Death Curse

[MURDERCAT]

I've already acknowledged that I've lost as either alignment

[MURDERCAT]

can you explain this please

In that game I felt you didn't find scum. I don't think you found scum in this game. In that game you earned town reads based on tone. In this game you earned town reads based on tone. I don't think the associations in that game pointed towards you being town. I don't think the associations in this game point towards you being town. In that game I was the only one to SR you. In this game I was the only one to SR you. Those are the parallels I was noticing.

[MURDERCAT]

To sum up, I think that, as scum, you are capable of making people think that you are town using your words instead of your play and I see that same thing happening here.

[MURDERCAT]

That may be true.
Anyway it is up to fidget.
If she shoots me I will look at all of the evidence and try to decide which of the three of you to shoot. I will probably shoot you and we will probably lose because of it.

[MURDERCAT]

This is why I didn't want to be in the F4, Noraa will never TR me

[MURDERCAT]

It should have been Gloria instead

[MURDERCAT]

I didn't want Flea to shoot Gloria, I wanted either me or you to get shot yesterday, I was clear on that

[MURDERCAT]

It's up to Fidget, if she thinks Pooky is scum then she should shoot there. If she thinks scum is in Bell/Noraa then she should probably shoot me and we can work through which one to shoot together

[MURDERCAT]

MC our duel at the beginning of 2170 was my favorite part of the game. I don’t get the same townie vibes off you here as I did then :3

Me too

You didn't react the same way to my push on your here, that's why

[MURDERCAT]

I believe that I should be fidget's shot
No one will trust me in F3, I am willing to take the loss into my own hands.

[MURDERCAT]

I really didn't want to though

[MURDERCAT]

I need as much time to think as possible though so fidget should hurt tag me and let the time run out

[MURDERCAT]

If everyone agrees that I am never part of the final 2 then I would prefer to actively lose by missing the last shot than lose because I got scrolled in the final 3

[MURDERCAT]

Yeah I mean what else?

[MURDERCAT]

What will help you Fidget? What are you thinking?
I will probably do some VCA.

[MURDERCAT]

Given a 1/4 and a 1/3 shot we are actually at 50/50 odds right now

[MURDERCAT]

They always feel worse than they actually are, hopefully it will work out

[MURDERCAT]

I kinda have stuff to do right now.. my landlord's garage is burning down outside, and I got lots of classwork. I'll be back in a while lol.

Uhh good luck with that, hope it's ok

[MURDERCAT]

If I get the scroll I would have to at least consider it, I wouldn't feel good about myself otherwise

[MURDERCAT]

But if you are town we will lose Pooky

[MURDERCAT]

I think Bell as either alignment wants Pooky scrolled here

[MURDERCAT]

300 pages later

[MURDERCAT]

I don't think it's against win con if you don't expect to ever be in final 2
It might be that our best chance is to scroll Bell but we look terrible for suggesting it
If we are both town then whichever one of us is scrolled has to figure that out

[MURDERCAT]

Noraa? Or are you saying you would just insta scroll me. Which is fine by the way, but then why not have fidget scroll me?

[MURDERCAT]

I think it is against win con then.
If I am scum, you win if fidget scrolls me.
If I am town and you get the scroll as town, we lose.
If I am town and I get the scroll, there is a chance I don't shoot you and we can still win.

If you are convinced I am scum I would rather you fight to get me scrolled.

[MURDERCAT]

I am not as willing to accept that as you seem to be

[MURDERCAT]

That's ok, I'd rather look silly and have a chance at winning still

[MURDERCAT]

You should hurt tag by the way fidget

[MURDERCAT]

FMPOV it has to be Pooky but I also know I am wrong a lot

If you want I can do all the analysis I would do if I were to get scrolled now

But it's important to keep in mind that as town or scum I would do anything to avoid getting scrolled in the F3 so you probably shouldn't put a lot of stock in it.

[MURDERCAT]

That's ok, I'd rather look silly and have a chance at winning still

Your chances of winning with that strategy are 0.

Maybe you are right and I should accept that if you or Noraa are scum you beat me

[MURDERCAT]

I'm not convinced you're that good tho.

You are probably right

And yeah if I get scrolled I am looking at everyone including Noraa

[MURDERCAT]

If you were to somehow realize that Pooky is town at some point today, I would expect you to advocate for them instead.

I don't think, given the strong TRs I have had on Bell and Noraa all game, that I could ever actually do this.

[MURDERCAT]

I think this was always going to be the f4

[MURDERCAT]

at this point the only way for murdercatto to win is to convince Fidget to hit either Noraa or Bell and then they hit me with the last scroll.

If I get hit, Murdercat dies like 2 minutes afterwards.

This might be true but it's not what I would do

[MURDERCAT]

ok how would you try to win them scum-cat

I would hope you are bluffing about shooting me

[MURDERCAT]

I believe you

[MURDERCAT]

[MURDERCAT]

110: Lied, control expectations as scum or just....Eh? Why does town murder say this at all?

It's the truth, I wanted to play more casually
1000 posts later...

114: Does murder prefer rolling town to scum?

Depends, I generally find town more satisfying but I have been itching for a scum game.

[MURDERCAT]

FWIW, my approach (assuming anyone is actually interested in what I have to say at the moment) would be to look for things that would

never

be said or done by each person for a particular alignment. Can you find something that I would have

never

said or done as town? Can you find something that I would have

never

said or done as scum? That feels more effective at this point.

I can do this if you want me to town case myself or scum case someone else, but someone has to actually ask me for it because I don't want to appear like I am trying to manipulate the conversation.
I do think this game is coming down to whether or not Pooky is scum so that's probably what I would want to focus on.

[MURDERCAT]

Scum or town cases? Or general commentary?

[MURDERCAT]

Mmk I will

[MURDERCAT]

Timer: (expired on 2020-11-19 12:55:30)

[MURDERCAT]

Spoiler: towncasing myself

You’re basically dead to me at this point shelly.
This is your scum game.

...

asking for reads = scummy
paranoia = scummy

this is omgus by the way, i've been SR on bell since forever

Kinda agree with bell tbh

I'll just as soon burn you to the ground for doing this as I will let that happen.

yes noraa dies today im like, not opposed to that at all but i feel we're wasting too much energy on outed scum

Ehh shelly is pinging me hard with some of these posts

My Shelly read is going to be a large part of the evidence I'm town. It started early, and I never wavered on "maybe bell maybe shelly." I was always team Bell.

Pooky/Shelly/Toogeloo/Vaxkiller/Lapsa

This is the scumteam, no questions please

To be blunt, there's no way I ever give up 2 of my scum team like this. No one would ever BoP me, so there's no reason to. I also would never be this firm with the divide between my SRs and TRs, I would want to keep space in case it was more convenient to move elsewhere. There are multiple examples of me claiming that generally null read players like fidget were town because they aren't in this list. E.g. here

I literally can't overstate how confident I am in my solve and that flea is therefore town

VOTE: toogoloo

Admittedly not my best read, I don't think I am so eager to help lead a wagon on a townie at deadline as scum.

My personal feelings of who I think the scum team are:
Hopkirk
Theta Alpine
Gloria
Vaxkiller
UNOwen

Nice, hit vax

There's no reason for me to help direct a shot that was already aimed at 5 townies. Also, something something egg on face

If you had handed me the scroll I was shooting Lapsa FWIW

This was 100% true, but not worth much.

This is a placeholder? Are we reaction testing? Shelly is smart enough to fake this reaction

Not giving Shelly any room to work with her fake reaction to the hurt tag.

Ok look, LLD was town for day 1 because trying to sort her preflips would be a huge pain. We really needed to hit scum to see if she would just die but because we didn't now we actually have to see if she is scum. I think there is some evidence she is scum:

- She never reevaluated the Noraa read but was still really willing to go for Toog despite her tunnel on Noraa. Yes the plan was to go for Noraa in 3rd slot, but she then shifted gears towards Hopkirk? I think town LLD should in a rage about not hitting Noraa there if the tunnel is real. I also feel like the let's be sure to hit scum 3rd slot is anti-town, but that's just my opinion.
- LLD's anger about Noraa seemed fake to me. There were overreactions there that, IMO, seemed off. I know LLD is an emotional player, but I don't think you get that angry about caught scum.
- The Hopkirk read was bad. I had hopkirk pegged as town and LLD's reasoning about the poetry was super off.
- I haven't seen any deep reads from LLD. It's a lot of surface level stuff and I think we are deep enough into this game to get some real content.

Here's the biggest reason I think we should "180" as I think Shelly put it. On day 1, in my mind there was an early D1 town block of {me, LLD, Pooky, MUSH}. These four players were generally accepted to be not in the elim pool. Given the knowledge that I am town, the odds that the others players are also randomly town is 0.376 (14/19*13/18*12/17). The odds of randomly getting a T>T>T on D1 given that I am not eliminated and I know I am town, is 0.472 (14/19*14/18*14/17). Given that we ended up with a T>T>T the new conditional probability that {LLD, Pooky, MUSH} are all town (again, from my POV knowing that I am town) is 0.135. That is a pretty serious drop that, FMPOV, means we should be reevaluating players we considered to be town.

The numbers would be different for all of us, but the general idea holds. The fact that we didn't hit scum yesterday means we need to broaden our lim pool for today as there is a higher likelihood that our initial reads were wrong.

Why would I ever do this if LLD is TRing me? Too spooky 4 scum

I think there is a good shot fredrick is town and we are being snowed by strong scum players

VOTE: Fred

I'm willing to go with you and bell today because I took my shot D1 and missed.

"Bussing my teammate and making sure to get no town cred for it"

These posts are really interesting, it seems like there are sides forming around Shelly/Uno

One thing to note is that scum will probably hard defend partners today because they will really want to avoid S>T>S

If Shelly is scum we should come back here

This post (in reference to Titus, I had a whole list of her posts) is me trying to kill another one of my partners if I'm scum.

this is some very selective iso reading MC

Yes, I'm aware. I'm accumulating evidence that Shelly is scum. ie if Shelly is scum, these are the things that provide evidence of that

Remember this interaction where I literally quoted most of Shelly's iso and called her scum for basically all the posts?

I think I've seen enough, Shelly's reads are constantly against mine. Consider my vote there

The only reason I didn't vote shelly was because I wanted to talk more, if I was bussing I would have made sure to be on the wagon like DFG with Titus still in the game.

You're bugging me out this game Titus, you have a scum flip why does it feel like you aren't really searching

More of me trying to kill all my partners.

Votecount 1.20

(FINAL)

[11]

Toogeloo

:

Hopkirk

,

MURDERCAT

, Titus,

Toogeloo

,

Theta Alpine

,

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Lady Lambdadelta

,

Noraa

, UNOwen, shellyc,

Bell

HAMMER

[2] Tayl0r Swift:

PookyTheMagicalBear,

Bell

[2]

Bell

:

Tayl0r Swift,

Vaxkiller

[2] shellyc:

Fidget, Flea The Magician

[1]

Noraa

:

Adorable

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear

Gloria Cleary

[1] Adorable:

Lapsa

[1] Not Voting:

Zdenek

I find it hard to believe that any of those greens are wrong and I also doubt that wagon was all town.

Remember this interaction where I kept trying to say there was probably scum on Toog?

I didn't like how Titus tested the waters with UNO before shifting to Shelly if Shelly does come up scum

More setting up Titus after getting Shelly

I have a pretty solid town read on taylor which has also led me to question Pooky for the same reason.

Tayl0r is also a possible miselim I would have never TR'd this hard

And a HURT tag isn't a vote.

DGB replaced Lapsa, so DGB can be scum.

I am watching this as well

Setting up my final partner too if I'm scum.

Titus has been kind of floating in a way that makes me suspicious, I think there is a lot to be learned about the associations with Fred but it doesn't seem as if she has dug into it the way I'd expect her to. Of course, she did replace into this game and has had real life stuff going on, but still all I can go off is what she has posted and I'm not that impressed by it at the moment. I similarly don't like Titus's UNO vote.

Given my gut read that shelly is scum, I'd say gut says titus is more likely scum than town at the moment

More trying to turn the shelly yeet into a S>T>S

I'd like to enter for the record

Fred/Shelly/Goofball/Flea/Titus

Perhaps Pooky is in there instead? Mostly anyone who voted UNO

Pedit

{MURDERCAT, Bell, Noraa} - the town block, not worth discussing. 100% cleared from my POV
{UNOwen} - potential applicant to the town block, I'm going to double check for myself but from memory also clear
{Tayl0r Swift, Gloria Cleary} - town by play, looks like they are clearly solving to me
{Adorable} - town by association with Fred, but I should reread to look for what Shelly said about this slot

Leaving:

PookyTheMagicalBear
Titus
Flea The Magician
Dripping Goofball
Fidget

dgb is scum pretty sure

Pooky, I'm thinking we hit Titus scum today, vote me tomorrow, I scroll you and you can take out goofball. Leave town with 1 scum left to find and we get to hang out in the dead thread, thoughts?

I mean come on, this is never scum

This was usefully mostly to reorient to the events of the game but I would appreciate if you all read it. I am a lot townier that I thought, my reads were actually pretty good this game.

[MURDERCAT]

Cases on the rest of you coming some time, maybe tonight maybe tomorrow

[MURDERCAT]

Do I actually have to town case my myself.

I don't need it

[MURDERCAT]

Still planning on doing my cases, but reading my iso gave me my confidence back. All game I have sussed Pooky but I let myself get shook by everyone else TRing him. No more, as of right now I'm willing to 1 for 1 there, choose whichever one of us you want first.

[MURDERCAT]

Also Pooky I hope you will do me the honor of dayvigging me if you get scrolled and the game is ending

[MURDERCAT]

Good post fidget

[MURDERCAT]

If you look through my iso I was consistently on the right side of every interaction. Even Fred I never entertained a real counter wagon, I gave my opinion and voted with town.

[MURDERCAT]

And if you think I'm somehow playing a super deep wolf game, no problem I come for free with Pooky.

Pedit you should read 2170
Pooky and I have something special

[MURDERCAT]

I have a barrier between me and reading Bell. Every time I think about suspecting him, I can feel him silently calling me a moron.

I think if I don't hear from people for a while I start to get antsy, the same thing happened with LLD. But once bell started paying again I felt much more comfortable. Now that you have looked through Pooky and have mentioned the main points I will look through Bell.

[MURDERCAT]

Bell is town I am 99.9% sure

[MURDERCAT]

If it makes you feel better we are already in elo

I'm not sure why you think I gave up all my partners as scum

[MURDERCAT]

doesn't matter who is scum here cuz they definitely gave up their partners. Thats an argument that everyone here can make imo.

Can you show me where Pooky pushed for scum to be eliminated before it was inevitable?

[MURDERCAT]

Pooky pls

[MURDERCAT]

Can you show me where Pooky pushed for scum to be eliminated before it was inevitable?

mmmmmm I think pooky's special in that the whole time shelly was hard pocketing him :/

I mean, if ur town, I'll believe pooky is scum. Considering ur both unflipped, ur both sus as hell....

I'm serious Noraa, you say Pooky has that argument. There's 4 other scum, show me where he pushed any of them before they were inevitably going to be flipped.

[MURDERCAT]

Spoiler: Noraa iso dive

Ignoring basically all of D1, because I think it is probably +town Noraa but it's basically all AtE junk

1668 is interesting. I wouldn't expect the turn around on Adorable if Noraa is scum. Bell town read is a +, not siding with Shelly. Fidget SR is meh, I don't think it's that bad and Flea TR is probably + as well. Lapsa scum lean is +. Shelly SR is +. Taylor town is ++. A lot of nulls is probably a - but the reads that are there point to town Noraa.

In 1963 the uno TR is probably more of a town tell than the Toog scum lean is a scum tell.

4247 is also interesting, as is the rest of the interaction with Fred. I don't think it makes sense for scum to give up fred to try to get Noraa to be more town read. Noraa also calls out Shelly more in this post. I don't love the Flea vote after claiming Fred is scum, but it's not the worst as it could legitimately be a pressure vote.

4773 is a - for slowing down the wagon

Looking for a harder push on Shelly than 5559. 5726 is good.

6290 is good, I read this as a real push onto Goofball.

6575 is probably good. Same with 6764

Yeah that's good enough for me, even without the emotional stuff. I don't think scum Noraa feels comfortable selling out her team and being trusted to win the game.

[MURDERCAT]

Spoiler: Bell iso dive

11 and 21 already look really good for Bell.

I don't think Shelly decides to setup an SvS as early as 77 when scum really needs to try to stay alive early in this setup.

Ditto for 372, had a chance to move and didn't. Kept it up with 376 and 378.

The Fidget town read in 678 is a +

682 and 688 don't feel like distancing.

1712 is ++

The Taylor push around 2879 is not great, but not the worst.

3164 is a good list, but where did Shelly go?

3496 isn't great either.

3596 this isn't great.

3880 is +

4139 is +

Giving a pass to 4188 because of 4190

The stuff around 4550 is ++

5253 is +

5529 is ++ for going after shelly and not taylor

5900 and 5932 are ++

Some of the DGB stuff isn't as strong but this is good enough for me too.

[MURDERCAT]

@Fidget, I am willing to lose if Pooky is town as I feel good about Bell/Noraa

[MURDERCAT]

<3

[MURDERCAT]

Spoiler: D1

Votecount 1.1

[4] PookyTheMagicalBear:

Isis

,

Fidget

,

Zdenek

,

Hopkirk

[1]

Tayl0r Swift

:

Shellyc

[1]

Shellyc

:

VaultDweller

[1]

Bell

:

Lapsa

[13] Not Voting:

PookyTheMagicalBear,

Tayl0r Swift

,

Gloria Cleary

,

Toogeloo

,

Theta Alpine

,

Bell

, MURDERCAT,

UNOwen

,

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Flea The Magician

,

Adorable

,

Lady Lambdadelta

, Noraa

Votecount 1.2

[4] PookyTheMagicalBear:

Isis

,

Fidget

,

Zdenek

,

Toogeloo

[4] Noraa:

UNOwen

,

Lady Lambdadelta

,

Hopkirk

, MURDERCAT

[2]

Tayl0r Swift

:

Shellyc

,

Tayl0r Swift

[2]

Shellyc

:

VaultDweller

,

Bell

[2]

Bell

:

Lapsa

,

Flea The Magician

[1]

Adorable

:

Noraa

[5] Not Voting:

PookyTheMagicalBear,

Gloria Cleary

,

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Adorable

,

Theta Alpine

Votecount 1.3

[8] Noraa:

UNOwen

,

Lady Lambdadelta

,

Hopkirk

, MURDERCAT, PookyTheMagicalBear,

Adorable

,

Flea The Magician

,

Toogeloo

[2]

Tayl0r Swift

:

Shellyc

,

Tayl0r Swift

[2]

Shellyc

:

VaultDweller

,

Bell

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear:

Isis

[1]

Bell

:

Lapsa

[1]

Adorable

:

Noraa

[5] Not Voting:

Gloria Cleary

,

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Theta Alpine

,

Fidget

,

Zdenek

Votecount 1.4

[9] Noraa:

UNOwen

,

Lady Lambdadelta

,

Hopkirk

, MURDERCAT, PookyTheMagicalBear,

Adorable

,

Flea The Magician

,

Toogeloo

,

Shellyc

[1]

Tayl0r Swift

:

Tayl0r Swift

[2]

Shellyc

:

VaultDweller

,

Bell

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear:

Isis

[1]

Bell

:

Lapsa

[1]

Adorable

:

Noraa

[5] Not Voting:

Gloria Cleary

,

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Theta Alpine

,

Fidget

,

Zdenek

Votecount 1.5

[5] Noraa:

UNOwen

,

Hopkirk

,

Adorable

,

Toogeloo

, MURDERCAT

[3]

Hopkirk

:

Lady Lambdadelta

, PookyTheMagicalBear,

Isis

[2]

Shellyc

:

VaultDweller

,

Bell

[2]

Bell

:

Lapsa

,

Shellyc

[2]

Tayl0r Swift

:

Tayl0r Swift

,

Theta Alpine

[1]

Adorable

:

Noraa

[5] Not Voting:

Gloria Cleary

,

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Fidget

,

Zdenek

,

Flea The Magician

Votecount 1.6

[5] Noraa:

UNOwen

,

Hopkirk

,

Adorable

,

Toogeloo

, MURDERCAT

[3]

Hopkirk

:

Lady Lambdadelta

, PookyTheMagicalBear,

Vaxkiller

[2]

Shellyc

:

VaultDweller

,

Bell

[2]

Bell

:

Lapsa

,

Shellyc

[1]

Tayl0r Swift

:

Theta Alpine

[1]

Adorable

:

Noraa

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear

Tayl0r Swift

[5] Not Voting:

Gloria Cleary

,

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Fidget

,

Zdenek

,

Flea The Magician

Votecount 1.7

[5] Noraa:

UNOwen

,

Hopkirk

,

Adorable

,

Toogeloo

, MURDERCAT

[3]

Adorable

:

Noraa,

Theta Alpine

,

Vaxkiller

[2]

Hopkirk

:

Lady Lambdadelta

, PookyTheMagicalBear

[2]

Shellyc

:

VaultDweller

,

Bell

[2]

Bell

:

Lapsa

,

Shellyc

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear

Tayl0r Swift

[5] Not Voting:

Gloria Cleary

,

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Fidget

,

Zdenek

,

Flea The Magician

Votecount 1.8

[7] Noraa:

UNOwen

,

Hopkirk

,

Adorable

,

Toogeloo

, MURDERCAT,

Lapsa

,

Titus

[3]

Adorable

:

Noraa,

Theta Alpine

,

Vaxkiller

[1]

Hopkirk

:

Lady Lambdadelta

[1]

Shellyc

:

Bell

[1]

Bell

:

Shellyc

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear

Tayl0r Swift

[1]

Tayl0r Swift

PookyTheMagicalBear

[5] Not Voting:

Gloria Cleary

,

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Fidget

,

Zdenek

,

Flea The Magician

Votecount 1.9

[7] Noraa:

UNOwen

,

Hopkirk

,

Adorable

,

Toogeloo

, MURDERCAT,

Lapsa

,

Titus

[4]

Adorable

:

Noraa,

Theta Alpine

,

Vaxkiller

,

Fidget

[1]

Hopkirk

:

Lady Lambdadelta

[1]

Shellyc

:

Bell

[1]

Bell

:

Shellyc

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear

Tayl0r Swift

[1]

Tayl0r Swift

PookyTheMagicalBear

[4] Not Voting:

Gloria Cleary

,

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Zdenek

,

Flea The Magician

Votecount 1.10

[6] Noraa:

UNOwen

,

Hopkirk

,

Adorable

,

Toogeloo

, MURDERCAT,

Lapsa

[4]

Adorable

:

Noraa,

Theta Alpine

,

Vaxkiller

,

Fidget

[2] PookyTheMagicalBear

Tayl0r Swift

,

Titus

[1]

Hopkirk

:

Lady Lambdadelta

[1]

Shellyc

:

Bell

[1]

Bell

:

Shellyc

[1]

Tayl0r Swift

PookyTheMagicalBear

[4] Not Voting:

Gloria Cleary

,

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Zdenek

,

Flea The Magician

Votecount 1.11

[5] Noraa:

UNOwen

,

Hopkirk

,

Adorable

,

Toogeloo

, MURDERCAT,

[3]

Adorable

:

Noraa,

Theta Alpine

,

Vaxkiller

[2] PookyTheMagicalBear

Tayl0r Swift

,

Titus

[2]

Shellyc

:

Bell

,

Fidget

[1]

Hopkirk

:

Lady Lambdadelta

[1]

Bell

:

Shellyc

[1]

Tayl0r Swift

:

PookyTheMagicalBear

[1]

Lapsa

:

Lapsa

[4] Not Voting:

Gloria Cleary

,

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Zdenek

,

Flea The Magician

Votecount 1.12

[5] Noraa:

UNOwen

,

Hopkirk

,

Adorable

, MURDERCAT,

Toogeloo

[2]

Adorable

:

Theta Alpine

,

Vaxkiller

[2] PookyTheMagicalBear

Tayl0r Swift

,

Titus

[2]

Shellyc

:

Bell

,

Fidget

[1]

Hopkirk

:

Lady Lambdadelta

[1]

Bell

:

Shellyc

[1]

Tayl0r Swift

:

PookyTheMagicalBear

[1]

Lapsa

:

Lapsa

[5] Not Voting:

Gloria Cleary

,

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Zdenek

,

Flea The Magician

, Noraa

Votecount 1.13

[5] Noraa:

UNOwen

,

Hopkirk

,

Adorable

, MURDERCAT,

Toogeloo

[3] PookyTheMagicalBear

Tayl0r Swift

,

Titus

,

Gloria Cleary

[2]

Adorable

:

Theta Alpine

,

Vaxkiller

[2]

Shellyc

:

Bell

,

Fidget

[1]

Hopkirk

:

Lady Lambdadelta

[1]

Bell

:

Shellyc

[1]

Tayl0r Swift

:

PookyTheMagicalBear

[1]

Lapsa

:

Lapsa

[5] Not Voting:

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Zdenek

,

Flea The Magician

, Noraa

Votecount 1.14

[5] Noraa:

UNOwen

,

Hopkirk

,

Adorable

, MURDERCAT,

Toogeloo

[3] PookyTheMagicalBear

Tayl0r Swift

,

Titus

,

Gloria Cleary

[2]

Adorable

:

Theta Alpine

,

Vaxkiller

[2]

Shellyc

:

Bell

,

Fidget

[1]

Hopkirk

:

Lady Lambdadelta

[1]

Bell

:

Shellyc

[1]

Tayl0r Swift

:

PookyTheMagicalBear

[1]

Lapsa

:

Lapsa

[4] Not Voting:

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Zdenek

,

Flea The Magician

, Noraa

Votecount 1.15

[4] Noraa:

UNOwen

,

Hopkirk

,

Adorable

,

Toogeloo

[4] PookyTheMagicalBear

Tayl0r Swift

,

Titus

,

Gloria Cleary

, MURDERCAT

[2]

Adorable

:

Theta Alpine

,

Vaxkiller

[2]

Shellyc

:

Bell

,

Fidget

[1]

Hopkirk

:

Lady Lambdadelta

[1]

Bell

:

Shellyc

[1]

Tayl0r Swift

:

PookyTheMagicalBear

[1]

Lapsa

:

Lapsa

[4] Not Voting:

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Zdenek

,

Flea The Magician

, Noraa

Votecount 1.16

[6]

Toogeloo

:

Hopkirk

,

Shellyc

, MURDERCAT,

Titus

,

Toogeloo

,

Theta Alpine

[2]

Bell

:

Tayl0r Swift

,

Vaxkiller

[2] Noraa:

UNOwen

,

Adorable

[2]

Tayl0r Swift

:

PookyTheMagicalBear,

Bell

[2]

Shellyc

:

Fidget

,

Flea The Magician

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear

Gloria Cleary

[1]

Adorable

:

Lapsa

[1]

Hopkirk

:

Lady Lambdadelta

[3] Not Voting:

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Zdenek

, Noraa

Votecount 1.17

[6]

Toogeloo

:

Hopkirk

,

Shellyc

, MURDERCAT,

Titus

,

Toogeloo

,

Theta Alpine

[2]

Bell

:

Tayl0r Swift

,

Vaxkiller

[2] Noraa:

UNOwen

,

Adorable

[2]

Tayl0r Swift

:

PookyTheMagicalBear,

Bell

[2]

Shellyc

:

Fidget

,

Flea The Magician

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear

Gloria Cleary

[1]

Adorable

:

Lapsa

[1]

Hopkirk

:

Lady Lambdadelta

[3] Not Voting:

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Zdenek

, Noraa

Votecount 1.18

[9]

Toogeloo

:

Hopkirk

,

Shellyc

, MURDERCAT,

Titus

,

Toogeloo

,

Theta Alpine

,

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Lady Lambdadelta

, Noraa

[2]

Bell

:

Tayl0r Swift

,

Vaxkiller

[2]

Tayl0r Swift

:

PookyTheMagicalBear,

Bell

[2]

Shellyc

:

Fidget

,

Flea The Magician

[1] Noraa:

Adorable

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear

Gloria Cleary

[1]

Adorable

:

Lapsa

[1]

Lapsa

:

UNOwen

[1] Not Voting:

Zdenek

Votecount 1.19

[8]

Toogeloo

:

Hopkirk

, MURDERCAT,

Titus

,

Toogeloo

,

Theta Alpine

,

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Lady Lambdadelta

, Noraa

[3]

Tayl0r Swift

:

PookyTheMagicalBear,

Bell

,

Shellyc

[2]

Bell

:

Tayl0r Swift

,

Vaxkiller

[2]

Shellyc

:

Fidget

,

Flea The Magician

[1] Noraa:

Adorable

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear

Gloria Cleary

[1]

Adorable

:

Lapsa

[1]

Lapsa

:

UNOwen

[1] Not Voting:

Zdenek

Votecount 1.20

(FINAL)

[11]

Toogeloo

:

Hopkirk

, MURDERCAT,

Titus

,

Toogeloo

,

Theta Alpine

,

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Lady Lambdadelta

, Noraa,

UNOwen

,

Shellyc

,

Bell

HAMMER

[2]

Tayl0r Swift

:

PookyTheMagicalBear,

Bell

[2]

Bell

:

Tayl0r Swift

,

Vaxkiller

[2]

Shellyc

:

Fidget

,

Flea The Magician

[1] Noraa:

Adorable

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear

Gloria Cleary

[1]

Adorable

:

Lapsa

[1] Not Voting:

Zdenek

Spoiler: D2

Votecount 2.1

[5]

Fredrick A Campbell

:

Bell,

MUSHSHAGANA

, PookyTheMagicalBear,

Shellyc

,

Flea The Magician

[2] Noraa:

Titus

,

Fredrick A Campbell

[1]

UNOwen

:

Tayl0r Swift

[1]

Adorable

:

Theta Alpine

[1]

Flea The Magician

:

Noraa

[7] Not Voting:

Gloria Cleary

, MURDERCAT,

UNOwen

,

Adorable

,

Lady Lambdadelta

,

Lapsa

,

Fidget

Votecount 2.2

[6]

Fredrick A Campbell

:

Bell,

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Flea The Magician

, PookyTheMagicalBear,

Shellyc

,

Gloria Cleary

[2] Noraa:

Titus

,

Adorable

[1]

Fidget

:

Tayl0r Swift

[1]

Adorable

:

Theta Alpine

[1]

Shellyc

:

Fidget

[1]

Tayl0r Swift

:

Fredrick A Campbell

,

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear:

Noraa

[4] Not Voting:

MURDERCAT,

UNOwen

,

Lady Lambdadelta

,

Lapsa

Votecount 2.3

[6]

Fredrick A Campbell

:

Bell,

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Flea The Magician

, PookyTheMagicalBear,

Shellyc

,

UNOwen

[2] Noraa:

Titus

,

Adorable

[1]

Fidget

:

Tayl0r Swift

[1]

Adorable

:

Theta Alpine

[1]

Shellyc

:

Fidget

[1]

Tayl0r Swift

:

Fredrick A Campbell

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear:

Noraa

[4] Not Voting:

MURDERCAT,

Lady Lambdadelta

,

Lapsa

,

Gloria Cleary

Votecount 2.4

[5]

Fredrick A Campbell

:

Bell,

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Flea The Magician

, PookyTheMagicalBear,

UNOwen

[2] Noraa:

Titus

,

Adorable

[2]

Tayl0r Swift

:

Fredrick A Campbell

,

Shellyc

[1]

Fidget

:

Tayl0r Swift

[1]

Adorable

:

Theta Alpine

[1]

Shellyc

:

Fidget

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear:

Noraa

[4] Not Voting:

MURDERCAT,

Lady Lambdadelta

,

Lapsa

,

Gloria Cleary

Votecount 2.5

(FINAL)

[9]

Fredrick A Campbell

:

Bell,

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Flea The Magician

, PookyTheMagicalBear,

UNOwen

, MURDERCAT,

Titus

,

Shellyc

,

Fidget

HAMMER

[1] Noraa:

Adorable

[1]

Tayl0r Swift

:

Fredrick A Campbell

[1]

Fidget

:

Tayl0r Swift

[1]

Adorable

:

Theta Alpine

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear:

Noraa

[3] Not Voting:

Lady Lambdadelta

,

DrippingGoofball

,

Gloria Cleary

[MURDERCAT]

okay but for real i'm canadian and pooky is def. a person strong enough to live long and hide as scum

[MURDERCAT]

I think Bell has explicitly said that's not true of him and I don't think Noraa thinks that's true of herself based on what she said in the early game. I may be arrogant enough to think it's true for me

[MURDERCAT]

Not for the townies

[MURDERCAT]

Sure but if there is a 0% chance that Bell is capable of deep wolfing this hard and a 0% chance that Noraa is capable of deep wolfing this hard they therefore can't be the deepwolf.
Not that I even think that is a good argument, but the LLD quote is in direct contradiction with your claim that you wouldn't have been able to deep wolf to this point and that you "never" deep wolf.

[MURDERCAT]

I believe in you Fidget! Maybe you see something in Bell or Noraa that I don't see or maybe you feel good about Pooky, either way I trust you.
Noraa and Pooky both immediately shoot me as town so I think you can trust that I will be flipped if you miss unless you are thinking of hitting Bell.
I do think it's Pooky.

[MURDERCAT]

Noraa you frustrate me sometimes. This is just like 2170 all over again

[MURDERCAT]

good luck team

[MURDERCAT]

Maybe Pooky is already doing this, but I hope he waits for Hectic. The game deserves the dramatic ending.

[MURDERCAT]

Wow catching up

I really thought it was over

[MURDERCAT]

murder, did you expect pooky to have this read?

I expected Pooky to be scum lol

[MURDERCAT]

I actually had decent reads this game, but I couldn't find town Pooky so I still deserve to lose

Pooky no hate if you miss I expected to be instascrolled

[MURDERCAT]

The question is, were we (me you and LLD) wrong on Noraa early or was Bell v Shelly a planned SvS?

[MURDERCAT]

I trust you to take the shot Pooky and you deserve all the glory if you are right, but I can give my thoughts

[MURDERCAT]

My main thought is that whoever you pick loses the game, regardless of their alignment so I wouldn't expect a big difference between town and scum reaction here.

[MURDERCAT]

Do we think that Bell's Shelly and Fred reads were too good to be true? That's my main question.

Honestly if Noraa can fake her paranoia like this I will be impressed.

Bell has certainly done more to advance town's wincon. Uno was nervous about Noraa still. I think the LLD pass is still telling.

Many many thoughts

[MURDERCAT]

Lol but Noraa you would say the same thing if Pooky was doing this to me

[MURDERCAT]

Have I been blind to it all along

[MURDERCAT]

If this game is going to go on for more than the next 15 minutes I am going to iso dive all the scum

[MURDERCAT]

Spoiler: wtf is happening

Bell, I feel like I should be town reading you, after pages 7,8. Could you say something that will make be not be concerned by you?

I think Swift is probably town, and I think that Noraa-Swift scum buddies would be shocking.

My top three scum reads are Noraa, Owen and Bell.

Zdenek: I genuinely don’t know what you want me to say from that post. It just looks like you’re fence sitting.

Not fencesitting. I think you're failing to make me think your town since there are red letters in your roll pm.

VOTE: Noraa

Placeholder for the entire Fred push on Noraa

He’s read the game but his focus is on one person, whilst refraining from looking more widely.
His request for attention and then a follow up vote is very vanilla scum play: “here’s my justification for voting you, you ignored me!”

Actually, I have only read some (not all) of the more recent post other than the first 100 posts of this game.

Aight, were you scum Fred?

No.

My understanding is that scum get one day vig you can’t shoot a scroll holder.
We get three flips at once.
That occur over a 7 day voting phase.
Then 2 baton passes for an additional 6 days of content.
3 flips repeat.
No scum NK?

obvious IIoA

Bell's towngame consists of quite a fair bit of IIoA tho so this is probably slightly town!AI if anything

pedit: Shelly liked this vote

I’m not sure if we should just dogpile on Noraa now or just have a gentle beings agreement to give them the scroll later. Though I think the latter could be a problem in getting situated with good reads and atmosphere.

no this is fence-sitting

I love the bell-noraa push

VOTE: noraa

I know scum!noraa, this is exactly like them. self awareness, overdefensiveness instead of reads, cautiousness instead of stubborness

VOTE: bell

Placeholder for all of the Shelly v Bell stuff

Alright, I read the rules and the VCs.

My question is... why is the Noraa wagon so static without a counterwagon?

Oh ok.

VOTE: Noraa

Ok here's the situation.

Do we give the scroll to Noraa and go for an S-T-?

Or do we give the scroll to Pooky and get a LS-T-? (hopefully Noraa)

Or do we pick a third person?

We need 11 votes in two days. The time for sitting around is over. I've got my stance in.

I don't know yo, Titus seems weird on Noraa if Noraa is scum but I'm not getting much here so I'm calling it.

[MURDERCAT]

Very interesting that there is exactly, I repeat EXACTLY five SRs. This may be a bad way to judge but generally I find that only careful scum will have exactly the number of scum SRs.
I'm not stupid and I've been quite present in the thread. I know very well that pooky is kinda playful here. It's different tho and if you would care to meta dive, you would understand why. Plus if you read my entire paragraph and not just the first sentence, it shows u why exactly but no, Flea is just gonna come charging after me after reading one sentence of my reassessment read. Great. Lovely.
If we are killing a lurker slot first, Flea is the top candidate imo.

noraa the scumhunting god finding scum by their number of SRs! wow

noraa why do you seem to constantly make something and stir up SRs from something that isn't NAI
(I actually told her to do this in my last scumgame with scum!her, can quote from scum pt if needed)

Hey hey don't twist my words. If you would care to read the whole paragraph, I can engage you. Plus that TR you gave me a while ago sure disappeared fast eh?

Presently, as I read Noraa's answer to my first question, I find myself having a problem with the answer. Noraa claims that Tayl0r Swift used the same thing on her twice in a row, stating "Ok and do you think a scum would use the same thing on me two times in a row? yes I'm stupid but I'm not that stupid. Firstly, I would like to know if you, Noraa, think that scum would use the same thing on you two times in a row. Then, I have some follow up questions that I will present once you have answered that question.

I believe that answers the first two of your questions, but for the third, that will need to wait, because I never arrived at the destination and revealing the destination before we arrive there would make the questions completely pointless and reduce my avenues of inquiry.

ok but why tf is this question important? Plus im pretty sure u cut my post up cuz what u say here just makes me look like I dont know what im doing and im fairly certain I didnt say exactly *that* in response to whatever u asked me.

fred you're online come here

i consider this to be ellitelling btw

You know, with 17 players left in this game, I really would appreciate it if everyone only post if they have something meaningful to say. Below is an example of completely inessential conversation that could have been done using the site chat. Please use the site chat for conversations like this. You won't get banned. It's not game related.

Fredrick: complains about no game advancing content
Fredrick again: Doesn't give game advancing content at all

lol
fred order these names from town->scum NOW
fidget
taylor
theta
bell
gloria

This is just how I'd expect shelly to talk to a scum partner who's under even moderate fire lol. Not totally convinced yet but this does pique my interest.

Interesting observation. Shelly actually, if I remember correctly, said something similar to UNO and maybe someone else. If this theory is correct, fidget might've literally just solved the whole game.

Also, fidget is doing a lot of solving and less pre-flip stuff. Maybe its time to make this slot a town lean.

Also, I forgot to unvote pooky. UNVOTE:

Also, one last thing, I dont think we should rush this wagon. We have far too many people coasting rn. To the point that im almost just thinking that all the coasters are the scum team. Fred literally jumped out(into the thread) and bought himself a pass to hell(by being a total scum bucket). That's pretty bad play and honestly, if he was a scum that repped in, I really strongly believe his scum buddies would literally just tell him to coast some more cuz that's literally the best way to keep everyone from suspecting you. Idk im just having bad feelings about this + it reminds me of how my own wagon built up super fast and I got really mad and idk I just am not vibing here.

I think this is the worst Noraa post

[MURDERCAT]

Friendly reminder...

To prepare you all in advance, when I get the first scroll, I'd like everyone's preferred Scroll #2 wielder listed by their top 5 choices, in order. Whether I use this information or not, you will not know.

Failure to submit a top 5 list for Scroll #2 might make me just use Scroll #2 on you instead.

1. Taylor
2. Zdenek
3. Lapsa.
4. Flea
5. VaxKiller

I think this is the worst Bell post

[MURDERCAT]

I'd like to make both Noraa and Bell make their pick. I think Pooky should control the shot still, but I think that will be telling. I also want to hear Fidget's thoughts.

[MURDERCAT]

I don't think I ever said I'm bad at scum I think I'm pretty good at

[MURDERCAT]

gth I would shoot Bell but the gun was to my head a minute ago and I shot Pooky so

[MURDERCAT]

In this game is there anything you wouldn't do as scum that you did here?

I already towncased myself, I consistently gave up scum and was on the right side of various arguments. Though in retrospect I'm not sure how much credit I should get for Bell v Shelly, that might have been a freebie

[MURDERCAT]

You were not at the fore front of any eliminations to my knowledge.

Well it might be more effective for you to look through my towncase post point by point

[MURDERCAT]

Sorry, why do you want to shoot me murder.

You were widely TR'd for strong reads on scum. The question is if they were too good to be true. Was your Shelly read too early?

VOTE: Shellyc

Was your Fred read too strong?

If I'm scum I'm bussing my partner.
Please get on the bus.

Friendly reminder...

To prepare you all in advance, when I get the first scroll, I'd like everyone's preferred Scroll #2 wielder listed by their top 5 choices, in order. Whether I use this information or not, you will not know.

Failure to submit a top 5 list for Scroll #2 might make me just use Scroll #2 on you instead.

1. Taylor
2. Zdenek
3. Lapsa.
4. Flea
5. VaxKiller

This is a very very convenient list and is noticeably missing Shelly.

This all has to be compared to Noraa being scum, which I feel I have decent evidence against as well.

[MURDERCAT]

Fidget is like "leave me out of this" lol

[MURDERCAT]

I don't think you can say anything right now that will convince me that you are town.
You may be able to convince me Noraa is scum though, that's more interesting to me

[MURDERCAT]

You aren't directly addressing why you think I should be shot over Noraa.
You're saying it seems too good to be true (it's not because it happened).
And the likelihood of this being the case is lower than the likelihood of it being the case because in general this game is hard anti-bus.
The rest of the scum players played divergent to how I approached this game.

With the one excption being DGB who bussed Titus.

I agree with all of this, but I could see scum setting up a deep wolf to win the game. It would have to be you, because no one would trust Shelly to not hard bus the whole game and everyone else was inactive/replacing out/being scum read.

Your arguments made you town enough to get you to the F3, what you need to prove now is not that you are town but that the other person who is heavily town read is scum.

[MURDERCAT]

Like since D1 I have had just as strong a TR on Noraa as you, if not stronger so one of you needs to convince me why I was wrong on one of the TRs.

[MURDERCAT]

You may be able to convince me Noraa is scum though, that's more interesting to me

Bro I was just starting to think Bell was the last scum and I was wrong on you and you say this *very* damn scummy sentence.

The point is that anything anyone says right now is useless. As both alignments we have the exact same goal. The only thing that matters is which one of the two of you is scummier and, given very minor evidence towards Bell and less towards you, I suspect Bell. I am already TRing Bell and have been all game so his attempts at sounding towny are meaningless. What is useful is actually making a case against you as that would be very telling I think.

[MURDERCAT]

I color coded all the d1 vote counts

[MURDERCAT]

Either way scum tried really hard to get Bell/Noraa through to the end. If it's Bell it was through Bell being able to hard bus, if it was Noraa it was trying to continue to make her look good after she avoided being flipped on D1.

[MURDERCAT]

Bell is on the cusp of losing a 355 page game, his feelings are real, he doesn't need to AtE

[MURDERCAT]

I think what we need to ask ourselves is WWMUSHD?

[MURDERCAT]

everyone is starting to lean scum on me and I'm just getting deja vu of day 1. I have really conflicting thoughts and am extremely frustrated that everyone is SRing me rn. Like extremely frustrated.

? I don't think anyone is really, you can't be upset people are considering you could be scum

[MURDERCAT]

? I don't think anyone is really, you can't be upset people are considering you could be scum

Fidget and Bell both just called me scum.

I'm giving serious thought to it because I don't.. really think it's Bell.

I'm not saying you

are

scum though, if I did that's not what I meant. I have to think about it, though.

Fidget I'm curious what you make of bell's reads possibly being too good? Do you think the shelly read was natural? What about fred? What about that post I mentioned with Shelly missing and taylor convinently on top?

[MURDERCAT]

Oh, I forgot, if Murderkitty is scum then there's 2 scum on Noraa wagon D1, so mm.

Spoiler: D1

Votecount 1.1

[4] PookyTheMagicalBear:

Isis

,

Fidget

,

Zdenek

,

Hopkirk

[1]

Tayl0r Swift

:

Shellyc

[1]

Shellyc

:

VaultDweller

[1]

Bell

:

Lapsa

[13] Not Voting:

PookyTheMagicalBear,

Tayl0r Swift

,

Gloria Cleary

,

Toogeloo

,

Theta Alpine

,

Bell

, MURDERCAT,

UNOwen

,

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Flea The Magician

,

Adorable

,

Lady Lambdadelta

, Noraa

Votecount 1.2

[4] PookyTheMagicalBear:

Isis

,

Fidget

,

Zdenek

,

Toogeloo

[4] Noraa:

UNOwen

,

Lady Lambdadelta

,

Hopkirk

, MURDERCAT

[2]

Tayl0r Swift

:

Shellyc

,

Tayl0r Swift

[2]

Shellyc

:

VaultDweller

,

Bell

[2]

Bell

:

Lapsa

,

Flea The Magician

[1]

Adorable

:

Noraa

[5] Not Voting:

PookyTheMagicalBear,

Gloria Cleary

,

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Adorable

,

Theta Alpine

Votecount 1.3

[8] Noraa:

UNOwen

,

Lady Lambdadelta

,

Hopkirk

, MURDERCAT, PookyTheMagicalBear,

Adorable

,

Flea The Magician

,

Toogeloo

[2]

Tayl0r Swift

:

Shellyc

,

Tayl0r Swift

[2]

Shellyc

:

VaultDweller

,

Bell

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear:

Isis

[1]

Bell

:

Lapsa

[1]

Adorable

:

Noraa

[5] Not Voting:

Gloria Cleary

,

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Theta Alpine

,

Fidget

,

Zdenek

Votecount 1.4

[9] Noraa:

UNOwen

,

Lady Lambdadelta

,

Hopkirk

, MURDERCAT, PookyTheMagicalBear,

Adorable

,

Flea The Magician

,

Toogeloo

,

Shellyc

[1]

Tayl0r Swift

:

Tayl0r Swift

[2]

Shellyc

:

VaultDweller

,

Bell

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear:

Isis

[1]

Bell

:

Lapsa

[1]

Adorable

:

Noraa

[5] Not Voting:

Gloria Cleary

,

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Theta Alpine

,

Fidget

,

Zdenek

Votecount 1.5

[5] Noraa:

UNOwen

,

Hopkirk

,

Adorable

,

Toogeloo

, MURDERCAT

[3]

Hopkirk

:

Lady Lambdadelta

, PookyTheMagicalBear,

Isis

[2]

Shellyc

:

VaultDweller

,

Bell

[2]

Bell

:

Lapsa

,

Shellyc

[2]

Tayl0r Swift

:

Tayl0r Swift

,

Theta Alpine

[1]

Adorable

:

Noraa

[5] Not Voting:

Gloria Cleary

,

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Fidget

,

Zdenek

,

Flea The Magician

Votecount 1.6

[5] Noraa:

UNOwen

,

Hopkirk

,

Adorable

,

Toogeloo

, MURDERCAT

[3]

Hopkirk

:

Lady Lambdadelta

, PookyTheMagicalBear,

Vaxkiller

[2]

Shellyc

:

VaultDweller

,

Bell

[2]

Bell

:

Lapsa

,

Shellyc

[1]

Tayl0r Swift

:

Theta Alpine

[1]

Adorable

:

Noraa

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear

Tayl0r Swift

[5] Not Voting:

Gloria Cleary

,

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Fidget

,

Zdenek

,

Flea The Magician

Votecount 1.7

[5] Noraa:

UNOwen

,

Hopkirk

,

Adorable

,

Toogeloo

, MURDERCAT

[3]

Adorable

:

Noraa,

Theta Alpine

,

Vaxkiller

[2]

Hopkirk

:

Lady Lambdadelta

, PookyTheMagicalBear

[2]

Shellyc

:

VaultDweller

,

Bell

[2]

Bell

:

Lapsa

,

Shellyc

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear

Tayl0r Swift

[5] Not Voting:

Gloria Cleary

,

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Fidget

,

Zdenek

,

Flea The Magician

Votecount 1.8

[7] Noraa:

UNOwen

,

Hopkirk

,

Adorable

,

Toogeloo

, MURDERCAT,

Lapsa

,

Titus

[3]

Adorable

:

Noraa,

Theta Alpine

,

Vaxkiller

[1]

Hopkirk

:

Lady Lambdadelta

[1]

Shellyc

:

Bell

[1]

Bell

:

Shellyc

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear

Tayl0r Swift

[1]

Tayl0r Swift

PookyTheMagicalBear

[5] Not Voting:

Gloria Cleary

,

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Fidget

,

Zdenek

,

Flea The Magician

Votecount 1.9

[7] Noraa:

UNOwen

,

Hopkirk

,

Adorable

,

Toogeloo

, MURDERCAT,

Lapsa

,

Titus

[4]

Adorable

:

Noraa,

Theta Alpine

,

Vaxkiller

,

Fidget

[1]

Hopkirk

:

Lady Lambdadelta

[1]

Shellyc

:

Bell

[1]

Bell

:

Shellyc

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear

Tayl0r Swift

[1]

Tayl0r Swift

PookyTheMagicalBear

[4] Not Voting:

Gloria Cleary

,

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Zdenek

,

Flea The Magician

Votecount 1.10

[6] Noraa:

UNOwen

,

Hopkirk

,

Adorable

,

Toogeloo

, MURDERCAT,

Lapsa

[4]

Adorable

:

Noraa,

Theta Alpine

,

Vaxkiller

,

Fidget

[2] PookyTheMagicalBear

Tayl0r Swift

,

Titus

[1]

Hopkirk

:

Lady Lambdadelta

[1]

Shellyc

:

Bell

[1]

Bell

:

Shellyc

[1]

Tayl0r Swift

PookyTheMagicalBear

[4] Not Voting:

Gloria Cleary

,

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Zdenek

,

Flea The Magician

Votecount 1.11

[5] Noraa:

UNOwen

,

Hopkirk

,

Adorable

,

Toogeloo

, MURDERCAT,

[3]

Adorable

:

Noraa,

Theta Alpine

,

Vaxkiller

[2] PookyTheMagicalBear

Tayl0r Swift

,

Titus

[2]

Shellyc

:

Bell

,

Fidget

[1]

Hopkirk

:

Lady Lambdadelta

[1]

Bell

:

Shellyc

[1]

Tayl0r Swift

:

PookyTheMagicalBear

[1]

Lapsa

:

Lapsa

[4] Not Voting:

Gloria Cleary

,

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Zdenek

,

Flea The Magician

Votecount 1.12

[5] Noraa:

UNOwen

,

Hopkirk

,

Adorable

, MURDERCAT,

Toogeloo

[2]

Adorable

:

Theta Alpine

,

Vaxkiller

[2] PookyTheMagicalBear

Tayl0r Swift

,

Titus

[2]

Shellyc

:

Bell

,

Fidget

[1]

Hopkirk

:

Lady Lambdadelta

[1]

Bell

:

Shellyc

[1]

Tayl0r Swift

:

PookyTheMagicalBear

[1]

Lapsa

:

Lapsa

[5] Not Voting:

Gloria Cleary

,

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Zdenek

,

Flea The Magician

, Noraa

Votecount 1.13

[5] Noraa:

UNOwen

,

Hopkirk

,

Adorable

, MURDERCAT,

Toogeloo

[3] PookyTheMagicalBear

Tayl0r Swift

,

Titus

,

Gloria Cleary

[2]

Adorable

:

Theta Alpine

,

Vaxkiller

[2]

Shellyc

:

Bell

,

Fidget

[1]

Hopkirk

:

Lady Lambdadelta

[1]

Bell

:

Shellyc

[1]

Tayl0r Swift

:

PookyTheMagicalBear

[1]

Lapsa

:

Lapsa

[5] Not Voting:

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Zdenek

,

Flea The Magician

, Noraa

Votecount 1.14

[5] Noraa:

UNOwen

,

Hopkirk

,

Adorable

, MURDERCAT,

Toogeloo

[3] PookyTheMagicalBear

Tayl0r Swift

,

Titus

,

Gloria Cleary

[2]

Adorable

:

Theta Alpine

,

Vaxkiller

[2]

Shellyc

:

Bell

,

Fidget

[1]

Hopkirk

:

Lady Lambdadelta

[1]

Bell

:

Shellyc

[1]

Tayl0r Swift

:

PookyTheMagicalBear

[1]

Lapsa

:

Lapsa

[4] Not Voting:

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Zdenek

,

Flea The Magician

, Noraa

Votecount 1.15

[4] Noraa:

UNOwen

,

Hopkirk

,

Adorable

,

Toogeloo

[4] PookyTheMagicalBear

Tayl0r Swift

,

Titus

,

Gloria Cleary

, MURDERCAT

[2]

Adorable

:

Theta Alpine

,

Vaxkiller

[2]

Shellyc

:

Bell

,

Fidget

[1]

Hopkirk

:

Lady Lambdadelta

[1]

Bell

:

Shellyc

[1]

Tayl0r Swift

:

PookyTheMagicalBear

[1]

Lapsa

:

Lapsa

[4] Not Voting:

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Zdenek

,

Flea The Magician

, Noraa

Votecount 1.16

[6]

Toogeloo

:

Hopkirk

,

Shellyc

, MURDERCAT,

Titus

,

Toogeloo

,

Theta Alpine

[2]

Bell

:

Tayl0r Swift

,

Vaxkiller

[2] Noraa:

UNOwen

,

Adorable

[2]

Tayl0r Swift

:

PookyTheMagicalBear,

Bell

[2]

Shellyc

:

Fidget

,

Flea The Magician

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear

Gloria Cleary

[1]

Adorable

:

Lapsa

[1]

Hopkirk

:

Lady Lambdadelta

[3] Not Voting:

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Zdenek

, Noraa

Votecount 1.17

[6]

Toogeloo

:

Hopkirk

,

Shellyc

, MURDERCAT,

Titus

,

Toogeloo

,

Theta Alpine

[2]

Bell

:

Tayl0r Swift

,

Vaxkiller

[2] Noraa:

UNOwen

,

Adorable

[2]

Tayl0r Swift

:

PookyTheMagicalBear,

Bell

[2]

Shellyc

:

Fidget

,

Flea The Magician

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear

Gloria Cleary

[1]

Adorable

:

Lapsa

[1]

Hopkirk

:

Lady Lambdadelta

[3] Not Voting:

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Zdenek

, Noraa

Votecount 1.18

[9]

Toogeloo

:

Hopkirk

,

Shellyc

, MURDERCAT,

Titus

,

Toogeloo

,

Theta Alpine

,

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Lady Lambdadelta

, Noraa

[2]

Bell

:

Tayl0r Swift

,

Vaxkiller

[2]

Tayl0r Swift

:

PookyTheMagicalBear,

Bell

[2]

Shellyc

:

Fidget

,

Flea The Magician

[1] Noraa:

Adorable

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear

Gloria Cleary

[1]

Adorable

:

Lapsa

[1]

Lapsa

:

UNOwen

[1] Not Voting:

Zdenek

Votecount 1.19

[8]

Toogeloo

:

Hopkirk

, MURDERCAT,

Titus

,

Toogeloo

,

Theta Alpine

,

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Lady Lambdadelta

, Noraa

[3]

Tayl0r Swift

:

PookyTheMagicalBear,

Bell

,

Shellyc

[2]

Bell

:

Tayl0r Swift

,

Vaxkiller

[2]

Shellyc

:

Fidget

,

Flea The Magician

[1] Noraa:

Adorable

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear

Gloria Cleary

[1]

Adorable

:

Lapsa

[1]

Lapsa

:

UNOwen

[1] Not Voting:

Zdenek

Votecount 1.20

(FINAL)

[11]

Toogeloo

:

Hopkirk

, MURDERCAT,

Titus

,

Toogeloo

,

Theta Alpine

,

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Lady Lambdadelta

, Noraa,

UNOwen

,

Shellyc

,

Bell

HAMMER

[2]

Tayl0r Swift

:

PookyTheMagicalBear,

Bell

[2]

Bell

:

Tayl0r Swift

,

Vaxkiller

[2]

Shellyc

:

Fidget

,

Flea The Magician

[1] Noraa:

Adorable

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear

Gloria Cleary

[1]

Adorable

:

Lapsa

[1] Not Voting:

Zdenek

Spoiler: D2

Votecount 2.1

[5]

Fredrick A Campbell

:

Bell,

MUSHSHAGANA

, PookyTheMagicalBear,

Shellyc

,

Flea The Magician

[2] Noraa:

Titus

,

Fredrick A Campbell

[1]

UNOwen

:

Tayl0r Swift

[1]

Adorable

:

Theta Alpine

[1]

Flea The Magician

:

Noraa

[7] Not Voting:

Gloria Cleary

, MURDERCAT,

UNOwen

,

Adorable

,

Lady Lambdadelta

,

Lapsa

,

Fidget

Votecount 2.2

[6]

Fredrick A Campbell

:

Bell,

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Flea The Magician

, PookyTheMagicalBear,

Shellyc

,

Gloria Cleary

[2] Noraa:

Titus

,

Adorable

[1]

Fidget

:

Tayl0r Swift

[1]

Adorable

:

Theta Alpine

[1]

Shellyc

:

Fidget

[1]

Tayl0r Swift

:

Fredrick A Campbell

,

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear:

Noraa

[4] Not Voting:

MURDERCAT,

UNOwen

,

Lady Lambdadelta

,

Lapsa

Votecount 2.3

[6]

Fredrick A Campbell

:

Bell,

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Flea The Magician

, PookyTheMagicalBear,

Shellyc

,

UNOwen

[2] Noraa:

Titus

,

Adorable

[1]

Fidget

:

Tayl0r Swift

[1]

Adorable

:

Theta Alpine

[1]

Shellyc

:

Fidget

[1]

Tayl0r Swift

:

Fredrick A Campbell

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear:

Noraa

[4] Not Voting:

MURDERCAT,

Lady Lambdadelta

,

Lapsa

,

Gloria Cleary

Votecount 2.4

[5]

Fredrick A Campbell

:

Bell,

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Flea The Magician

, PookyTheMagicalBear,

UNOwen

[2] Noraa:

Titus

,

Adorable

[2]

Tayl0r Swift

:

Fredrick A Campbell

,

Shellyc

[1]

Fidget

:

Tayl0r Swift

[1]

Adorable

:

Theta Alpine

[1]

Shellyc

:

Fidget

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear:

Noraa

[4] Not Voting:

MURDERCAT,

Lady Lambdadelta

,

Lapsa

,

Gloria Cleary

Votecount 2.5

(FINAL)

[9]

Fredrick A Campbell

:

Bell,

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Flea The Magician

, PookyTheMagicalBear,

UNOwen

, MURDERCAT,

Titus

,

Shellyc

,

Fidget

HAMMER

[1] Noraa:

Adorable

[1]

Tayl0r Swift

:

Fredrick A Campbell

[1]

Fidget

:

Tayl0r Swift

[1]

Adorable

:

Theta Alpine

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear:

Noraa

[3] Not Voting:

Lady Lambdadelta

,

DrippingGoofball

,

Gloria Cleary

Why's Bell green in these?

I'm not sure something got messed up on D1 with the find replace

[MURDERCAT]

What if shelly made him?

[MURDERCAT]

I think bell's case is what I need to see

[MURDERCAT]

What if shelly made him?

Made me what?

Bus more aggressively than you normally would

[MURDERCAT]

....Why would shelly want me to bus her when her scum game is better than mine?

Shelly may know that she can't get to the end. She gives herself up to get you to the end. That's the thought anyway.

[MURDERCAT]

She said recently that Noraa can consistently read her, she may have been worried about that

[MURDERCAT]

She said recently that Noraa can consistently read her, she may have been worried about that

Is Noraa particularly good at getting her scum reads eliminated?

Yeah see 2172

[MURDERCAT]

I'm not against Noraa scum, I need to see a case from you though.

[MURDERCAT]

Pooky I'm wavering on Bell

[MURDERCAT]

We were both SRing Noraa late beyond most people on D1 and uno still had doubts.

A question for Pooky, are Noraa's reads consistent with what you believe to be her skill as town?

[MURDERCAT]

Noraa
Fidget
Shellyc
Titus
Pooky
Lapsa

Like if I'm worried about a convienent list from bell isn't this way worse? After what happened in 2170 are we really going to accept this?

[MURDERCAT]

Like if I'm worried about a convienent list from bell isn't this way worse? After what happened in 2170 are we really going to accept this?

ur literally comparing this to one of my worst games on site?
smh

Yeah and roses. You had a good read on a player you had a strong history with in 2172 but like where did this lapsa read come from

[MURDERCAT]

Pooky I'm wavering on Bell

I dunno why you switched to thinking I was scum in the first place. Or felt confident in it for even a moment.

It's literally my top 2 TRs left and one read was wrong of course now everything in your iso looks like a scum tell now I'm super paranoid about everything. When you have a Noraa case I'll give my final decision

[MURDERCAT]

All 5 on that list were SRing me pretty hard at the time :/

LLD isn't in the list though

[MURDERCAT]

Noraa I'd like to see a Bell case, a real one. Please spoiler and include commentary

[MURDERCAT]

MC is your determination failing!?

With good reason I think, waiting for more evidence and I will share

[MURDERCAT]

I really joined this game intending to get scrolled like d1 and try to hit scum on my way out

[MURDERCAT]

but you didn't try very hard to get scrolled murdercatto

Well it's LLD and your fault for TRing me early
Also I have tried pretty hard to not make it to this point

[MURDERCAT]

We need to understand the LLD and taylor passes

LLD could have been, get her out before she comes back and gets Noraa killed plus general respect. Taylor makes sense now, can't disrupt the final 2 deal

[MURDERCAT]

Coasted is even being generous

[MURDERCAT]

Pooky I think it's Noraa. Before I was blind but now I see

[MURDERCAT]

Pooky I think it's Noraa. Before I was blind but now I see

You dare speak ill of our Glorious Queen?

HURT: MurderCat

I'll explain it after she finishes giving herself away

[MURDERCAT]

Also Pooky you can't reaction test me with hurt tags because I won't feel bad if you scroll me, I already accepted this fate long ago

[MURDERCAT]

Case me then Noraa

[MURDERCAT]

imagine thinking I would kill Queen Noraa after promising Princess Gloria on her deathbed to keep Queen Noraa safe.

I think Gloria's reads were whack tbh. Or at least some of the reasoning

[MURDERCAT]

Bell I think you are really trying to figure out what's going on. I'll save you the effort. I'm town. It really is Noraa

[MURDERCAT]

I said multiple times I wanted to trade with you though Pooky and meant it

[MURDERCAT]

Pooky I never switch to pushing Noraa here as scum and I know you know that. Look at how Noraa is pushing bell instead of me. Her paranoia on me isn't real. We had 8 townies on her D1, then shelly tried to bus. Fred tried to bus too but did a bad job and ended up making Noraa look great. Titus can't shoot bell because then it's weird Noraa didn't die. If it was bell they would have killed Noraa

[MURDERCAT]

If you are wavering on Bell I'd push you hard back onto Bell, Noraa is a huge uphill battle
But whatever, I don't have to convince you I'm town just that she's scum

[MURDERCAT]

I appreciate you sharing Murder about being town.
That's a relief. But Ugh. And scum rarely say what you just said but.
ughhhh

Bell is in deep

[MURDERCAT]

its easier for you to convince me you're town than she's scum

I know so why would I try as scum?
I currently believe my win condition is to convince you she is scum though

[MURDERCAT]

Noraa floated the whole game while bell and I found scum with mush. We both thought her range as scum was a lot further than people were giving her credit for. She had scum in her reads but never pushed them.

[MURDERCAT]

Spoiler: D1

Votecount 1.1

[4] PookyTheMagicalBear:

Isis

,

Fidget

,

Zdenek

,

Hopkirk

[1]

Tayl0r Swift

:

Shellyc

[1]

Shellyc

:

VaultDweller

[1]

Bell

:

Lapsa

[13] Not Voting:

PookyTheMagicalBear,

Tayl0r Swift

,

Gloria Cleary

,

Toogeloo

,

Theta Alpine

,

Bell

, MURDERCAT,

UNOwen

,

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Flea The Magician

,

Adorable

,

Lady Lambdadelta

, Noraa

Votecount 1.2

[4] PookyTheMagicalBear:

Isis

,

Fidget

,

Zdenek

,

Toogeloo

[4] Noraa:

UNOwen

,

Lady Lambdadelta

,

Hopkirk

, MURDERCAT

[2]

Tayl0r Swift

:

Shellyc

,

Tayl0r Swift

[2]

Shellyc

:

VaultDweller

,

Bell

[2]

Bell

:

Lapsa

,

Flea The Magician

[1]

Adorable

:

Noraa

[5] Not Voting:

PookyTheMagicalBear,

Gloria Cleary

,

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Adorable

,

Theta Alpine

Votecount 1.3

[8] Noraa:

UNOwen

,

Lady Lambdadelta

,

Hopkirk

, MURDERCAT, PookyTheMagicalBear,

Adorable

,

Flea The Magician

,

Toogeloo

[2]

Tayl0r Swift

:

Shellyc

,

Tayl0r Swift

[2]

Shellyc

:

VaultDweller

,

Bell

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear:

Isis

[1]

Bell

:

Lapsa

[1]

Adorable

:

Noraa

[5] Not Voting:

Gloria Cleary

,

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Theta Alpine

,

Fidget

,

Zdenek

Votecount 1.4

[9] Noraa:

UNOwen

,

Lady Lambdadelta

,

Hopkirk

, MURDERCAT, PookyTheMagicalBear,

Adorable

,

Flea The Magician

,

Toogeloo

,

Shellyc

[1]

Tayl0r Swift

:

Tayl0r Swift

[2]

Shellyc

:

VaultDweller

,

Bell

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear:

Isis

[1]

Bell

:

Lapsa

[1]

Adorable

:

Noraa

[5] Not Voting:

Gloria Cleary

,

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Theta Alpine

,

Fidget

,

Zdenek

Votecount 1.5

[5] Noraa:

UNOwen

,

Hopkirk

,

Adorable

,

Toogeloo

, MURDERCAT

[3]

Hopkirk

:

Lady Lambdadelta

, PookyTheMagicalBear,

Isis

[2]

Shellyc

:

VaultDweller

,

Bell

[2]

Bell

:

Lapsa

,

Shellyc

[2]

Tayl0r Swift

:

Tayl0r Swift

,

Theta Alpine

[1]

Adorable

:

Noraa

[5] Not Voting:

Gloria Cleary

,

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Fidget

,

Zdenek

,

Flea The Magician

Votecount 1.6

[5] Noraa:

UNOwen

,

Hopkirk

,

Adorable

,

Toogeloo

, MURDERCAT

[3]

Hopkirk

:

Lady Lambdadelta

, PookyTheMagicalBear,

Vaxkiller

[2]

Shellyc

:

VaultDweller

,

Bell

[2]

Bell

:

Lapsa

,

Shellyc

[1]

Tayl0r Swift

:

Theta Alpine

[1]

Adorable

:

Noraa

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear

Tayl0r Swift

[5] Not Voting:

Gloria Cleary

,

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Fidget

,

Zdenek

,

Flea The Magician

Votecount 1.7

[5] Noraa:

UNOwen

,

Hopkirk

,

Adorable

,

Toogeloo

, MURDERCAT

[3]

Adorable

:

Noraa,

Theta Alpine

,

Vaxkiller

[2]

Hopkirk

:

Lady Lambdadelta

, PookyTheMagicalBear

[2]

Shellyc

:

VaultDweller

,

Bell

[2]

Bell

:

Lapsa

,

Shellyc

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear

Tayl0r Swift

[5] Not Voting:

Gloria Cleary

,

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Fidget

,

Zdenek

,

Flea The Magician

Votecount 1.8

[7] Noraa:

UNOwen

,

Hopkirk

,

Adorable

,

Toogeloo

, MURDERCAT,

Lapsa

,

Titus

[3]

Adorable

:

Noraa,

Theta Alpine

,

Vaxkiller

[1]

Hopkirk

:

Lady Lambdadelta

[1]

Shellyc

:

Bell

[1]

Bell

:

Shellyc

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear

Tayl0r Swift

[1]

Tayl0r Swift

PookyTheMagicalBear

[5] Not Voting:

Gloria Cleary

,

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Fidget

,

Zdenek

,

Flea The Magician

Votecount 1.9

[7] Noraa:

UNOwen

,

Hopkirk

,

Adorable

,

Toogeloo

, MURDERCAT,

Lapsa

,

Titus

[4]

Adorable

:

Noraa,

Theta Alpine

,

Vaxkiller

,

Fidget

[1]

Hopkirk

:

Lady Lambdadelta

[1]

Shellyc

:

Bell

[1]

Bell

:

Shellyc

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear

Tayl0r Swift

[1]

Tayl0r Swift

PookyTheMagicalBear

[4] Not Voting:

Gloria Cleary

,

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Zdenek

,

Flea The Magician

Votecount 1.10

[6] Noraa:

UNOwen

,

Hopkirk

,

Adorable

,

Toogeloo

, MURDERCAT,

Lapsa

[4]

Adorable

:

Noraa,

Theta Alpine

,

Vaxkiller

,

Fidget

[2] PookyTheMagicalBear

Tayl0r Swift

,

Titus

[1]

Hopkirk

:

Lady Lambdadelta

[1]

Shellyc

:

Bell

[1]

Bell

:

Shellyc

[1]

Tayl0r Swift

PookyTheMagicalBear

[4] Not Voting:

Gloria Cleary

,

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Zdenek

,

Flea The Magician

Votecount 1.11

[5] Noraa:

UNOwen

,

Hopkirk

,

Adorable

,

Toogeloo

, MURDERCAT,

[3]

Adorable

:

Noraa,

Theta Alpine

,

Vaxkiller

[2] PookyTheMagicalBear

Tayl0r Swift

,

Titus

[2]

Shellyc

:

Bell

,

Fidget

[1]

Hopkirk

:

Lady Lambdadelta

[1]

Bell

:

Shellyc

[1]

Tayl0r Swift

:

PookyTheMagicalBear

[1]

Lapsa

:

Lapsa

[4] Not Voting:

Gloria Cleary

,

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Zdenek

,

Flea The Magician

Votecount 1.12

[5] Noraa:

UNOwen

,

Hopkirk

,

Adorable

, MURDERCAT,

Toogeloo

[2]

Adorable

:

Theta Alpine

,

Vaxkiller

[2] PookyTheMagicalBear

Tayl0r Swift

,

Titus

[2]

Shellyc

:

Bell

,

Fidget

[1]

Hopkirk

:

Lady Lambdadelta

[1]

Bell

:

Shellyc

[1]

Tayl0r Swift

:

PookyTheMagicalBear

[1]

Lapsa

:

Lapsa

[5] Not Voting:

Gloria Cleary

,

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Zdenek

,

Flea The Magician

, Noraa

Votecount 1.13

[5] Noraa:

UNOwen

,

Hopkirk

,

Adorable

, MURDERCAT,

Toogeloo

[3] PookyTheMagicalBear

Tayl0r Swift

,

Titus

,

Gloria Cleary

[2]

Adorable

:

Theta Alpine

,

Vaxkiller

[2]

Shellyc

:

Bell

,

Fidget

[1]

Hopkirk

:

Lady Lambdadelta

[1]

Bell

:

Shellyc

[1]

Tayl0r Swift

:

PookyTheMagicalBear

[1]

Lapsa

:

Lapsa

[5] Not Voting:

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Zdenek

,

Flea The Magician

, Noraa

Votecount 1.14

[5] Noraa:

UNOwen

,

Hopkirk

,

Adorable

, MURDERCAT,

Toogeloo

[3] PookyTheMagicalBear

Tayl0r Swift

,

Titus

,

Gloria Cleary

[2]

Adorable

:

Theta Alpine

,

Vaxkiller

[2]

Shellyc

:

Bell

,

Fidget

[1]

Hopkirk

:

Lady Lambdadelta

[1]

Bell

:

Shellyc

[1]

Tayl0r Swift

:

PookyTheMagicalBear

[1]

Lapsa

:

Lapsa

[4] Not Voting:

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Zdenek

,

Flea The Magician

, Noraa

Votecount 1.15

[4] Noraa:

UNOwen

,

Hopkirk

,

Adorable

,

Toogeloo

[4] PookyTheMagicalBear

Tayl0r Swift

,

Titus

,

Gloria Cleary

, MURDERCAT

[2]

Adorable

:

Theta Alpine

,

Vaxkiller

[2]

Shellyc

:

Bell

,

Fidget

[1]

Hopkirk

:

Lady Lambdadelta

[1]

Bell

:

Shellyc

[1]

Tayl0r Swift

:

PookyTheMagicalBear

[1]

Lapsa

:

Lapsa

[4] Not Voting:

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Zdenek

,

Flea The Magician

, Noraa

Votecount 1.16

[6]

Toogeloo

:

Hopkirk

,

Shellyc

, MURDERCAT,

Titus

,

Toogeloo

,

Theta Alpine

[2]

Bell

:

Tayl0r Swift

,

Vaxkiller

[2] Noraa:

UNOwen

,

Adorable

[2]

Tayl0r Swift

:

PookyTheMagicalBear,

Bell

[2]

Shellyc

:

Fidget

,

Flea The Magician

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear

Gloria Cleary

[1]

Adorable

:

Lapsa

[1]

Hopkirk

:

Lady Lambdadelta

[3] Not Voting:

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Zdenek

, Noraa

Votecount 1.17

[6]

Toogeloo

:

Hopkirk

,

Shellyc

, MURDERCAT,

Titus

,

Toogeloo

,

Theta Alpine

[2]

Bell

:

Tayl0r Swift

,

Vaxkiller

[2] Noraa:

UNOwen

,

Adorable

[2]

Tayl0r Swift

:

PookyTheMagicalBear,

Bell

[2]

Shellyc

:

Fidget

,

Flea The Magician

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear

Gloria Cleary

[1]

Adorable

:

Lapsa

[1]

Hopkirk

:

Lady Lambdadelta

[3] Not Voting:

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Zdenek

, Noraa

Votecount 1.18

[9]

Toogeloo

:

Hopkirk

,

Shellyc

, MURDERCAT,

Titus

,

Toogeloo

,

Theta Alpine

,

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Lady Lambdadelta

, Noraa

[2]

Bell

:

Tayl0r Swift

,

Vaxkiller

[2]

Tayl0r Swift

:

PookyTheMagicalBear,

Bell

[2]

Shellyc

:

Fidget

,

Flea The Magician

[1] Noraa:

Adorable

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear

Gloria Cleary

[1]

Adorable

:

Lapsa

[1]

Lapsa

:

UNOwen

[1] Not Voting:

Zdenek

Votecount 1.19

[8]

Toogeloo

:

Hopkirk

, MURDERCAT,

Titus

,

Toogeloo

,

Theta Alpine

,

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Lady Lambdadelta

, Noraa

[3]

Tayl0r Swift

:

PookyTheMagicalBear,

Bell

,

Shellyc

[2]

Bell

:

Tayl0r Swift

,

Vaxkiller

[2]

Shellyc

:

Fidget

,

Flea The Magician

[1] Noraa:

Adorable

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear

Gloria Cleary

[1]

Adorable

:

Lapsa

[1]

Lapsa

:

UNOwen

[1] Not Voting:

Zdenek

Votecount 1.20

(FINAL)

[11]

Toogeloo

:

Hopkirk

, MURDERCAT,

Titus

,

Toogeloo

,

Theta Alpine

,

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Lady Lambdadelta

, Noraa,

UNOwen

,

Shellyc

,

Bell

HAMMER

[2]

Tayl0r Swift

:

PookyTheMagicalBear,

Bell

[2]

Bell

:

Tayl0r Swift

,

Vaxkiller

[2]

Shellyc

:

Fidget

,

Flea The Magician

[1] Noraa:

Adorable

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear

Gloria Cleary

[1]

Adorable

:

Lapsa

[1] Not Voting:

Zdenek

Spoiler: D2

Votecount 2.1

[5]

Fredrick A Campbell

:

Bell,

MUSHSHAGANA

, PookyTheMagicalBear,

Shellyc

,

Flea The Magician

[2] Noraa:

Titus

,

Fredrick A Campbell

[1]

UNOwen

:

Tayl0r Swift

[1]

Adorable

:

Theta Alpine

[1]

Flea The Magician

:

Noraa

[7] Not Voting:

Gloria Cleary

, MURDERCAT,

UNOwen

,

Adorable

,

Lady Lambdadelta

,

Lapsa

,

Fidget

Votecount 2.2

[6]

Fredrick A Campbell

:

Bell,

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Flea The Magician

, PookyTheMagicalBear,

Shellyc

,

Gloria Cleary

[2] Noraa:

Titus

,

Adorable

[1]

Fidget

:

Tayl0r Swift

[1]

Adorable

:

Theta Alpine

[1]

Shellyc

:

Fidget

[1]

Tayl0r Swift

:

Fredrick A Campbell

,

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear:

Noraa

[4] Not Voting:

MURDERCAT,

UNOwen

,

Lady Lambdadelta

,

Lapsa

Votecount 2.3

[6]

Fredrick A Campbell

:

Bell,

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Flea The Magician

, PookyTheMagicalBear,

Shellyc

,

UNOwen

[2] Noraa:

Titus

,

Adorable

[1]

Fidget

:

Tayl0r Swift

[1]

Adorable

:

Theta Alpine

[1]

Shellyc

:

Fidget

[1]

Tayl0r Swift

:

Fredrick A Campbell

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear:

Noraa

[4] Not Voting:

MURDERCAT,

Lady Lambdadelta

,

Lapsa

,

Gloria Cleary

Votecount 2.4

[5]

Fredrick A Campbell

:

Bell,

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Flea The Magician

, PookyTheMagicalBear,

UNOwen

[2] Noraa:

Titus

,

Adorable

[2]

Tayl0r Swift

:

Fredrick A Campbell

,

Shellyc

[1]

Fidget

:

Tayl0r Swift

[1]

Adorable

:

Theta Alpine

[1]

Shellyc

:

Fidget

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear:

Noraa

[4] Not Voting:

MURDERCAT,

Lady Lambdadelta

,

Lapsa

,

Gloria Cleary

Votecount 2.5

(FINAL)

[9]

Fredrick A Campbell

:

Bell,

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Flea The Magician

, PookyTheMagicalBear,

UNOwen

, MURDERCAT,

Titus

,

Shellyc

,

Fidget

HAMMER

[1] Noraa:

Adorable

[1]

Tayl0r Swift

:

Fredrick A Campbell

[1]

Fidget

:

Tayl0r Swift

[1]

Adorable

:

Theta Alpine

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear:

Noraa

[3] Not Voting:

Lady Lambdadelta

,

DrippingGoofball

,

Gloria Cleary

Don't you see Pooky bell being green here is a sign from mush our true queen. Noraa is an imposter, an usurper. Mush must be avenged. LLD must be avenged. Uno must be avenged.

[MURDERCAT]

Actually though, despite notes having 3 scum reads in her list she never voted scum in any of these VCs

[MURDERCAT]

Also I should acknowledge rip the 3/5 dream

[MURDERCAT]

I continue to be exceeding average

[MURDERCAT]

Put the tag on Noraa Pooky. Watch

[MURDERCAT]

Did she think she would die, so it was for anti-associatives?

I think so

[MURDERCAT]

Believe in me fidget
Believe in me bell
Believe in me Pooky

I am town. I still think Bell is town.

[MURDERCAT]

No you did well fidget we can win this still

[MURDERCAT]

We are doing it bell it's ok

[MURDERCAT]

We can win together Pooky

And all the spectators will say "you didn't fuck it up, nice job"

Isis will say "you guys only kinda suck"

[MURDERCAT]

I am willing to take bell off the table right now. If you think Noraa is town, so be it, scroll me. But if you think there is a chance I'm town we can do it, together

[MURDERCAT]

It's the anime comeback this game deserves

[MURDERCAT]

That's ok I don't blame you

[MURDERCAT]

Fidget I'm signing off for the night. Assess me honestly, if you think I'm scum so be it. But keep looking at Noraa too. Look at what her real paranoia towards me looks like on D1 of 2170. She is somehow not pushing me at all, it's all about Bell. She setup the paranoia towards bell and me and then went whichever way you felt Pooky. Notice she's not panicking that you are suddenly aren't doing what you said you would do when you targeted bell? Cool as a cucumber. Does that sound like town Noraa to you?

[MURDERCAT]

In retrospect, why kill LLD if she was wrong on her top two reads and inactive? It's because she was

right

. We were right Pooky.

[MURDERCAT]

Also if Bell were scum he would have insta hard pushed me and probably would have been setting it up earlier than that, please don't shoot him.

[MURDERCAT]

Happy birthday Noraa
I think you might win this game

[MURDERCAT]

Murder always insisted I had to agree to {Noraa, Bell} and so I did.

If I'm scum it doesn't matter who the final two is if I'm not in it

[MURDERCAT]

I don't understand how Bell and Murdercat are comparable in your reads. You seemed perfectly fine with Pooky shooting Bell off the bat today.

Look at how she shifts to me once Pooky moves his vote

[MURDERCAT]

I have decided who I think the shot should be.
Bell I think genuinely doesn't know what is going on.
Noraa is the one in anyone but me mode.

[MURDERCAT]

@Pooky I think you know that town Noraa would be flailing like crazy right now
Plus come on that fake town slip at the beginning was really bad and we both knew it.

[MURDERCAT]

You won't convince me Noraa, try to work Pooky

[MURDERCAT]

he pass to LLD never makes sense unless I am town.

I explained why that's not true though

[MURDERCAT]

At this point there is no fault, if we lose it's because scum played well. If Bell is scum I tip my cap. I don't want to lose to Noraa scum after everything that happened on D1 and what I feel is a decently strong read in that direction, all things considered.

[MURDERCAT]

LLD is still a very strong town player, you have to take her out eventually. At the moment she was inactive and wasn't currently pushing anyone. If scum thought she was going to come back and hard push town Noraa again, they would have left her alive. I think they were afraid she was going to come back and hard push Noraa. I think they were afraid that she would go on to find more scum.

Consider for a moment that Noraa is scum. What would you have done? When else would you have taken LLD out? Scum clearly planned to keep the dayvig til Elo numbers, shelly said as much.

[MURDERCAT]

My gut said Bell was town too, so they can clown on me alongside you

[MURDERCAT]

My thought is, she is heavily TR'd by everyone and is still strong so she would probably eventually catch more scum. Titus in particular would probably be worried about being found out by her.

I'm not necessarily saying it is locked and this makes way more sense, but I'm saying there is a way it makes sense with Noraa scum and we should reconsider what is left of Noraa town evidence without this piece of it.

[MURDERCAT]

Explain it then.

I knew you were still reading the thread

[MURDERCAT]

Explain when you think it would happen then though

[MURDERCAT]

Timer: (expired on 2020-11-20 21:36:19)

[MURDERCAT]

I don't think scum team ever kill her with a scroll pass if not to make sure it goes T -> T

So far in the game, she's had 3 SRs. All 3 were town. Why would scum feel even slightly threatened?

I am saying, if you are scum, when else would the pass have happened?
You are agreeing with me here. Why would scum feel threatened enough to pass to her unless you are scum?

[MURDERCAT]

That is one argument. Another argument is that they feared LLD would come back and find more scum and wanted her out early.
Prove my argument wrong, don't just repeat yours

[MURDERCAT]

Good post Fidget

[MURDERCAT]

It is noteworthy that LLD did push for Hopkirk at the end of D1 instead of Noraa.

[MURDERCAT]

This is why we should have just shot Noraa first on D1.

[MURDERCAT]

For the record, I think a lot of that came with my vote on Fred anyway

[MURDERCAT]

For the record, I think a lot of that came with my vote on Fred anyway

Meh I guess not. Oh. At least I look better towards Shelly/Titus/Goofball

[MURDERCAT]

The thing is I can tell that Noraa knows I'm town because of the way she in interacting with me, but I need the rest of you to come to that conclusion yourselves.

[MURDERCAT]

I haven't fully read this game, but it's probably the one to read.
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=84310

According to Noraa, she TR'd all her partners.

[MURDERCAT]

Ok but I don't understand. Why would scum fear LLD. Let's say I'm scum. In that case, LLD SRed one scum and two townies.

I never argued that LLD was feared by scum so Fred passed there. You argued that but then made it seem like I argued it. Scum never kill LLD out of fear imo.

If they really wanted her out early, they would've just dayvigged.

If you are scum LLD hard tunneled you. She would do it again with other scum. She might also come back hard on you at some point further along in POE.

Shelly said that scum was saving the dayvig for elo numbers, if you use it early then town has one less person to sort the whole game.

[MURDERCAT]

Is this where you fake gambit by forgetting that you can”t vig scroll holders

I’ll explain why then fineeeee

Scum dayvig in lylo numbers to win

[MURDERCAT]

Currently, I actually think its Murder. It switched. Murder's been pushing that {Murder, Bell, Noraa} last three a lot which is concerning. Like everyone else pushed last two. Murder was the only one that pushed last three.

You mean when I tried to trade myself off with Pooky during the last phase?

[MURDERCAT]

That's clearly inaccurate tho otherwise scum would've already dayvigged someone today. Pooky and I tried p hard to bait a dayvig out but it didn't work.

It refers to what happens after this pass. We are in elo only because the dayvig still exists

[MURDERCAT]

I meant what I said Pooky, even though a vote would clearly be in my favor I still trust you with the shot. If it's me so be it

[MURDERCAT]

I'm not sure why scum Titus with scum MURDER ever doesn't hit Bell/Noraa.
The goal should have been to get me into the final 2, we would have hit Noraa.

[MURDERCAT]

I think you can nap if you want, we need to hear from Pooky

[MURDERCAT]

You don't think it's Noraa?
I don't blame you I'd probably shoot you here too

[MURDERCAT]

You can wait until tomorrow morning

[MURDERCAT]

I am curious where your Noraa TR comes from though Pooky, without the influence of my other TRs it was mostly just the LLD pass for me.

[MURDERCAT]

I have emotional town tells as well, but I haven't pointed to any of them because like I said it's all junk

[MURDERCAT]

I made a game for you Pooky ^-^
Guess which posts are from Noraa scum games and which are from Noraa town games.
This isn't a dumb trick where I go "haha! they are all from scum games!" there are some of each.

Spoiler: 1

I'm stubborn as fuck this game?
I tunneled [redacted]/[redacted] hard and guess what? he was fucking scum
I TRed [redacted] hard and guess what? she was a dang pr
what more do you need here?

Spoiler: 2

I'm not scum. Idk what else I can say about this bc I can't prove it without showing my role pm.

If you believe in town!Noraa, we will be able to lim [redacted] today.
If you don't, then we have to pray [redacted] is town :/

Spoiler: 3

im a hot mess as town so bear with me.
check out newbie game Ancient Arthropods
I was the JKer there and my scum team guess was two vanillas. Both the people I jailed were vanilla as well. Only scum I found was one that claimed my role. The other was found by crappy Poe that wasn't even accurate cuz I was roleblocked one night.

Spoiler: 4

alright fine. I swear to god if my gut was right....
if this is a mislim, plus I'm sorry, seriously am
here goes nothing
VOTE: [redacted]
E-0
now I pray that my decision was correct

Spoiler: 5

[redacted], [redacted]. Evaluate {[redacted], Noraa} today bc 1) its easier to evaluate and its clear who is scum
and 2) we get a whole night of peace and quiet to calm down and think about [redacted] and [redacted]

[redacted]'s partner equity with [redacted], after I rethought is actually quite high. [redacted] and [redacted] partner equity is also really high. I can't tell. If its really just [redacted] and [redacted], I'm stressing over nothing but either way, its clear [redacted] is the common factor. Can we just make a decision now. I think its clear why [redacted] is the best lim today and [redacted] whole case and defending of [redacted] is just not rubbing me right even tho yesterday I had just accepted [redacted]/[redacted]. Idk just, lets just go with the safer lim. Theres nothing else to say here honestly. I think everyone just needs a thread lock to sit down and think hard about [redacted] and [redacted].

Spoiler: 6

basically ur saying it doesn't matter what but I'm scum cuz I said we should lim a jester that isn't helping town at all. am I wrong? you've said like maybe 1 helpful thing this whole time. I've asked u for a read multiple time and u never gave me one. ur not helping anything whereas if we mislynch an active pr(both [redacted] and [redacted] are active), it sucks much more than mislynching an unactive player(doesn't matter what ur role is). Even if you are a pr, ur doing absolutely nothing beneficial to town. If ur jail keeper or cop or tracker, then u can argue when you get to E-1. I think its 100% fair if town lims u for not helping or even trying to do absolutely anything

[MURDERCAT]

Come play Pooky

[MURDERCAT]

Read the posts Pooky, which are scum Noraa?

[MURDERCAT]

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Pooky I am surprised you don't notice the lack of emotion in Noraa's posts today.

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I gave my town case. I don't want a TR based on some BS Shelly or anyone else said or didn't say. Here is what I think is the evidence I am town:

- I SR'd shelly most of the game and never Bell
- I had a SR on lapsa even though it was safe to call the slot null
- I didn't push Fred in a way that looks like a bus
- A deepwolf strategy involving me wouldn't have involved shooting LLD, who had town blocked me
- I called out Shelly's fake reaction
- I connected Titus to scum Shelly
- I had a real emotional reaction to MUSH shooting Goofball instead of Titus
- I didn't shoot in Bell/Noraa when shooting Noraa would have more likely led to Bell/MC final 2.

If that's not enough, so be it. I'd like to see a similar list from Noraa.

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Also, read the posts from Noraa please Pooky, she can module her emotions as scum

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Ok, well I accepted the loss already.
You have my permission to scroll me, I don't have anymore evidence to present.
I hope you'll wait for Bell/Fidget still though, they deserve the chance to convince you.

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The one thing I'll say Pooky is that there's at least 2 townies who are at least leaning towards it being Noraa.

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This post bothers me. i can see scum murder posting like this. It fits somewhat easily in the narrative of someone who is trying to lull noraa into death as scum. /:

I said basically the same thing in 2170

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Pooky if 9207 convinces you over 9197 then..

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It's ok Bell, do what you need to. But I think I have both given what I think is a case for why I am town and a case for why I think Noraa could be scum and I don't think Noraa has done either.

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Murder isnt willing to reassess which lacks townie paranoia is my opinion here. I've flip flopped back and forth multiple times and either Murder's doing it in his head or its not even happening.

I started on Bell

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Who?

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I have actual evidence of logical inconsistencies with the way the game worked out had I been scum.
Noraa says "this is bad" and quotes my posts

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Noraa you need to actually say stuff when you fake scumhunt you can't just quote things

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If Murder is scum, scums distanced well from him. Barely any interaction and they planned to have Murder carry the entire team since a long time ago.

Btw I still stand by this post

That theory is logically inconsistent with the LLD pass and the Taylor pass. It is also inconsistent with my constant desire to 1 for 1 with Pooky.

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how is it inconsistent?

LLD and Pooky are town and were town blocking me. It doesn't make sense for me to turn on them if there was a plan to get me to the end. I would have stuck with them instead. I would have passed to you in stead of Tayl0r to force a new final 2 that possibly includes me.