Mini 1742: game over

[Frozen Angel]

plus I can't find a single normal game containing Hider. can you link me one ?

[Frozen Angel]

who were your scum reads again ?

[Titus]

Anyone not me ABR wickan johnny or talah

Don't care. Hider is possible.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Also that hiding joke he pulled from 30 pages ago is super unlikely to come from someone who didn't have a hider pm. He quoted

someone else

too, so he'd have been planning that fake claim for a whiiiiiiiile as scum or just an astoundingly good memory, but him just being a hider (which is a bad role for scum to fake claim) is way more likely

[Frozen Angel]

Also that hiding joke he pulled from 30 pages ago is super unlikely to come from someone who didn't have a hider pm. He quoted

someone else

too, so he'd have been planning that fake claim for a whiiiiiiiile as scum or just an astoundingly good memory, but him just being a hider (which is a bad role for scum to fake claim) is way more likely

oh

[Frozen Angel]

yep that was convincing enough. I need to reevaluate my reads ...

[talah]

@Ice - I like how you think I went back in time to start a poll after self-voting, to make myself look better in said poll. How does that work?

@Titus I'm not sure you get what the list means? People who are expressing okayness with lynching [x] players is a different list I didn't think worth posting. What you're looking at there is folks who are (or were) worth discussing as compromises, because most players didn't have stubborn reads on them.

...annnyway, Wickan you still got intent? Let's get this done.

I'm VT

[ICEninja]

Also that hiding joke he pulled from 30 pages ago is super unlikely to come from someone who didn't have a hider pm. He quoted someone else too, so he'd have been planning that fake claim for a whiiiiiiiile as scum or just an astoundingly good memory, but him just being a hider (which is a bad role for scum to fake claim) is way more likely

Yeah this sold me on being a probhider.

It's annoying too because the ONE time I don't believe the hider claim, it's probably real.

[Titus]

Talah stop self imploding.

[talah]

Egh, I'm happy enough being the compromise. 50 pages in Day 1 in a mini is ridiculous. We need a flip and mine produces a ton of info.

Ice, kindly answer my question regarding my time-travel to make myself look better.

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Anyway, Ice is now the worst vote on my wagon. His case post was garbage. Please read it in detail after I flip.

Looks to me like he and Frozen both saw they were in the top consensus lynches and decided they needed to head for me fast. Neither opposes voting the other. Neither considers the other scum.

So Ice/Frozen, if there's a third it's probably RC.
Best I've got.

I'm done.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Man

[A Simple Plan]

I'm kinda liking this Frozen argument by Talah.

Tell me again why we're on Talah today? I seriously don't see this hitting scum, and I'm not sure I want to contribute. Nonetheless, I'm going to be out of town tomorrow until around this time. If a hammer hasn't happened or an alternate decision hasn't been made, I'll hammer.

[Titus]

We have weeks and you're hammering a read you think is town asp?

[Titus]

If you think Frozen is who we should lynch vote her

[Frozen Angel]

I'm kinda liking this Frozen argument by Talah.

Tell me again why we're on Talah today? I seriously don't see this hitting scum, and I'm not sure I want to contribute. Nonetheless, I'm going to be out of town tomorrow until around this time. If a hammer hasn't happened or an alternate decision hasn't been made, I'll hammer.

what do you like about it? that people conscious thinks I must be the lynch? and btw (you were top of that list remember?)

[Frozen Angel]

the case on talah is this :

- unnecessary appeal to emotion
- self vote
- trying to exclude himself by advertising whats people concious (inverse list thing)
- making omgus on everyone who voted him and voting me because of that
- trying to show his wagon is scum driven - and calling the scum team to ran away from the lynch

[RadiantCowbells]

Seriously though, we should lock the hider down to one target so the information is useful.

If he gets killed with the person being targeted, well, we lost two potential mislynches.

[Frozen Angel]

^ that's what I was trying to say ...

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean like

say Titus is actually town and we lose both Titus and Wickan in one night

I don't see how we could possibly lose after that. So few potential lynches there.

[Taly]

I spent roughly 2 hours of last night creating 3 posts, first of me addressing talah's 1118, the second me dumping the first post halfway into talah's wall and seeing her as town; wanting to unvote, the third of me seeing her VT claim; and her 1184 (Which doesn't look like scum at all, tbh.) and wanting to outline the rest of my thoughts on the previous two posts so people could understand why/if I unvoted talah.

If anyone wants to call bullshit, then I'll happily put the 3 unfinished posts in a spoiler. Merry Christmas.

Can we not hammer or lynch talah?

I mean, I'm not sold on talah being definitively town. And I know half of you are either too apathetic, stagnant, or 'confident' to move your vote...

I don't like this wagon, and the people I did like on the wagon for a few seconds really haven't done much at all - and/or have lost the credit they had.

But Ice's vote makes me want to throw up on myself. (And the post as a whole, there - and my townread on him no longer exists.)

>>>>

If we lynch talah, I want Wickan to hide behind him

despite her flip.

I really don't like half of FA's case. (Her ISO is also mehhhhh)

>

I don't see talah using AtE that much, if at all - plus I don't agree with the concept of AtE itself.

>

I don't see talah's vote as OMGUS, exactly - even if I don't understand the re-vote.

>

So.... Whenever I was pushed to L-3 by Wickan, Titus, and ABR - and calling THEM out as a possible scumteam (before Wickan's claim) - I'm not somehow scum, but talah is?

I can't even read ABRs vote, I think he's possibly town and just breeds apathy like no other at this point.

>I sound like House. ._.

Some of RC's posts I find alarming these past few pages, but he's really low priority compared to other people, and in part to talah herself. Nothing strikes me as scum from him and I haven't had a clear read on him this entire game.

>Now back to talah

- Self-voting to bait yourself to scum can easily backfire and seriously be unhelpful; but I don't exactly see the scum-motivation if it was a reaction test as talah said. Though, this is partially why I want to keep my vote on talah to see the flip; and because we're in 50 pages of the game and this is just getting stupid at this point without a flip - specifically since talah's DOES give a really good amount of information either way, and I really am torn on talah at this point.

Also, the inverse list is very interesting - it's terrible, but useful; that's another reason why I want talah's flip, to see the motives behind it can know what mindset this came from and be able to interpret it late-game.

So there's my head.

I want talah's lynch, but I'd kick myself in the face if she flips town. But I'd be more comfortable with Ice or FA at this point...

But you know. If anyone wants to 1v1, talk, solve, or question me - I'm here.

[Frozen Angel]

I really don't like half of FA's case. (Her ISO is also mehhhhh)
>I don't see talah using AtE that much, if at all - plus I don't agree with the concept of AtE itself.
>I don't see talah's vote as OMGUS, exactly - even if I don't understand the re-vote.
>So.... Whenever I was pushed to L-3 by Wickan, Titus, and ABR - and calling THEM out as a possible scumteam (before Wickan's claim) - I'm not somehow scum, but talah is?

- go back in his Iso him and you will see all those unnecessary emotional stuff which is against his personality .
- he called all the voters scum and then voted me base on the inverse list.
- I'm not scumreading him because of calling out the scum team. I'm scum reading him because he called all his voters as the scum team to ran away from the lynch.

+ I myself called Titus , wickan and talah the scum team somewhere before

your more comfortable with me ? menas you want to see my lynch more than Talah ? if so why aren't you joining him ?

[Taly]

I really don't like half of FA's case. (Her ISO is also mehhhhh)
>I don't see talah using AtE that much, if at all - plus I don't agree with the concept of AtE itself.
>I don't see talah's vote as OMGUS, exactly - even if I don't understand the re-vote.
>So.... Whenever I was pushed to L-3 by Wickan, Titus, and ABR - and calling THEM out as a possible scumteam (before Wickan's claim) - I'm not somehow scum, but talah is?

- go back in his Iso him and you will see all those unnecessary emotional stuff which is against his personality .

Yeah, I saw that when I was making my original reply. It actually riled me up a bit.

But tbh, I can see it being angry town, unless talah tried to attack people; then I wouldn't think it's scum pulling AtE. Plus, the wagon on her did form very fast.

Except for maybe this part, though:

Believe me - I'm never walling in response to you again. Either you give me the Tony Danza or I'm fucking ignoring you.

But then again, I got a similar vibe when talah was upset in the other game.

- he called all the voters scum and then voted me base on the inverse list.

Where was this? She said there were likely 2 scum on the wagon.

I'm not scumreading him because of calling out the scum team. I'm scum reading him because he called all his voters as the scum team to ran away from the lynch.

that makes no sense. 5 people voted talah. Half the playerlist can't be scum. I don't know why you pushed that on the talah case.

+ I myself called Titus , wickan and talah the scum team somewhere before

It seems somewhat destructive to write off that Wickan is scum saying the claim was fake. You even said - for some reason, after Johnny brought up Wickans crumb the second time - that that convinced you to re-evaluate your reads.

So I'm not seeing how you saying that Titus/Wickan/Talah being the scumteam works here.

your more comfortable with me ? menas you want to see my lynch more than Talah ? if so why aren't you joining him ?

I thought I explained this in the second half of my last post. I don't like the wagon, but talah's flip could validate a lot of my suspicions revolving around it. If it wasn't obvious, I'm not clear on some of my reads here. I'm worried that talah could be town - yes, but derailing a wagon where I pushed leading to L-1 seems very unhelpful in itself at this point in the game.

But that's not stopping me from calling out issue I have with other people in association. Right now, I'm figuring out if my vote should stay for good; or change.

Do you have an issue with that?

[mykonian]

votecount

Talah (5): RadiantCowbells, Frozen Angel, Albert B. Rampage, Taly, ICEninja
A Simple Plan (2): JohnnyFarrar, Titus
RadiantCowbells (1): Wickan
Frozen Angel (1): talah

not voting (1): A Simple Plan

Deadline is on saturday the 19th.

[Frozen Angel]

@Taly : I think there are some language barriers here

about emotional part I have no more comment - yes it can be angry town but that self vote wasn't an angry town move. specially there.

Talah (5): RadiantCowbells, Frozen Angel, Albert B. Rampage, Taly, ICEninja

well he called RC ,ABR , you , me and ICE cases bad and scummy and he called a scum team : RC-Ice and me all three are his voters.

so yeah he is trying to show the wagon bad.

and telling us that we're all scum because we're voting him

I said I was telling a possible scum team before. I don't believe it anymore.

and i misunderstood your last post last part that's because I asked it.

[RadiantCowbells]

Talah flips scum we autolynch Taly tomorrow.