Mini 1828 : Akame Ga Kill Mafia (Game Over ?!)

[Akame and Kurome]

Vote Count 1.4

pisskop (2): randomidget, wgeurts
wgeurts (2): Liquid Nitrogen, pisskop
Niceuniceu (1): Nosferatu
Liquid Nitrogen (1): Vedith
Nosferatu (1): Niceuniceu
Soumil (1): NavyCherub
AlpacaAlpaca (1): RyanK

Not Voting (4): DiamondSentinel, AlpacaAlpaca, Kraska77, Soumil

With 13 players alive it takes 7 votes to lynch.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2016-09-12 15:40:00)

Note: As Soumil failed to confirm his role pm after first 24 hours of game start I'm going to poke him. If he fails to pick his role before (expired on 2016-08-31 20:23:00) I will start searching for a replacement. if he confirm his role before this time this won't be considered as a prod.

[RyanK]

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I won't be on the Piss wagon at this time so you'll have to look elsewhere.

Why is it that not being on Piss' wagon mean that Vedith has to look elsewhere?

[LicketyQuickety]

At this point since its still RVS, I'm not sure I like Wgeurts soft defence of us. It gives me bad feels.

I have a theory on this that its because Wgeurts is scum and he is kinda sorta WNing us so we can take the pressure off of him. Wgeurts has every reason to suspect us for coming up with a shit reason for why we voted him. He's kinda forced to defending us also because we are not sheeping him on Piss. Basically he needs an out to reasons to suspect him. Hard to explain exactly.

Hello double standard.

I think its easier to read Piss when he is not in the spotlight.

Spoiler:

Because I think Piss is the kind of person who would make more mistakes if they didn't think people were watching them. Call it a personality read.

[LicketyQuickety]

This makes no sense to me at all. How is what I did/said defensive? Like to be defensive you have to feel like pressure is put on you and I am not feeling like that at all. Explain how it is defensive

It's being defensive because you react to everything that gets lobbed against you regardless of context - how serious it reads, whether or not what's being talked about actually matters, if it could be read as negative then you choose to react to it seriously. Being defensive is about how you act, not how you feel.

This is a discredit and nothing more. What was defensive about my reply to Vedith? Vedith came in a made a baseless claim and I just tossed it right back at him. How is that defensive?

Because the claim didn't mean anything, at least not until Vedith gave any sort of reasoning whatsoever. But you reacted right away as if it was a full-on accusation.

And even if it was, how does that show my alignment? If it doesn't show my alignment, why make the comment at all?

That alone obviously doesn't "show" your alignment; all together, though, your very early overenthusastic responses make me think you are town, just not a very effective member of the town (because town has less to lose by speaking up early and without defensible reason). If you are scum, you are even more overenthusiastic than I give you credit for, but it just seems too early in the game for scum to act this way.

Also, he says what I said was "inappropriate".. Why? What was inappropriate about it?

I didn't say it was "inappropriate," I said it was "inappropriately defensive," which I've already covered, but again: the topics you have reacted to are not worth getting worked up about, but you did anyway.

Lastly what is stated is a glaring contradiction. If what I do creates conversation, then it is helpful.

I disagree on a basic level. Getting us to start talking by arguing about something the rules specifically say don't matter doesn't push us toward lynching scum, it only has us going in circles and wasting effort.

FWIW, most of my game is made up of getting people to talk about stuff they normally wouldn't when I am Town. That is why you see me with a 60% win rate as Town even though I get lynched a lot.

~LQ

This literally means nothing and I don't know why anyone would post something like this thinking it would help their case.

how is that bad town rather than scummy af?

I touched on it above, but scum only has reason to lose out by acting so unreasonably so early, whereas a bad town player would find it worth it to attack anyone that finds them suspicious for just about any reason because they

know

they are town so the people attacking them

must

be scum.

Going to try and make this short so we are not talking about this kind of stuff that can be wrapped up to be play style any longer than it needs to be.

Consider it a playstyle. that doesn't mean I am "bad Town". I don't see why because I responded to vedith with an "LOL, no U" means that I am being defensive. the "LOL" part is key here.
You are the only one making a point out of me doing setup spec. Why?
There are no "Cases" being made as far as I am concerned. What I am seeing is someone who doesn't have a clue how to read me saying I am "bad Town".

[Liquid Nitrogen]

This makes no sense to me at all. How is what I did/said defensive? Like to be defensive you have to feel like pressure is put on you and I am not feeling like that at all. Explain how it is defensive

It's being defensive because you react to everything that gets lobbed against you regardless of context - how serious it reads, whether or not what's being talked about actually matters, if it could be read as negative then you choose to react to it seriously. Being defensive is about how you act, not how you feel.

This is a discredit and nothing more. What was defensive about my reply to Vedith? Vedith came in a made a baseless claim and I just tossed it right back at him. How is that defensive?

Because the claim didn't mean anything, at least not until Vedith gave any sort of reasoning whatsoever. But you reacted right away as if it was a full-on accusation.

And even if it was, how does that show my alignment? If it doesn't show my alignment, why make the comment at all?

That alone obviously doesn't "show" your alignment; all together, though, your very early overenthusastic responses make me think you are town, just not a very effective member of the town (because town has less to lose by speaking up early and without defensible reason). If you are scum, you are even more overenthusiastic than I give you credit for, but it just seems too early in the game for scum to act this way.

Also, he says what I said was "inappropriate".. Why? What was inappropriate about it?

I didn't say it was "inappropriate," I said it was "inappropriately defensive," which I've already covered, but again: the topics you have reacted to are not worth getting worked up about, but you did anyway.

Lastly what is stated is a glaring contradiction. If what I do creates conversation, then it is helpful.

I disagree on a basic level. Getting us to start talking by arguing about something the rules specifically say don't matter doesn't push us toward lynching scum, it only has us going in circles and wasting effort.

FWIW, most of my game is made up of getting people to talk about stuff they normally wouldn't when I am Town. That is why you see me with a 60% win rate as Town even though I get lynched a lot.

~LQ

This literally means nothing and I don't know why anyone would post something like this thinking it would help their case.

how is that bad town rather than scummy af?

I touched on it above, but scum only has reason to lose out by acting so unreasonably so early, whereas a bad town player would find it worth it to attack anyone that finds them suspicious for just about any reason because they

know

they are town so the people attacking them

must

be scum.

Going to try and make this short so we are not talking about this kind of stuff that can be wrapped up to be play style any longer than it needs to be.

Consider it a playstyle. that doesn't mean I am "bad Town". I don't see why because I responded to vedith with an "LOL, no U" means that I am being defensive. the "LOL" part is key here.
You are the only one making a point out of me doing setup spec. Why?
There are no "Cases" being made as far as I am concerned. What I am seeing is someone who doesn't have a clue how to read me saying I am "bad Town".

Me.

[Liquid Nitrogen]

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I won't be on the Piss wagon at this time so you'll have to look elsewhere.

Why is it that not being on Piss' wagon mean that Vedith has to look elsewhere?

I wasn't talking to Vedith there, I was talking to the person who started on Piss.

[wgeurts]

At this point since its still RVS, I'm not sure I like Wgeurts soft defence of us. It gives me bad feels. I have a theory on this that its because Wgeurts is scum and he is kinda sorta WNing us so we can take the pressure off of him. Wgeurts has every reason to suspect us for coming up with a shit reason for why we voted him. He's kinda forced to defending us also because we are not sheeping him on Piss. Basically he needs an out to reasons to suspect him. Hard to explain exactly.

What the heck are you on about? I no world do I currently think pisskop is scum, he's literally a joke rvs vote that honestly has no worth.

I also elaborately explained why I thought that post was null, if people go after others for stuff the best thing every town can do is pitch in and provide their viewpoint along with explanations for them. Vedith disliked that post of yours, I disagreed, as I could see some logic to it. It wasn't exactly a town post on the other hand, anyone could have made it: hence why it's null.

Now this, this is just utter nonsense you're making now. This is scum. I mentioned further back that I'd expect scum to spin some fancy tale trying to legitimise themselves, this is exactly that. I don't understand why you are going after me so strongly just now, I guess I over estimated your scum game. Having such a strong scum read with the content we have and justifying it with what is essentially crumpets isn't something that would naturally come from town with my current posts.

VOTE: LN

[wgeurts]

Mmm. Vedith's fine, I actually thought it was a little awkward myself when I read it. I think paranoia of me is true and even a little justified, hehe. There's something fun in being feared

Agree with keeping the vote here for now.

How is it justified? Also how is it more likely to come from town?
Although I agree with you on that read this post is just full of dismissal.

[wgeurts]

Oh, um, we should probably claim negative utility, so I'll start.


I'm bulletproof universal miller vigilante. [joking to liven this up a bit]

So what are you actually if this a joke, claim miller now and we can hang you happily.

[wgeurts]

Pisskop, why did you change your vote three times?

He does this a lot as either alignment, if we have a cop you have your target.

[wgeurts]

At this point since its still RVS, I'm not sure I like Wgeurts soft defence of us. It gives me bad feels. I have a theory on this that its because Wgeurts is scum and he is kinda sorta WNing us so we can take the pressure off of him. Wgeurts has every reason to suspect us for coming up with a shit reason for why we voted him. He's kinda forced to defending us also because we are not sheeping him on Piss. Basically he needs an out to reasons to suspect him. Hard to explain exactly.

I keep reading Liquid Nitrogen as bad town (or

really

bad scum) but this post makes me even more sure of it right now. The post that got this started was lame, because we already were told flavor won't matter for finding out who is town or not ("2. Flavor wise the game is not Night Raid vs Jaegers"). Pointing out that the post was lame should have been the end of the conversation but instead Liquid Nitrogen just gets really defensive. In fact, a quick read of just these few pages shows that Nitrogen has been posting a lot but not really saying much, switching between flavor fluff and inappropriately defensive responses. It's getting conversation going but it's not exactly helpful.

This makes no sense to me at all. How is what I did/said defensive? Like to be defensive you have to feel like pressure is put on you and I am not feeling like that at all. Explain how it is defensive.

This post is mostly a discredit to me and not really scum hunting at all. He wraps it up as "bad Town" and goes on to say the content I provided was "lame" and then says I am being defensive, which I am not at all. This is a discredit and nothing more. What was defensive about my reply to Vedith? Vedith came in a made a baseless claim and I just tossed it right back at him. How is that defensive? And even if it was, how does that show my alignment? If it doesn't show my alignment, why make the comment at all? Also, he says what I said was "inappropriate".. Why? What was inappropriate about it? Lastly what is stated is a glaring contradiction. If what I do creates conversation, then it is helpful. JFYI, this is not me being defensive, this is me attacking a post that doesn't make sense to me.

FoS Navey

I'm hoping to see a response here from Navy as his accusations are just, and this post is another example of a dismissing overly paranoid defense. If I don't find a response I kindly request that navy explains himself.

[wgeurts]

FWIW, most of my game is made up of getting people to talk about stuff they normally wouldn't when I am Town. That is why you see me with a 60% win rate as Town even though I get lynched a lot.

~LQ

This is a silly meta-defense, you're not doing any of that right now so it's irrelevant to the game. Also its not like the 60% win-rate is directly influenced by you as lynched people can't further games.

[wgeurts]

At this point since its still RVS, I'm not sure I like Wgeurts soft defence of us. It gives me bad feels.

I have a theory on this that its because Wgeurts is scum and he is kinda sorta WNing us so we can take the pressure off of him. Wgeurts has every reason to suspect us for coming up with a shit reason for why we voted him. He's kinda forced to defending us also because we are not sheeping him on Piss. Basically he needs an out to reasons to suspect him. Hard to explain exactly.

Hello double standard.

I think its easier to read Piss when he is not in the spotlight.

If LN flips scum, lynch pisskop.

[wgeurts]

At this point since its still RVS, I'm not sure I like Wgeurts soft defence of us. It gives me bad feels.

I have a theory on this that its because Wgeurts is scum and he is kinda sorta WNing us so we can take the pressure off of him. Wgeurts has every reason to suspect us for coming up with a shit reason for why we voted him. He's kinda forced to defending us also because we are not sheeping him on Piss. Basically he needs an out to reasons to suspect him. Hard to explain exactly.

Hello double standard.

I think its easier to read Piss when he is not in the spotlight.

Spoiler:

Because I think Piss is the kind of person who would make more mistakes if they didn't think people were watching them. Call it a personality read.

You really, do not know pisskops play. I wouldnt say I know it all too well, however cutting him some slack as scum and he'll thrive.

[wgeurts]

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I won't be on the Piss wagon at this time so you'll have to look elsewhere.

Why is it that not being on Piss' wagon mean that Vedith has to look elsewhere?

I wasn't talking to Vedith there, I was talking to the person who started on Piss.

What? With their RVS votes worth literally nothing?

[wgeurts]

{wgeurts}
{Navy}
{Vedith, Ryank}
{rest}
{LN}

[Liquid Nitrogen]

At this point since its still RVS, I'm not sure I like Wgeurts soft defence of us. It gives me bad feels. I have a theory on this that its because Wgeurts is scum and he is kinda sorta WNing us so we can take the pressure off of him. Wgeurts has every reason to suspect us for coming up with a shit reason for why we voted him. He's kinda forced to defending us also because we are not sheeping him on Piss. Basically he needs an out to reasons to suspect him. Hard to explain exactly.

What the heck are you on about? I no world do I currently think pisskop is scum, he's literally a joke rvs vote that honestly has no worth.

I also elaborately explained why I thought that post was null, if people go after others for stuff the best thing every town can do is pitch in and provide their viewpoint along with explanations for them. Vedith disliked that post of yours, I disagreed, as I could see some logic to it. It wasn't exactly a town post on the other hand, anyone could have made it: hence why it's null.

Now this, this is just utter nonsense you're making now. This is scum. I mentioned further back that I'd expect scum to spin some fancy tale trying to legitimise themselves, this is exactly that. I don't understand why you are going after me so strongly just now, I guess I over estimated your scum game. Having such a strong scum read with the content we have and justifying it with what is essentially crumpets isn't something that would naturally come from town with my current posts.

VOTE: LN

I'm not really going against you "so strongly". At this point all I am talking about regarding reading you are hypotheticals. You react to that with an OMGUS. I haven't once said to you "this is Scum" like you have just done to me. I give things a lot of goofy looks, I admit that, but it doesn't mean I am Scum. And I don't know where this "over estimated" my scum game is coming from. I am not a good Scum player. You even played a game with me where I was Scum. I don't even have that strong of a read on you. I made a stance to push the game forward and that's really all I did and then you come back with "This is Scum". That's why I said Navey doesn't know how to read me because of things like this that are NAI for me. Go through my wiki and tell me I don't do this as Town, go ahead. And don't come back with "We should lynch him anyways because he is a detriment to Town" because that is BS.

[Liquid Nitrogen]

At this point since its still RVS, I'm not sure I like Wgeurts soft defence of us. It gives me bad feels.

I have a theory on this that its because Wgeurts is scum and he is kinda sorta WNing us so we can take the pressure off of him. Wgeurts has every reason to suspect us for coming up with a shit reason for why we voted him. He's kinda forced to defending us also because we are not sheeping him on Piss. Basically he needs an out to reasons to suspect him. Hard to explain exactly.

Hello double standard.

I think its easier to read Piss when he is not in the spotlight.

If LN flips scum, lynch pisskop.

LOL, this is kinda funny honestly.

[Vedith]

I agree with LN, if they flip scum, then Pisskop is probably town.
LQ won't buddy scum hard, but he would buddy town hard.

[Liquid Nitrogen]

{wgeurts}
{Navy}
{Vedith, Ryank}
{rest}
{LN}

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't see much that was AI for Navey. Unless you are basing this reads list on the fact that I am Scum, which would be pre-flip and very bad.

[wgeurts]

Except you most certainly are, you for some reason are doing all you can to justify your partners RVS vote. Even if that requires warping the facts and spinning tales which look good but don't hold up under scrutiny. You call what you read me hypothetical, however then you wouldn't come across so confident in your read. You would also show at lot more consideration of me as town. Your posts show none of this.

Also he exact phrase "this is scum" was definitely implied in your posts where you say I'm scum, then go on to justify that. "This is why he is scum" is what you show. Also I know your game, and I don't give a damn about meta. It's way to easy to coast off "but I always do this". So what? You can also do that as scum. Scum play is scummy and unless you can show me how it can come from town I'll read it as such.

[wgeurts]

I agree with LN, if they flip scum, then Pisskop is probably town.
LQ won't buddy scum hard, but he would buddy town hard.

What, pisskop? Who happily also happened to jump on their wagon?

If he flips scum that shows he wasn't playing well, buddying isn't out of the reach of things.

[wgeurts]

VOTE: wgeurts

Hey vedith (for like the fifth time now?), alpaca, wgeurts, kraska. Vaguely remember nos and pk too. Neither me or LQ have flavour experience here and pretty much joined for the list.

Won't bother signing much but I think it'll be pretty easy telling us apart~

I like the Wgeurts vote my partner laid down because Wgeurts could be fishing for info on who knows flavor as Scum.

~LQ

At this point since its still RVS, I'm not sure I like Wgeurts soft defence of us. It gives me bad feels. I have a theory on this that its because Wgeurts is scum and he is kinda sorta WNing us so we can take the pressure off of him. Wgeurts has every reason to suspect us for coming up with a shit reason for why we voted him. He's kinda forced to defending us also because we are not sheeping him on Piss. Basically he needs an out to reasons to suspect him. Hard to explain exactly.

You strongly imply I'm scum with these posts, then you also vote me and call others to sheep you.

[wgeurts]

{wgeurts}
{Navy}
{Vedith, Ryank}
{rest}
{LN}

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't see much that was AI for Navey. Unless you are basing this reads list on the fact that I am Scum, which would be pre-flip and very bad.

Correct, pre-flips are one of the things that I get annoyed at the most. However you'll be happy to see there is actually content behind that read.

Navy so far is showing that he is considering people's alignments and reflecting on both of them, drawing conclusions based off what's most likely. There's not all too much content however one person with the most is you, and he showed strong thought process in his posts. It's not hard town read, we need more content for that, however stuff like this is a good indication so far.

[Akame and Kurome]