Fire Emblem: Heroes of Mafia [Game Over]

[Vaxkiller]

First

VOTE: Fire Assassin

[Vaxkiller]

We all follow my vote now.

[Vaxkiller]

Glad to see you guys know the rules of he who posts first.

[Vaxkiller]

Gamma + Fire Assassin = ?

[Vaxkiller]

Life is never that simple tbh

Sometimes I make posts like that tho, and fantasize about them being true.

One day my day will come, where I will point back to the 2nd page and say "LOOK! I KNEW WHO THE SCUM TEAM WAS PAGE 2!"

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Crap, now who am I going to vote?

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I was going to vote Gif, but Dunn replacing Frie Assassin?

VOTE: Dunn

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Geez, I was just playing earlier.

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I cant really do anything else

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I think getting the first post has worn off.



VOTE: Gamma

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@Papa - I'm going to make a bigger post and go over my thoughts in regards to your insight.

This should happen by the end of the day.

It's page 7.....

That said, I look forward to reading your report.

[Vaxkiller]

The Boonskiies Color Wheel

Scumminess is a spectrum disorder. I like it!

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My gut is saying Vax is scum what do you think

My gut says I should not have ate that second sandwich.

My gut is saying Vax is scum what do you think

Why does your gut tell you this?

I'm not an anti-vaxxer IRL, but I can become one itt if he's scum.

Anyone ever make thier online alias about something really obscure, but then due to society, it becomes associated with something you didn't intend? That's me.

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What for? Lurking?

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VaX getting off the Dunn wagon once it was gaining speed just to hop on Gamma's feels scummy. Why did he suddenly get cold feet?

Saw this and I was like: WTF, I didn't get cold feet. Everyone abandoned my vote. THen I realized why: Goto page 6
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=125

At the top desp, quotes cabd, and I took it for the current votes. Hence why I said:

I think getting the first post has worn off.



VOTE: Gamma

I thought everyone left me.

Still, I'm not really seeing anything really scummy at the moment. A few things here and there, but nothing telling.

[Vaxkiller]

Where are these big posts that were promised? I need some reading material.

[Vaxkiller]

@Dunn

What happened between posts VOTE: 238 and VOTE: 244 taht made you change your vote so quickly?

Also, I'm back!
VOTE: Dunn

[Vaxkiller]

Well that didnt go well.

[Vaxkiller]

well, the last post was a lie, i don't want to lynch dunn. i was hoping for a snappy response from Vax.

"snappy response"

I really dont have any great reasons for voting anyone. Dunns vote switch seems a little suspicious, and I would like to put some pressure there.

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I really wouldn't mind a gamma lynch either.

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this counterwagon tho

VOTE: NotRadiantCowbells

^ This was awkward, but could just be him being a silly goose.

Gamma + Fire Assassin = ?

if you actually think i'd make that post as scum with fire as my scumbuddy instead of just peacing out for a bit and coming back later you're real bad at this game

^This was an over-reaction

all of vax's posts on page 4 do seem kinda bad

It's at least better than what i'm doing now anyway

VOTE: Vaxkiller

The first sentence throws alot of shade, especially with the word

all

. But then he follows up with "seem kinda" because he doesnt want to go all in and have to defend why he thinks those posts are bad.

@gamma, what about those posts on page 4 were bad?

[Vaxkiller]

all of vax's posts on page 4 do seem kinda bad

vax has the worst posts out of anyone in the game atm

Glad to seem I'm progressing.

[Vaxkiller]

my 78 is basically just shit posting and looking around.

88 and 91 are genuine reactions to waht dunn was doing.

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Because at that point I had no reasons to vote Fire or Dunn, so its basically me saying "lets try this"

[Vaxkiller]

Because at that point I had no reasons to vote Fire or Dunn

or gif for that matter. Just randomly chose that name.

As far as why? If you would been watching over the shoulder type that post out and ask why I did that? I would have responded, why not?

[Vaxkiller]

Because open ended questions are usually better at getting inside someones head.

I realize "Why do you want to lynch dunn?" is open as well, but compared to "tell me your thought process" its more closed.

[Vaxkiller]

You can get more information from asking a rather open "tell me your thought process" than a more direct "why do you want to lynch dunn"

[Vaxkiller]

Maybe papa has a different reason tho.

[Vaxkiller]

Because at that point I had no reasons to vote Fire or Dunn

or gif for that matter. Just randomly chose that name.

As far as why? If you would been watching over the shoulder type that post out and ask why I did that? I would have responded, why not?

Ok.

Given current gamestate (aka you're the only vote on Dunn) and given our timeline (7 days to deadline) and given your reasons behind the vote to begin with (aka none) why are you still there?

VOTE: Gamma

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His responses rub me the wrong way.

As far as super or thinkbig, I'll look into thier isos and take a look. I don't remeber anyone making a great case for either.

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Wait are we talking about the same person

Now I dont know.

If you wanted to know why Vax wanted to lynch Dunn why didn't you just say "Why do you want to lynch Dunn?"

I thought this was directed at papa zito and our conversation.

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\/@><

just like my avatar

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I like boonskies post! I could still vote Dunn, I still dont get THinkBig, I can see Super a little bit

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@Dunn can you give us something mor substantial?

[Vaxkiller]

I had my chance to steal it too

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Like you could argue that he could have got something away from the original question but what did he have to gain by going lol nvm

i said it. i wanted an immediate response from Vax, but i didn't get one so the post became meaningless. i clarified i didn't want to lynch Dunn because i'm townreading him.

i said i might follow Vax onto Dunn to give the impression i was with Vax, not against them. it was a spur of the moment idea that didn't pan out due to Vax leaving thw thread at that time, or something.

how does not undwrstanding my motives make me scum? why as scum would i add that i wanted to lynch Dunn and then say that i didn't a post later?

This whole interaction seems like you were trying to frame me or something.

...for the purposes of seeing why Vax was voting Dunn. i really thought that was implied.
why would i need to come off as non-threatening to Vax in the first place as scum?

My reasons were in the post I voted, that was literally on top of your post: 275 276 277

i'll explain one more time, and after that i don't care.
i wanted Vax to respond immediately. not with a case. i wanted an immediate reason why he was voting Dunnstral.
my first thought on how to possibly make that happen was to pretend i was already close to voting Dunnstral. if Vax was scum, i thought he might take advantage of it/be more forthcoming.

it was spur of the moment. it wasn't a big deal.

I did.

VOTE: Not chara

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I put my opinions out there. Your post is a little defensive of chara. How do you feel aboutit?

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How did you feel?

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Why are you townreading Chara

Enterance post in 257 is cool:

read up from yesterday.
Boonskiies feels like town. also has the best avatar in the thread right now. i voted Fro99er initially for his point about scum being concerned about flavour (because how does that translate to asking in thread? scum have google) but now i'm townreading him for it. go figure. :>
Brian's Malachite vote is terrible. 'nothing else interests me at this time'? he voted Malachite for completely NAI behaviour. i don't know if that makes him scum.
superhans wagon doesn't feel good either. i guess early wagons don't need a lot of reason, but it seems to be the go-to for a lot of players.
like Dunn's Brian vote, though. Peregrine voting Malachite too continues not to make sense to me.

VOTE: Brian Skies
could also vote GIF for now.

Anything else? That post seems kind null to me, but whatever.

[Vaxkiller]

...why is that post null? it has reads and thoughts. what would make a post AI to you?

I'll break it down.

read up from yesterday.
Boonskiies feels like town.

Not everyone, but most ppl think this.

also has the best avatar in the thread right now.

Filler

i voted Fro99er initially for his point about scum being concerned about flavour (because how does that translate to asking in thread? scum have google) but now i'm townreading him for it. go figure. :>

a little defensive

Brian's Malachite vote is terrible. 'nothing else interests me at this time'? he voted Malachite for completely NAI behaviour. i don't know if that makes him scum.

Wishy washy.

superhans wagon doesn't feel good either. i guess early wagons don't need a lot of reason, but it seems to be the go-to for a lot of players.

More wishy wishy.

like Dunn's Brian vote,

ok

Peregrine voting Malachite too continues not to make sense to me.

not on my radar

VOTE: Brian Skies
could also vote GIF for now.

What am I missing here? It seems mostly null. (TBH i felt it had a scum lean on the re-read, but im worried im conf biasing, so I'm really trying to be objective here.

[Vaxkiller]

If I memory serve correctly, I was able to townread vax rather confidently so if I can't do that this game clearly something is going on.

Made sure this was correct, and you were town, check and check. (defcon mafia)

[Vaxkiller]

I still like my vote where it is though. Yeah I know the dude is on VLA for few days but that doesn't really change my mind on him esp when he went all scum the few posts before the VLA post.

I swear I've seen thinkbig flake out as scum in one of my games... I'll look through them. THat said, he hasn't flaked out yet, his VLA ends today.

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I couldn't find it. I found this one I played with him where he was mafia and lynched day 1. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=69517

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Pere's iso is garbage, barely a single opinion, but I hate how someone im scum reading had the same thought. They didn't back it up with a vote tho...

Hello! I started reading yesterday as I was in the replacement queue. Finished page 11 this morning. Y'all need more wagons, but I think Chara's a pretty safe bet for town. By most recent VC it seems something has changed but w/e. The run up on Vax seems really forced, which is strange because the runup on Dunnstral was done really well. I think I'm going to look for the differences in those when I finish reading.

Other than that, has Peregrine V contributed anything to this game other than a vote on someone who had yet to post?

[Vaxkiller]

I wonder if Vaxkiller's name is a First Robotics reference?

Gotta look this up now.

[Vaxkiller]

Oh man, I'm assuming you referring to the short story by Asimov with MultiVac in it?

No, but good story.

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Vax help a brother out.

Your not scum reading not chara anymore?

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There's also no counterclaim to his assertion as a 5-star role, which we know town has 1 of.

10. The town faction is guaranteed at least one 5-star hero.

AT LEAST one.

[Vaxkiller]

Also, Im here, im just really sick, so im oing to get some thoughts out quickly and hopefull I'll be on later tonight.

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Anyone have any examples of thinkbig claiming early as town? Here is one (completed) when he was scum.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=69517
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p8637768

That said, I still don't want to lynch thinkbig today. I would rather not chara or PV and I really think chara is the scummier of the 2.

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@super, why do you need to know thinkbigs orb selection so bad?

[Vaxkiller]

I thought it was jsut a bunch of orcs, and only the one you picked mattered?

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sugh... orbs*

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catching up now.
i was roleblocked last night.

Is this something you should really claim?

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I think brian got scared for not chara here:
651 652 and

VOTE: Vax

Not chara had 5 votes at that point and the wagon started to look real, so he piggy backed on AJ's read, who he could likely discredit later. Later he even turns on AJ, while defending chara. I realize this could just be white knighting and such, but I still think charas scum.

Also, while I found AJ's case on Vax to be persuasive, I don't like being on the same wagon as a guy who hasn't managed to do anything else except chainsaw one person.

I would lynch AJ before I would lynch Chara.

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Also I'm a day reloader, so if anyone used thier one shot and is basically a VT now let me know.

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He was nightman, im dayman.

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It was either he was shot by other scum or it was a vig shot

Can't be a vig shot, unless we have a multi-shot vig that is staying quiet (seems unlikely, would most likely have to be another 5 star)

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about what? and if NC is scum I'd def. guess blue over red

do we know other scum is blue? I didn't see it in the opening posts.

or is that just what you're calling them

Was wondering this too

[Vaxkiller]

but preflip associations are bad frogger and you should feel bad

I make preflip associations when im felling especially naughty.

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about what? and if NC is scum I'd def. guess blue over red

do we know other scum is blue? I didn't see it in the opening posts.

or is that just what you're calling them

pretty sure it's red+blue scum with town as green since those are the orb colors

AJ felt fiiiine from what I remember of him yesterday but I could probably use a reread of his stuff near the end of the day. He is obv not red scum given him+Brian's interactions though.

Ugh

I would have accepted almost any other answer. I dont know crap about Fire Emblem, but I have gleaned enough to know that I doubt this makes an sense so come to this conclusion.

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I'd like to look into all the players currently not voting or lurking cuz I legit have a weird feeling here about this

Consider my vote on notchara. Shes at L-2, figured there is lots of time to no rush things, but you are going to have a hard time changing my vote.

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Idk like I was thinking Chara/AJ D1 but since Brian flipped I can kinda see AJ being town now

I'm l over the place with AJ, but it is better then yesterday

[Vaxkiller]

Color wheel thing still got ya?

Maybe hes color blind. Just play his song and everything will be ok.

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PAGETOP!

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Leave despardo off your wheel this time.

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No but why.

you joking or...???

No, I don't really think anyone knows why your scum reading boon that strong.

[Vaxkiller]

Vax isn't voting me yet for whatever reason

Dunns in this game... he likes to rofl-lol-wut-opps hammer ppl.

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Answer waht?

[Vaxkiller]

would someone answer my question about claiming? i don't want to drag out this day to my lynch with no reason.

Sure! Why not, no one is preventing you from it.

[Vaxkiller]

does anyone reasonably see anyone else being wagoned right now, as the game stands? i'll be lynched as we approach deadline, Vax isn't voting me yet for whatever reason but i'm essentially atL-1. might as well claim now, take my knocks for claiming the roleblock, and we can move on from there.

ANYthing can happen.

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You missed the pagetop tho. Claims look better on pagetops.

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or is this just fantasy?

[Vaxkiller]

I need to process this and I need some help because Im terrible at setup.

Are there games where tracker/watcher could be a scum role?

Is tracker/watcher possibly considered a safer fake claim (as opposed to doc/cop in which there would be a counter claim most likely)?

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i picked Brian because if town, i figured he was a good nightkill target while at the same time being someone who could perform the scum nightkill.

Why would he both be a good target and someone who could perform the nk? Those terms seem kind of contradictory for N1 in multiball. If the other scum team knew he was scum, they could save him for a lynch.

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I think NC is telling the truth about thier role, which makes me a little hesitant.

My role specifically states I will not be informed if reload has failed or is successful, but I would not expect wording of the contrary on other roles. (Stating that you will be informed if the action has failed or is successful is kinda of redundant.)
This is kind of weird because Brian Skies flip didnt show any of that, and my role is basically the day version of his.

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Yes, but gif tomorrow?

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Who unvoted chara BTW?

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you did, lol

No I never voted because I didnt want a surprise rofl hammer before they claimed.

VOTE: Not Chara

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Pere, you around?

You unvoted, you were around right when not chara claimed, interacted a little bit, then disappeared.

What do you think now?

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Vax isn't voting me yet for whatever reason

Dunns in this game... he likes to rofl-lol-wut-opps hammer ppl.

no I don't

Your right, I just checked, I was thinking of Karnos.

[Vaxkiller]

can't we just lynch GiF today and let me get a report/be roleblocked?

Because we actually believe your claim (or at least I do). It just doesn't make you town.

[Vaxkiller]

Chara, do you still scum read me?

[Vaxkiller]

i said i'd have a readslist, but i'm still out right now. i can play with mobile.

Actually can we get a full reads list?

[Vaxkiller]

Thread to boon, thread to boon, are you there boon, can you read me? Stop lurking and start participating.

Oh hi
Prod received

@gif, can we get a little more than 3 posts from you?

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My theory is the other scumteam found the other scumteam early in Chara/Brian, Brian made the nightkill on Super, and the other scumteam roleblocked Chara and proceeded to NK Brian

I really dont think so.

[Vaxkiller]

short answer: no, i'm not scumreading you Vax. simple readslist is scum is in GiF, Aj, then someone on my wagon. i can give more detail since you asked later, but it would just be a compilation of my recent posts.

Whats the long answer? Also noose to your neck, who is the scum on your wagon?

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2 People solved the game night 1 without receiving any information about their actions that night? I mean I guess they COULD have some sort of day investigative, but I think the Brian skies was one scum team hitting the other, probably not even on purpose.

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Why help Chara out when I could just remain silent and let another piece of game-specific information assure chara's lynch? Regardless of my position, a refunded shot to roleblocker is not normal and would attribute to chara's death even quicker if I didn't verify the refunded shot part.

I was not aware this was even anyone's reason as to why anyone would be scum read.

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gifs posts remind me of "not maifa"

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Gif, who are you scum reading? Your iso shows you want to kill dunn, but you accompany that read with "regardless of alignment"

pedit, damnit frog

[Vaxkiller]

I kinda want to lynch gif, and the not chara problem should take care of itself, I doubt the other scum team is going to want them to use their ability and possibly catch them.

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Intent to hammer.

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gif obvs

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rofl

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Votecount 2-5

GuyInFreezer (1): Dunnstral
PeregrineV (1): Gammagooey
Not Chara (5): Desperado, Fro99er, Vifam, Papa Zito, PeregrineV

With 12 players alive, it will take 7 votes to lynch/no lynch.
Not Voting (7): Not Chara, Aj The Epic, Boonskiies, GuyInFreezer, Vaxkiller

Deadline for Day Two is: (expired on 2017-03-04 16:48:05)

Votecount 2-6

GuyInFreezer (2): Dunnstral, Not Chara
Not Chara (5): Desperado, Fro99er, Vifam, Papa Zito, Gammagooey


With 12 players alive, it will take 7 votes to lynch/no lynch.
Not Voting (5): Aj The Epic, Boonskiies, GuyInFreezer, Vaxkiller, PeregrineV

Deadline for Day Two is: (expired on 2017-03-04 16:48:05)

A fire begins to burn...

I thought something was up.

[Vaxkiller]

It happened between the two cabd posts i linked

[Vaxkiller]

Oops

Thanks for your wonderful and insightful contribution.

[Vaxkiller]

7. Due to the random nature of the draws; players may end up as the same character of the same or a different strength. In this case their roles will be identical/similar.

Does no one read?

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Apparently I dont... your talking alignment.

[Vaxkiller]

I think it's pretty clear now that GiF was the townie counterwagon. We're lynching Chara today.

actually just for fun

VOTE: Not Chara

does this do anything

I was curious about this too. Maybe we can throw someone into the fire.

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Are you saying boon is scum with not chara? Because thats the only combination that makes sense. He has the perfect opportunity to just sheep along with the rest of us when not chara was at L1, but he said chara looked town.

For teh record, I dont see it that way. I think boons thoughts on chara come from a town place. (boon town)

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Like why are we talking during it you mean?

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Votecount 2-12 (Final)

GuyInFreezer (7): Dunnstral, Not Chara, PeregrineV, Boonskiies, Aj The Epic, Papa Zito, Fro99er
Not Chara (4): Desperado, Vifam, Gammagooey, Vaxkiller


With 12 players alive, it will take 7 votes to lynch/no lynch.
Not Voting (1): GuyInFreezer

A great fire roars up. While GuyInFreezer might be dead; it seems that it's warm and light enough to continue discussion. Night Two will begin with his flip; but the thread will remain unlocked during that time. You may submit night actions as usual via PM during this time.

[Vaxkiller]

We got night talk for tonight.

[Vaxkiller]

Yeah, I will after day start.

Why not now?

[Vaxkiller]

Well, I doubt your coming back to the thread, but my point was your heavily assuming you are making it to game start. I guess in multiball even scum could die tho, so its probably not AI, but still.

[Vaxkiller]

We need to talk to chara first.

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I kinda want to lynch gif, and the not chara problem should take care of itself, I doubt the other scum team is going to want them to use their ability and possibly catch them.

@Vifam, I pretty much started the 180 turn with this post.

@mod if person "x" is targeted with 2 night kills and person "x" is also targeted with wings of mercy, are both kills deflected to the person that used wings of mercy?

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mmm maybe not too likely, but there were some common likely targets in my opionion

[Vaxkiller]

Yeah my one-shot is a jailkeep and it was on PV yesterday, fwiw.

VOTE: PeregrineV

You mean last night? Who did you target the previous night?

[Vaxkiller]

Ugh, I guess you have no reason to lie

[Vaxkiller]

Still need to hear from chara before we end this day. Also I have something to confess.

[Vaxkiller]

Seriously, just tell us who you targeted even if it isnt useful

[Vaxkiller]

Yeah my one-shot is a jailkeep and it was on PV yesterday, fwiw.

VOTE: PeregrineV

You mean last night? Who did you target the previous night?

I already stated I was RB'd night 1.

@Chara I jailed PV because I thought he was scum... and with 1shot, you make a play.

I know, I was just wondering who you targeted anyway, even tho it was RB'd

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Thing is I cant see PV being partners with anyone unless he's lone scum rn, everyone seems to be scumreading him atm

i'm not

What do you think about the jailkeep claim

Why would he lie? If we lynch PV and he flips town, where does that get AJ? A lynch ticket. Not see why he would lie.

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I like to think that this day reloader is in fact town orientated and not both scum teams having a reloader of some sort.

I think that role stuff is fully random aside from town being gauranteed a 5 star if there are none

Besides its a lie anyways.

I am responsible for roleblocking EVERYONE on night 1. It works jsut as described, if they were roleblocked, they were refunded thier shot. My hope was to catch scum in a lie, and I would bait them by saying I had a day reloader, and I would not be informed if the shot was successful or failed. Plan didnt quite work out tho. I figured since I made it so far, I may as well try and soak up a night kill, but I think frogger may have targeted myself or NC. God I hope it wasn't me.

The other one of us likely got doc'd. I still kinda think frogger used his ability on NC and soaked up both night kills, with the small chance, NC being scum and deciding not to use thier NK.

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Gammagooey - I'm town reading Vax, and I'm leaning scum here. YesterDay he was on PV for a while; he's been bringing that up in general for a while now. I'm pretty sure he's correct on PV being scum, but I can see it from the opposite scum team. I will say that I did kind of like the tone he gave when he went to NC after realizing he was tunneling pretty hard, and he wasn't on the GIF wagon! But he was on the TB wagon. Decent chance he's scum opposite of PV.

Why do you mention me in gammas sentence. Are we related somehow?

[Vaxkiller]

i targeted Papa Zito. no results besides me visiting him.

Can you explain your reasoning?

[Vaxkiller]

For choosing zito

[Vaxkiller]

How about we wait until we hear from everyone, thye might have something to say.

[Vaxkiller]

Well that was quick.

[Vaxkiller]

You say you have to look into last night and dissapear. Zito is gone for a good amount of time as well. THen Zito comes back and reads up, asks if you looked into last night, and you chime in 10 min later.

The timing of your posts is disconcerting.

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Pere lynch makes most sense, but I want to hear from Pere, his disappearance is pretty normal play for him, but it is weird hes not around to defend himself after AJ accusing him.

My biggest concern is if Pere flips town, then AJ is scum, but hes just going to claim any number of possible scenarios of why the 2nd NK didnt happen.

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@AJ If Pere flips town, then what?

[Vaxkiller]

I have a bad feeling that this lynch is being pushed through by scum

[Vaxkiller]

Like gamma or Dunn + AJ.... Id have to look through thier isos to see if there is a connection.

Like its just weird that AJ just happened to jailkeep the person who already had 3 votes on him, like it was setup nice and neat.

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Then night 3 begins with PV flipping town. There's no reason to go "yeah but hypothetically an unlikely situation comes up and is the reason there's no 2nd kill" especially when the person in question has been scummy.

It's not unlikely. We had two claims full from the previous day (my fake day reloader claim and not chara's investigative) and tahts not including you... who also claimed SOMETHING as well. So someone could ahve doc'd one of us, or they both targeted froggy, or froggy took 2 bullets by using his ability.

[Vaxkiller]

Honestly it would be foolish to do anything except lynch PV, because it makes the most sense, but I want everyone to know about the other options, and im calling shenanigans if PV flips town.

[Vaxkiller]

Let's do this.

Vote: PeregrineV

Town VT.

If you town, I'm going to be so pissed.

[Vaxkiller]

VOTE: AJ

This needs to die

[Vaxkiller]

I still don't think AJ was lying

Why?

I know the "other explanations"

[Vaxkiller]

Also, Pere, what the hell, why didnt you fight?

[Vaxkiller]

why would AJ set himself up like that on an already easy mislynch if he's scum?

Why not? Your convinced hes town because of it.

[Vaxkiller]

AJ DOES have an ability, hes not lying about that.

[Vaxkiller]

I agree with vifam here

aj felt genuine claiming and talking about pv

Thats becase your a likely scum partner of AJ

[Vaxkiller]

This whole pere lynch seems setup to me. I get the feeling you got the ball rolling to see if people were on board and AJ put the icing on the cake.

[Vaxkiller]

vote: boonskiees

Sooo.... no help from you today

[Vaxkiller]

we might want to massclaim today. a lone dunn kill is weird as fuck.

Most of us that had an ability were just one shots, but im still holding out hope someone has something more powerful.... so no. Besides, whats that going to tell us?

[Vaxkiller]

if you fuckers don't want to listen to me that's on you

i don't care about helping you

Get boon to talk more, he has been lurking, then making big posts.

I would like to hear more from him before I jsut blindly follow you, who I don't have the greatest read on anyway.

[Vaxkiller]

PZ/Chara/Boon

VOTE: NotChara

I'm tempted to vote you on this. How is Not chara scum, but AJ cant?

[Vaxkiller]

AJ cant be

[Vaxkiller]

AJ cant be

THis was supposed to be correcting my previous message

[Vaxkiller]

PZ/Chara/Boon

VOTE: NotChara

not feeling zito scum at all

Same

[Vaxkiller]

Hey desp, who are you town reading?

[Vaxkiller]

If you look at interactions there's no way AJ/Brian are a team together

A Brian/Chara team makes perfect sense tho

If we dont get the last redscum aren't we completely fucked when it comes to winning this game or am I doing the numbers wrong?

Well the past 2 nights only one kill has gone through, so, I guess it depends.

[Vaxkiller]

If not chara is scum, I would entertain the idea of PZ being scum, but I'm having a hard time seeing it.

I see you being scum with AJ before PZ and chara.

[Vaxkiller]

IF chara were scum, they would more then likely be solo. If they flipped not solo scum, I would look at PZ again.

[Vaxkiller]

Gamma, who is supertown to you?

[Vaxkiller]

If you cant tell, im shot out of a canon today, I'm all worked up.

[Vaxkiller]

Viafam, could you explain your PZ read to me? I went through your iso, and you have been scum reading him, but not really pushing it.

[Vaxkiller]

Well I suppose it doesnt matter if we only have 1 more night anyway

[Vaxkiller]

I got nothing.

I had a 4 star red Lilina. I had a 1 shot ability to activate during the day that would block everyone, but also refund thier shots used that night.

[Vaxkiller]

*block everyone's abilities used at night (but not factional abilities)

[Vaxkiller]

AJ, your lurking, you need to come in here and explain your thoughts on everyone.

[Vaxkiller]

Boon, Desp, do you think its possible you both found scum in each toher?

Ok, I got the sillies out, now for a serious question:

Boon, Desp, you guys realize that you both have the same motivation for lying, right?

[Vaxkiller]

Whats the ability called?

[Vaxkiller]

Quickly plz

[Vaxkiller]

ahhh heeeellllllll naw.

First of all...
VOTE: Desperado

I'm a 1 shot vig [life and death], and I shot at Desp last night. Night 1, I shot at GIF, but it got refunded, which is why I'm very pro town NC/AJ and didn't really question their roles. And Desp probably going to claim some BP role, but that just doesn't make sense as town with a bodyguard, JK, and a vig? Come on. That's way too much blocked kills for town.

Is life or death the name of your ability?

[Vaxkiller]

My internet is down, so I can only phone post for now. Also kind of annoyed because I have flat out said exactly what I was up to the recently, so anyone who says I'm lurking, holy fuck. Read the thread.

Anywhosies, yeah, I am so against this NC wagon. Like...everything that's being posted for reasons to scum read her I see as pretty townie. There is at least one scum in Gamma, Vax, and Vif.

I'm going to look into Gamma and Vax more; I said yesterday one of them was scum.

Like, look at it from my point of view guys. I'm solidly town blocking NC/Aj/Vax, that's obvious. Vifam is towning it the hell up today with how he is bringing up all possibilities without jumping to conclusions. That only leaves Desp/Zito/Gamma from my perspective, which leaves them as the 3 scum.

What changed your mind on me. I think I've been pretty consistent.

[Vaxkiller]

What do you mean, Vax? You've been a town read for me since my first color wheel, but I said one of you and Gamma are scum. The fact that you've been consistent

IS

the reason you were the one that I town read. Normally I would even scum read that role of yours, but I liked the way you went about it, and you are testament against the 'Lynch All Liars' mantra, as I saw town motive from how you went about it.

There is at least one scum in Gamma, Vax, and Vif.

I'm going to look into Gamma and Vax more; I said yesterday one of them was scum.

You included me in your list of scum-spects. Just tell me why.

[Vaxkiller]

@Town: Please claim if you roleblocked boon last night.

I thought everyone claimed?
If town is lying at this point in the game, they are really fucking us over.

[Vaxkiller]

I hate this game.

I feel ya. I think this is going to be the hardest day, and if we lynch scum today, it will make tomorrow a little easier.

That's my fantasy anyway, dont pop my bubble.

[Vaxkiller]

For the past 2 nights there has been only 1 kill, and supposedly we have a vig, and the kill didnt go through and didnt pop a 1 shot BP.

As far as the missing scum kills:

1. They both shot the same target 2 days in a row (N2 its possible that one team targeted frogger and the other team target HIS target, deflecting to forgger)
2. The double scum team KNOWS who the single scum is and has been roleblocking/jailkeeping/soemthing them from performing a kill.
3. One team has been choosing "no kill" for the past 2 nights... (unlikely)

Wild fan theory - The double scum team has been blocking boon every night from performing a NK, he has no "vig". Possibly AJ has a 5 star jailkeep he can execute every night?

Why haven't the double scum team let everyone know who the other scum is? Possibly they already lied about thier ability and are afraid to admit the truth? Maybe its better to have the other scum around so they can win quicker?

[Vaxkiller]

@Boon- Can you double check with the mod and make sure that you don't still have a vig shot? I want to make sure there's no more possible wacky shenanigans here

Only wacky shenanigans with refunds was me I think. Shouldn't boon get a PM if he was roleblocked, or jailkeep'd or something? The only way he wouldn't is if the other person had a BP, right?

[Vaxkiller]

Could desp be town and lying about his BP not being used to try and push someone he thinks is scum?

[Vaxkiller]

Gammas role is basically conf town to me. I mean scum wouldn't have a role like that, right?

[Vaxkiller]

I think everyone has claimed.

8. The odds of drawing a 5-star are 6%; a 4 star are 36%; and the odds of a 3 star are 58%

This bothers me. I know anything is possible, but we have 5 VT's by my count and 10 people with roles. So 66% of people playing got roles.

[Vaxkiller]

I thought zito claimed VT, but now I cant find it.

[Vaxkiller]

Talk to me, in a NORMALish game with a 1 shot bullet proof, is the person informed when it is used up?

[Vaxkiller]

ThinkBig has been lynched.


He was:

ThinkBig
Corrin (Male): Fateful Prince
Rarity: *****
Color: Red
Obstruct: You are immune to ALL actions. (Strong actions will pierce this protection) This ability can be turned off for any night phase by PMing me during the day phase.
Dragon Fang: During any night in which Obstruct is turned off, you may PM me a name. You will roleblock that player.

But what about his alignment? Well, he was aligned with...

Spoiler:

The Town

Night One begins now and will last for 48 hours: (expired on 2017-02-25 16:30:24)

I mean Think Big had a 5 STAR ability that was even stronger than BP, and it doesn't say he gets informed.

[Vaxkiller]

AJ, I need a reads list from you. You are super quiet today and your posts are even more awful today.

[Vaxkiller]

Same goes for not chara. Super quiet today, need a reads list from you. Alot is happening, and you have no questions? You guys are just going to sit back and watch? (Notchara and AJ)

[Vaxkiller]

NC - Aj are cross voting. And NC has already posted some of their reads.

I want a full list, and they both have like 3 posts to everyone else's 50 today. AJ also hasnt posted in some time.

[Vaxkiller]

What do you mean, Vax? You've been a town read for me since my first color wheel, but I said one of you and Gamma are scum. The fact that you've been consistent

IS

the reason you were the one that I town read. Normally I would even scum read that role of yours, but I liked the way you went about it, and you are testament against the 'Lynch All Liars' mantra, as I saw town motive from how you went about it.

There is at least one scum in Gamma, Vax, and Vif.

I'm going to look into Gamma and Vax more; I said yesterday one of them was scum.

You included me in your list of scum-spects. Just tell me why.

[Vaxkiller]

You were always a town read too, I basically just said I had a feeling I could have been wrong, as I put you in that 'scum spect' as a town read. I don't believe I was wrong. Was I wrong, Vax? Are you actually scum? Is that what you are looking for, because I really don't know what you want. I've said all that before. It was a while ago, too, so I'm not even one hundred percent sure about that anymore.

I just don't get it, and your NOT explaining it. You had me as town from day 1, except these 2 posts where you have me as a scum-spect. THen back to super town.

Does it make you scum? I dont know, its just weird. It almost looks like like you were opening the door to see if town might want a vax lynch. Maybe its just you being lost.

[Vaxkiller]

I've been leaning boon lynch as well, im just worried about my conf-bias - I keep looking through his iso for proof.

[Vaxkiller]

I really don't like that AJ gets a town reads from most of you for his "too scum to be scum" moves.

[Vaxkiller]

I wanna lynch Chara so bad

You really think they are the most likely scum at this point?

[Vaxkiller]

Boon + AJ

[Vaxkiller]

AJ/ Chara can we get a reads list plz?

[Vaxkiller]

I'm not sure if I should claim my N3 target.

What ever you think is best.

[Vaxkiller]

So, what has not chara done in that neighborhood?

[Vaxkiller]

8. The odds of drawing a 5-star are 6%; a 4 star are 36%; and the odds of a 3 star are 58%

Also, someone has to be lying. We are at 74% of players having a 4 star or higher. Only 4 out of 15 are VT's I Call bullshit on someone. I'm going to make a chart later of everyone who has a confirmed role.

[Vaxkiller]

do you guys just not understand how odds work or what?

sigh, yes, but what are the chances? Especially when everything doesn't add up?

[Vaxkiller]

If the chances were 50/50 then the probability would be 1 in 24 But the actual numbers are higher (58/42). I cant calculate that.

[Vaxkiller]

Desp fakeclaiming to lynch boon and then dropping it to vote AJ now without responding to any of the shit I said about him feels pretty damn awful, even if he is saying that boon+AJ are most likely scum together.

I still think AJ is really likely town and I think the tone of his play for pretty much the entire game supports that. I'd rather do Chara than AJ by a thousand miles even though I'm not really convinced that Chara is slamdunk redscum like you and vifam and maybe someone else has said, it's straightforward and possible but I hate going on shit like that when I think a lot more often scum will just try to distance or leave each other alone instead. Chara's multiball thing d2 still feels real bad but I'm not amazingly confident in them being scum even with that.

Like I could see Chara potentially being on either scumteam but that lynch terrifies me compared to just lynching Desp right now and that's really what I'd like to do.

UNVOTE:

Yup

[Vaxkiller]

I feel like town is lost, and they only ones trying to tell us who scum are, are scum themselves.

[Vaxkiller]

I unvoted when desp changed thier vote becase it seemed scummy and I no longer felt strong about AJ because of it.

If you and vifam arent moving I may as well vote not chara because were not going to get the support for another wagon, or at least the support from people I fell comfortable voting with.

If you guys change your mind on despardo, im down with that as well.

VOTE: not chara

[Vaxkiller]

cabd's way of saying he wants this over with.

VOTE: desperado

[Vaxkiller]

Probably because we are thinking too hard and fuckign everything up.

[Vaxkiller]

Too fuck things up?

[Vaxkiller]

Heres my order at the moment:

I tried and I couldn't. Every time I try to order these 4, I can't.

[Vaxkiller]

I hate how _I_ had to put it out there that desp was likely lying, but could still be town. It would have been so much more town if he did so by himself and not have me call him out on it.

[Vaxkiller]

True.

I really hate question my hard town reads at the end of the game tho. I can't tell you how many times I've been in a dead thread yelling at teammates who begin to question thier obvious town reads when scum start to convince them otherwise.

Viafam, gooey, can we really be wrong about zito?

[Vaxkiller]

Been thinking about this for a little bit, and I want to talk through it with you guys. The past 2 nights we have only seen 1 kill, and it is unexplained. The first night it COULD have been a coincidence, they could ahve both targeted the same person, OR targeted different people, with the same end result of 1 dying due to the role of the person who died.

But 2 days in a row of targeting the same exact way seems off to me. So whos roles can stop a kill?

AJ COULD if he lied about using his ability, or lied about the amount of shots he has. We also know there is controversy over his "target" yesterday, because they flipped town, but he didnt initiate the push either, and neither does anyone who I think could likely be paired with them. So taht hurts that theory a little.

Who else? Well anyone else would have to be lying about what ability they DO have. Whos abilities are confirmed?

Confirmed roles
Vaxkiller - Global roleblock
Gooey - Night chat

Probable roles
Desperado - BP (unless boon and desparado are scum together)
Papa Zito - role redirector + neighborhood (gooey and zitos N3 target can confirm through neighborhood)

Unconfirmable
Not Chara
AJ
Boon

I'm Hector: General of Ostia, 5 star green. My 5 star is what made me so extremely suspicious of ThinkBig on Day 1. If I target someone who uses an active ability, I absorb it and form a permanent neighborhood with them. N1 I targeted Gamma and was informed my shot was refunded, even though I don't have limited shots, which is why I supported that notion D2. N2 I targeted Not Chara and I have a neighborhood with them. I'm not sure if I should claim my N3 target.

Can I get your night 3 target?

[Vaxkiller]

UNVOTE: WHile I think again.

[Vaxkiller]

Why were you hesitant to say so?

[Vaxkiller]

Like there'a so much shit to go on for zito especially and your reason for thinking he's scum is the timing of his vote on you while he's on vacation. What were your thoughts on zito before today?

The only weird thing I've seen him do is target you N3.

[Vaxkiller]

Sooooo Not chara cant be solo scum, or you would have seen them try something.