Micro 753: Votefuckery (Game Over)

[Alisae]

VOTE: Sakura
Hey its been awhile :3

[Alisae]

Um
I thought its mod confirmed our roles don't work in LyLo?

[Alisae]

4-1 isn't LyLo?

Should I just pass out I haven't slept yet because I'm misunderstanding you or?...

[Alisae]

Also I may or may not have a claim myself.

[Alisae]

We'll talk after I get some "z"s

[Alisae]

VOTE: scum

[Alisae]

Sakura is this what you do to me for saying hi to you?
I thought our friendship was better then this :'(

[Alisae]

Sakura is this what you do to me for saying hi to you?
I thought our friendship was better then this :'(

Well I did warn people, I really wanted to be the first post to warn sooner, sorry.

sads

I'll read up in a bit

[Alisae]

Okay I finished reading

Sakura A. I love A Hat in Time and everything about it B. I don't understand the point of a warning if no one is litterally given the chance to react to it?

Beeboy's interactions with Sakura come off as Beeboy trying to wash his hands of the whole thing with posts like 49 and 67 so he can die.

[Alisae]

With ??? votes available, 5 to lynch

Also
let's not assume things we don't know plz.

[Alisae]

I literally said "dont vote me if you dont want the votes to be frozen".

And Beeboy was the only person who was around and posting when you said that right?

Like if I was on I woulda unvoted for sure.

Do you think there's a possibily that because you warned everyone about that specific part beeboy voted you before anyone else got on/I unvoted you because he's a scumfuck?

pedit: I still have it, I just wanted to bring back this slurpuff for abit because Ether made it for me and a lot of people really love this avi.

[Alisae]

Also Sakura look at this

Isn't it adorable?

[Alisae]

VOTE: Sakura

I'll explain my read later.

This leading in to this

I dunno if you claimed in a different way I wouldn't have done that.
I guess if you town its my bad.

Sorry about that Ali, Sakura and sheep :/

Does not come off as sincere or genuine to me at all and just feels really untruthful

[Alisae]

tbh if I was scum I'd just be doing my gimmick I wanted to do where I only communicate through votes, but I guess that's not a viable defense.

I genuinely just thought Sakura saying "don't vote me for too long" literally meant I couldn't vote her for too long, not that I couldn't vote her.

Okay first off communicating only through votes would annoy a bunch of people and get you pl'd.

Secondly, you do NOT come off as that way to me at all because I feel like you would have shown more caution if you were town.


pedit: Um I'm not treating it as a "big deal?"
I'm trying to sort you and your reaction here isn't really helping me :/

Also 91 still just does not feel genuine to me.

[Alisae]

It is, my favorite hat is the ice one with the cat ears tho xD

Also you gotta show me this

[Alisae]

Okay first off communicating only through votes would annoy a bunch of people and get you pl'd.

When was the last time you actually saw a policy lynch, for any reason?

TB's uPick Micro that was litterally aids where Skitter missed a dayvig, and became hated.
We would have had to pl her at somepoint because the hated took place in MyLo/LyLo but TB designed an Oracle that acted like a Tripple Parity Cop because lolmods lolaids lolnoreviewers

[Alisae]

Point is they can happen (rarely) and should happen more.

Also a long time ago I saw someone who tried that and people hated it and wanted to pl it.

What does that question tell you about my alignment?

[Alisae]

Actually PP you were in the game where I believe it was sickofit's normal where I was a neapolitan and Cloudie was an Odd-Night rb that carried the win for town.
Loopdan tried to do something similar there right?

[Alisae]

ok I want to see you post content soon.

[Alisae]

Rawr
It was a long time ago so I'm not surprised you don't remember it.

[Alisae]

If you don't feel as though I am not genuine I am not really sure what I can do

Why does this come off to me tonally as you're a dead man walking?

But yes you should have been more cautious or atleast have taken some responsibility for it. And the fact that you seem to be blaming Sakura for most of this and washing your hands off of it bugs me :/

[Alisae]

Alisae is a town read now.

It is, my favorite hat is the ice one with the cat ears tho xD

Also you gotta show me this

Spoiler:

Cuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuute
tbh I find it really cute when in the the very first mission Hat Kid says "Down With the Mafia."
That mission is one of the few times you actually get to hear her voice and omg its so adorable.

My first 3 hours of playing a Hat in Time was me just being in love with how adorable Hat Kid is.
And that wasn't an experience I had while playing the beta with the ADULT had kid.

[Alisae]

eyo wuss poppin

Hi do you have reads on Sakura and Beeboy?

[Alisae]

eyo wuss poppin

Hi do you have reads on Sakura and Beeboy?

someday i'll catch up

the game is like 5 pages man :/

[Alisae]

I feel like i should have at least another townread atm, but i dont. I feel kinda bad that the votes froze.

2 people haven't posted yet, NM is really hard to sort, and a lot of the others haven't really posted any significant content yet so...

[Alisae]

mod: would you be willing to run an FoS counter alongside the votecount or would that have so be done by us?

Ran it in a Micro and in a Newbie game.
Its pointless and not that many people will use it.

Reading the rest of your post now.

[Alisae]

Hey Maru here is a present fron the gods

Code: Select all

[post][/post]

Enjoy

[Alisae]

I'm assuming locked votes means that people who haven't voted yet still can do so, they just can't change their vote when they do. is this correct?

My vote along with Beeboy's and Sheeps are basicly frozen in place.

[Alisae]

Again I have or may not have a claim today I'm still thinking about how I use this.

[Alisae]

LOL Alright.

[Alisae]

Too bad Role isn't Alignment Indicative.

[Alisae]

Also yeah im totally being opportunistic and not asking for an explanation to see where your thought process is at, yep.

I never knew you had to instantly vote me to be opportunistic
I also never knew scum don't setup to vote someone

Sakura looks like she's trying to sort you from my pov

[Alisae]

I don't think that's how that interaction played out at all?

[Alisae]

Sakura has yet to state a reason to scum read me that actually makes sense.
Or one that doesn't involve tone.
She has no reason to do the 2nd one.

I don't think that's how that interaction played out at all?

She said I "countered" by scum reading her when that was always the read I had in thread?

I'm of the impression that Sakura is just trying to figure out your alignment.

[Alisae]

I think bee's just being deliberately obtuse

I think he's kind of misrepresenting what's actually going on idunno if that's bein deliberately obtuse or not.

[Alisae]

I didn't mod no micro blitz that's bullshit

[Alisae]

I'm memeing btw if anyone can't tell

[Alisae]

this is getting painful to watch tbh

[Alisae]

its been ok.
I have about 26 hours to write a paper about dolphins being suicidal that I haven't started on yet and probably won't for about a few more hours because ~reasons~

[Alisae]

from my understanding they make a conscious effort to actually breath so what can happen is they'll just stop breathing if they're depressed and "dissapear"

[Alisae]

Ok
I can't imagine sakura as a fear mongerer tbh.

[Alisae]

also beeboy you're cute when you're like this :3

[Alisae]

:/
i have an idea
take a nap
=> rest
=> healthy
=> fit
=> attract someone <3

pedit oh look you are making a wise choice

This can also die.

[Alisae]

Oh yeah Alisae, you were in biochem
Tell me, was or was i not confident in bee scum there.

From what I hardly remember from biochem
I remember you definitely being confident on bee as scum.

[Alisae]

I am replacing out in my next post if sakura doesn't apologize for making that argument.

Go get some sleep

[Alisae]

or something you've been argueing with Sakura for awhile I think you should just take a break from the thread regardless of your alignment.

I haven't actually read through any of it, I try to defuse this subtlely but that didn't really work.

Just take some breaths dude.

[Alisae]

and read through any of it refering to the last two pages because you'll wake up tomorrow regardless of your alignment and think that this is just getting awful to read.

[Alisae]

Just take some breaths dude.

I really want to.
But bee keeps wanting to push this argument that im not confident in pushing him as town which is untrue so...

You could use a break from the thread too.


Let some people who haven't got a chance to weigh in weigh in.

[Alisae]

sigh sorry Ali your right this isn't worth getting worked up over.

Exactly see.

pedit: -insert gif of hat kid playing with dolls-

[Alisae]

No one needs to replace out because of this.

This shit happens all of the time.

[Alisae]

Plus this isn't as bad as a Nacho and Syr hydra, morph and a Tammy/Ceph hydra all not being able to sync and as such drama and fights insued.

Welcome to Mafia aka Mario Party where things can get a bit personal. It happens to the best of us.

[Alisae]

No one needs to replace out because of this.

This shit happens all of the time.

Sorry, im just... too mad at bee right now.
That he as scum would try to use that tactic.

I just...
Dont even know what to think right now.

See what a reread on with an open mind tells you tomorrow?

Either way wait for others to weigh in and talk to them.
That's what needs to happen most right now.

[Alisae]

He knows how i felt last time he did the same thing.
Yet he's doing it again...

So beeboy does take scumreads on him personally as scum.
That's what you're basicly telling me right?

[Alisae]

mkay when I read through those exchanges I'll keep that in mind.

tho I kinda want to remind ya something if ya don't mind.

And keep in mind this happens to me too, and this is something I also tend to manipulate as scum

But ya know how a bunch of people like Cowbells have these insane ego battles and they dominate games based on these battles and they use anger to help control the game?
Its male manipulative and kinda reflective of the real world if you think about it.
I wanna quote Camn on it because I'm basicly trying to paraphrase mostly what she said about this kind of stuff.

In real life, men wouldnt speak to each other like this.. because fist-fights and murder would ensue. But they would talk to US this way.. and many times we would simply capitulate. OR we DO talk back... and fist-fights and murder ensue, only we never win.
This is also true, historically, here on ms.net. Often the men involved can handle the purifying flame of CAPSRAGE and hate.. and some of us (not all!) but some, we don't handle it well. We stop playing. we replace out. whatever. And almost always the game sucks.

Either way, I don't think its a good time for either of ywall to start mealting down and taking this personally.
You're trying to ignore him however that sends the message to Bee that you can be bullied so he's continueing to do it.

I think the best way to deal with these types of things is to just defuse them if you are aware that its happening.

I don't think now is the best time for a 1v1 with Beeboy mostly because others haven't shown up.
Sure he is most likely scum, and if you two were to 1v1 I'd probably end up voting him in a heartbeat if my vote wasn't locked.
(Now that I think about it a Gladiator might exist in this game that can solve the freezing problem)

I mean
when it comes to the 1v1 then fucking burn him with fire.

But not everyone has posted yet, we're not even 24 hours into the day.
That's not the thing to be doing right now.

So just find a way to defuse it and calm it down.

[Alisae]

dw about it. :3

[Alisae]

Like this shit happens to the best of us all the time.

[Alisae]

I think if you're town you should re-evaluate and show me what you got.

[Alisae]

Me will do the looking things when I wake up

[Alisae]

Maru how do you feel about beeboy?

[Alisae]

ASP where are ya at in general?
PP, Sobolev, and Sheepsayscum should be answering that as well.

[Alisae]

Any other notable reads or?

Also what don't you like about it?

[Alisae]

Hey can we get more votes on sheep please ty

[Alisae]

Hey can we get more votes on sheep please ty

You're not voting sheep.

How am I supposed to vote sheep with my vote being locked?

[Alisae]

And I have 2 jobs that i work nearly a hundred hours a week at.

America man

[Alisae]

A lot of his posts gut wise just don't really seem to be coming from to in my opinion like this.

pretty shitty just like this game.
How about you sheep are you doing well?
I looked forward to play with you again (I was the hydra in that blitz micro Ali moded)

oh wait you were hboley
those were some damn good shots rip ;-;

Reading it, there's something about it that just doesn't feel town and it's mostly just gut.

--

*yawn* *munches popcorn*

:/
i have an idea
take a nap
=> rest
=> healthy
=> fit
=> attract someone <3

pedit oh look you are making a wise choice

This feels like scum when it comes to attempting to defuse Sakura v Beeboy.
Not really committing to defusing the fight, just looking like they're doing something.

--

Maru how do you feel about beeboy?

def portrays a sense of confidence which can be a scumtell for some ppl but i dont want to go meta matching bc im lazy

The stance here seems really noncommittal and there is plenty in the thread to attempt to sort beeboy with yet it seems like sheep isn't really interested in any of it. It doesn't read like someone who is trying to sort people.

[Alisae]

I am going to assume you didn't get an answer yet.

[Alisae]

its okay atleast you're not luv who does this.

[Alisae]

its okay atleast you're not luv who does this.

EBWOP

[Alisae]

I'll read this in a bit

[Alisae]

thanks NM
Thanks a whole fucking lot.

[Alisae]

Why is it fake again?
My memory is failing me.

[Alisae]

oh.
my vote is frozen.

[Alisae]

I should pay more attention then.

[Alisae]

the first thing that i think is weird is his turnaround on sheep from 419 to 442 where he declares intent to hammer. he notes that sheep seems to be "actively lurking" in 419 but appears to not think this merits a scumread. i would buy that his mind changed in 442 based on alisae's case in 423 but in 446 he seems to think the main reason to lynch sheep is his "lack of effort" which imo falls in the same category as "actively lurking".

--

Btw there's something else I forgot to mention about my ability.
If at the time the votes are frozen the vote distribution makes it impossible to achieve a lynch the day will immediately end with a no lynch.

This makes a lot of sense tbh.

[Alisae]

Ok what I was going to say to Sobolev is I like your read and I want to see where you go with it because those seem like great things to poke Maru about.

[Alisae]

Um I had just woken up to see the hammer.
Maybe that's why.

[Alisae]

and I'm dense.

So let's not talk more about those things :3

[Alisae]

Sobolev is conf!town for me.

I'm going to assume this information is based on role and when I feel better about your alignment I'll trust this.

[Alisae]

It has nothing to do with my role. Sobolev is a Priest-type role (confirmed by the lack of ability to hammer, but ability to vote), and I will treat that slot as town given that Priests are overwhelmingly NU for town.

Role =/ Alignment

[Alisae]

Sorry buddy, welcome to a GiF game,
the game modded by someone who got the wrong end of pitchforks for putting scum neighbours in the game.

[Alisae]

It has nothing to do with my role. Sobolev is a Priest-type role (confirmed by the lack of ability to hammer, but ability to vote), and I will treat that slot as town given that Priests are overwhelmingly NU for town.

Role =/ Alignment

Fully get that, but that role is usually town-aligned, and so I will treat as such for now.

How about you read someone for their play.

[Alisae]

Ali that's hard! :<

apparently for some people it is.

--

How about you read someone for their play.

Right, like someone who "forgets" that they're vote locked.

Like, the horror, mechanics are looked at in the game.

If role was alignment indicative, then we would massclaim and win the game D1.
It's' not and mods will always find some sort of twist to the game to make things seem like they're not.
GiF will always throw in something to make things seem like they aren't.
Like
you might as well be reading anyone who claims NU as town, and with vote mechanics there seems to be plenty of NU

[Alisae]

I think Innocent Child is alignment indicative!

<3

--

Like I admit roles and the ways players approach them can be alignment indicative.
But simply rolling priest doesn't make someone town at all.

Anyone who rolls priest will use their role to do exactly that.


Also PP she's confirmed priest.
I feel like the way she went along with it could be done as either alignment.

[Alisae]

Whoever is town please reply to this post stating you are town.

LOL

[Alisae]

Yeah same tbh.

[Alisae]

huh that is interesting

[Alisae]

I feel like Maru is the type of player where later on in the game is you do a complete reset you can tell he's pushing an agenda because he won't try to hide it.

[Alisae]

I feel like Maru is the type of player where later on in the game is you do a complete reset you can tell he's pushing an agenda because he won't try to hide it.

what exactly do you mean by this post?

Exactly what it says?
Some people are just easier to catch later in the game.

[Alisae]

I feel like Maru is the type of player where later on in the game is you do a complete reset you can tell he's pushing an agenda because he won't try to hide it.

what exactly do you mean by this post?

Exactly what it says?
Some people are just easier to catch later in the game.

just clarifying what you think the proper course of action wrt maru is

Poke right now

[Alisae]

Hey PP
forget things when I wake up
move on

[Alisae]

@ guy who hasn't posted whose name i can't remember scumread because my intent to hammer: my intent to hammer was a policy. I have no read om sheep. But he is actively lurking amd refusing to post content and hides behind " but i spend less than 8 hours a day at school so i can't possibly be active!". I don't want to play with that it regardless of alignment

Okay yeah,
what are your reads again and why?

[Alisae]

LMAO

[Alisae]

Also I just finished a game where for some reason I fakeclaimed ascetic when I was a Ninja Godfather with an Unblockable Vig shot.

Don't ask me why I claimed Ascetic please.

[Alisae]

the setup was complete aids btw.

[Alisae]

yeah I'm also bored

[Alisae]

ugh

mod replace me

srsly got no time this week

@GiF/HST - did you miss this?

[Alisae]

oh my gosh this game was a lot easier to read when you two didn't have the same avatar.

You should join us on the trend.

[Alisae]

Is this going to blow up into a fight that gets personal?
Because if it is, we don't need that.

[Alisae]

Is this going to blow up into a fight that gets personal?
Because if it is, we don't need that.

(requoting cuz lolsameavi)
Sort Sakura later, right now she's blantantly obvtown, and you're going to this up into something bigger then it needs to be.
We don't need that.

[Alisae]

like no one needs that.

[Alisae]

oh god help me plz we don't need to do this.

[Alisae]

ok yeah maybe the avis are starting to get annoying

[Alisae]

Beeboy leave it be
If this is still an issue by D3 then we'll talk about it then.

[Alisae]

yeah I'm also bored

This.

As for my reads,
Sheep slot is null annoying
Beeboy is shittyplayer probably scum
Nm is null
Sakura is town ish
Penguinpower is town
Alisae is continuing to show towny points.
I honestly can't think or the names or the other two players without going back and iso which is hard while on mobile so pretty darn null which at this point into the game if I can't remember them that's kinda lurky

Ok I miss the nuance you had in your first post, if you could do more of that I could sort you better ty.

Talk to me about Beeboy and Penguinpower play by play.

[Alisae]

Nsg I wasn't really in the ones getting personal moreso I was just trying to stop it.

I feel like you're taking the easy way out with your reads right now :/

[Alisae]

Also I don't really care about your role since that's not AI and it never will be except IC.

I feel like that post could come any alignment its not AI

[Alisae]

That post is 475 btw

[Alisae]

Ur play isn't town

[Alisae]

Also yo gif
If you gave me scum, can you give me a scumvig upon hammering
Ty in advance, asking for a friend

[Alisae]

I don't care about the lurking and I could case him easily without using the word lurk

I think your content could easily come from scum and you haven't really done anything that is flat out townie

[Alisae]

My read on you is that you kinda look like you're openwolfing and when it comes to reads you aren't really doing anything that easily stands out from the crowd, you're not trying to progress the gamestate, you're not being town.

[Alisae]

Ive been out of town

scum caught
glgl

[Alisae]

I'm not ending the day without a better read on your slot.

[Alisae]

that's not a good thing

[Alisae]

Talk to me about Beeboy and Penguinpower play by play.

Either way get to this when you get the chance

[Alisae]

Beeboy's vote is frozen so he can't do it

[Alisae]

derp clear denied.

[Alisae]

game ded

[Alisae]

Also tbh I'm about to go install the Little Busters VN since that came out on steam and I need to ACTUALLY PLAY IT
One of my favorite animes ever and the VN MAKES IT EVEN BETTER



TJWHLKER:OQ@UREUWARJEWR

[Alisae]

I kinda really want Maru to talk more about his reads more

[Alisae]

I'm not ending the day without a better read on your slot.

[Alisae]

That was towards Maru.

[Alisae]

Maru was an early townread. I feel the need to look further into why that's not the case for everyone.

His start was strong however it kinda just ended there, so I'm waiting to see his reads so I can get a better grasp on him.

[Alisae]

Ok time to start Little Busters bye

[Alisae]

I have a feeling this game is going to be a town loss.

With that attitude yeah it's gonna be D:

[Alisae]

btw
have I ever mentioned Kud is an amazing character
because OH MY GOD SHE IS AN AMAZING CHARACTER
AND SHE IS ADORABLE
AND AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH SHES AMAZING

[Alisae]

Komari is also amazing

All of these characters are fucking amazing

[Alisae]

Not to mention I haven't slept yet and should do that soon™

[Alisae]

I thought North's struggling to read the game thing was town

nai tbh

[Alisae]

ur welcome

[Alisae]

I already put 8 hours into this VN

[Alisae]

could you do this?

I already did this :/

[Alisae]

NSG Sheep's reaction and Sobolev Fakehammering is yous not alignment indicative please stop argueing it is ty in advance

[Alisae]

This was my read list from I'm pretty sure page 10.

{Sakura}
{PP, ASP, NM, Maru, Beeboy, Space}
{nsg}

That's my current readlist help the only person who is being decently town is Sakura and after that nasty 1v1 I'm just not sorting Beeboy atm

[Alisae]

funny, i thought all four recent posts came from you, alisae.

lolbeeboy being the best boy you can be

pedit: Ye that was my take on that slot when I tried to explain why I hated it.

[Alisae]

like
I have 6 null reads
I don't know if the problem is me
or if no one wants to fucking be town it blows my mind

(Beeboy is a special case where I re-evaluate and reread him after D1)

[Alisae]

Like
the only read I can reasonably understand on people having on half of the game is people townleaning PP.
That's it.

I don't think Sobolev has done anything that's like that AI really, I don't feel like she added anything NEW to the game.

We are very clearly suffering.

[Alisae]

Yeah its hard to commit when there are litterally 6 slots not being town.

I think your push on me is what a caught wolf looks like
glgl

[Alisae]

Yeah its hard to commit when there are litterally 6 slots not being town.

I think your push on me is what a caught wolf looks like
glgl

maybe if you just repeat that you think i'm scum enough times other people will believe it.

lmafo
welcome to ms.net

[Alisae]

tbh
I can see a world where you make this push as town and am kinda seeing it more and more tbh

[Alisae]

Like with your push on me
it could very well be coming from a wolf who is just flatout desperate.
But it could also come from town and I'm trying to think which one I like more.

[Alisae]

It could really well explain why I'm suffering with this game.

[Alisae]

what are your opinions of the ASP wagon

It's a really lazy wagon

[Alisae]

honestly I rather continue this VN instead of play this game so...

[Alisae]

new avi now should make things better

[Alisae]

oh yeah
I'm supposed to care about this game or something

[Alisae]

When I decide to care I'll reread the game

[Alisae]

Why would I respond to that?
You already had several game days before to engage with me, and you decide to do it now that im in tunnel mode? well though luck then.

BTW we should not no lynch

[Alisae]

Dunno why I quoted that

[Alisae]

the only thing that I remotely even remember is Maru posting thoughts on people (which I still need to read) and nsg omgusing me like newbtown.

[Alisae]

is that really all you have to say on sheep? what about on me? is it really just what you said in 706?

i'm not going to let you get away with trying to push my lynch on a lazy case when pretty much the entire reason that my wagon is on me in the first place is my slot's apathy. for the person who's said that i'm taking the easy way out with my reads and who's pushed my slot for being noncommital, your readslist really doesn't do anything for me.

VOTE: alisae

Like
look at this
this usually comes from town now that I'm thinking about it.

[Alisae]

Well, I still think she isnt.

Ok talk to me why?
I don't see scum writing 782

[Alisae]

that'sa not my point tho
my point is I am just having trouble how scum ends up writing that post.
Having a hard time explaining yourself happens to the best of us tho

[Alisae]

So let me get this straight, you're townreading her for that post, regardless of experience level?

ye

[Alisae]

who are the lazy votes on you, north?

All of them.

[Alisae]

A Simple Plan (1): PenguinPower

Including this one.

[Alisae]

North is flipping town
but deadline so rip sorry.

[Alisae]

who are the lazy votes on you, north?

all of them, including my own.

OH
MY
GAWD
THAT'S WHAT I SAID!!!!!!!!!!!1
!!!!!1!!!!!!!!1
!!!!!!!!!
11!
!!!!!!
1

WE SHOULD BE FRIENDS <3

[Alisae]

My main problem is that Alisae complains about every single wagon, but is doing nothing ever since eir engangement with North.

Yeah I don't care about this game anymore.

[Alisae]

Like
there are plenty of other things I rather do
Like finish the other routes of Little Busters
or continue to design my Little Busters hidden alt game
or continue to write flavour for said game
then play this game atm.
I want flips to work with.

From what I remember people weren't really pushing reads just saying let's wagon something and then doing it.
it bores me and quite frankly I'm demotivated, especially when I can just say "I want this dead" provide a case, and it gets wagoned.
Like there isn't really effort needed to get my arguements heard or push my reads and its not fun.

[Alisae]

I'll read overnight if I remember.
This game was fun but then I got demotivated.

[Alisae]

(Also I may or may not be playing like this to try to not die)

[Alisae]

I wish I could be like that tbh.

I'm never charismatic or convincing enough to push anything.

All i ever do is vote ppl i feel are scum and hope someone sees what i see.

/me hugs
<3

[Alisae]

Yeah yeah whatever maybe I'll get invested in the game when I have a vote

[Alisae]

And then I'll start trying and being town now fuck off

[Alisae]

Also wtf happened to pp

[Alisae]

VC 1.NOT A TWILIGHT

clap

[Alisae]

who doesn't

[Alisae]

VOTE: Alisae
FUCK YOU WHOEVER STOLE MY FUCKING VOTE

[Alisae]

LIKE
my vote is fucking gone for the day
like fuck this shit.

[Alisae]

Beeboy does your role work in MyLo?
If so I would be totally okay with no lynching at some point.
However I owe the game a reread and would like to get that done first.

pedit: I think using steal is the wrong word.
I meant ot say that I don't have a vote today
someone either stole it or took it away

[Alisae]

I'm honestly just extremely annoyed that I don't get to have a vote for fucking 2 days in a row.

[Alisae]

If we don't no lynch and beeboy's role works in MyLo we basicly have to pl him because that role is a problem in MyLo.
I rather no lynch to avoid pls

[Alisae]

Sakura btw
Beeboy is like
confirmed town.

[Alisae]

this may get me nightkilled
but I mean
clearly I haven't read the game enough to care imo

pedit: No
Just leave it alone imo

[Alisae]

Ok good
if it did your role basicly turned MyLo into LyLo.

[Alisae]

Yeah no lynching is super preferable for reasons here please do that when I am ready.

[Alisae]

Because ~information~
I mean
I should be dieing here anyways, so if you want to lynch that's okay.
But if I somehow live throughout the night, and we lynch, we are going to be very sad

[Alisae]

ok I'ma go through isos now I guess

[Alisae]

Okay I kinda don't understand why people want ASP?
Next is Maru

[Alisae]

Questions that I want answered that I bet those who are "TL;DR" won't see, so I'll post out here instead:

northsidegal

: In reference to your role do you get to pick when to act as a backup to a person's role, or are you compulsive and will automatically backup whoever we lynch?

northsidegal

: Why would you receive the nightkill's abilities but not the daykill's instead?

Alisae

: If you haven't already, make a decent scum-case on sheepsaysmeep before NSG replaces in without once alluding to his lurking please.

nevermind you made it in 423.

PenguinPower, Not_Mafia, Sakura, Sobolev

: Why are we lynching low-hanging fruit in ASP, who has been the least active player so far?

Alisea, northsidegal, beeboy

: Since you guys don't have a vote, and I am the hammer-ing vote, what are your opinions of the ASP wagon, and do you want me to hammer it?

Spoiler: northsidegal/sheepsaysmeep

6 I've always hated when people RVS themselves. it's a cop-out of saying "I don't want to play RVS!" while also not having the balls to actually play RVS. It says "I'm going to play a long, and vote so you guys don't hate me, but I don't want to participate in RVS"
73-post]120[/post] NAI
121A new good reason to not vote oneself in RVS lol.
195 NAI
216 This is important later. He says he is reading "this bullshit" rather than doing homework, meaning he is actively reading this game and NOT doing school-related activities, and wants us to convince him he should focus on school rather than this game
219 NAI
222 (I had a whole bunch of analyzing posted on this that would only be relevant if sheep wasn't replaces by NSG. If anyone wants me to post what that analysis was I will, to prove I had thoughts here, but they are pointless to voice as they are person-specific and not slot-specific so I deleted it)
241-420 NAI due to replacement.
443 Asking if he should claim vice just claiming is a slight towntell, because scum would just claim something to try to save their ass vice asking if the correct strategical move to make is to claim. If the slot was still sheep I would care less about these few townpoints, and still have voted him due to his lack of participation, but these few townpoints can be carried forward onto northsidegal
447 claims town universal backup which northside will later confirm. Kind of a strong role in a normal game, might be more NU than strong role in this game though. I wonder if the universal backup is compulsive or upon the slot's choice?
448-474 NAI
476 NSG's holy grail of "oh look I'm confirmed town because of this reaction-test!". No. As scum, when I HONESTLY believed I was lynched, in a similar reaction test before, I have played the part of dying towny until the flip is revealed. This means nothing. Any scum worth their salt would never drop the guise regardless of how legitimate the reaction test is. Any town-reaction to a reaction-test can and probably will be faked. Any scum-reaction to a reaction-test could and probably never will be faked (except by shitty roles like Fool/Jester which on MS are considered bastard and must be disclosed as bastard prior to gamestart). If you reactiontest someone in a non-bastard game, the ONLY reaction that should confirm the person tested is a scum reaction. And even then I'd take it with a grain of salt, as some townies do fuck up.
478-497 NAI
---- NORTHSIDEGAL ENTERS ----
633 NAI, promises a reread of thread which is good.
634 Confirms that predecessor's claim was what she claims, and staves of LaL. NAI
635 - 682 NAI
684 Says that the beeboy/sakura argument means she can't read Alisae? Alisae wasn't really involved in the personal fight. Why can't she read Alisaie? Offers to try to prove her claim, trying to get herself to an innocent child level of confirmed, but there should be no reason for her to care about proving the role claim, outside of proving that the slot isn'y lying about it's role. Which doesn't matter. If you prove the role is a universal backup, nothing is accomplished.
687 Why do you inherit the night kill abilities but not the daykill's?
689 confuses sobolev's quoting of her 684 and saying lol to mean he doesn't understand why he's town because of it, but he's really lol'ing at confirming her town. this kind of obtuseness towards believing she is confirmed town and not even thinking to defend her "confirmed town" because she firmly believes she is would be slightly townyish except I kept reading and got to 696
695NAI
696 696 reminds me that she is trying to prove that she isn't lying about her role earlier, and she says that while confirming her role won't confirm her as town bould would confirm she wasn't lying about her role. Why did she even bring up her "won't confirm me as town" if she truly believes she is already confirmed town? Her earlier post regarding explaining her read on sobolev she takes for granted she is confirmed and doesn't explain how she is confirmed, just explains how sobolev's confirming her confirms him as well. Meaning she doesn't think she needs to explain how she is confirmed town because it's just *so obvious*. And yet now she's saying that if we confirm her role it doesn't confirm she's town, but confirm's she isn't lying. why would she says that if we already should be thinking she is confirmed town? The earlier post about sobolev's "lol" seems like the obtuseness towards what he was really laughing at is faked now.
697 a bit to convoluted so it's intent went over my head and is therefore NAI
699 mostly mechanics talk
705 NAI
708 saying that outing that you are a NU as scum wouldn't be likely so even though she thinks the vote-locking mechanic is a mechanic more likely to be scum-power than town-nerf, counters that with "claiming your role hurts town in first post is very not-scummy" which I disagree with. Claiming you have a role that VISIBLY and CAN BE TRACED TO YOU in your first post is a very common thing to do as scum or town. Because if you don't claim it, and you activate later, it gives massive scummy points, and scum will always emulate townplay, and good townplay with a NU role is to claim it. Good townplay-mechanics do not towny-points make. All scum should react to mechanics as if they are town, to avoid scumpoints.
756 NAI
760 trys to peddle "im town because my slot town-reaction'd a reaction-test!" some more. Asks Alisae to make a case on him without using the word lurk, as alisae said they could. I don't remember seeing this so I'll ask for it too. Good point here NSG.
769 keeps peddling "town reaction to reaction test proves I'm town!" No. the only reaction to a reaction test that is actionable is a scum reaction in non-bastard games. Please quit peddling town-reactions are usable info.
775 NAI
778 keeps trying to peddle the reaction test
782 decent case on Alisae saying that Alisae is a pot calling the kettle black
784 Fluff calling us out for not making content does not help make content. Fluff less please
785-807 NAI


Overall, I'd say NSG is very slightly townleaning but if she mentions the town-reaction to the reaction-test one more time, I'll be onboard on a wagon on her, because I'm sick of hearing it and she isn't *THAT* towny.

Spoiler: not_mafia

5Nearly as bad as sheep's RVS. Refusing to vote anyone screams that you're trying to avoid being seen to be targeting someone. It's very self-protective.
154 That's all you have after 6 and a half pages? You're reading the thread and not just replying to something on the newest page because the mechanics test you conducted was in response to a question from a page earlier, so you are reading the thread and not just looking at the most recent page. Why no content yet?
340 fluff and what the fuck is this 7 pages later with no content?
406 16 full pages of posts and not a single content except to try to piss someone else off. what. the. fuck.
409-470fluff and you're definitely actively lurking. you're leaning scum here. 18 and a half pages in and not a single bit of content.
516

opportunistic vote. People said my intent to hammer with plenty of notice given was scummy. How did they not call this out as scummy? This was purely opportunistic "I see a wagon, hopping it!" You have not said a SINGLE word about sheep all game, or to sheep, and you vote him here.

also, 20 pages in, no content. In 537 I learn this was a reaction test.
537 Why reaction test a slot that was already reaction tested? In the exact same manor of reaction testing?
629 25 pages into game, only content so far is shitty reaction test with 0 value. this is till morefluff. Tried to imply that m responding to 565 was scum. 565 said "reply to this stating you are town if you are town". I didn't state I was town, I showed I spotted the reaction test as a reaction test, making my reaction null and void, any reaction made by someone who know they are being tested can't be used. Nice try at implying I fell for the reactiontest though.
668 coming after the above post implies you scumread me, but haven't said anything about it all game. What is this about mr fluffy?
674 fluff, 27th page of fluff from you.
768 Once again, jumping on the wagon of a player you have yet to say a word of all game. Who is also low-hanging fruit with only 8 posts. Page 31 and you haven't made a single read (other than to point adjacent to me and imply without saying anything and committing yourself), done anything with any content, and fluffpost like a king bunny.

NM is either scum, or a shitty player.

Spoiler: A Simple Plan

220 A decent catch-up esque post similar to my playstyle, and a decent analysis of the game so far. slight townypoints
384 Continues to do good at providing his stream-of-consciousness style thought on the game as he reads it through from his last post. I like this, and he's doing a real good playthrough. He shows he cares, and is actually trying in this game. More townypoints.
390 NAI
435 explains his mechanic test and slips his role by mistake when it is not required, which is a more likely thing to happen as busy town than as scum making a mistake or a ploy to appear busy town. Also easily confirmable, which again makes it less likely to come from scum. And explains your lack of real activity and content D1. Being voteless in a vote-oriented game makes it difficult to be involved I'm sure.
628 I miss your long-winded good catch up posts, but your explanation of not enough time to do as you would normally is NAI
736 continues to be good content and lists your reads which are well explained so you're continuing to do good towny play.
805 reiterates for the third time today that he is voteless. NAI
811 Expects to be the lynch today, and has already claimed, gives us a "here's my last take before I hang" read and actionable content for tomorrow. very towny.


Overall there is not a single scummy thing from this slot. When content is promised, it is delivered or explained hy it isn't delivered. All posts contained significant amounts of effort to make content in a game where EVERYONE IS SAYING THERE IS NO CONTENT. He is doing something about it. You're pretty towny bro.

Spoiler: Reads From Completed ISO's

Confirmed town
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Towny - ASP
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- northsidegal
Null
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- Not_Mafia
Scummy
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Confirmed Scum

UNVOTE:

Wil lcontinue these later, have to go get ready for work @ dominos. Will have these 100% finished before sunday night, if not much sooner. I sincerely dislike an ASP lynch, and don't plan to place my vote there unless the three voteless members all agree to the lynch as well. If I'm the only one against an ASP lynch, I won't hold the town hostage with my vote due to freezing mechanics.

Alright
this is like
pretty much always
a scumpost btw

[Alisae]

{Beeboy}
{Sakura, NM, North}
{ACP}
{Maru}

Reading Space now.

[Alisae]

if sheep acted super scummy in response to the hammer that would've confirmed him as scum

his failure to do so doesn't make him town, just not incompetent scum

This can be a scumpost.

--

so basically today we can lynch sakura, nsg, alisae, beeboy, or asp and we're gonna need a large consensus to lynch any of them as it is. i'd prefer to lynch nsg or asp and am not lynching sakura. i could get on board with alisae or beeboy if someone gave a convincing case but this seems improbable now. everyone who has an active vote please state your opinions on members of this group so we can get something done today.

Have you even stated why you wanted asp to die?
Like
I'm not seeing it in your iso
so I don't really get it?

--

ppl are apathetic because a ton of ppl can't vote and those who can vote don't have to worry about getting lynched

get on the asp wagon

Why tho?

--

calling out the asp wagon as "lazy" as well as changing eir mind on north without trying to find a feasible scum lynch for today. like even out of the inactives most of them are still content with you or north for a lynch but ali doesn't seem like e wants either but isn't trying to find an alternative.

Okay
if my memory is good enough
all I remember people going is
"lynch ACP"
like that's it.
Why?
Idunno
because LOL?

So yeah
your wagon was lazy as shit.
I don't like what you're doing here, because you're trying to make it seem like I'm scummy for not buying into the lynch you're trying to strongman.

[Alisae]

IE the team is probably Space and Maru gg.
If you want to lynch someone today, lynch one of those two.

[Alisae]

Yo someone talk to me about these hot takes I be dishing out

[Alisae]

VOTE: Space
Sakura Beeboy sheep me even tho I don't have a vote, we're killing scum today or no lynching take your pick

[Alisae]

I am okay with this

[Alisae]

Beeboy is being replaced.

Goddammit you didn't have to do this
*Sigh*

[Alisae]

The worst part is we don't even know if his role works while the slot is empty -_-

[Alisae]

ASP give me a Space vote while you're at it please tyvm

[Alisae]

Like as long as we're not stupid and lynch without a replacement or space talking to me, we can atleast puts some votes on the wagon.

[Alisae]

alisae's case

I'm not calling that a case I'm calling that a read and an explanation.

[Alisae]

Vc

I think even GiF wants the game to end tbh.

[Alisae]

@Hey GiF how's that Beeboy replacement coming along

[Alisae]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

pedit: I think SS spewed ASP town and people want lynch ASP for no reason, and that's usually indicative of ASP being town like 99% of the time.

[Alisae]

Like
give me an actual reason why you want to lynch ASP
I'll wait

because
no one
ever
wants to let
poor little alisae
in on the loop
on why we lynch ASP.



Also gamestate reads are meh what is stronger is individual reads.

[Alisae]

I mean like
sometimes I look at the gamestate and see what makes sense.
But I try to form reads on individual people and then look at that.

I actually think {Maru, SS} is way more likely then {Maru, ACP} just because what seems to be happening is I don't really recall Space really going after Maru, just distancing while trying to go after other priorities.
it could be very possible that the team of {SS, ACP} are trying to devide the lines of who is scum with who by just having Maru take stances that are in favor of a {ACP, Maru} team if that makes sense.

[Alisae]

Like
coming from soneone who buses a lot, if you think two people are scum for just harddefending each other, they're most likely town.
Sure scum do it, but I don't think Maru's read on ACP makes me think they're buddies, I feel like its a lot more as scum just defending a townie, and laying down the associatives needed to get Maru lynched.

Either way Space dies today most likely unless she can give me a reasonable case on why ACP is scum, because that's something I need atm.

[Alisae]

Ok
this is a point that North brought up when she wanted to push me
who didn't have reads that aligned with consensus or were easy?

pedit: If I was going to explain it I would have done so already
But let's just say
~information~

[Alisae]

Like
coming to think of that reasoning to push a read is extremely bullshit considering most of the game
everyone had a read that was consensus or easy.
It took me a bit to realize it
but its fucking true imo.




Also shadethrowing is one of the most overused buzzwords that has exactly 0 meaning.