Mini 1868 - Sakura Wars: So Long, My Love Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Realeo]

If my knowledge of site meta is wrong, I am willing to unvote

UNVOTE:

[Realeo]

I thought such thing is only valid in 3 way lylo.

[-Grey-]

Busted.

[Realeo]

Myeah. I admit defeate. Can't argue on site meta.

[-Grey-]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=69727

May have misclicked earlier.

Anyway, that's a game where 4x scum quicklynched with a single town vote on the wagon in LyLo.

It's basic fucking logic and I don't buy the reticent act.

[Realeo]

In EpicMafia, everyone is online. Everyone can blitz any wagon.

In Mafiascum, not everyone is online.

[-Grey-]

I JUST SHOWED WHERE YOUR BULLSHIT WAS WRONG

[Realeo]

No. I was telling why my mind

was

wrong.

[Realeo]

Are we going to repeat this again?

We are fighting. Call each other idiot/can't reading. One of us will apologize for being too harsh while the other will post a picture of a smiling grandma.

[-Grey-]

Well congratulations on shitting away an enormous amount of towncred over a stupid vote.

It doesn't change the fact I want Persivul dead today, though.

[Realeo]

Aren't your vote on Persivul can be blitzed?

[Realeo]

I mean, why your vote is superior than mine?

[-Grey-]

Also, town wouldn't cast a vote over simple suspicion in LyLo the way you voted me.

I voted Persivul because his quickhammer was an obvscum move to shut down the day.

You voted me over some impotent shade.

You. Are. Scum.

[Realeo]

Also, town wouldn't cast a vote over simple suspicion in LyLo the way you voted me.

Wait. You thought my vote is on you is

all about

that.

VOTE: -Grey-

I was thinking that "don't vote me" is just a healthy game advice, hence why I decide to hear you despite I tunnel you.

[-Grey-]

Lololol

[Realeo]

Leaning towards {BBMolla,-Grey}

My dear, I called you scum like 12 ~ 24 hours ago.

[-Grey-]

Persivul/Realeo

Scumteam locked.

[-Grey-]

There is no way Persivul is town.

If Realeo is actually town having a case of the stupids, the best way to cure him of it is a Persivul scum flip.

[Realeo]

I have case why Persivul is town. You have case why Persivul is scum.

Let us explain our case, deal?

[Persivul]

I hammered because I didn't feel like waiting around a week and a half while people did NOTHING. Medea proved my point. They saw the hammer and bitched about it. They knew as a PR they'd be killed that night. That bitch post was their opportunity to give reads. They didn't. All this time, and they still didn't have reads. Give them another week, and they still wouldn't have reads.

The easiest push in the world is on a quick hammer. Molla has made no other case on me. He hasn't done jack shit this entire game.

FOS: BBmolla

[Reflektor]

Using the bathroom so don't have time right now but do we ready have two snap votes in LyLo???

[-Grey-]

Using the bathroom so don't have time right now but do we ready have two snap votes in LyLo???

Don't sweat it.

My vote is on scum, and scum is chainsawing me in response.

[Persivul]

Using the bathroom so don't have time right now but do we ready have two snap votes in LyLo???

What's your take on grey?

[-Grey-]

I have case why Persivul is town. You have case why Persivul is scum.

Let us explain our case, deal?

Town doesn't need a deal to defend a townread from being quickhammered in LyLo.

[Realeo]

I take that as a yes

Spoiler: Case

Step 1: Why Reflektor is town?

First, we need to analyze GE's gambit.

Not his claiming one. The claiming one is full of wifom. We can use that for confirmation but not for POE. Can't use that.

If you remember, GE said this.

Reflektor, I see you online, unvote me

I'd like it if Realeo unvoted

Let us remember what happened when GE said this

+ GE gets to L-2 or L-1

+ GE then ask people to unvote

+ GE then gambit

Here's the question:

Why GE asked Realeo and Reflektor to unvote, but not others player like -Grey-?

The answer is at the chronology.

GE is at L-2 or L-1. If you remember, he said

btw I'm probably going offline soon, so pls unvote me now

So he is actually expecting to gambit soon. However, for the gambit to works, he needs to survive the offline first. It would be a disaster for GE to be hammered when he is offline. You can control the scum voting you to avoid hammer, but not town.

So that's why Reflektor is town.

It is however, not enough to decide if -Grey- is scum. Assuming town!-Grey-, town!-Grey- maybe genuinely tunneling and GE may think it doesn't worth it to shoo him away.

Step 2: Why Persivul is town?

From D3, Persivul get-go voted Gamma Emerald and didn't blink.

I've been holding off on low-content posters under the theory (which looks to be correct) that in this setup, town PRs are as likely to coast as scum are. Now that PRs are accounted for:

VOTE: Gamma

Now some people may say "That's bussing!" but

[ 1 ] Bussing is only done to get town credit (for example. -Grey- pushing BbMolla to get towncredit for the 3 way lylo)

How does exactly Persivul gets town credit here?

There is no such thing as bussing for free. The problem is that Persivul did not play the town leader position or case pusher to actually milk town credit from pushing. Let us remember that currently, that Persivul voted from get-go. There is NO pressure to bus. I mean, he actively avoiding Empking lynch until Fate's report, why can't he do the same with Gamma?

To add it, if Persivul is bussing (and planned it from night thread) the next question would be why Gamma has to gambit?

That gambit is an act of desperation~showing signs of unpreparedness. Doesn't click with a get-go bussing. Furthermore, such gambit render Persivul attempt to get town credit useless, from "Persivul, the town who pushed Gamma" into "Welp, he is obvious. It's an easy task there"
[ 2 ] Persivul had foreshadowedd that he do not really scumread lurkness due to setup danger. Now the setup is no longer dangerous due to all PR is accounted.

He is simply being consistent

Your turn.