Micro 753: Votefuckery (Game Over)

[beeboy]

So I had this really awesome gimmick planned where I was going to do fuck all and only communicate through votes and quoting posts without paraphrasing then start posting content start of day 2 or if day 1 went really south for whatever wincon I had.
Then GIF made me town and gave me a role pm where I auto hammer any L-1 wagon and I feel like not claiming this is just shit awful with potential double votes and a early L-1 being super likely. (claiming it also kinda feels shit awful cause scum now no I can't vote) My role is non consecutive so I want to be safe for day 3 to not auto vote cause I am assuming we lynch scum day 1/2 and I don't want to enter 4-1 while scum could just capitalize on any 1 townie fucking up by having me auto hammer.

I basically just don't have a vote tbh lol. (good role design GIF) and now I can't even have fun with my gimmick I joined this game to do ;-;

[beeboy]

VOTE: Day 1

This is the correct wagon.

[beeboy]

So essentially since my auto hammer role is non consecutive I want to be on the wagon today and off the wagon tomorrow so my role doesn't work day 3.

[beeboy]

My role would work in 4-1 though and I don't want scum to be able to mislynch with only 1 town fucking up, it wouldn't be that hard to do that without being super obvious scum.
5-2 I don't really mind if I auto vote.

Idk 4-1 without me having a vote seems like the worst situation.

[beeboy]

So my role works in 4-1.
Scum can obtain a mislynch with 1 town fucking up taking advantage of my role. Town always fucks up 3 man lylos.

I kinda want to avoid that situation so if given the choice I want to disable my role day 3 over any other day.

Sorry are my thoughts still unclear?

[beeboy]

What the fuck is my shit role I just lose my vote and make everyone hated I think I even auto vote myself.

[beeboy]

Now town read me fools for having a NU role and having NAI role discussion.

[beeboy]

VOTE: scum

[beeboy]

Hello Sakura!

What NU role are you?

[beeboy]

I think Sakura is scum for not voting scum.

FOS: Sakura

So you want me to declare FOS on your like that instead of really voting you?

[beeboy]

Serious FOS btw

[beeboy]

I am more confident in my scum read though so I am leaving my vote there.

[beeboy]

So my role works in 4-1.
Scum can obtain a mislynch with 1 town fucking up taking advantage of my role. Town always fucks up 3 man lylos.

So you're saying that a single scum would just vote like this abusing your ability, and... not be questioned at all?
Well regardless, better safe than sorry I suppose.

I can see how a town would potentially not give a fuck about my opinion to lynch a scum read using my role.
I've seen survivalistic town lynch town reads to stay alive.
Scum could hide behind either of those reasons.

Like it isn't game losing and yeah it looks kinda fishy but I see no reason as to why I should enable it to happen when I have the choice to enable it to not happen.

pedit: Am not.

[beeboy]

honestly disabling town from using my role in a 4-1 situation is something I'd like as well.

[beeboy]

VOTE: Sakura

[beeboy]

I'll explain my read later.

[beeboy]

I am not voteless I auto vote.

[beeboy]

I can't auto vote you if my vote is locked though.

[beeboy]

Didn't you say your role condition was an extended period of time?

It's been 1 hour

[beeboy]

You see when you say things like "don't vote you for too long"
and I vote you for 1 hour expecting a reaction and it turns out "too long" is actually just any form of vote it's hard for me to play around your NU.

[beeboy]

And when do you think Alisae voted me!

I fail to see how my vote is an issue here

[beeboy]

So you needed 2 votes for you role to activate and time being voted effects nothing at all?

[beeboy]

Well if you said that I wouldn't have naked voted you expecting a reaction.

[beeboy]

I thought it would be something like 24 irl hours or something or after x votes after my vote occurs.

[beeboy]

"not too long" really didn't make me think vote number mattered.

[beeboy]

Why did you avoid full claiming?

[beeboy]

What exactly did ambiguity help you achieve or what did you want to achieve / not achieve.

[beeboy]

What part of your role pm was confusing?

[beeboy]

Why was your initial post "I am NU" if only 2 votes freeze literally every single vote.
I don't get it, you seemed kinda weird about all this.

Also I think your role and my role both don't exist in the hands of town. Your role feels like the scum NU to my role.
Also it would just be odd for me if the NU was all put on town when voting mechanics tend to help scum, I don't really see why town needs a nerf of having 2 very detrimental roles.

[beeboy]

How does "I am NU" means not to vote you, there are lots of kinda of negative utility. And you said "Don't vote me for too long" when time wasn't really a factor at all :/
Now that I know what your role is properly I don't feel you were very worried about your role in your posts, you suggested a time frame which is odd and in your initial post you just said NU which can mean anything. So I voted you thinking our roles didn't coexist as town and I wanted your thoughts on that, thinking a time frame was relevant for your role.
I guess bad play isn't particularly alignment indicative but I still find that odd how you explained your role and just claimed NU.

[beeboy]

I dunno if you claimed in a different way I wouldn't have done that.
I guess if you town its my bad.

[beeboy]

I hate my Mac keyboard auto correcting keyboards that have keys that don't properly register is really stupid.
But I guess I am done posting here for awhile.

[beeboy]

Sorry about that Ali, Sakura and sheep :/

[beeboy]

Wanna walk me through that thought process bee?

I saw the "for a long time" section of her post and her lack of initial claim and assumed voting her for her reaction wouldn't do anything... oops

[beeboy]

tbh if I was scum I'd just be doing my gimmick I wanted to do where I only communicate through votes, but I guess that's not a viable defense.

I genuinely just thought Sakura saying "don't vote me for too long" literally meant I couldn't vote her for too long, not that I couldn't vote her.

[beeboy]

Ali you're making a big deal out of something that would otherwise be a really shitty scum strategy. Unless you think I believe hiding behind being stupid is a scum strategy I think would work out for me.
Like I at best am trading 1 vote for 2 which really doesn't accomplish much and the risk of looking bad is pretty high.

[beeboy]

Does not come off as sincere or genuine to me at all and just feels really untruthful

Well you see I didn't place that vote thinking the votes would be frozen, now i feel as though I've locked town out of a proper day 1 due to 3 votes being locked.

[beeboy]

Well actually just 2 I don't really have a vote.

[beeboy]

Okay first off communicating only through votes would annoy a bunch of people and get you pl'd.

Secondly, you do NOT come off as that way to me at all because I feel like you would have shown more caution if you were town.

If you don't feel as though I am not genuine I am not really sure what I can do We can't really have much of a back and forth if it's just you saying I don't sound genuine and me saying that I fucked up over and over.

pedit: Um I'm not treating it as a "big deal?"
I'm trying to sort you and your reaction here isn't really helping me :/

Also 91 still just does not feel genuine to me.

I feel like it's kinda early to call me scum from that but maybe I have the bias of knowing I am town but sorry it's fair your trying to sort me.

Like again you just don't believe I could have read Sakura's posts and have come to conclusion her role wouldn't trigger if I voted her but I voted her because I came to that conclusion. My scum gambit wouldn't be to just assume people would think I am stupid but I guess I understand that's not a good defense. Should I have been more cautious? Obviously. But at the time I felt as though Sakura would have stressed her role more if it had that much of an immediate danger and didn't dwell on it and just placed the vote I wanted to place. Like that's it I just fucked up.

Like I feel like you are just going to read this say it's not genuine and we are just going to keep going in circles :/
I'll keep interacting you if you want but maybe we should wait for other people to post and we can interact in other ways then our current discussion?

[beeboy]

Reeeee I am tired if that isn't readable I am sorry.

[beeboy]

Why does this come off to me tonally as you're a dead man walking?

I am pretty low energy atm.

[beeboy]

Just highlight the post number and click the post button.
It takes like literally 30 seconds (unless your phone posting) to make your post 100x more readable.

[beeboy]

I think Sakura's scum capitalizing on the fact i am being scum read to mislynch me. /o/

[beeboy]

Maru and Ali come in "those early posts were bad"
Sakura "oh right those early posts were bad there goes my town read"

[beeboy]

Is this still a thing? I dont see you pushing harder.
Maybe i missed a change of mind or something.

Do you seriously just expect me to just repeat that I am scum reading you for role based reasons over and over again expecting people to change there mind on the topic and vote you with 0 added information?

[beeboy]

tbh I was town reading her by play and scum reading her for her role so I was giving her space because the latter reason was super shitty.
But I don't buy how her read on me dropped.

[beeboy]

But still why would you say this if you thought the former.
Im confused.

I mean obviously I just have low confidence atm and you know what it is like to play while feeling that way.

[beeboy]

I mean that's why I stopped pushing it when other people showed up. I am curious as to how Sakura's read could have dropped cause it feels more opportunistic then anything else. I don't see why she thinks I should be hard pushing her atm, which just consistently ends with one of us feeling like shit, the thread turning to shit and nothing alignment indicative being produced so I don't know why she thinks i should repeat Piegirln mafia or to a lesser extent dragon age mafia.

[beeboy]

So unless she thinks I would want to repeat a shit show I literally have told her I don't want to repeat her read dropped for tonal reasons. In which case she knows I am going through shit irl in which case I don't see why a tone based reason would catch her off guard either?

Like her town read on me dropping feels like a response to the Maru catch up and she is just setting up to push me.

[beeboy]

Too bad Role isn't Alignment Indicative.

[beeboy]

Like that isn't a 100% true statement, I don't think completely ignoring someones role is a good idea (hence why you know I wasn't doing that this game).
But I don't want to push you on that alone especially when I thought your play was town

[beeboy]

Like if I have a role based reason to scum read someone and a play based reason to town read someone obviously the play reason takes priority.

[beeboy]

Also yeah im totally being opportunistic and not asking for an explanation to see where your thought process is at, yep.

I never knew you had to instantly vote me to be opportunistic
I also never knew scum don't setup to vote someone

[beeboy]

Sakura thank you for informing me scum don't do those things my read has 180'd thank you so much I am no longer misguided!

[beeboy]

I do admit that Alisae's and Mari's scumreads on you may have influenced it, made me think that probably i was going too easy on you.
But this take back without any consideration on what I was actually trying to do doesnt make me feel good about you.

Take back what? I never declared I thought your play was town in the thread.
Now your misrepping me.

[beeboy]

P-Edit: I meant take back as in counter, sorry, wrong word

HOW IS IT A COUNTER WHEN I WAS ALWAYS SCUM READING YOU FROM YOUR POV WHERE DOES THIS LOGIC COME FROM.

pedit: no she isn't

[beeboy]

Me: I think Sakura is scum
Sakura: I think beeboy is scum
Me: i still think Sakura is scum but I had a bit of hesitation at points.
Sakura: U fucking scum reading me in response to me scum reading you

Like wtf is that logic?

[beeboy]

Sakura has yet to state a reason to scum read me that actually makes sense.
Or one that doesn't involve tone.
She has no reason to do the 2nd one.

[beeboy]

like how the F do you get a scumread from 139 and 140, I was just asking what was going through your mind and you immediately panicked and called me opportunist.

Because I don't think you scum read me for tone here.
Isn't that what I already said?

[beeboy]

I don't think that's how that interaction played out at all?

She said I "countered" by scum reading her when that was always the read I had in thread?

[beeboy]

I don't think that's how that interaction played out at all?

She said I "countered" by scum reading her when that was always the read I had in thread?

You countered by calling me opportunist when i was trying to read you.

I still don't think you scum read me here for tone (the thing I said 10 times). You suddenly scum read me for a line of reason I don't think you'd use.

[beeboy]

What's your suspicion in 139 and 140 from?
And why not just tell me that I was wrong about assuming that like 1 page ago....

[beeboy]

I'm of the impression that Sakura is just trying to figure out your alignment.

I am still not.

[beeboy]

I scumread you for calling my attempt at sorting you opportunist.

Funny enough I don't think I said that before 139 and 140.

[beeboy]

Why not just answer my question as to what your suspicion was on 139 and 140 if it wasn't tone then?
You know the question i asked on 174 that you made no effort to answer in 175.

[beeboy]

Or you know you never answered what your issue was in 139 and 140 and now your not interacting with me because you know you don't have to.

[beeboy]

Like if i spent the past 2 pages saying an incorrect assumption about your suspicion on me you'd think you'd correct it.

[beeboy]

Unless you genuinely think I should have tunneled you from the early game for a role based reason and do something I specifically told you I wanted to avoid? In which case I don't believe your thinking about your read on me.

[beeboy]

Still not re clarifying what your issue with 139 and 140 was /o/
expecting me to magically figure that out /o/
seems like an attempt at sorting me /o/

[beeboy]

What's your suspicion in 139 and 140 from?

Me: what is your issue in 149 and 150

I scumread you for calling my attempt at sorting you opportunist.

Sakura: the read you declared in 151


Me: That is after 149

Sakura: FUCK INTERACTING WITH SCUM.

[beeboy]

This entire page has you failing to just answer 174 properly and your calling me obtuse?

[beeboy]

WHAT THE FUCK IS A COGDIS

[beeboy]

I THOUGHT THAT WAS A TYPO OF FUCDIS OR SOMETHING.

[beeboy]

pretty shitty just like this game.
How about you sheep are you doing well?
I looked forward to play with you again (I was the hydra in that blitz micro Ali moded)

[beeboy]

Yeah, these 2 are totally unrelated and 175 was totally an answer to 174

Cogdis is short for Cognitive Dissonance

Thank you!
(I have no idea what 175 what in response to but whatever)

[beeboy]

So you scum read me for posts that express a lack of confidence which is total bullshit because you know me not being confident is expected as either alignment from me this game.
Nice.

[beeboy]

So your town read on me dropped because I expressed a lack of confidence which is total bullshit because you know me not being confident is expect as either alignment from me this game.
Nice.

[beeboy]

The worst part is, is that you consistently misread me so much I don't even have full conviction in the fact that you aren't even thinking with your read on me and just throwing it onto other people.

[beeboy]

I want to be ended I stopped having fun when Sakura decided to either stop thinking or managed to just hard push me as scum with 0 repercussion.
Sucks votes are blocked and I need to go through 20 pages of motions before I get lynched and lose this game to scum.

[beeboy]

I would expect a town beeboy to just simply answer my question instead of throwing a BS opportunistic accusation.
I also would expect a town beeboy to not hide behind me scumreading him every game to justify me flipping town (tho at this point, i doubt anyone would flip me before you)

I did answer your question?

[beeboy]

Sakura if I am wrong on you and your town are you ever going to attempt to readjust how you read me or are you just going to scum read me every single game to the end of time unless you have a role based reason to town read me?
Not sure why I am speaking hypothetically when your just scum though.

[beeboy]

Tbh if i was scum here i'd just lurk out this phase in the game as every other poster said Sakura was town and they were suspicious of me so there's no way i'd make this push hoping people come to the conclusion I am town when tunneling hard town reads is just a really bad idea as scum since people don't like seeing there hard town reads being pushed.
But eh we'll lose to Sakura if you don't lynch me anyway so I it's no biggie.

[beeboy]

Geez i have 10 000 posts on this site wtf am i doing with my free time.

[beeboy]

This is just a bunch of WIFOM. Why post this?

I really wouldn't do something so risky for no reason as scum... It's just bad play, I would only do something like that if i knew the players I was playing with and had some kind of idea as to how they would react.
I guess that's wifom but its what i'd genuinely think here as scum.

I'm... confused. Why even vote at all if your vote automatically hammers? Not voting would've saved this whole freaking thing.

Because I fucked up because I wanted to place that vote.

I feel bad, but at this point I'm still not 100% what NU stands for...

Negative Utility role, Like Miller, Ascetic, or in this case vote freezing and auto hammering.

[beeboy]

I think bee's just being deliberately obtuse and trying to engage into a 1v1 with me and hoping ppl dismiss it as TvT.

I love how I am engaging with Sakura in the hopes people think its TvT.

I also would expect a town beeboy to not hide behind me scumreading him every game to justify me flipping town (tho at this point, i doubt anyone would flip me before you)

But at the same time I am also preparing to mislynch her!


It's almost as if I can't plan for it to be TvT if I want her lynched and she is conf biasing me

[beeboy]

[beeboy]

Link me a single ball game were I played well as scum not a multi ball one where I had a reason to have conviction behind what i was doing

[beeboy]

If your going to argue meta feel free to find me a single ball game where I get this frustrated. I am waiting.

[beeboy]

You know I have so much trouble being motivated in single ball and 227 is you trying to make people be scared of my scum game or some shit.

pedit: i mean i just hard lurked in that game and did nothing I fail to see how that supports you in any way?

[beeboy]

I didn't push anyone in that game until day 3 during lylo.

[beeboy]

I was also playing to get lynched I didn't really feel pressure that game since I just wanted my buddy to win 3 man lylo after busing me (that lack of pressure worked in my favor and get you lynched)

[beeboy]

Where you literally came hard at me linking meta left and right to try to get me ML'd and then after i townread you you got frustrated?

tbh I made up a lot of stuff that game no one fact checked.

[beeboy]

Btw, nothing bee has done this game is outside of his scum range.

Like this is you blatantly you trying to make people afraid of my scum game is what I am saying.

[beeboy]

tbh using that as a tactic to mislynch me when you actively are afraid of people using meta against you kinda annoys me.

pedit fuck off

[beeboy]

I think Sakura is just trying to piss me off for fun or because she thinks she can bounce off it to look more town.
Can I be lynched now?

[beeboy]

Doesnt work on me anymore.

I never used that as a tactic like ever?

[beeboy]

It's funny i just have the expectation after I rant to you on discord about how i have no confidence you wouldn't link a post that shows a lack of confidence and see it as abnormal.
All while that is conveniently after people start to vote me and want me lynched.
Maybe I am wrong in having the expectation you'd make that connection though even though I imagine it isn't very hard to make.

[beeboy]

Also I really don't think Sakura would be reading me out of fear of things I can do as scum here considering she told me before role pms got sent she wouldn't do that.
Obviously something like that wouldn't apply to her as scum.

[beeboy]

Like maybe I am wrong and maybe I set my expectations to high on how she would approach reading me this game but I still just think she scum.

[beeboy]

Like if Sakura really is still reading me out of fear and just completely ignores how a lack of confidence would effect how I am playing this game I am going to be really disappointed tbh.

[beeboy]

Btw, nothing bee has done this game is outside of his scum range.

This is fear mongering and you fucking know it.
Even if your town this is exactly what you are trying to do here.

[beeboy]

Like how the fuck is that a misrepresentation?

[beeboy]

Sakura is giving 0 consideration into me being town she shifted her read and has made 0 acts to do anything other then just conf bias spew shit about me being scum.

[beeboy]

Like when I flip town see how I am constantly saying how I am going to be disappointing if Sakura is town despite the fact I have a lot of reasons to believe she just isn't taking a lot of information into consideration with her read on me here because parts of me think she could be town?

And how Sakura is just fear mongering and misrepping me and is acting 100% certain I am just scum?
So when I flip town when you guys don't take that into consideration I just want to say I tried.

[beeboy]

It's obviously too late for to pretend to make some shitty posts pretending i could be town because I just pointed out she wasn't doing that.

[beeboy]

Ok
I can't imagine sakura as a fear mongerer tbh.

Exactly 227 means she is scum.
She doesn't use that as an argument as town.

also beeboy you're cute when you're like this :3

I am town ;-;

[beeboy]

Spoiler: All of bee's misrepresentations

I think Sakura's scum capitalizing on the fact i am being scum read to mislynch me. /o/

Maru and Ali come in "those early posts were bad"
Sakura "oh right those early posts were bad there goes my town read"

her read on me dropped.

I also never knew scum don't setup to vote someone

Me: I think Sakura is scum
Sakura: I think beeboy is scum
Me: i still think Sakura is scum but I had a bit of hesitation at points.
Sakura: U fucking scum reading me in response to me scum reading you

Like wtf is that logic?

Sakura has yet to state a reason to scum read me that actually makes sense.
Or one that doesn't involve tone.
She has no reason to do the 2nd one.

like how the F do you get a scumread from 139 and 140, I was just asking what was going through your mind and you immediately panicked and called me opportunist.

Because I don't think you scum read me for tone here.
Isn't that what I already said?

Or you know you never answered what your issue was in 139 and 140 and now your not interacting with me because you know you don't have to.

Still not re clarifying what your issue with 139 and 140 was /o/
expecting me to magically figure that out /o/
seems like an attempt at sorting me /o/

So you scum read me for posts that express a lack of confidence which is total bullshit because you know me not being confident is expected as either alignment from me this game.
Nice.

So your town read on me dropped because I expressed a lack of confidence which is total bullshit because you know me not being confident is expect as either alignment from me this game.
Nice.

Whew, sorry, that took a while, there were too many.

I am glad you wasted your time quoting these.

[beeboy]

Like just read 144 to know she is just confbiasing in that post "144 - her read on me dropped"
Because fun fact thats a misrep and didn't actually happen did you guys know that?

[beeboy]

Did you know Sakura didn't take other peoples posts into consideration when reading me even though she admitted to doing that?
I guess that makes sense as another misrep.

[beeboy]

She also used the posts where i didn't know what cogdis as a term to say I am misrepresenting her for asking her questions over and over again because i didn't know I had my answer when I just don't know what a term is /o/
I guess thats just a scum misrep and not a misunderstanding /o/

[beeboy]

I just want when I flip town for people to scroll my posts realize I actually have hesitation in what I am doing and think of multiple possibilities here even if it is really obvious sakura is just scum.
When sakura hasn't suggested fucking once i could be town because she is just scum.

Like when I flip town that's all I want but i probably won't get that.

[beeboy]

Sakura wouldn't be this confident reading a player she has never successfully town read without using a role based reason barring 1 off site game I threatened to replace out page 2.

[beeboy]

I just want when I flip town for people to scroll my posts realize I actually have hesitation in what I am doing and think of multiple possibilities here even if it is really obvious sakura is just scum.
When sakura hasn't suggested fucking once i could be town because she is just scum.

Like when I flip town that's all I want but i probably won't get that.

Sakura wouldn't be this confident reading a player she has never successfully town read without using a role based reason barring 1 off site game I threatened to replace out page 2.

Like ignore all my individual posts into consideration because obviously everyone disagrees with those and when I flip town just take this into consideration please?

[beeboy]

I already stopped!

Yeah she said she stopped 5 pages ago but she keeps replying because she is just scum who feels the need to defend themselves Maru!

[beeboy]

Don't pretend she stopped she was pushing me 20 posts ago.

[beeboy]

Like fuck that.

[beeboy]

I just want when I flip town for people to scroll my posts realize I actually have hesitation in what I am doing and think of multiple possibilities here even if it is really obvious sakura is just scum.
When sakura hasn't suggested fucking once i could be town because she is just scum.

Like when I flip town that's all I want but i probably won't get that.

Sakura wouldn't be this confident reading a player she has never successfully town read without using a role based reason barring 1 off site game I threatened to replace out page 2.

Like ignore all my individual posts into consideration because obviously everyone disagrees with those and when I flip town just take this into consideration please?

Barring everything I said about individual issues with her posts both these posts are super valid but i'll stop because maybe I am just mad atm.

[beeboy]

Jesus fuck if she is not stopping neither am I.

This is a player who has played with me with us both being town at least 10 times
She has never once town read me successfully using a role based reason.
She has literally thrown a game before scum reading me.
IN THE PREGAME SHE TOLD ME SHE WAS NOT ABLE TO READ ME SUCCESSFULLY AS A PLAYER AKA SHE THINKS SHE IS BAD AT READING ME.

No she is fucking scum this confdience doesn't come from her as town.

Town don't fucking tunnel this hard on a player they have low confidence reading and then never consider they are town once.

SHE IS JUST FUCKING SCUM SHE HAS NO REASON TO HAVE CONFIDENCE SHE IS TRYING TO ACT SUPER CONFIDENT SO SHE CAN PACKPEDDLE SAYING SHE WOULDN'T BE SUCH AN OBVIOUS SCUM AS SCUM WHEN I GET MISLYNCHED.

[beeboy]

She has never once town read me successfully using a role based reason.

without using a role based reason*

[beeboy]

Ok I am out now. I am tired of going in circles.

[beeboy]

Ok when I want to leave and scum Sakura comes in and actively misreps how do i stay gone?

[beeboy]

SAKURA HAS SAID SHE IS WORSE AT READING ME THEN THE OTHER WAY AROUND, AND IS ARGUING I SHOULDN'T HAVE CONFIDENCE IS THAT SOME KIND OF REALLY BAD JOKE?
>USES WIFOM ARGUMENT
>BEE IS SCUM FOR USING WIFOM
Idek it's like i am the only one reading these posts.

[beeboy]

No, town beeboy would spend longer trying to sort me and keep me in the null pile.

I WAS TRYING TO DO THAT AND YOU DROPPED YOUR TOWN READ ON ME YOU SCUM FUCK
IS THIS IS YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS YOUR READ WOULD HAVEN'T DROPPED

[beeboy]

Anyway, my initial town read on bee had been gut.

AND SHE IS SAYING I AM MISREPING HER
SHE SAID RIGHT FUCKING HERE HER TOWN READ DROPPED AND IS LATER SAYING IT NEVER DID LIKE FUCK THIS

[beeboy]

I've come to the conclusion I am the only one reading the thread.

[beeboy]

I will now hope i don't see sakura misrep me again before i successfully go to sleep.

[beeboy]

I hope I wake up to being lynched tbh.

[beeboy]

but he kept pushing the fact that "my read had dropped", unless he comes from a magical world where people dont question their townreads,

???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

What never happened?

[beeboy]

I never said my town read on you dropped before 137, stop fucking misrepresenting me.

[beeboy]

Find me the post before 137 where i said your town read on me dropped.

[beeboy]

That must not be hard to find if it actually happened.

[beeboy]

I meant I never said your town read on me dropped before 137 which is what your accusing me of by saying that I started pushing you for having a dropped town read before it ever happened.

[beeboy]

but he kept pushing the fact that "my read had dropped", unless he comes from a magical world where people dont question their townreads

Your saying here there was a period of time where you were town reading me and in that world i was saying your read on me dropped.
I never said you weren't town reading me before 137.

[beeboy]

I am even quoting the post how are you saying you didn't say that :/

[beeboy]

Like it's in a quote how do you deny your saying that :/

[beeboy]

Anyway, my initial town read on bee had been gut.

THEN WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS

[beeboy]

My townread on you hadnt dropped until after you pushed me for opportunism.

SHE IS SCUM CAUGHT IN A FUCKING LIE SHE DECLARED SHE WASN'T TOWN READING ME IN 137.

[beeboy]

You're literally taking a post where i answered a question and called it my read dropping.

So you told Maru your read on me was gut while you were town reading me?
What the fuck
If you were town reading me how did I gut your read.

[beeboy]

Like why tell Maru you read on me was gutted if you were town reading me?
Like your read can drop from town -> null if you never knew that.

[beeboy]

Huh I thought you meant your read on me was gutted.
I guess I caught scum for wrong reasons yay /o/

[beeboy]

Cause even if your read on me never dropped there is still no way you mislynch someone every game I roll VT and then have this level of confidence and never once consider I am town /o/

[beeboy]

You at no point have ever considered me being town and are only trying to pretend you did because I am pushing that as a scum tell.

[beeboy]

Do you think I am suddenly going to overlook you never considering that I am town because I misread something early?

[beeboy]

There's no way bee thinks there's any reason for me to townread anything he's done here.

I am not asking to town read me.
I am asking you to consider the possibility I am town which you never did.

Like you aren't considering I am town, a town you would be paranoid, you aren't at all.

pedit: fuck yourself again

[beeboy]

YOU VOTED ME FOR OUT OF GAME REASONS IN THAT GAME

[beeboy]

I am replacing out in my next post if sakura doesn't apologize for making that argument.

[beeboy]

I am replacing out in my next post if sakura doesn't apologize for making that argument.

apologize.

[beeboy]

Want me to link the sequence of her not being confident at all, her saying she hates me off site at around the same time she votes me?

[beeboy]

sigh sorry Ali your right this isn't worth getting worked up over.
I still want my apology.

[beeboy]

He knows how i felt last time he did the same thing.
Yet he's doing it again...

So beeboy does take scumreads on him personally as scum.
That's what you're basicly telling me right?

This is like the osu! game all over again, where he pulled so much BS about my meta out of his ass to engage with me, that i thought he wouldnt do that as a scum, because it hurt me a lot and it was impossible from my PoV for him to do it.
He knows how much that hurt me.
Yet here we go he's doing that again.

The only meta thing I mentioned is that you consistently misread me which you trying to deny is kind of a joke.

[beeboy]

I was going to try and reevaluate but then Sakura spends a page spewing AtE now I don't really care much to do it anymore.

[beeboy]

Idk Sakura trying to deny she has told me she can't read me at all and referencing a game where she voted me for out of game reasons to argue against that bothers me. Tbh I am not even sure if that's alignment indicative but it's a really bullshit tactic either way.

But yeah I was considering the idea Sakura was town before I opened this thread but her AtE set me back but let's not go down this road again. Like the 1v1 stopped becoming alignment roughly 5 pages ago when Sakura just started to hard conf bias me out of emotion. Like that is literally what happened and I was doing that as well there is no individual post I can honestly read and come to the conclusion is a town or scum post because it is all coming from emotion.

The off site game she keeps bringing up makes me think going this hard on reading me out of emotion isn't something she would do as scum? But on the other hand in that game she was clearly trying to take into consideration I could be town and that's my main issue with her posts, idc if she isn't town reading me, idc if she thinks none of my posts come from town even in the off site game she took into consideration that she could be wrong which I find really odd here. But I guess in GIF's Pie mafia game she really never did take that into consideration so I am becoming less sure when I think about it.
I also think Sakura is a really emotional person I don't think she can't fake this as scum I am just not sure if she would be willing to do it. I am also not sure if a scum Sakura actually feels misrepresented here because in that case I can see how she would actually take this personally as scum. Like I hate genuine emotion to argue someone is town when there is a reasonable world as scum they get mad at thread contents.

So I guess to determine she is town I need to decide if she is pushing this way too hard to actually be scum and I need to think about how valid my reservations actually are. I fortunately have a lot of time to think about this but idk atm.

[beeboy]

@Ali so tldr is I reevaluated last night and I am still thinking about it.

[beeboy]

Or i can pretend the 1v1 never happened and go back to town reading her for our early interactions because even if she never clarified for 5 pages because she was mad, her read on me never got gutted because i showed a lack of confidence which was one of my main issues with her posts.
I dont know I'll keep thinking I guess.

[beeboy]

Like knowing the above i guess a few of her posts become more valid.

[beeboy]

323 Oh. My. Gosh. Beeboy. The term gut means it was instinctual and not based on something substantial. Is this entire argument based on you not understanding a word?

Yeah I was thinking of the definition of gut as in to gut a fish aka removed "my town read was gut" = "my town read was removed"
Oops

(tbh I am not fully sold on Sakura being town but I guess I should leave that be)

[beeboy]

In my defense gut getting used as a verb does yield that definition, although considering I am on this forum I probably should have realized thats not what she meant.

[beeboy]

Re: 386: wouldn't that have required it to be in past tense, "gutted", if that were the case?

Yes. But I didn't think of that oops.

[beeboy]

UNVOTE:

Watch this work

[beeboy]

I swore I made this post 3 times now but I guess I never hit submit. (and now that I am making it I won't even be awake to reply)

I am guessing I know the reason for the sheep read but someone humor me and explain the read to me anyway?
It would also give sheep something to reply to.

[beeboy]

Bee did you ask GIF if my vote lock prevents your auto hammer from happening? coz i feel like putting this guy at L-1

Yes I did ask him if I would auto hammer.

[beeboy]

My interpretation of my role is I won't auto hammer.
I can double check that for whatever it is worth.

[beeboy]

Like I'll be really surprised if my vote can move with my role while my vote is locked.

[beeboy]

A sheep Lynch yields almost no information but thats a stupid reason to not Lynch someone I guess.

[beeboy]

yeah I don't auto hammer cause my vote is locked.

[beeboy]

^ mod answer
sorry for 5 chain posts

[beeboy]

A part of me still thinks Sakura could be scum.
But another part of me wonders how much I should care when if Sakura is scum I am just never going to play mafia with her again.

pedit: yes.
Although we don't even have posts from all the players yet

[beeboy]

Sobolev Space should post more before we proceed.

[beeboy]

Sheep you claim, can we not hammer while we have a MIA slot :/

[beeboy]

if Sakura is scum I am just never going to play mafia with her again.

Well, gladly im not, but im wondering why.

Referencing a game where you voted me for out of game reasons to gain leverage as scum is kinda fucked to me.
Also it would mean you don't give a single fuck you did that in which case odds are you'd do it again.

[beeboy]

How?
I can see him being a scum or town backup tbh.

[beeboy]

Except you did?
And that's straight up what you told me on discord but whatever.

[beeboy]

Anyway so we lynch Sheep after Soblev catches up and we roll from there is the plan?

[beeboy]

I guess we could.

[beeboy]

Um.

[beeboy]

Sheep actually tried as scum in fairness, I am kinda null on the slot atm.
It's just this game kinda sux.

[beeboy]

I want a replacement before we do anything else.
So yeah let's wait.

[beeboy]

I don't like how PP wants to hammer before we get a replacement

[beeboy]

nice.

[beeboy]

Why are we fake hammering a slot that replaced out?

[beeboy]

Like I've been sitting here waiting for a shitty null reaction from sheep but he isn't even in this game still.

pedit: NM Is on the wagon already, I thought you were in on it waiting for a reaction from a replaced out player like me.

[beeboy]

lmao

[beeboy]

Umm this game has likely little to no investigative power.
Scum have negative utility or this game is completely fucked in terms of balance.

[beeboy]

Not being able to hammer isn't even that bad as scum.
You can use it to fake reactions to save buddies, or you know just readjust wagons and ask to be 2nd last on the wagon.

[beeboy]

Ali that's hard! :<

[beeboy]

Like I admit roles and the ways players approach them can be alignment indicative.
But simply rolling priest doesn't make someone town at all.

[beeboy]

Anyone who rolls priest will use their role to do exactly that.

That's what I am arguing I thought that her play with her role isn't town o3o

[beeboy]

I should really establish more reads tbh.

[beeboy]

Whoever is town please reply to this post stating you are town.

[beeboy]

Yeah same tbh.

[beeboy]

Nice I was starting to worry my trap didn't work.

[beeboy]

You should yes.

[beeboy]

Why is it when I play mafia people think scum fake everything.
Like scum can forget things, scum can misread posts, scum can be emotionally driven and scum can obtain a rolepm with a confirmable role.

[beeboy]

Whoever is town please reply to this post stating you are town.

Except that the only people who will probably do this are mafia trying to townypoints

shit I didn't think of that, thanks.

[beeboy]

I agree but i still kinda want a replacement

[beeboy]

Hello friendo o/

[beeboy]

Tbh, It's been bugging me and I intended on leaving it be.
But I seriously don't understand why Sakura town reads me it makes literally 0 sense to me.

[beeboy]

Like it just feels like she is town reading me for AtE reasons which I don't get.

[beeboy]

So you think I would take personal issue to a post related to another game as town but not as scum?
That makes no sense to me.

Pedit: I agree

[beeboy]

Like what in particular makes it town?