyteTroubadour]

moz is also scum in either case because he was the top scumread of both nks

the mason team is REALLY obvious so either 3 heads cant find them together OR they have a tactical reason to kill them

moz fits both it seems

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because the scumteam is moz/fitz/king and moz is at l-1

and no you dont have to TALK about it but you should have the information so you at least know why uzi and i are town

moz is also scum in either case because he was the top scumread of both nks

the mason team is REALLY obvious so either 3 heads cant find them together OR they have a tactical reason to kill them

moz fits both it seems

Stop this.
It is assuming moz is bad scum instead of assuming scum have Town fooled. The latter is much more likely as two mislynches have happened.

i'm saying that moz has a tactical reason to kill grendel and boring rather than the obvious masons :/

although the actions of most of the town show an utter lack of being able to find the masons so

[gigabyteTroubadour]

math read the interactions between fitz and me

is that really SvT??

[gigabyteTroubadour]

I don't think so. Moz and King have been background players. They exert almost 0 influence. This looks like you both are posturing and I hate it.

how is moz a background player

no one is posturing you're just missing the obvious and we're trying to get you to see it

you dont want the masons to claim? cool.

read into uzi and i's hints here then

remember what you said in undertale? scum doesnt hand you a bunch of conftowns for no reason

[gigabyteTroubadour]

sorry math i meant svt, hard to focus irl rn

I brought Fitz to L-1 he should not be that hard to lynch when almost every player scumreads Fitz. Then LUV pulls off. Antihuman the slot you replaced into wasn't on it if memory serves even though I think you said it was.

i said i was going to hammer him and then snarky pushed for moz which i said i'd sheep until hawk came back

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Snowman is a strong TR of ours, that is why we are trusting him on Moz.

Being town doesn't mean right. Being town means that you aren't actively trying to mislynch anyone and believe what you are saying is true. That doesn't make it true.

you are right

but if i had voted fitz upon replace in i'd hammer, moz was an alternative i liked, that wagon grew

the lynch order i proposed wins every time. the order doesnt matter but it's the order i prefer

[gigabyteTroubadour]

fuck maybe I've got this all wrong. you and giga the scum on my wagon, not snowman or conman? at least those 2 seem open to debate and discussion, a town sign. fuck though giga did look very town. However, he does seem to be railroading town into a lynch with all his "game solved" bollocks. THIS GAME IS A LONG WAY FROM BEING SOLVED. I dunno. Maybe its just Uzi on my wagon. He's literally making no attempt to scum hunt at all. Maybe he's just waiting for his buddy mathblade to come in and hammer, and that's why he's so cocky?
uzi, mathblade and fitz? or giga? at least fitz seems a bit unsure and confused, a bit of a town tell. Giga's certainty is worrying.

moz is trying to throw shade at me after i called the scumteam so he can contrive a scumread and lynch me

the logic here doesnt make sense either - I poe'd the scum down to four people and if my one townread and masonreads are right we have 1 ml and win

how does that NOT make sense from a town perspectice?

moz has to make my play look scummy becaue scum have to break the townbloc to win

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i prefer moz over fitz because the nks point to moz more than fitz and i cant think of a reason to not kill a mason

[gigabyteTroubadour]

18 is also good for proving uzi!town

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i have hunted the possiblity i'm wrong on my mason reads

fitz/emp would be my guess in that case - but who did they recruit?

no one else makes sense

math please at least remember what happened in pyp? i think this is a similar situation so please listen to what uzi and i are saying, find the masons, realize why only town knows the masons atm, and work with us

i prefer moz over fitz because the nks point to moz more than fitz and i cant think of a reason to not kill a mason

Again. Shitty reason. Scum you and Scum Uzi could do that to frame Moz even if I agreed with your reasons which are NAI as scum like you both could have theought Grendel mason.

I don't care what you prefer I care about what nets scum.

Yeah we could but again why do that over a mason?

the scumteam is on thin ice because the masonry is still alive. town can poe while there's still abml

it's a wasteful gambit to lynch someone who has been a primary scumread all game

[gigabyteTroubadour]

sorry math i meant svt, hard to focus irl rn

I brought Fitz to L-1 he should not be that hard to lynch when almost every player scumreads Fitz. Then LUV pulls off. Antihuman the slot you replaced into wasn't on it if memory serves even though I think you said it was.

i said i was going to hammer him and then snarky pushed for moz which i said i'd sheep until hawk came back

Bullshit I don't think you did.
I think that fight is you as scum fake fighting with Fitz.

We are lynching Fitz to "prove" your PoE. The fact you know I am Town means you are buddying me. Fitz now.

i am fine with a fitz lynch if cmm or hawk are

like i understand town =/= right but i dont trust you or moz as much as them

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also i dont know you're town i'm trying to sort you

please let's not repeat past mistakes and at least find the really obvious masonry so you can understand why uzi and i have to be town here

[gigabyteTroubadour]

also you realize moz got off of fitz too right

why cant he be scum trying to find an excuse to not bus??

[gigabyteTroubadour]

We are going in circles because you just say "obvious" yet don't hunt at all. And then you demand I sheep you. This is not productive.

i replaced in because i found the masons and had a single townread

when i found out this slot was town i realized that was enough to poe the game

seriously moz's logic for scumreading me is scumlogic - if i found the only combination of three slots that make sense as masons and had a townread because someone else did and the actions of scum reflect not knowing the masons, then obviously i'm not hunting shit because i basically have the scumteam handed to me on a silver platter. he's saying i have to be scum because i'm too sure of myself when the game is mechanically solved

not hunting isnt a scumtell in this gamestate. if you dont want the masons to out then you need to investigate

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Fine we'll just work around you. Hawk please vote Moz when you get back.

or fitz if you prefer it

[gigabyteTroubadour]

I HAVE PROVIDED YOU THE ENTIRETY OF MY CASE MATH

THIS IS LITERALLY A REPEAT OF PYP AAAAAAHHHHAHAHFUDKDNCHEJSBXHUF

[gigabyteTroubadour]

like there's no way math is scum here so hawk can lolhammer

[gigabyteTroubadour]

if it were fitz+luv i doubt fitz votes hawk here btw

[gigabyteTroubadour]

if it were fitz+luv i doubt fitz votes hawk here btw

I think he does to see what mislynches are possible.

uh

no

because uzi knows thats not a possible lynch

[gigabyteTroubadour]

did u just imply that im experienced

[gigabyteTroubadour]

VC 3.2

mozamis (L-1) - ConManMick, SnarkySnowman, gigabyteTroubadour, Lil Uzi Vert

havingfitz (L-2) - MathBlade, mozamis, Hawk
Hawk (L-3) - havingfitz, Empking

NV (0)

(expired on 2017-02-17 16:49:00)

would you like him to be CMM?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Not completely ruling out Giga but Anti's slot was fairly town.

@ Uzi gotta hope not, but what about giga and math? They're both experienced players. I will be FUCKING FURIOUS if they are taking the piss out of us.
Though grey looked really town so prob not i guess. Just not sure i love all this back and forth between them.

btw this is scum too

scum need to lynch two vts and so scum have to pick one vt to work with

js

[gigabyteTroubadour]

VOTE: fitz

l-1 still would like hawk to post but feel free to lolhammer

[gigabyteTroubadour]

also azure is just blue

maybe it has a little green but it's no teal

Aww stop
I have learned my lesson about buying spirits in airports that are not the country of origin
Bleh
Ruined it

I neeeeeeed some Teeling with feeling
I need to not D hammer
I need to tell theod that yes, six Nations supporting Ireland and what a disappointing showing against Scotland
Scotland came out to play rugby, and Ireland were just sort of on the pitch at the same time

me too thanks

[gigabyteTroubadour]

my initial townread of math is correct fitz

making you and moz scumbuddies

feel free to bus (bus emoji)

[gigabyteTroubadour]

If you're town moz you're terrible.

0 right to say this voting hawk btw

[gigabyteTroubadour]

mood music while i wait for hawk

[gigabyteTroubadour]

btw if any of fitz/moz/emp hit l-1 w/o me on the wagon i will lolhammer without hesitation after hawk posts

[gigabyteTroubadour]

hawk i hope ur ok

[gigabyteTroubadour]

eh fuck it cmm if u wanna lolhammer have at it

[gigabyteTroubadour]

WIFOOOOOOOOM
NO HAMMER TINE WHEN HANNERSD

same

[gigabyteTroubadour]

chu know what
VOTE: bed

good vote

[gigabyteTroubadour]

buddying noted.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

If you're town moz you're terrible. Just in your last three posts you've inferred half the remaining players are scum. Including the player I'm voting. You're all over the place.

I'm not sure you're scum though so I don't feel like hammering you atm. I'll look your ISO over and decide. Assuming I'm not lynched first.

this is a buddy interaction btw ^ @math

[gigabyteTroubadour]

like now that i've admitted to being willing to lolhammer at this point fitz is going to find every excuse to not vote moz

[gigabyteTroubadour]

We use masons as day one confirmed innocents to ensure a town-led lynch now. It's the new hip thing.

^ this is probably optimal play tbh ^

for future reference obviously

[gigabyteTroubadour]

wait fuck i've been playing this like it's the wrong set-up

there's three masons and no recruitment here right?

thought there was

[gigabyteTroubadour]

reads don't change as in who is town or who is scum but i misread the masonry ok

[gigabyteTroubadour]

I've been working off the assumption that Moz and Having are Masons - I haven't looked for the third since Mason-hunting is anti-town - which would explain Moz' immortality since Mason's won't bus etc. They're bussing right now, which doesn't really make sense.

I think I may have been reading the game all wrong. Which would make human if I stuck by it Still if the people who had a better grasp of the game are calling for a hasmmer then I guess

Unvote
Vote: Having

I'm going to get to rereading the game.

p-edit: Oh, that confirms it sorry guys

math this read progression isnt town tf

so he's considering he has the masons wrong — ok cool i'm human shit happens

but then hes still calling the scumteam SS/LUV/Hawk?

calling horseshit there's zero re-evaluation here

emp im pretty sure is hammering for towncred

fitz's reaction doesnt ping me as definite town so it's possible he's twilight trolling still imo

this game needed the masons to claim imo but hopefully that goes down in lylo

hawk we'll miss ya dearly </3

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I haven't looked for the third since Mason-hunting is anti-town

also tf is this

doing in-thread stuff like outing reads and asking questions to push for masontells =/= masonhunting

just reading the thread and noting associations isnt anti-town

[gigabyteTroubadour]

in a SS/LUV/Hawk world we have:

vts: moz, emp, giga
masons: math, fitz, cmm

technically i guess my name could be swapped around w any mason but it still makes zero sense

giga/luv/fitz makes somewhat more sense at least but masons have awkward interactions D1.

really though w every possible team do this excercise and you'll see why moz/king are the right lynches tomorrow regardless of flip

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1. only read i have ever been asked to give was uzi and i explained it the way i would whether he's mason or vt

2. fair enough but like at this point it's on them for refusing to reread the thread when asked to. i think the scumteam has been deliberately not shooting masons so im not even sure if we lose a mason tonight. plus several other slots (some mason reads, some vt reads) have already alluded to their reads so...

also tffff on the language bit literally everyone says "regardless of flip" it's just common sense to acknowledge you're not perfect. does it make me scum or are you just trying to shade me here?

yeah im not confident about the lynch because i hated your hammer and fitz was probably my weakest scumread but the gap between him and mb in my reads is huge so i really do not care. info is info and if fitz flips town i have to read the grey slot closer than ISO'ing and ctrl-f'ing the times he said fuck and using my "math is playing to scum wincon when scumhunting w/o prs? town" tell on math

[gigabyteTroubadour]

grey why did u have to replace out ?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

morning friends and mozamis and empking and mathblade

scumteam is obvious but i'll wait for everyone to check in before voting

[gigabyteTroubadour]

good vote

buddying noted.
come on someone hammer fitz already.

Not completely ruling out Giga but Anti's slot was fairly town.

@ Uzi gotta hope not, but what about giga and math? They're both experienced players. I will be FUCKING FURIOUS if they are taking the piss out of us.
Though grey looked really town so prob not i guess. Just not sure i love all this back and forth between them.

where i implicitly imply knowing three conftown the whole game make

well thanks for "implicitly implying" LOL what the fuck is this scummy shit? I'm afraid you coming in, and going "nudge, nudge, wink, wink, i know who the masons are" MEANS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!

You're just trying to rush a lynch, and you give no reasons, you just assert "i've solved the game". That's not scum hunting, it's not questioning. You're scum.

literally 1 townread is all i need to be 100% certain about my every move as town

No, when people ask you for reasons, you saying "becuase I am certain" is NOT an explanation, it's just affirmation/circular. That is scummy "logic".
Cutting through all of your long winded stuff, essentially all you have done since you have come in is go "yeah, game solved peeps, follow me!".
What utter bollocks.

VOTE GIGABYTE

not sure if i want moz for ^ this crap ^ where he literally tries to twist scum motivation out of nothing because scum need to ml fitz and then me to win and moz realized no one wants hawk

or king for that shitty hammer

hawk doesnt fit with moz/king imo but mathblade seems like how they always are so that call is a bit tougher

fitz lynch i feel was scum motivated though and math was the one who annoyed me onto it; my fault for not lolhammering moz but i was pretty sure math was town at the time so i still take responsibility but yeah

[gigabyteTroubadour]

yo tf

grey totally reads like a mozamis partner holy shit

[gigabyteTroubadour]

mozamis, don't think I will let you slide on not taking a stance on the Ali vs. Grey 1v1.

Just look at his votes. I already ran him off my wagon once, but now that he has a little support he comes slinking back onto it.

You have to be ballsy scum to do that. The fact that Alisae keeps changing her mind suggests "flexible town" to my mind. Open minded. Scum prefer to slap down a vote and then slip away.

Bullshit. Keep reading.

Gut is telling me town on town.

Scummy ass copout.

Scum mindset: I don't want to bus, but how can I defend my buddy when his case was torn to shreds? Ooh, TvT!

@ grey NO. So ften i see these massive fights on day 1, and they are nearly always TvsT. Scum dont normally want to get so involved. They want to blend in, not have some epic fight. Stop OMGUSing and try and be open minded.

Bullshit.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=69704

I started out the game the same damned way as this one.

Bonus: Alisae WAS IN THAT GAME TOO.

I'm powerlynching your ass d2 when Ali flips red.

he kind of just shades moz at first

Since ConManMick has my other scumread voting for him, I think I'll

VOTE: mozamis

then when he has to detunnel he does vote

but he does shit to push moz and then never goes back there

meanwhile mathblade has done everything they could to deny i even have a scumread on moz despite explaining ad nauseum

reads like scum hesitant to bus

[gigabyteTroubadour]

{boring, Alisae}
{}
{FancyPants, havingfitz, Hawk}
{SnarkySnowman, Antihuman, Empking, LilUziVert}
{BBT}
{mozamis, ConManMick}

strong boring townread is also going against literally everything i know about grey too

cant divulge specifics sadly but uh

no way does he have this tr this strong as town

[gigabyteTroubadour]

like town!grey probably gets really paranoid of boring and bs's shitty meta because he's scared of boring's scumgame

he basically treats me the same way and for a while it was a reliable scumtell for him when he never did it

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i really just want to vote but i can wait

[gigabyteTroubadour]

ok so my read was shitty but that was then this is now

unless there's something about the mcmenno wagon you think is AI/relevant this is a pointless discussion

Where's all the angst over being wrong and hand-wringing about having to reconsider townreads?

VOTE: Giggles

i have.

the equivalent of a cop guilty.

and you fuckos are voting 2 randoms.

My vote isn't random.

Town!Giggles acts nothing like this after pushing multiple mislynches.

She's pushing an agenda, not game solving.

this gets me every time i read the game lmfao

[gigabyteTroubadour]

VOTE: moz

cool time confirm him as scum

[gigabyteTroubadour]

no one hammer yet

[gigabyteTroubadour]

as long as you or uzi are voting with me we're fine - dont need both votes

i'm certain he's scum too but mechanically POE'ing teams is something we can utilize

[gigabyteTroubadour]

^ which is why i dont want to end the day yet

the game is literally down to hawk and me trusting each other - i still think it's mathblade as the third goon

[gigabyteTroubadour]

That makes literally no sense if you're town :/

?

three way lylo is me, hawk, mb

[gigabyteTroubadour]

lemme phrase it this way

both vts need to townread each other to win

i am a vt

i believe hawk is the other

ergo i want to use this day to mechanically confirm one of us

[gigabyteTroubadour]

the masons are luv and snarky math

hawk claimed vt

never called hawk a mason either

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i can conf myself by not hammering hawk

hawk can not hammer me

basically creating a second masonry that's confirmed once empking and moz are lynched

[gigabyteTroubadour]

obviously it's not required

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Fine, we'll just lynch Fitz and I'll do the thing Day 3.

Or you can provide reasons now.

There's masons VTs and mafia. That's it. There is no "thing" you can do today except provide reasons. Since ya know Day 3 is today.

Day 4

No there is a thing and it doesn't matter if we fuck up today because it's an auto win if I do it tomorrow.

uzi is a mason

emp already claimed not mason

as have you

as has moz

hawk claimed vt

the masons are literally already outed. uzi and snarky

vote me if you think i'm scum instead of posturing

[gigabyteTroubadour]

uzi back me up here math is literally lying about shit that happened in thread

it's snarky and uzi and i've known as much before i replaced in

[gigabyteTroubadour]

@math, emp, moz

vote me

right now

[gigabyteTroubadour]

wait fuck i've been playing this like it's the wrong set-up

there's three masons and no recruitment here right?

thought there was

reads don't change as in who is town or who is scum but i misread the masonry ok

oh i see where this confusion comes from

still mb i tried to be as vague as possible about whether uzi/hawk was the receuited mason so the fact you read into this as though i thought it was hawk is

interesting

[gigabyteTroubadour]

VOTE: Uzi

Get off the mason.

Got news for you

[gigabyteTroubadour]

hawk recognized the masonry

it was

REALLY

blindingly obvious

[gigabyteTroubadour]

@math, emp, moz

vote me

right now

^^

this needs to happen.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

I've been working off the assumption that Moz and Having are Masons - I haven't looked for the third since Mason-hunting is anti-town - which would explain Moz' immortality since Mason's won't bus etc. They're bussing right now, which doesn't really make sense.

I think I may have been reading the game all wrong. Which would make human if I stuck by it Still if the people who had a better grasp of the game are calling for a hasmmer then I guess

Unvote
Vote: Having

I'm going to get to rereading the game.

p-edit: Oh, that confirms it sorry guys

math this read progression isnt town tf

so he's considering he has the masons wrong — ok cool i'm human shit happens

but then hes still calling the scumteam SS/LUV/Hawk?

calling horseshit there's zero re-evaluation here

emp im pretty sure is hammering for towncred

fitz's reaction doesnt ping me as definite town so it's possible he's twilight trolling still imo

this game needed the masons to claim imo but hopefully that goes down in lylo

hawk we'll miss ya dearly </3

Trying to further suggest Hawk mason

holy shit that last line is literally the fakest bs i was sloppily trying to pull the nk onto him bc i knew he was a vt lmaoooo

[gigabyteTroubadour]

like this was the most obvious masonry ever

why did grendel die

[gigabyteTroubadour]

also salty they killed cmm over luv (or hawk lmfaoooo)

cmm's iso was rly funny

[gigabyteTroubadour]

You tell me. I already posted my theory.

LUV I get it you're a Mason no need to spam lol

already posted yesterday

to protect mozamis

[gigabyteTroubadour]

like moz keeps MYSTERIOUSLY dodging rope

[gigabyteTroubadour]

it's a rhetorical question to allude to the fact that the scum either didnt know who the masons were or found vts more threatening (ie point of my case)

like moz keeps MYSTERIOUSLY dodging rope

Not being lynched is not alignment indicative.

it's not but moz has been extremely scummy and yet his counterwagons always win out and the strongest players pushing him die

it's not indicative but it's strong evidence something is up

[gigabyteTroubadour]

ok then it is indicative

stop arguing semantics we are killing moz like we should have yesterday

[gigabyteTroubadour]

like you're not winning 3way lylo now that i've actually read the game and see that grey was playing to his scum meta

[gigabyteTroubadour]

a: they both want mozamis

b: i read LITERALLY ONE PAGE before replacing in (47 i think) and figured it out :/

[gigabyteTroubadour]

yeah uh i'm replacing in for antihuman i didnt actually know until now lol

{CMN, Uzi, Mathblade, Snarky, Hawk} are all town i'm pretty sure based on the last page which i skimmed last night

i think that poes the game down to fitz/mozamis/empking fmpov but from reading emp is the only one i actually scumread - will double check i'm not missing any slot tho

more after class i forgot entirely about this

^^ stop misrepping me lmfao ^^

[gigabyteTroubadour]

So you read the game to find the masons (supposedly)

this is a misrep

reading ONE page =/= reading to find the masons

thats not the logical conclusion

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Let masons speak

Free all masons from captivity

lmaooo

me speaking for myself isnt stopping the masons from doing so

[gigabyteTroubadour]

uzi: the most damning thing imo are mozamis's reactions to my replace in

read our combined iso if you have to but i literally do not see what the tactical purpose of a SvS interaction like that is

like he's trying to transition to a scumread of me after saying he townread my entrance. why? because you, hawk, and snarky entertained the possibility of me being scum while everyone has made it clear we're not lynching hawk.

it's a forced thought process he made out of necessity. if we were distancing then i wouldnt have gotten off of him

[gigabyteTroubadour]

rushing the day isnt ai

i'm replaced in because i was sure you and hawk were town and knew the masonry, so the game was really easy

[gigabyteTroubadour]

*i replaced in

[gigabyteTroubadour]

fine

rushing the day is town

when you know the masonry and eliminate the pool of suspects to 4 people spending more time gives scum more time to swing the lynch in their favor

kinda like what happened with fitz

[gigabyteTroubadour]

@math, emp, moz

vote me

right now

^ all u need to know bb

[gigabyteTroubadour]

hopefully uzi then sees the benefit :/

if hawk doesnt hammer he's conf to me so we have our lylo planned out risk free

[gigabyteTroubadour]

the fact your role pm is red for starters

[gigabyteTroubadour]

yo lemme be sassy it's my one chance

[gigabyteTroubadour]

you realize that gets shot down as soon as hawk doesn't hammer right

[gigabyteTroubadour]

moz is literally about to be confscum

[gigabyteTroubadour]

you realize that gets shot down as soon as hawk doesn't hammer right

Now that you've called it out no.

And furthermore that is wine.

You and King are scum.

it's not wine lmfao???

if it's hawk/giga/king then the game ends as soon as hawk logs on

you and hawk not hammering means scum are already voting him

a mason is voting moz

ergo he's confscum

this is mafia 101 lmao

[gigabyteTroubadour]

scum are already voting him if he's town**

but you knew that

[gigabyteTroubadour]

tHIS IS LYLO MATH

YOU ARE CONFIRMED TO BE EITHER TOWN OR SCUM WITH MOZ

MOZ IS CONFIRMED SCUM TO ME (and it's scummy af that moz isnt voting me when this is true)

THIS ISNT ABOUT INTELLIGENCE YOU ARE IGNORING MECHANICS

you not hammering playing to your wincon and completely irrelevant here

point is moz is confirmed scum

holy shit

vote me right now math

[gigabyteTroubadour]

*is playing to your wincon

[gigabyteTroubadour]

mathblade

i know you're scum so you're missing the point deliberately

but fmpov moz has to be scum because if both of us were town then the scumteam is you/king/hawk which means you and empking would quickhammer

your bussing meta means shit because if moz were town and you scum... not hammering here is a gamethrow

so if you're town hawk quickhammers, if he's town he waits

simple as that

i have no idea where you're pulling this shit from

[gigabyteTroubadour]

once hawk doesn't qh then moz is confscum to everyone since the scumteam has to be giga/uzi/king for him to be town

[gigabyteTroubadour]

I am not unvoting

play to your wincon

this has jack shit to do with your alignment btw where am i making cases about YOU?

i am literally just saying that moz is confscum fmpov

[gigabyteTroubadour]

right my masterplan of getting everyone to townread me by calling them idiots and rush through the day because that's what people townread

The masons already decided they want Moz today and king tomorrow. We're just waiting on Hawk to not hammer. tf is your point

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Imo emp/moz + probably giga, maybe mb

^ unvoting =/= not deciding that's the lynch

[gigabyteTroubadour]

also i am not stopping myself from letting the masons talk

stop painting me defending myself as scummy when my lynch literally costs town the game

[gigabyteTroubadour]

like i wanted you/empking/moz to all vote me so hawk either hammers me and wins or i can put you on ignore from knowing that's the scumteam

[gigabyteTroubadour]

hawk can you post soon?

ty

[gigabyteTroubadour]

just realized the irony of mathblade caring about a mason-lead lynch today and yet accusing me of being scum for wanting one yesterday

[gigabyteTroubadour]

sorry math i meant svt, hard to focus irl rn

I brought Fitz to L-1 he should not be that hard to lynch when almost every player scumreads Fitz. Then LUV pulls off. Antihuman the slot you replaced into wasn't on it if memory serves even though I think you said it was.

i said i was going to hammer him and then snarky pushed for moz which i said i'd sheep until hawk came back

Bullshit I don't think you did.
I think that fight is you as scum fake fighting with Fitz.

We are lynching Fitz to "prove" your PoE. The fact you know I am Town means you are buddying me. Fitz now.

i am fine with a fitz lynch if cmm or hawk are

like i understand town =/= right but i dont trust you or moz as much as them

^snarky was anti-fitz lynch

[gigabyteTroubadour]

im sorry for being a binch btw

i literally cannot talk to scum wo getting annoyed lmaoooooo

[gigabyteTroubadour]

congrats moz you're confirmed scum

[gigabyteTroubadour]

UNVOTE:

self hammers and what not

[gigabyteTroubadour]

if you guys want to do any tactical voting or need to sort me hmu

otherwise i'm good to powerlynch moz and king

[gigabyteTroubadour]

@hawk snarky and uzi when do you guys want to end the day

probably going to stop checking this thread for a day or so, so if you just want to end the day now i'm down w that too

[gigabyteTroubadour]

wait

one more post

[gigabyteTroubadour]

hawk can still be town fmpov??

how is hawk confscum to me

[gigabyteTroubadour]

moz is the only person who is hard confirmed scum

it can be you/moz/king or you/moz/hawk or king/hawk/moz fmpov :/

[gigabyteTroubadour]

^ btw notice the hawk teams make 0 sense

[gigabyteTroubadour]

moz is confirmed scum uzi - no one hammered and you're voting for him

i'll vote as soon as snarky and hawk give me the Ok (dont l-1 him at let him self)

[gigabyteTroubadour]

*him and let

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i'm antihuman not grey

also unvote hawk i want snarky to L-1 him

moz will likely selfhammer so i dont want to end this day prematurely

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Boo..This post reeks of buddying. Why the fuck would I care about looking Town? I am Town. That is all I need.

Moz reads ?

I don't like how ConMickMan and Fitz both have to re-evaluate. Seems like Moz is a planned mislynch of ConMickMan/Fitz but then because I pointed out they are hunting they have to readjust.

mod: Do scum have daychat?

If you do, I'm concerned.

lmao @ mod reaction

at best hawk that's nai - i think mathblade has the capability to not be ""derpcleared"" from that. it's nai at best

[gigabyteTroubadour]

also ruleset explicitly says no daytalk

read the rules ppl

[gigabyteTroubadour]

hawk have you played with town grey before?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Anti was fairly town but Grey not so much and as I've said before, his unpredictably makes me think he's the last scum.

grey tends to be unpredictable regardless of alignment but he's WAY more trolly/aggressive as town

here he feels more passive and there wasnt a lot of heart in his pushes (moz especially)

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Still think Grey is scum

also fake af reaction to that hammer jfc

[gigabyteTroubadour]

GG Giga. Now it is a matter of finding out if this is instant loss or not when tojam2 gets on.

@Hawk why the hell didn't you let the masons talk???????

Like OMG.

the dude is literally confirmed scum from everyone's perspective stop acting like u dont know the flip

[gigabyteTroubadour]

also lol @ math & co never voting me bc they dont want to confirm themselves as scum

[gigabyteTroubadour]

so i'm assuming the masons are ready to end the day?

hawk, do you need the thread open to decide between math and me?

i'll vote as soon as the masons say yes and hawk doesnt need an open thread

[gigabyteTroubadour]

hawk can still be town fmpov??

how is hawk confscum to me

@math i want to hear the scumlogic here btw

[gigabyteTroubadour]

only because it's fun, here's an in-depth explanation as to why Moz is confirmed scum:

[spoiler=""Possible"" Teams]Empking/Giga/Hawk - Giga doesn't unvote in 1547, Hawk quickhammers in 1545, OR Giga quickhammers in 1560

Empking/Giga/Mathblade - Mathblade quickhammers in 1516.

Empking/Mathblade/Hawk - Hawk quickhammers in 1545

Giga/Mathblade/Hawk - Mathblade quickhammers in 1516, Giga doesn't unvote in 1547, Hawk quickhammers in 1545, OR Giga quickhammers in 1560.

LUV/Giga/Empking - In this parallel universe, Hawk is the actual mason and roleswaps with LUV for some reason?? Believable but extremely unlikely. But even then, Giga hammers in 1560. Included since before I unvoted, hawk voted, and I didn't hammer, this was the scumteam from town!moz's pov for a while but now it's impossible lmao[/spoiler]

if you really want to stretch it the only way moz can possibly be town is Mathblade being scum too scared to quickhammer and empking and I are the partners.

so yeah he's good as dead today