Mini 1454 - GAME OVER

[Rob14]

Vote Count #4.3:

DeasVail:

marcmann2, jon_h61 (2)

marcmann2:

bubbajack8 (1)

Not Voting:

GuyInFreezer, Nobody Special, DeasVail, kthxbye

With 7 alive, it takes 4 players to reach a lynch.

V/LA:

none

Deadline:

(expired on 2013-07-02 08:00:00)

[GuyInFreezer]

Can I ask what's the case on Juan/DV?
The only thing I have is that not tried to use Juan as scapegoat for fake claim...

[GuyInFreezer]

HOLY SHIT
I FINALLY GOT IT

[GuyInFreezer]

JK.

N1 I was on AJ, which is why I joined his wagon early.

Last night I was on Juan.

He said he jailed AJ N1.
MM2's PR "softclaim" with "hinting" that AJ was jailed N1.

Also he used Juan as scapegoat

HOW DID I MISS SOMETHING THAT IS THIS OBVIOUS

I FOUND SCUM ROLEBLOCKER

VOTE: MM2

[GuyInFreezer]

DV goes next

[marcmann2]

No, I am not scum. I never softclaimed being a JK or roleblocker. I was just reading what notscience said and thinking that there was a sliver of truth in his fakeclaim. Hence my thought that there is a scum roleblocker and they did actually target AJ.

My vote on DV has nothing to do with that post. In fact, DV has shifted my view of that slot from scummy to leaning town. I'm back to square one on who is remaining scum.

Unvote

[Kthxbye]

Yeah, no. I read through my VCA again and yup, it's sound logic.

VOTE: MM2

That's L-1, might want to claim now.

[Kthxbye]

marcmann2: bubbajack8, GiF, KTB (3)

4 to lynch

[marcmann2]

Ok then, but you probably won't believe me.

I'm a two shot commuter. I already used one so I have one night left that I can hide.

[marcmann2]

I used my first shot on night 2.

[marcmann2]

Some thoughts I want to put down in case I get lynched:

What else does jon know? He already claimed a PR, probably a watcher.

I've seen GIF pull tricks out of his sleeve as scum. Doubt it this game, but something to think about.

I have no clue on NS. Meta says town, but could he be playing off of his meta?

I think DV is town and I don't think we have 2 scum remaining. That would leave bubba or KTB. I think KTB is town, so if you lynch me today you should go after bubba tomorrow.

Vote bubba

[Kthxbye]

UNVOTE: <----def not provable but we have some PR's that might be able to clear you maybe.

for NS and to be scum, he would have had to ride not's wagon all the way to L-1 and down again before finally hammering HP. bubba on the other hand wasn't anywhere near either of not's or the other town wagons all day and ended up on the ML.

Logic tells me that at least 1 scum (I'm assuming last at this time) was on the D1 mislynch.

I may be swayed into letting you live yet. MAYBE.

Is an MC in order at this point in the game? We already have jon and GiF outed. If MM2 is truthful, that might be the end of them anyway.

Let's see if GiF or jon have anything to back up mm2's claim.

My VCA is still sound, but seeing as bubba doesn't show up on the VCA till the end, I'm going to pause my rush to lynch MM2 and consider it.

[GuyInFreezer]

I don't have anything to back him up. If he commuted N3, maaybe. But N2, no.

[GuyInFreezer]

Also I don't really believe MM2's claim because I think that both not and MM2 considered Aj being jailkept without even thinking about the possibility of doc save is more than a mere coincidence.

[bubbajack8]

Nope, one scum does the actual kill. For instance, if there are 3 scum (A, B, and C), they talk at night and decide on who to kill and who does the killing. Usually, the person with the least suspicion will kill because town could have any number of roles to see who visits who at night. So if A submits the kill and a town tracker targets B, B appears to have done nothing yet he's still scum and there was still a kill because A was the person who killed. Conversely, if the tracker targets A, the tracker see's A visit (kill) that nights death and knows A is scum but is still clueless on who B and C are. Make sense?

Absolutely not. But I get what you are saying. In EM if there were 3 scum 2 picked the kill (for the majority) and 1 would stay back in case of tracker. (The most suspicious.) If 2 said no one then it would be a No Kill.

That said, if there are indeed only 2 scum left, mm2's p1096 explains why I COULD be cleared. Of course, you have to buy into AJ being blocked N1 and not him simply choosing not to kill. I personally don't kill N1 if I'm an SK to keep everyone in the dark about there being one.

I wouldn't choose to kill N1 as SK either, because if I was vig I wouldn't kill N1. I'd kill N2. For both roles.

I don't mean to keep pointing out the flaws in the logic of those trying to call me cleared, but we need to cover these things as to not miss other things.

Throwing flaws in logic isn't bad.Explaining how you aren't cleared (while not good for yourself) has no scum motivation (except to look town) which I suppose scum has to do. Meh.

Can I ask what's the case on Juan/DV?
The only thing I have is that not tried to use Juan as scapegoat for fake claim...

Considering Marc's on DV I want noting to do with DV. /me just saw updated VC xD

Ok then, but you probably won't believe me.

I'm a two shot commuter. I already used one so I have one night left that I can hide.

Someone explain this claim to me.

I think DV is town and I don't think we have 2 scum remaining. That would leave bubba or KTB. I think KTB is town, so if you lynch me today you should go after bubba tomorrow.

Vote bubba

You literally were just voting DV, and he's said nothing since then. What convinced you? -_-

Is an MC in order at this point in the game? We already have jon and GiF outed. If MM2 is truthful, that might be the end of them anyway.

Who hasn't claimed?

Me, jon, DV, NS and you right? I see no reason to MC, but I don't particularly care either.

[GuyInFreezer]

Commuter makes himself untargetable at night.

[bubbajack8]

Ok thanks for clearing that up. Why would you commute N1?

[GuyInFreezer]

1) He didn't.
2) I once got almost lynched for not commuting N1 as commuter -.-

[Nobody Special]

Last couple of days have been pretty crazy IRL. Catching up:

If I claim, my role becomes less useful. That's why I would rather not claim if I don't need to.

A claimed Commuter is less useful to whom, exactly? You? The only benefit of being a Commuter, that I can see (to town), is that your somewhat confirmed, and can use your towniness for our benefit. Might I just remind you that you're not exactly the pristine example of towniness?


I'm not thrilled with GiF's lies. I tend to not trust players who lie and then "fix" it later. However, GiF is way townier than jon, who still has not answered about his supposed visit to GiF.


KthxBye is, I suppose, acting townie-ish. I don't think he's totally cleared, but he's certainly not acting scummy.

I'm okay with massclaim, but I don't think it's totally necessary today. Tomorrow, for sure (if there's a tomorrow).


I'm good with a marcmann lynch.

Vote: marcmann

[bubbajack8]

That's back to L-1 I believe.

[jon_h61]

I don't have anything on Marcmann.

@ NS What are you referring to in 1118? I watched kthxbye, and Aif visited them. That's why I asked GiF his reads Day 2 including kthxbye as one of my Town reads. I was hoping he was a cop and cleared him. Then when he claimed an even day tracker, that really threw a loop into my read. But kthxbye never died, and there are only two reasons I could think of for that. GiF being Town (which I suspected) or a rolecop who got vanilla. I still feel GiF's Town.

I don't think we really need MC today.

[Kthxbye]

Well, that answers that.

My VCA is still solid I think. If game's not over, I'll look into bubba tomorrow.

As far as Night actions go in the event MM2 flips town, my suggestion would be for Jon to watch GiF and GiF to track whoever he thinks is scummiest and most likely to be remaining scum out of bubba, NS, and Juan. I think bubba is probably the best choice, but as long as jon watches GiF, GiF should live through the night and either have someone cleared or picked correctly and tracked scum. Or scum thinks not killing is in their best interest and let's town win/lose the game through lynches.

The reason I kinda want a MC at this point is because the one mafia member that has flipped, flipped powerless. We have 2 PR's that have flipped and 3 claimed PR's alive. That's 5 town PR's vs 1 SK and 1 scum PR? Something is off with the balance of claimed power if MM2 flips town. Hell, if MM2 does flip town PR, then add jon to your list of those you might want to track GiF.

So yeah, I'm thinking a MC isn't going to hurt as I think all the unclaimed will claim VT. If not, we have some problems (as in more than 1 scum left).

GiF: Tracker
jon: Watcher
MM2: 2 Shot Commuter
KTB: VT
bubba: ??
NS: ??
DV: ??

Yeah, I want this MC the more I think about it. It only gives us more info to go on today ESPECIALLY if someone else claims a PR and has info from that PR they can share.

[bubbajack8]

I guess KTB just claimed? VT as well, I still think we should MC tomorrow.

1. Jon watches Gif.

2. Gif watches whoever.

Mafia has to kill. Pr's can confirm other PR's, Whereas if there's 2 VT claims then the VT's will be CC's (Assuming all Pr's cleared eachother.)

[bubbajack8]

But that doesn't mean I'm not willing to claim today I should point out.

[DeasVail]

I'll get to this properly again later, but should I be claiming now?