Open 631 - Diffusion of Power (Over)

[duppin]

Eh mind telling me why*.

[Ranger]

Why the hell are we all fucking claiming?

Well, because Almost50 is trying to lynch Autti instead of duppin.

I don't see Autti's claim as town, but I also don't see it as scum; there's no strong indicator one way or another as to his alignment.

It's not 'your' game to lose. If this ends up being the case, then all of us (town) loses.

Sure, but the loss would be my fault more than anyone else's. It would also be the scum in {pisskop, Rhaegar} playing a

stellar

scumgame, yeah, and it would be the town sucking, yeah, but I would be the primary cause of the town loss, both because I'm expected to be better and because I'd have led the town to two consecutive mislynches and landed myself as the third for my stupidity.

But I'm willing to take that risk, because I find it infinitely more likely that I'm right, one of {you, Autti} as scum, with me favoring you. (That case is still coming, albeit not at the moment; I still have a couple things that are higher priority at the moment.)

Ranger, if you're going to claim you may as well say what you are.

Fine.

I'm a N5 doctor.

I know you're a doctor, too, because the last scum is going to have claimed cop.
That's because I'm absolutely convinced we're in the 6-doctor, 4-cop setup. Why else would both scum have claimed cop? If we had only five doctors, they could have claimed doctor, yet they both claimed cop. The logic behind this should be obvious enough, but I can explain further if this doesn't make sense.

[Ranger]

conversly if ranger and almost claim doc, then we KNOW for a fact that the scum is a doctor claimer, and all cops are confirmed town, as we would have 6 docs and 5 cops (impossible).

You have that backwards.

We have pisskop as one cop, Kop as a second, Lowell as a third, and then two cop claims: yours and duppin.

We have three flipped doctors, Almost50 as a confirmed fourth, and then two doc claims: Rhaegar's and mine.

One cop claim must be true.
One doctor claim must also be true.

The reason why I'm convinced Rhaegar is town, though, is because if we're in the 4:6 cop:doc setup, scum literally

could not

claim doctor. If they did, then they would eventually be outted as confscum when we had 7 doctor claims total.
In contrast, they could claim cop safely, because then we'd have 5 cop claims total, which is safe.
This would explain why both SnarkySnowman and shotty claimed cop...when claiming a result as a cop is something that is sub-optimal play from them, as shown by how Snarky's claim ended up rather decisively clearing pisskop.

[duppin]

That's actually a really good catch and the logic is good. The scumread on me however is still bad.

It's also still a possibility this is a 5-5 setup, but I definitely agree that it seems veeery unlikely we have 6 cops.

[Ranger]

I don't see Autti's claim as town, but I also don't see it as scum; there's no strong indicator one way or another as to his alignment.

For the record, when it comes to duppin: his claim itself is the same, neither town nor scum.
However, how he treats the claim is scum.

He just accepts that he and Autti are both, conveniently, N5 cops.

While having two in the same night is not impossible, refer to pisskop for why I don't see town just accepting this without hesitation. He just nonchalantly takes it as a given Autti's a N5 cop. While claiming N5 cop. This is why I prefer duppin over Autti.

[duppin]

That doesn't really make any sense though. It's not like he is questioning my claim either. There is just no point to it right now. I've already explained my stance to everything, whether I believe his claim or not (and he mine) is irrelevant.

[Almost50]

I know you're a doctor, too, because the last scum is going to have claimed cop.
That's because I'm absolutely convinced we're in the 6-doctor, 4-cop setup. Why else would both scum have claimed cop? If we had only five doctors, they could have claimed doctor, yet they both claimed cop. The logic behind this should be obvious enough, but I can explain further if this doesn't make sense.

I'm speechless. THIS is why you're GOOD. You do pay attention to details that escape us all

OK.. I think it is Autti, but I'm ok lynching either.

[duppin]

It's more so that I think your play has been more scummy than his. Your point about them claiming cops is very interesting though and a good catch.

[duppin]

I do however not necessarily agree with the 6 doctors, although it is possible. When shotty claimed we had 3 dead doctors and one confirmed cop. If this is 5-5 I don't think him claiming cop is that surprising.

[Rhaegar]

Almost, can you confirm your claim? Thanks

[Almost50]

YES. That's why I liked Ranger's logic.

[Rhaegar]

So 6 doc, five cop. Either 5-5 or 6 doc 4 cop.

Let's lynch duppin.

[Ranger]

I'm speechless. THIS is why you're GOOD. You do pay attention to details that escape us all

<3

I'll be building a duppin case shortly. This game's my top internet priority, though I have a little real-life stuff to do first.

[Autti]

I know you're a doctor, too, because the last scum is going to have claimed cop.
That's because I'm absolutely convinced we're in the 6-doctor, 4-cop setup. Why else would both scum have claimed cop? If we had only five doctors, they could have claimed doctor, yet they both claimed cop. The logic behind this should be obvious enough, but I can explain further if this doesn't make sense.

I'm speechless. THIS is why you're GOOD. You do pay attention to details that escape us all

OK.. I think it is Autti, but I'm ok lynching either.

so like i said early, lynch me, then tomorrow lynch duppin. gg

cool

[Rhaegar]

No, we Lynch duppin first. And then we think carefully about our next step if he doesn't flip scum.

[Autti]

ok then.

VOTE: Duppin

[Rhaegar]

That's L-1 by the way.

[Kop]

Is it hammer time?

[Rhaegar]

Sure

[Kop]

VOTE: Duppin

[Rhaegar]

Crossing my fingers that this is game.

[duppin]

Oh god.

Well it isn't. I am town and not sure why you'd hammer before Ranger gave her case on me, because truth to be told I'm pretty sure she doesn't have a solid case on me - that doesn't mean she is scum though, it just seems she is pursuing the world in where the cop claims are scum and her logic is fairly good. I'm honestly a bit disappointed I was lynched because my ISO is great and it should've been fairly obvious that I was most likely town. I'm also curious as to why people just sheep the unconfirmed town (Ranger) instead of voting with confirmed (Almost). You could argue it doesn't really matter at this point though.

In any case Ranger, as I've already pointed out a 5-5 setup is just as likely as a 6-4 because 3 docs were dead when Shotty claimed. Autti is most likely the last scum though.

rip me

[Kop]

Can we send a search party out for the moderator

[MaxwellPuckett]

A lynch has been achieved and the thread has been locked. I'll be available to process the flip in a couple of hours. I just woke up, nerds.

[MaxwellPuckett]

Votecount 4.03 (final)

duppin [4]: Ranger, Autti, Rhaegar, Kop [LYNCH]

Autti [1]:

Almost50

Ranger [1]:

duppin

Not Voting:

pisskop

With 7 alive, it took 4 to lynch.
Day 4 has ended.