and how did you arrive at the moi read, precisely?
In post 3592, ɀefiend wrote:Flavor name is Saw Gerrara, rebel extremist. Haven't used 1-shot ability.
Have two full busy days ahead of me so I won't be quite active. Basically, I still want mastina dead, and MOI is full of shit. Either Titus was pocketing me the entire time and MOI just thinks it's easier to mislynch me (unlikely but possible) OR he's tunneling me like Infinity was and there's a chance we can talk it out (seems that way given his other interactions/hunting).
In post 3701, ɀefiend wrote:No need to convince me of anything, really. The dispersion of powers and claims makes me fairly confident about my guess that one of AJ/BB is scum. And with mastina's constant pushing on BB, it's pretty obvious who I think it is. AJ and MOI have actively engaged in vote-parking on me because I was a fairly attackable mislynch when heartless and Infinity were pressuring me hard. It's probably no coincidence that mastina constantly calls me (and other townies) scum, but avoids wagons at all costs.
mastina + MOI + AJ is where I'm at right now.
VOTE: MOI
i see no progression between these two posts. suddenly moi is scummy for voting you but he was voting you/calling you scum all of yesterday so what's suddenly scummy about it now?
If I think you, Nero, and Molla are Town, it makes it easy to tag MOI as scum. He kinda blew the whole pocketing thing Titus probably had going with me, and Nero has been towning it up too.
About 60/40 on the AJ/BB tossup. Not convinced that a vanillaizer is enough to warrant two blocking roles. I just played in a game where Firebringer backed up that had an unlimited vanillaizer and 0 town blocking power.
In post 3212, RadiantCowbells wrote:Simplicity is Best (Simplifier): Each night you may target one player, simplifying them into a Vanilla Townie for that night and the following day.
ok so first off it was not a "full vanillaizer" since i'm assuming whoever was targeted reverted back to their original role after the time period. this is more like a roleblocker.
second, the game was FUCKING ROLE MADNESS. there may not have been any town "blocking" power but it had beaucoup power elsewhere
"one of claimed blockers has to be scum" does not follow
Sure it does. You just said it acts like a roleblocker so it would make sense for each side to have one roleblocker-esque ability instead of Town having two.
In post 3807, ɀefiend wrote:Sure it does. You just said it acts like a roleblocker so it would make sense for each side to have one roleblocker-esque ability instead of Town having two.
In post 3683, Nero Cain wrote:@Heartless. He's the ONLY full role in a sea of x-shots, that alone should give you pause. I think it also makes a TON of sense to give scum an unlimited blocking power.
holy shit nero no it doesn't. i didn't just fall off the fucking turnip truck, i've run setups for years and i know that whenever you give GENERAL counters (like roleblockers) town power has to be high AND widely distributed. you can't have a clusterfuck of power over a few people and then give scum TWO general counter roles, that's FUCKING NUTS.
in case you don't want to read all that, just skip down to when hoopla talks about roleblockers and how they BLOW THE TOWN EV TO SHIT
the "x-shot" point isn't good either, that would actually indicate the full power IS town unless you're suggesting hampered town roles are going up against a scumteam on fucking viagra
the 2-shot vig and dp's joat is fucking IT for fixed town power. molla's role is middling to weak and all the little shit character abilities are p much power neutral. then you have the rogue crew invention which is not guaranteed to go to town AND scum have the power to at least spy on the rogue crew for a night. add all that up and it's also a middling role.
so you're saying a large with a grand total of TWO decent power roles going up against TWO general counters sounds balanced?
no
not in any universe where firebringer wants to retain the ability to run any more games
this is not a tit-for-tat thing. the town EV in the 14:3 and 13:4 ratios is 20-30%. town. need. more. power.
scum having a full blocking ability does not make ANY sense.
i don't even know what the fuck you're saying anyway. PINE'S ALREADY FLIPPED
what's you're saying is that scum have TWO "blocking" roles as opposed to town's one (molla's isn't even really "blocking" it's protective but whatever)
so you're arguing that one of molla/aj is scum bc scum need MORE blocking power than town?
also not balanced. for the exact same reasons that i've already talked about.
plus the manipuative joat can hijack a town kill and turn it into a scum kill? rc lets that by? no. no fucking way.
FUCK
turn a goon into a vt in each of those setups. still not balanced. scum win 80%+ in those setups. easily.
yes, yes they can. But I still don't think that would make a j/k not possible scum. It makes even more sense to me that scum would have a blocker instead of having to dodge the 8 joat powers, all the RC skills and 2 vig shots.
I mean its not impossible that you are right but just look at AJ's play.
He's selectively scumreading Z.
He's was pushing this "one of Z or Cakez is scum so I don't care who gets lynched" and there is a ton of potential scum motivation in that nonchalant chain lynch.
He started null reading MOI after he was SCUMREADING Titus but apparently that read was so so so weak and now he's pushing and "one of Nero or MOI are scum"
MOI has implied that he's scum twice. Once that he's scum off the D1 RVS Pine wagon and again off the Thinker wagon and AJ's reaction is basically "meh"
Also that self meta that he's terrible makes me just want to kill him anyways.
Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
Lets even count PV as a scum kill b/c it was their message that framed PV. Who was PV's first push? Mastina.
Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
In post 2876, Firebringer wrote:SirCakez [4] PeregrineV, defined, Titus, Heartless
zefiend [5] Aj the Epic, SirCakez, Infinity 324, BBMolla, Nero Cain
In post 3096, Firebringer wrote:SirCakez [LYNCH] PeregrineV, Titus, Infinity 324, Aj The Epic, Zefiend, Heartless, Nero Cain
I mean even if we argue that Cakez was a counter wagon to Z that means that Infinity, AJ were the ones that swung the lynch and infinity is town. I'm not counting myself since I know I'm town. Heartless is town and I don't really find it scummy that Z didn't want to vote himself.
And I just have a feeling that scum have been comfortable up until today.
Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
As the last rays of sunlight fade, one killer chases another through the tangled madness of the city.
A flash of steel announces the presence of his quarry.
The stage is set.
The night explodes.
Nero you're going in circles. I've stated before and after the lynch I felt ONE OF Zefiend and Cakez was scum and would be okay lynching either. I think Infinity also shared that sentiment.
ok kool. Why shouldn't I think that's chain lynching?
Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
Going to get to this later tonight.
Still sick as fuck, and not exactly in condition to play here atm (would be...very unpleasant--very, very, very, VERY unpleasant and that's not something you need to see), but while I'll still be sick later tonight, I'll be in condition to play hopefully. So yeah. Be back later tonight, after real life stuff. Like eating. And napping. And music maybe. And general ~not being scum of the earth vibes~ shit. You get the idea.
