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[Luna Fox]

If you wouldnt believe a PR claim at this point why are you giving him time to claim? I know you're already voting and everything anyways, but im curious.

From what i understand, if he claims PR you wouldnt believe it so you'd push for hammer, if he doesn't then you'd still push for hammer anyway. Worst case scenario is that he's delaying the claim then randomly claims PR to makes us scramble and deadline lynch town, so I agree that if he's a PR, he'd have claimed it already.

[Titus]

@Luna,

2) I am not queen of the universe. Town as a collective makes a decision. If I am 95-100 percent sure he's scum, I will say no claim. Basically, only if I feel it would game throw without a lynch would I advocate hammer without claim.

2) By locking into lynch without a claim, we also lose information if a scum fakes a PR. Who unvoted and why?

3) Anyone should be given the chance to defend themselves. A solid defense can overcome a hollow but solid looking case.

[talah]

I'm going to just connect two and two here and hopefully not get 5 (pun sort of intended if there's somehow an SK in the game as well) but if at some stage down the track we do find out it's multiball this could be better than a "hider crumb" to the other scumteam:

talah I'm curious...do you know who I speak of...
these 2 mystery players...

Anyways we've decided on the lynch for today and Zakk's not coming back with a readslist imo. I can respect patience but nothing's happening at the last minute here unless we can get a prod on TheWorst who hasn't posted in

3 days 7 hours

[talah]

@mod - can you please prod TheWorst?

[zakk]

I am not a PR

I am, however, a TV

[TheWorst]

Already got prodded last night, been working on my post since.

I was actually a fan of the Vedith wagon, but it seems like that dissipated already.

Frankly, I'm a bit sick of Day 1 at this point. 45 pages is RIDICULOUS for Day 1, or am I crazy for saying that? That's more pages than most of my games
Anyway, I'm glad we have Catboi the 2nd and all, but at this point I'm ready for Day 2 to start.

Zakk 's recent outburst of posts doesn't strike me as particularly scummy, though it does bother me that he only had the will to start responding once the wagon kicked in, despite the general concerns about him that popped up beforehand. I tried looking through his meta myself since Vedith didn't give me anything before, and I couldn't find a game where he played as mafia. All of his town games had him being much more active as Vedith suggested, so I don't understand what's different about this game that he was more quiet, unless he can't handle two games at once, which I would understand.
And his votes have been less than stellar, obviously, as stated.

But his recent posts still leave me with some doubt despite what I've said. I think there would be better lynches like FA_Q, but there's not much else we can do since there's a limited amount of time left.
Zakk, please claim.

P-Edit: Oh welp. TV means hammer.
Should I hammer now that I'm here? Or just wait for VeeGee.

[Luna Fox]

P-Edit: Oh welp. TV means hammer.

These television roles, are they new?

[TheWorst]

Yeah they are, they're a PR that replaces the TV of your target at night. It detects whether or not the target is either watching you (the TV) at home or is visiting.

Pretty good role, kinda like a weaker tracker. Shame that Zakk claimed it, it's a bit too late to stop the wagon.

[zakk]

You guys really shouldn't be lynching a TV

It's shameful

[Luna Fox]

I thought they worked like Amnesiac roles.
That makes more sense.

[ChannelDelibird]

I expect zakk to flip town, frankly, but I can't muster any enthusiasm to stop this lynch from happening. He might as well just not be playing and it's incredibly frustrating.

[Aj The Epic]

He's obviously flipping town. There's literally zero doubt at this point.

We should be lynching FA_Q2, but apparently town seems to think sheeping Titus is going to work here.

[zakk]

If I'm flipping town, which I am, then as town, everyone should be lynching someone else, and/or no lynching, effectively making me an extra person scum has to kill, or an extra day scum has to mislynch someone else.

If you leave me alive, I promise to play more. I've just been really busy. Ask anyone, check any/all of my games (this one, and the one I'm modding are the only two).

I'm legit. I'm town.

Thanks,
zakk

VOTE: No lynch

[ChannelDelibird]

There's literally zero doubt at this point.

People might listen to you more if you dealt less in pointless hyperbole.

[ChannelDelibird]

If I'm flipping town, which I am, then as town, everyone should be lynching someone else, and/or no lynching, effectively making me an extra person scum has to kill, or an extra day scum has to mislynch someone else.

If you leave me alive, I promise to play more. I've just been really busy. Ask anyone, check any/all of my games (this one, and the one I'm modding are the only two).

I'm legit. I'm town.

Thanks,
zakk

VOTE: No lynch

Fuck this tone you're taking here. Only now, when you are about to be eliminated, are you showing even the slightest bit of contrition for being a non-player for nearly two full weeks.

Fuck a no-lynch, when you could quite easily vote for one of the other people who has votes. That's a vanity vote rather than anything that could possibly help town, and if you've played at all since your join date, you'll be well aware that no lynch is a dreadful idea.

[Vedith]

There's literally zero doubt at this point.

Because scum wouldn't do what he is doing?
Get out of here.

[TheWorst]

... yeeeeah no.

Having 45 pages to lead to a no lynch, nah.
There's nothing I disagree with more than a vote for a no lynch (in most cases), besides maybe the good ol' self-vote.

[Aj The Epic]

They aren't going to listen at this point anyways. Catboi even read zakk as town.

I might be the very slightest bit irked by the wagon Titus has produced on Zakk on a somewhat lacking content due to a slight suspicion on me.
How's that for avoiding hyperbole?


P-Edit: a no-lynch is clearly the worst option. however let me point out his attitude is the exact same that Performer took and similar to Veegee's.

Vedith: This isn't even looking at recent pages, this is the entire game to take into account. The earlier posts he has aren't scum. My suspicions also come from the fact that this is a counterwagon to a wagon led almost exclusively by town reads. The second wagon is generally scum-driven. This is not a good lynch.

MORE IMPORTANTLY: Why does a scum zakk about to die claim VT? He should claim cop or doctor and at least OUT someone. This is a town's death.

[Luna Fox]

MORE IMPORTANTLY: Why does a scum zakk about to die claim VT? He should claim cop or doctor and at least OUT someone. This is a town's death.

I love how i keep hearing this excuse every game, i've seen scum fake claim VTs because apparently some ppl think that somehow makes them town.

[Aj The Epic]

Here's the difference: You all are hell bent on killing him and through the entire wagon he's received no support. He should basically die here just by the way the town is treating it. In that case, the best possible outcome for scum is to claim a power role. If you aren't counter claimed, you're given a free ride. If you are, you kill said person. It isn't even a WIFOM sort of deal here, he's simply a VT, his claim makes no sense as scum.

[Vedith]

If Zakk isn't scum I'm Bill Clinton.

[Luna Fox]

Here's the difference: You all are hell bent on killing him and through the entire wagon he's received no support. He should basically die here just by the way the town is treating it. In that case, the best possible outcome for scum is to claim a power role. If you aren't counter claimed, you're given a free ride. If you are, you kill said person. It isn't even a WIFOM sort of deal here, he's simply a VT, his claim makes no sense as scum.

I'm reading him via his play this DP, i don't care about what he claimed, because... i simply wouldn't have believed a claim he made, and the only way i'd have stopped the vote would be if the claim was something that can be verified.
And about him receiving no support, i'd argue that you and CBD are trying to save him, CDB much less, do you disagree?

[Titus]

I wish I had a vig shot...

[Vedith]

Me too

[Titus]

... yeeeeah no.

Having 45 pages to lead to a no lynch, nah.
There's nothing I disagree with more than a vote for a no lynch (in most cases), besides maybe the good ol' self-vote.

Then it's time to hammer.