Abarat: Days of Magic, Nights of War Mafia (Endgame)

[petapan]

read page 1 - it's a confirmed town role via mod-provided information in the two-in-one's role PM

[Shmugen]

Boosh. Who did you target last night?

[Gammagooey]

Pretty happy with mattp hammering bella here. have some infoz i need to share but it can wait until after bella claims.

[Gammagooey]

oh right the actual voting thing

Vote: Bella

[Gammagooey]

oh and also there's only one kill?
sooo peta we're probably still killing bella today but knowing who you jailkept would be nice.

[petapan]

ehh i contemplated bluffing this but i don't want to mislead people so - i didn't actually jail anyone last night. i can only use my jailkeeping power a limited number of times and i decided to conserve it. so either nuwen got double-shot or something else stopped a kill.

[Seraphim]

Vote: Bella

This is as good a plan as any.

[Minimum]

Hmm.

-Bella, if MattP ever reaches L-1, will you promise to hammer him?
-MattP, if Bella reaches L-1, will you promise to hammer her?

If there's another person who can block active/factional abilties, I think enough scum are down that it's worth it to counterclaim petapan...but I'm pretty sure that if Bella and MattP both flip town, then the liar is likely MagnaofIllusion and

not

petapan. (Actually, I'd probably feel this way even without petapan's claim.)

(By the way, MoI, since you apparently weren't reading between the lines before...the "similarity" I noticed to ASoS? The fact that you were widely seen as protown and trusted...and ended up nightkilled on N2, thus saving me the trouble of trying to make a case on you. )

[Minimum]

Speaking of which, what's the point of giving MoI a pool of three if one of the players has a role that's mod-confirmed to be in the set-up?

Also, just double-checked the opening post:

If there's another person who can block

active/

factional abilties

[Shmugen]

I cannot counterclaim Peta, but I can potentially claim responsibility for the lack of two kills last night.

[Gammagooey]

don't really see why you'd say that now when it's probably not going to change who we're lynching but sure fine whatever

[MattP]

Been out all day, just getting on to say that I would hammer Bella but I am going through those games of her and MoI

I want to compare her tone in those games with her tone in this game.

[Flash]

MoI's 1/3 thing is still bullshit, and no matter what way I look at it I can't find a good mattp/bella line given that I think that. I'm against this plan.

[Shmugen]

Considering the actions of today and tomorrow hinge on MoI's 1/3 thing, if it is bullshit and he's town, it is very in his best interest to tell us so when he returns. If he is telling the truth, we're in good shape. One kill last night and confirmed scum lynch today or tomorrow.

[Gammagooey]

yeaaaah I KIND of want to have MoI hammer bella instead of matt just because i have a stronger town read on matt but that's largely because I just have a really hard time reading MoI in general.

I also don't think MoI would make this claim as scum though and bella actually looks like scum and bella-scum has the NuwenTown vote of approval for the 1-in-3-scum anyway.

[Bella]

I'm fine with this plan, since either MattP or MoI are scum and we'll find out which either way.

Work out which of them is hammering me, they flip town, kill the other tomorrow.

VOTE: Bella

[Gammagooey]

mmmmmmmmmkay.

bella any opinions on not moi/mattp worth sharing before explosions happen?

[Gammagooey]

also claim from you would be nice just in case there's *shenanigans* going on bella.

[Flash]

I'm fine with this plan, since either MattP or MoI are scum and we'll find out which either way.

Work out which of them is hammering me, they flip town, kill the other tomorrow.

VOTE: Bella

This is a pretty bad trade for the town unless we hit the mafia today. 5-6 town for 1 mafia. (2 today 1-2 tonight, mafia tomorrow, 1-2 that night),
leaves us at 1/1/6-7 which is much worse than 1/2/12

[Shmugen]

Whatever we do, it is certainly not before MoI gets back.

@Flash - (Insert new plan here)

[Gammagooey]

@Flash - (Insert new plan here)

I award you THREE points for saying what I was going to say both before and better than I would have.

[Flash]

My plan is to play mafia. I don't see a logic puzzle solution, I already said that.

[Gammagooey]

who do you want dead instead since you don't want bella
that is the question we are asking

[Flash]

I'm not strongly opposed to a bella lynch. I'm strongly opposed to treating this like a logic puzzle when its likely to end badly. I had a much stronger town bella read early day 1, now shes meh. I haven't been giving the game the time I need to so I can't commit to a favorite lynch target. (I want to say SoO or RC, but I need to review their play with respect to the flipped players).

[Shmugen]

I think Nuwen tried to convince me and I didn't really get it, but depending on how the 1 in 3 goes, it's going to get sticky. If we let it sit much longer, we're going to have number problems and I'd really like it to be out of the way before we get anywhere near LyLo.

I'm happy with MattP hammering Bella, but I could be talked into some alternate wagon with Magna doing the hammering. Him flipping informed would put this whole 'fake gambit' shenanigan to rest.