17 Kilos of Cocaine - [GAME OVER]

[ActionDan]

*sniff*

VOTE: bins

[ActionDan]

A fakegod game with a superb playerlist and cocaine.

One could even say this game gonna be dope

[ActionDan]

maybe you just need to take a breather

[ActionDan]

Loving this agressive Spiffeh

*popcorn *

I think you just like when Bulb is getting his balls busted

[ActionDan]

hey fuck you guy

[ActionDan]

I'd do it for free

[ActionDan]

I don't think this will be a problem we have to deal with or think too hard about until much later in the game. I have faith that town will be cognizant of the lynches, who hammers, and who gets night killed and if necessary do something about it via non-conventional means.

But yeah the same person shouldn't hammer twice, and priority goes to people who have 0.

[ActionDan]

"His was the most cavalier wagon hop"
"opportunistic"
"scum always hop on around the 3rd or 4th vote on fun wagons"
"CHESSKID"
"his vote is a bad vote based on gut"
idk they all seem equally valid so hard to choose

[ActionDan]

hahahahaha

[ActionDan]

you might want to look back at that one.

[ActionDan]

Alright well the original isn't scummy anyway and I don't know why you'd think it is. It turned out to be completely predictive and there's a reason for that: we're dealing with Whemestar

[ActionDan]

a new

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a newb *

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This game, still fresh on the front page

[ActionDan]

I don't really know how people can get a read off of 69/71 either way. And even tonally I think 71 sounds better.

I agree with Hito that for how cocksure Wheme was about Chesskid, the sudden jump off unto fire and then bins for what I can mostly just assume are lolz and lol wagons! respectively is jarring.

I'd go vote there but I also don't like Bins saying "trust me guys, I'm town, give your coke cokes to me!" instead of prioritizing critically reading the game.

Also I wonder when the game will become exciting enough for Spiffeh to re-engage with it.

[ActionDan]

oh wasn't a really a wagon yet. just lolz then

[ActionDan]

Lylo might be when the net worth of dead people reaches 8-10 kilos probably

Which post is not good ceph, your own or whemes?

[ActionDan]

a better wagon will definitely come up because a dumb vague claim isn't enough to lynch someone on

anywho: it occurs to me that starting on day 2 and beyond, if we have a choice between lynching two people and one of them has hammered someone, we should lynch that person, because if they happen to both be scum, the one who theoretically might have the maximum amount of cocaine is the one to go with

Gut is telling me there's something incredibly wrong here, but I don't have the deep theory background to figure out what it is.

Maybe because it's a lame not-even-insightful mechanics post on page 7, lagging behind the rest of the game. That's how it looks to me.

VOTE: bulba

actually i go here

Reasons; Analysis; Commentary: do you have them?

I obviously realize that

I more have a problem with him abandoning the vote on me when I'd done nothing to really address it to chase something that can easily be explained by inexperience and doesn't even look all that scummy to me regardless

Why would it matter if you addressed his vote? If I don't address yours, will you keep it forever (it's a shitty vote btw)? How is what whemestar did explained by inexperience (besides the fact he's a noob)?

@hito, hmm perhaps "probable lylo" is incorrect the more I think about it, but assuming a roughly even distribution of coke and assuming scum keep their share, the earliest possibility of outright losing is when 8-10 kgs worth (ballpark estimate obviously) is drained from dead people, since it will be taken by scum from NKs and consolidated in (hopefully) town hammerers.

[ActionDan]

it's the lexicon that replaced white knighting.

It always triggers me when I see it

[ActionDan]

Reasons; Analysis; Commentary: do you have them?

no

these reasons are worse than if you had just said you had no reason

And your reasons are?

reasons

Any particular reason you didn't feel like answering me, but instead preferred explaining your vote to the guy you scum read?

Why would it matter if you addressed his vote? If I don't address yours, will you keep it forever (it's a shitty vote btw)? How is what whemestar did explained by inexperience (besides the fact he's a noob)?

Idk his vote on me didn't seem like RVS and I'm a very self centered player so the fact that he abandons it so easily in exchange for voting what I perceive to be lynchbait caught my attention

I don't know how I can justify what Whemestar did being explained by his inexperience without mentioning his inexperience...

It's early, I don't see why anyone needs to be married to their reads in the first place. And yeah it was a really abrupt change but it looks more like going after something bad on a surface level and passing it off as scum motivated

It's kind of why I had a gut scum read on you earlier; you defended chesskid from what was a pretty pitiful attack from Whemestar and it looked like a way for you to endear yourself to him.

Okay so it seems like you really didn't have a reason to tack on the "hito needed to address my vote" and could have just left your FOS at "he's voting lynchbait at the surface level". I also don't think my posts at the time of your vote had anything to do with defending chesskid, unless you think light banter is "endearing" in which case you could accuse the majority of the playerlist with that. After your vote, I did post I believe twice that referred to Wheme and Chesskid together but that's not defending chess kid from wheme, that's pointing out just how "pitiful" the attack really was and defending Chesskid from Cephrir if anything; besides, I don't need to endear myself to chess kid, me, him, and elli are all friends outside this site, and are very dear to each other's hearts.

Uh, you can mention why what Wheme did is a mark of an inexperienced player, and simply not an a priori proof of "he's inexperienced, therefore what he did is a result of that!", is what I was getting at. Still interested in hearing that.

I actually liked it.

I actually liked it.

Firebringer is probably my strongest townread in this thread actually, so I'm interested to hear whether you guys like that was a town post voting him or if you think he's scum that deserved a vote. I would hope the former, but I also disagree with that too.

I like Spiffeh Cephrir and whemestar for town.

hito is of course town until he survives a few days.

Vote: Actiondan

Discuss!

I'll give you Cephrir (weaker) and hito.

I would like you to discuss why and when you formulated this read on me. (assuming it's a genuine scum read).

[ActionDan]

I wish I was more well versed in reaction gifs so I could leave an appropriate one showcasing my disappointment

cut: ok fair. I might have too actually if I didn't have a good reason to disagree with the content

[ActionDan]

your questions were not the same

Yes they were, and if you don't think so, why not?

[ActionDan]

I'm not sure I'm the one who's being pedantic here. Clearly "reasons" was implied for the Bulba vote, but I mentioned "analysis and commentary" because they're synonyms for "reasons" if you talk about bulba, and they can also be applied more broadly to the rest of the game if don't choose to limit your focus to him in your answer.

[ActionDan]

Ah the new meta

What kind of different answers to this question were hoping to get?

I didn't have any specific expectations.

[ActionDan]

I asked because when I see an inconsistancy I ask about it.

It's less interesting than weird and I felt it deserved a question.

[ActionDan]

What's inconsistent about it?

Bulba is bins' scumread.

Do you normally see town be more reactionary to accusations from scumreads actively engaging them or people chirping in with quotewalls from the sidelines?

Scum read or not before they got into it me and Bulb asked the same basic question in the same basic way, basically. Bins took the time to answer me first with "no", before engaging with Bulba more directly. I suppose those reasons for the read materialized more from that further engagement than either of our initial questions but it's still weird to me.

[ActionDan]

Who are you talking to?

[ActionDan]

Scum read or not before they got into it me and Bulb asked the same basic question in the same basic way, basically.

The scumread has everything to do with it, it makes more sense from a town mindset to engage a scumread and create noise/discussion there than with someone you don't have a read on when given the option. I'll concede that the "no" was kinda cheeky; but I'm not sure that's scummy or why you think the order of events with that is particularly noteworthy.


Why's firebringer your top town?

I don't think there needs to be "an option". You could answer both. That said I should have phrased the question differently because it didn't accurately reflect what transpired. It's not necessarily scummy as it was weird/off-putting, and again, I thought it deserved a followup.

FB is a top town read for the exact opposite of what Xyzzy said, that is, I think he's behaving differently than when he was scum in the last fakegod game I played with him in. He's a bit more serious here and I've liked his reads so far and his posts are just, better.

[ActionDan]

That said I don't much care for the fake day-vig stuff plus these last couple of pages but those are NAI fire bringer posts.

[ActionDan]

Uh misguided wrt Firebringer but not scummy. I haven't been paying attention to anything else he's done besides ofc talking with me about bins etc.

[ActionDan]

Bins, Wheme, Spiffeh is pretty much where I'll be voting today. Still content to keep riding the bins wave

[ActionDan]

I'm not going to vote Elli

[ActionDan]

Dan oddly silent

*crickets*

[ActionDan]

a list of three vote targets in 16 seems like a pretty confident call, and confidence isn't what I get lookin at your ISO. why's this list so small?

[ActionDan]

seems lazy

I am lazy.

I wasn't going to be.

But people had to Meme.

(just kidding I'm a lazy bum)

Also @mylastpost I should have added Xyzzy to that comprehensive list

[ActionDan]

I gave other reads, scum reads that is. The rest don't really matter, besides not wanting to lynch elli who iirc is/was a lynch option for today.

[ActionDan]

you just do your catchup bb and we'll see about that

[ActionDan]

Sorry I'm all out of scum reads binsy

[ActionDan]

not yet whelmed

[ActionDan]

Desp is right about the word "random" being out of place though. Desp has reasons and is displaying them to specify why in particular Kagami being townread by hito is circumspect. Hito should not be saying that it's a random townread that Desp is picking at.

So

this is dumb pls stop

By all means continue

[ActionDan]

Let me say it louder for the people in the back "I've never had a game where another town player said my tone or posts sounded fake because I was 'trying to sound town'

We heard you we just don't care

^

[ActionDan]

if you're a PR just claim it

[ActionDan]

ActionDan

- He is someone that I think is trying to appear townish. Also, I keep forgetting he's in the game. Don't like how he's flying under the radar despite posting regularly.

Woe be the man to which this applies, but I am not this man, for no one in this game has yet to townread me. Were I scum, a curse I'd lay upon my buddies, for who among ye has shown me love? Yea, for who here hasn't wanted to cull me, my guts splayed across the land?

VOTE: Jester

The bell. It tolls for thee.

[ActionDan]

The Vount count. It beckons me.

For all must become 3

VOTE: Xzzxy

[ActionDan]

Why on earth did you list players alphabetically within groups, jestr?

Nah.

VOTE: Wickedestjr

Btw, I had been reading this name as "wickedjester" the entire game.

There's a pretty big difference between playerorder and alphabetical.

The former means that you copy and pasted the list in the OP, and used that to be sure you didn't miss anyone. The latter means that you copy and pasted the playerlist, then deliberately rearranged the list of players in a way that is objectively systematic after placing them into bins, which doesn't have any obvious motivation beyond the desire to eliminate any order-based interpretation.

Are you for real?

Is there a reality where these posts exist together?

I guess I'm living it.

VOTE: Kagami

Oh Elli wants me on estjr. Sure I'll listen to a guy that wants me dead d2 or something. Or is that Chesskid.

W/e

VOTE: Wicked

[ActionDan]

Actually

Brilliant idea

Just came to me

VOTE: Grapes

[ActionDan]

Can you explain his absence?

I can't.

Therefore he must be scum

[ActionDan]

Aware of your point. But it looked like you voted him for that regardless of content (not that I read it past my own portion).

[ActionDan]

even if he had replied the second way without an example attached, that would be sufficient for a scum read?

The funny thing is based on your thought process here Grapes would call you town for it. Because you asked a question with a clear "town answer"/"scum answer" in mind.

Oh grapes.

How I miss him.

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But yeah, still boggles the mind.

[ActionDan]

Is that in reference to your previous stance of wanting to vote UT before he became Wicked so as to give some context to your vote and that it makes sense in the grand scheme of the game?

I have read that.

If there is a specific thing you think I have not read that you think I ought to have read and want an opinion on, well, I am here to answer your questions.

[ActionDan]

The way the vote was placed looked more like that minor point was the one that broke the camel's back, instead of a "deadline's approaching, fuck it" kind of vote, even though I understand that there's commentary about the bins wagon in the same post. What were your concerns about the slot after wicked's replace in? activity or content related? (or both)

[ActionDan]

VOTE: Wicked

OR IS IT

[ActionDan]

you should unvote wheme just in case you don't remember where your vote is

[ActionDan]

oh that wasn't a hammer,


I'll just be

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Xyzzy

*whistles causally*

[ActionDan]

Andrius soft-claimed vig ages ago I don't know if Kags is dancing around that but I really can't imagine it's much of a secret to people paying attention and it is definitely making this PR spec strange to me.

[ActionDan]

such a great reaction gif

[ActionDan]

Elli's play style is like this in every game I've seen him in. I won't say that higher activity by itself is town though because I remember being burned in Walking dead mafia.

It's an interesting read.

Has oddly a decent number of the people here, there. I'll find a link

[ActionDan]

viewtopic.php?f=56&t=30368

[ActionDan]

Fond memories.

As I have with the fire emblem game.

viewtopic.php?f=56&t=31053

[ActionDan]

shit couldn't even steal it

[ActionDan]

Fun fact. Watcher is part of my role name.

I didn't visit kagami much less kill her so let's get this over with. Glorious 1v1 mortal combat

[ActionDan]

Spiffeh shot kagami.

[ActionDan]

That was a joke yes (I am worried for a couple of you). Real thoughts to come when im not bleeding chips in poker

[ActionDan]

same