Night and Day Mafia (Game Over)

[Ginngie]

You also never explained any of your scum reads in

Math
Ginngie
QR


"I don't like your posts"

is not scummy or an argument for someone to be scum.

[Ginngie]

My ranking

Math
Ginngie
QR

Get the fuck out, not lynching outside of those three.

Scummier to townier.

[Ginngie]

Titus, how are you going to sit here and tell me I'm not trying to sort Bulba and Math when my vote literally goes back and forth and I am very question heavy on both players.

I even offer up my own interpretations to see if I am understanding them correctly.


you're not reading and you keep setting up false narratives throughout this entire game

[Ginngie]

So Titus, you thought BTD was scum because he was "faking or trying to set up a guilty" on Mathblade correct?

or do you need me to get your own words that you've spoken, because unlike you, I can back up my statements with evidence from the game.

So with that said, you seem to be gunning at me hard for 'creating this dichotomy' between math and bulba because Math said they redirected Bulba onto the night kill with that being the actual reason to vote Mathblade.

you said nothing about that at all and it's an obvious double standard.

[Ginngie]

OKAY, TELL ME DO YOU AGREE OR DISAGREE

THAT IN A ROLE MADNESS, A REDIRECTOR HAS A HIGH VALUE FOR SCUM TO MANIPULATE THE BATTLEFIELD?

[Ginngie]

So Titus, you thought BTD was scum because he was "faking or trying to set up a guilty" on Mathblade correct?

or do you need me to get your own words that you've spoken, because unlike you, I can back up my statements with evidence from the game.

So with that said, you seem to be gunning at me hard for 'creating this dichotomy' between math and bulba because Math said they redirected Bulba onto the night kill with that being the actual reason to vote Mathblade.

you said nothing about that at all and it's an obvious double standard.

I've said plenty about it. You're too busy trying to create a setup that isn't there while I'm actually trying to solve it. IF you were actually solving things rather than jumping from wagon to wagon, you'd actually engage me substantively on my points but that's never been a thing you do regardless of your alignment.

I have busted my ass to the point of almost tears trying to listen to both Bulba and Math's side of the story so you can fuck off.

You weren't even here until 4 hours ago and ya know what Titus?

WHEN YOU WERE GONE

SCUM GOT KILLED.

You were gone for literally less than a day and we achieved more without you.

So fuck off.

[Ginngie]

I'm sorry for the language but this is very emotionally taxing for me right now and this is exactly what I said about literally everyone shoving shit down my throat

[Ginngie]

Why is QR scum

[Ginngie]

Why is QR scum

Probably isn't.

Then why in gods name did you say she was scum.

[Ginngie]

Lynching in the DEO will improve the gamestate 100%

[Ginngie]

BULBA IS SCUM FOR SETTING UP A DICHOTOMY THAT ONLY MATH OR BULBA CAN BE LYNCHED TODAY

HEY TITUS LOOK

SCUMZMZZZM

[Ginngie]

IF I DO IT, I'M SCUM, IF SOMEONE ELSE DOES IT, THEY'RE TOWN

[Ginngie]

Titus, you seem to love to ignore the fact that I got scum killed

[Ginngie]

No, it's an ends justify the means reasoning.


we want to know why you picked Bulba out of everyone

[Ginngie]

13. Rauth obvTown

WOW

[Ginngie]

That's a little awkward Math

[Ginngie]

"I thought Bulba was a vig so I would redirect him to kill someone, that someone is also an obv!town read

[Ginngie]

You...never said any of this

[Ginngie]

trust me, I scanned the fuck out of your ISO for every time you mentioned or had Rauth as a subject, you never said any suspicion of Rauth and the last mention of Rauth was you calling them obv!town.

You saying they were buddying is an an excuse as to why you redirected bulba

[Ginngie]

Yes. As I said before focus was on who I scumread. My scumreads changed overnight when BTD6 flipped Town and therefore was telling the truth. This means someone blocked him else he would have got a result on me.

So I looked at who was agreeable to me.

You never mentioned any of this in the light.

Also, you're saying you were hunting the roleblocker after BTD flip?

[Ginngie]

Literally none of that is holding water.

kinda wanted math to get caught in their own words but yeah this :/

[Ginngie]

Literally none of that is holding water.

kinda wanted math to get caught in their own words but yeah this :/

Of course Bulba would say that. He wants to mislynch me.

Math, here's the thing, he took the words out of my mouth, I was thinking it as well

[Ginngie]

You, never once verbalized your scum reads and town!math is very VERY adamant about making sure people know who you scum read and should die.

you never once mentioned suspicion onto Rauth.

[Ginngie]

As of all my completed games so far, I do not bus sans a guilty on my teammates, otherwise, I literally ignore you and keep interactions to a minimal.

Although, hypothetically, as scum, say a dayvig, I steer clear and avoid all interaction with the person holding the gun, as town I want people dead and if you can help me do that, then you know damn will imma get my kill.

[Ginngie]

I mean, I think it was in site chat but Pine was like, bussing is just stupid because that just means more mislynches you have to get.

Less bussing, equals less mislynches to win.

[Ginngie]

@Mastina: If someone has a power that targets someone and doesn't submit an action (or submits no action) and a redirector redirects them then do you consider them having a target of what the redirector had?

This would be specified in the redirector's role PM. If the redirector's role PM has a clause specifying "were they to target someone that night" or something to that effect, then a no-action means the redirector has nothing to redirect. A redirector's role PM should leave no ambiguity on the subject. If a redirector's role allowed to force someone to action, they would have wording specifying as such, e.g. "If they are capable of acting that night".

So, is this your role Math or?

[Ginngie]

VOTE

VOTE

VOTE

VOTE

[Ginngie]

talking about QR

[Ginngie]

and just general hype

[Ginngie]

shit

[Ginngie]

that did not go according to plan

[Ginngie]

Creature, CE, and QR

that's our lynch

LETS GO GO GO

[Ginngie]

math at 4 votes, needs 3 more

scum read by those 3 slots

lets get this done and over with

[Ginngie]

Love you Ari, drink some water okay?

[Ginngie]

i swear

[Ginngie]

Guys

Ari is adorable and pizza counts as water

[Ginngie]

Normally I'd ask, but i can't be bothered anymore because we have the votes

[Ginngie]

Part of me just realized ya'll have interacted so much together I'm starting to think I'd be amazed if scum theatre

[Ginngie]

dram, reads on Vedith/texcat

[Ginngie]

Also, could you vote Math, Titus is never getting lynched while I'm alive :3

[Ginngie]

If anything, it tells you the that the scum team are of the less opportunistic side of the game as they don't want to stir the pot.

so really, you have a likelier chance of finding scum if you look at the players who have gone the straight and narrow path talking about one thing/tunneling and the sorts.

[Ginngie]

When you make my blood boil is when you're a scum read of mine.

So, that doesn't actually count.

[Ginngie]

Like Titus, if I'm angry, I'm gonna scum read you, if I'm calm, it's when I analyze shit and deduce you're town and I'm just pissed off.

[Ginngie]

lol Bulba

Cirno joined the game and everyone appreciated his help and basically town read him.

Just move a widely townread person when switching with scum lol

[Ginngie]

or, just look at Cirno's scum reads at the time and it was a fear switch?

[Ginngie]

@mastin, if a player has a passive ability, is it deactivated in the light?

<<< Answered in 6160. >>>

[Ginngie]

Work for me.

Like not understanding me = Town me

Like obviously.

I gotta go but y'all's insistence on a strongman when it is clearly a bus driver is gonna wreck you.

You're out of town character not raising your concerns at all about Rauth.

Even forgetting you're Math, in a vaccum, saying you wanted to shoot a player for buddying after the fact that they were dead looks fake given that the last read given was obv!town

[Ginngie]

HI

WE HAVE PRIVATE TOPICS

WE HAVE NIGHT TALK

NO

EXCUSE

[Ginngie]

The only fucking case on me is I am something that doesn't exist then people search to justify after the fact.

And now you're only hope of actually stopping the scum kill is gonna die.

Pretty much it is whoever screams loudest and I like my job so keep your screaming.

Ooooo give me that AtE baby, that's that good shit

[Ginngie]

Waitttttttttttt

[Ginngie]

Why did you redirect Snarky instead of forcing me to heal Snarky? Assuming you are town, Snarky could be left with an inaccurate result.

Both night actions are scum motivated

[Ginngie]

No Math, the question is why would you not send Titus to protect Snarky.

mastina already said you would have known that you couldn't force snarky to make an action

[Ginngie]

You don't go in knowing a set up

There wasn't any indication at night start to think bus driver.

A lot of your reasoning is ends justifying the means but that doesn't work because you don't know the results before you make the actions

[Ginngie]

UNVOTE:

[Ginngie]

Sorta expected that if scum had a redirector they would get Snarky inaccurate results.

This actually

[Ginngie]

Titus, why redirect Snarky if they would strongman him.

It's a waste of ability.

[Ginngie]

Sorta expected that if scum had a redirector they would get Snarky inaccurate results.

This actually

Why does this cause you to unvote Math, as Math claimed to target Snarky and is consistent with your "scum motivated choices" theory?

Read above

[Ginngie]

Nah

[Ginngie]

There is no world where you can possibly fake town clears and kill that

[Ginngie]

Titus stop being dumb

[Ginngie]

Okay Titus.

Stop.

Solving.

With.

Roles.

Go by play

[Ginngie]

VOTE: Vedith

[Ginngie]

I GOT SCUM YOU FUCK

[Ginngie]

I fucking dare you to tell me it was scum motivated for me to practically beg YOU to get on Nos.

Say it. Fucking wont

[Ginngie]

IT WAS SO SCUM MOTIVATED TO TELL ALISAE TO NOT SHOOT BULBA AND INSTEAD SHOOT NOS

[Ginngie]

IM SO FUCKING SCUM ALL HAIL TITUSB

[Ginngie]

This is why you're insufferable

[Ginngie]

The best part?


You're just gonna leave the game thread for a few hours, come back, and call me scum again without acknowledging anything I say.

It's all you fucking do

[Ginngie]

Ginngie, This posting is why you're insufferable. You act all high and mighty as a deflection method that stops others from hunting. You don't listen to me which in turn causes me not to listen to you ranting back. When I suspect you, you refuse to let me go through my process to get where I need to be.

Bulba, will read in a moment.

WITHOUT TALKING ROLES

Why am I scum.

Fucking tell me.

[Ginngie]

Come sort me titus

Don't talk about my personality

Talk about the valid points I bring up

[Ginngie]

I listen too you all the fucking time but as soon as I disagree you throw a scum read at me

[Ginngie]

Just Titus.

Please.

I get angry and upset when you ignore what I bring up and you seriously just did it again.

I said you wouldn't mention or acknowledge nos and you haven't.

[Ginngie]

Mafiascum

Jailkeeper role doesn't block other people, just a heal and role block

Alien is a variant that acts like a heal and role stop

[Ginngie]

Mafiascum

Jailkeeper role doesn't block other people, just a heal and role block

Alien is a variant that acts like a heal and role stop

So basically, BTD wouldn't be getting a no result by targeting snarky

[Ginngie]

oooooooooooooo

[Ginngie]

BTD has to be blocked to get a no result, otherwise it's a went nowhere if snarky went nowhere

[Ginngie]

Titus, does me being scum require me to be lying about jailkeeper

[Ginngie]

Titus, does me being scum require me to be lying about jailkeeper

Please answer this as fast as possible

[Ginngie]

Mafiascum

Jailkeeper role doesn't block other people, just a heal and role block

Alien is a variant that acts like a heal and role stop

Doesn't block *other people's actions

[Ginngie]

I mean in the night one action fiasco

[Ginngie]

@mastin, if a player has a passive ability, is it deactivated in the light?

The opposite in fact.
If a player has a passive ability, it will only work when in the light.

Wow I'm stupid

[Ginngie]

texcat, reads list, one sentence per person

plz and tnx

[Ginngie]

FINALLY, okay, real folks blues is over with.

[Ginngie]

VOTE: texcat

You are hella fence sitting and there is a point, you're not voting or scum hunting at all.

[Ginngie]

Is that why you have such a hard time town reading me?

I still think my tone and activity is leagues different but I'm getting better at it.

[Ginngie]

It's weird how you say the words hate instead of scum read

[Ginngie]

The OMGUS factor just tipped me off the fence.

wait...

what?

Math has scum read you since day one and even brought up the idea of wagoning you earlier today

[Ginngie]

Alisae, I don't feel the best about this wagon but we may get something by comparing Math wagon to earlier days.

Check out this theory.

Town gets wagoned, no counters or any discussion besides that player.

Brings up counter wagon onto scum, scum attack the old town wagon with force.

Nos didn't vote BTD until she became a wagon herself.

It's almost literally a mirror match up actually

[Ginngie]

Here's another theory.
Youre scum

You're boring me

[Ginngie]

You're a deflector dumbass

[Ginngie]

That...

Is a beautiful page top

[Ginngie]

Texcat never voted anyone, Math was main wagon no argument.
Nos never voted anyone, BTD was main wagon no argument.

BTD voted Nos, the first counter and a scum wagon.
Math voted Rex, the first counter and

could

be a scum wagon.


Nos voted BTD right after after she became an actual wagon.
Texcat voted Math right after she became an actual wagon.


The only element missing is texcat being town or scum because that requires a flip but it's literally the same play

[Ginngie]

That's not a protective role.

Read the wiki and suck it

[Ginngie]

Btw I'm pretty sure that's a town slip by dram

[Ginngie]

https://imgur.com/a/QvDWh

That's awkward

[Ginngie]

Titus is bodyguard

I'm jailkeeper

Dram is an idiot thinking he's a jailkeeper but he's a deflector

[Ginngie]

Because I am become god

[Ginngie]

@Mastina - would you consider a deflector as protective / manipulative?

That is actually the smartest thing ever

[Ginngie]

So why aren't you voting me?

[Ginngie]

I can only vote one scum at a time

[Ginngie]

"Hello, I am directly counterclaiming you, meaning you are 100%, confirmed scum to me, but I'm not voting you."

[Ginngie]

You need to first convince everyone why Texcat is town before anyone thinks about touching Titus, you know that right?

P-edit:

quote where you called me scum before the CC.

[Ginngie]

Ive been calling ginn scum since before the CC regardless

This is fucking rich dramonic.

I'll sit here and wait :3

[Ginngie]

[Ginngie]

[Ginngie]

[Ginngie]

Ive been calling ginn scum since before the CC regardless

Honey...that is the counterclaim, you never scum read me until then.

It's so sweet, continue to make yourself look dumber

[Ginngie]

I have to figure out if I'm lynching you or Vedith tomorrow

[Ginngie]

My role didn't change overnight. If I waited until NOW(ish) to CC you, there's a pretty solid chance that my primary scumread on you is not that and that's just the cherry on top.

You never brought this up, yet you claimed that you have.

All your doing is giving me more seeds to plant a dumbass tree.

[Ginngie]

Hey dramonic, what caused you to say Frosted Kelvin Bran was obviously town?

[Ginngie]

Cuz FKB played well, which made me ignore Nos cuz its Nos.
While we're asking stupid questions: Why did you vote on both mislynches?

It's not a stupid question, you never gave reasoning as to why they were town, the only thing you did do was highlight the word obvious, while funny, means literally nothing.

[Ginngie]

Meanwhile, dodging the question.

I give reasons for why I vote, you can go back and read,

because:

I read the game

[Ginngie]

So dram, since you scum read me 'before the CC'

what did you scum read me for :3

[Ginngie]

yeah we good man

So Veddiy baby, where your reads at

[Ginngie]

yo

i'll make you one of the greatest reads deal America has ever seen.

You give reads, you got my vote for the lights

[Ginngie]

When you've been dead for ages but never used your bah post, so you could post on later in the game when you are long and forgotten

[Ginngie]

FUCK ALL YA'LL

[Ginngie]

Sure. Let me bribe the mod.

Hue hue hue

[Ginngie]

Well, I won't do like most players do by spamming "X is scum" and never ever changing my reads.

you already spam so you might as well

[Ginngie]

I LOVE YOU BULBA

[Ginngie]

AM SORRY