Open 621 (C9++): The ZAR SHOW S1 Holiday Special - OVER!

[Kmd4390]

Acryon, I said that was town points for shadow because I know two things. One, I'm looking for scum. Two, shadow is thinking along the same lines as me. If I put two and two together, there is a good chance shadow is looking for scum which would make her likely town.

Lowell, I disagree with you but I understand what you are trying to say. Basically what roflcopter said, but I needed that answer from you to get there.

Lol. Yeah, well, you can't do much scumhunting yet in this stage. I have a few town-leans: shaddowz and Lowell, but you can't seriously expect to really be able to hunt scum now. 

I strongly disagree, but time will tell if it's a playstyle difference. For what it's worth, your casual carefree response has me doubting myself already.

Tex, nah my reasons were the same as Shadows.

Yos, I find it interesting that Shadow didn't make your "I like something" list after your explanation for it. Your answer that shadow is null seems to imply you aren't aware that shadow has done a lot, yet people are accusing him of try-hard. I'm curious if I'm misreading you cpmpletely or if there is something causing this.

Anen, just because a tell is old doesn't mean it's outdated. I don't think Yos was being as serious as I was though.

I admit I only skimmed after Anen's post. Will read it fully when I have time. That will be tomorrow.

[acryon]

I am using information that I have gotten from reading your ISO, and what I gather from this information, you are trying to look actively scum hunting, when most of it is just filled with random votes, and trying to look busy.

And that final comment, that is an obvious statement that anybody can make, it's whether you will actually back this up is another matter. And it's one of those comments that comes across as saying keep me alive, I will show you what I can do.

I'd like to think that too, but is this your first RVS? Did you truly expect everyone to be gung-ho scumhunting from page 3?

[Kop]

I am using information that I have gotten from reading your ISO, and what I gather from this information, you are trying to look actively scum hunting, when most of it is just filled with random votes, and trying to look busy.

And that final comment, that is an obvious statement that anybody can make, it's whether you will actually back this up is another matter. And it's one of those comments that comes across as saying keep me alive, I will show you what I can do.

I'd like to think that too, but is this your first RVS? Did you truly expect everyone to be gung-ho scumhunting from page 3?

This is not my first RVS. I wouldn't class myself as a veteran in mafia games but I have been playing probably over a year and in a lot of games. I've seen scum caught once or twice from random votes and I've seen a few games where we have caught scum on day one.

I am not fully expecting to see people going gung-ho but I'd like to see scum hunting to an extent and using the available time we have to at least draw some sort of connections.

[AlwaysInnocent]

I am using information that I have gotten from reading your ISO, and what I gather from this information, you are trying to look actively scum hunting, when most of it is just filled with random votes, and trying to look busy.

And that final comment, that is an obvious statement that anybody can make, it's whether you will actually back this up is another matter. And it's one of those comments that comes across as saying keep me alive, I will show you what I can do.

I'd like to think that too, but is this your first RVS? Did you truly expect everyone to be gung-ho scumhunting from page 3?

This is not my first RVS. I wouldn't class myself as a veteran in mafia games but I have been playing probably over a year and in a lot of games. I've seen scum caught once or twice from random votes and I've seen a few games where we have caught scum on day one.

That is rare (genuinely catching scum by a mistake during RVS).

And getting scum lynched is possible, but chance alone states that the probability of guessing correctly is m/(P-1), where m is the number of scum, and P is the number of players. In a balanced game this is typically around ~30%.

I am not fully expecting to see people going gung-ho but I'd like to see scum hunting to an extent and using the available time we have to at least draw some sort of connections.

You will rarely discover connections on early-D1. However, it is possible to discover anti-connections, i.e., interactions suggesting that two players are unlikely to be scum together.

[Lowell]

fos:
AI
Yos
lucky

AI because I think lurker-hunting and meta-discussing RVS is a safe way out. He comes off worse in the exchange with Kop.
Yos, for similar reasons, because listing all the most active players and giving them "town reads" is a too good way to win friends.
Lucky for being a lurker and not really playing. And yes, I realize the irony in that reasoning, but I get a vibe from him that he's trying to be the casual guy in the corner who drops in every so often to say inoffensive things.

[AlwaysInnocent]

fos:
AI
Yos
lucky

AI because I think

lurker-hunting

and meta-discussing RVS is a safe way out. He comes off worse in the exchange with Kop.
Yos, for similar reasons, because listing all the most active players and giving them "town reads" is a too good way to win friends.
Lucky for being a

lurker

and not really playing. And yes, I realize the irony in that reasoning, but I get a vibe from him that he's trying to be the casual guy in the corner who drops in every so often to say inoffensive things.

You accuse me of lurker-hunting (as being a bad thing), and then you FoS a lurker yourself... Hmmm. Interesting.

[AlwaysInnocent]

Also, nothing wrong with applying/discussing theory. It is not a "safe way out" but an addition to my ad hoc play.

[Aneninen]

K dis time I try to post in the correct thread

[Aneninen]

VOTE: Texcat
I am here.

Was that RVS?

I like you Anen. Regarding me being a wagon-hopper, I tend to switch up my style based on what the town seems to need, especially D1. Take that with a grain of salt of course.

Ya I believe that you your playstyle every now and then upswitch but still you needn't like me. I could be anyone and this early you can't be sure about anything. Are you just for gaining allies?

I am using information that I have gotten from reading your ISO, and what I gather from this information, you are trying to look actively scum hunting, when most of it is just filled with random votes, and trying to look busy.

Aha, na ja, das ist ein you've got a point, Kop.

t was obvious that I was poking a bit of fun. I am partly doing this to see how other people react. I think I am allowed to do this this early in the game. It is part of the transition from RVS to scumhunting.

It didn't sound as if it a kind of fun was.
Reaction testing, eh? Aloowed, eh? Aren't you a bit too survivalistique? Also, why need you decide when we from RVS to scumhunting turn must?

Who me? We are not allowed to discuss those games yet, since none of them have finished yet. But I will tell you this: I am trying different strategies. It also depends on the context.

But for that depends on the context part, that was something which sounded so off as a hydrastic replica in the circle of all those fairies whom I've been dancing for ages, you know.

[Aneninen]

Hint: townreads =/= scumreads.

Wat?

I wouldn't call it real scumhunting in this stage. Of course you are trying to maximize the probability that you lynch scum, but unless scum seriously screw up, they won't give themselves away so easily so early.

Not a method of scumhunting, I suppose you simply tried to say something without saying anything.

Interesting to see that you enter the game so aggressively.

That as agressive?
Heb je nooit met TSO eg. met?

It wasn't purely an accusation, it was a statement that any information can be used, whether it be a random vote to engaging in questions. It's not a case of waiting till later when his scum hunting may improve as more information comes available. It's an obvious fact that more information will be available later which will obviously help scum hunting, but right now, we are scum hunting regardless of how much information, is available.

Yes, day one, ends up on a town lynch, majority of the time, there is the odd few occasions where we actually lynch scum, I agree, but I'd like to think we're scum hunting.

Yeah, I suppose that must be true but since I'm besoffen and I need to get my glasses repaired I'm simply unable diesen zu lesen, okay? Remind me tomorrow, I mean the realtime not the gametime, thanks

[AlwaysInnocent]

Why are you mixing Dutch and English?

[Aneninen]

Talking about scumhunting, Kop. You didn't even seem to be doing anything until I voted for you, calling you to come out and play. It didn't take you long to respond, though. Were you lurking?

Telling that he'd been lurking right after he posted a lot that's simply pigeon poop. Tomorrow you'll get one from me.
By the way, there's a place in Amsterdam called Duifjessteeg, which means "pigeons' road" and it's slimmer dan 2 metres or so. Have you seen dat?

ote part of that RVS post...

Shadowez.
Is this a kind of inside joke?[/quote]
Not that I'm aware of.

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What do you think of it dan?

Anen, just because a tell is old doesn't mean it's outdated. I don't think Yos was being as serious as I was though.

So, was dat een grapje, Yos?

This is not my first RVS. I wouldn't class myself as a veteran in mafia games but I have been playing probably over a year and in a lot of games. I've seen scum caught once or twice from random votes and I've seen a few games where we have caught scum on day one.

Dat kan.

That is rare (genuinely catching scum by a mistake during RVS).

No, we shouldn't ignore Day1. Everything happening now will be crucial on later Dayz.

cky for being a lurker and not really playing. And yes, I realize the irony in that reasoning, but I get a vibe from him that he's trying to be the casual guy in the corner who drops in every so often to say inoffensive things.

Wait-oh aren't there others not sitting to post?

You accuse me of lurker-hunting (as being a bad thing), and then you FoS a lurker yourself... Hmmm. Interesting.

NBecause you're scum

[AlwaysInnocent]

Are you using Google Translate or something?

[Aneninen]

Why are you mixing Dutch and English?

At least it's not German again, okay?

And Happy Yule, Everyone!

[AlwaysInnocent]

That as agressive?
Heb je nooit met TSO eg. met?

Nope.

It didn't sound as if it a kind of fun was.
Reaction testing, eh? Aloowed, eh? Aren't you a bit too survivalistique?

I think it's fine.

Also, why need you decide when we from RVS to scumhunting turn must?

I'm not sure what you mean.

But for that depends on the context part, that was something which sounded so off as a hydrastic replica in the circle of all those fairies whom I've been dancing for ages, you know.

"Sounded as." Very subjective. You're probably reading too much into it.

By the way, there's a place in Amsterdam called Duifjessteeg, which means "pigeons' road" and it's slimmer dan 2 metres or so. Have you seen dat?

I don't think so. Why should it matter?

No, we shouldn't ignore Day1. Everything happening now will be crucial on later Dayz.

Yes.

Later.

NBecause you're scum

[Aneninen]

Are you Dutch, ?

Je taal is echt mooi

[texcat]

What thread were you posting in?

[AlwaysInnocent]

Yes. I am Dutch.

The language is OK. Language is just a tool after all.

[Aneninen]

Scummies Nomination but someine told me how to delete it so I hope it's not standing there.

But I'm going to sleep


I shouldn't post at all now.

NOt the first case snf I 'm collecting warnings as others those pokemons

[shaddowez]

What do you think of it dan?

It was RVS and insignificant...didn't really pay much attention to it.

You will rarely discover connections on early-D1. However, it is possible to discover anti-connections, i.e., interactions suggesting that two players are unlikely to be scum together.

How do you think you can determine authentic disassociation from distancing?

I am not fully expecting to see people going gung-ho but I'd like to see scum hunting to an extent and using the available time we have to at least draw some sort of connections.

Have you drawn any connections yourself yet?

[Lucky2u]

Lucky for being a lurker and not really playing. And yes, I realize the irony in that reasoning, but I get a vibe from him that he's trying to be the casual guy in the corner who drops in every so often to say inoffensive things.

This is fairly accurate. I'm taking a backseat on purpose while the holiday finishes. Sorry, I know that's shitty, but I am following along.

[Yosarian2]

People i don't currently want to lynch becsuse they've done something i like at some point
Lowell
roflcopter
Albert B. Rampage
AlwaysInnocent
kmd4390

List subject to change whenever i feel like it

In general, at this point in the game, i tend to townread people who are active and doing intresting things. None of those are especally strong reads, but they all look like they're actually scumhunting in their own way.

I can understand how you could see most of that list as doing some sort of scumhunting, but what is it that ABR has done that interests you?

ABR is basically playing in his normal meta. Loud, obnoxious, picking fights. It's basically how I expect town-ABR to act. It's not really an alignment tell, he could do that as either alignment, but I haven't seen any red flags from him yet.

[Yosarian2]

VOTE: lucky4you

Its a pet peeve when people mess with my name, Yosemite.

Ok.

Meanwhile, you just earned another 10 scum points for posting about how I spelled your name wrong while still not actually interacting with the game at all.

[AlwaysInnocent]

How do you think you can determine authentic disassociation from distancing?

I try to determine it by weighing the estimated effort and the perceived risk-taking (from the perspective of scum if both were scum). For example, if people are joking with each other during RVS, like BBT with Albert B., then I will just see it as a null-tell. However, if a player seriously pushes for the lynch of another player, and this would have taken a huge risk if both were scum, then I am more inclined to believe that they are not scum together, i.e., that at least one of them is innocent.

[Yosarian2]

Yos, for similar reasons, because listing all the most active players and giving them "town reads" is a too good way to win friends.

Actually, I did not list all the most active players, just the ones who did something that looked townish to me. There are active players that weren't on that list.