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[TunnelVision]

Prod dodge. Swamped, but can post more tomorrow.

- Bauss -

[Flameaxe]

Also dodging, will post when I'm home from workhopefully

[hayatoBL]

I guess show’s over.

I’m Vengeful Townie.

UNVOTE: frog
VOTE: Tunnel Vision

It doesn’t matter if we don’t lynch TunnelVision today, since I’m going to venge-kill him anyway.

I’ve crumbed it here: 364. Though, I don’t see the point anymore.

My Today’s observation:

b) who gives a fuck about tv? he's either vig or sk.

If there's a third party, it's TV

Why (in a setup where there is a third-mafia *and* an SK) does TunnelVision *has* to be the SK?
Third-mafia-TunnelVision can easily claim vig.

Is it clever for the real SK in response counter-claims TV? I think among these two, one is just plain slow and the other is hiding something.

And TV has clearly given up on playing. "It's a matter of time before the last town-PR claims, I might as well be lazy and just agree on someone's lynch."

I don’t think CDB is third-mafia but he could be SK. It feels like he’s trying to make people believe that only TV can be the third party. 1175 & 1191

Both CDB and don promised more reads but they are getting comfortable seeing my impending lynch.

This is the case against me btw: 1171. A “strong” case.

Frog’s vote on me was unexpected. “I think Don is scum, but let’s quicken a town-lynch”.

To sum it up: TV is scum. Either SK or third-mafia, idk. The other scum is between CDB and don. If TV flips SK, then I think it's don. If TV flips third-mafia, both don and CDB are likely scum.



If anyone has questions on why I do the things I did, ask away. I’m VLAing from 7th to 10th. So, I can answer questions until tomorrow. Otherwise, you must wait until 11th. Or we can talk post-game.

If anyone disagree with me killing TV, please let me know ASAP.

[ChannelDelibird]

UNVOTE: Hayato while I think about this. The crumb is pretty good.

[Mac]

HayatoBL [L-2]

- TunnelVision, frog,
TunnelVision [L-3] - HayatoBL,
don_johnson -
Flameaxe -
frog [L-3] - don_johnson,
ChannelDeliBird -

Not Voting: Flameaxe, ChannelDeliBird,

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Deadline is in (expired on 2014-02-13 20:13:42) from now.

[ChannelDelibird]

Why (in a setup where there is a third-mafia *and* an SK) does TunnelVision *has* to be the SK?
Third-mafia-TunnelVision can easily claim vig.

Is it clever for the real SK in response counter-claims TV?

In that situation, the real SK has to have deliberately killed people that TV would have killed, because both of the kills - particularly molla - are kills that fit TV better than most.

I don't think it would be sensible for the real SK to counterclaim TV in that scenario, but I think that scenario is unlikely. TV also looks a lot like someone who is either a vig or has been planning to claim vig from the get-go.

Both CDB and don promised more reads but they are getting comfortable seeing my impending lynch.

I did intend to read more but I convinced myself.

This is the case against me btw: 1171. A “strong” case.

That's not a fair way to describe the entirety of the case against you when your scumminess has been the subject of debate for a long time. The highlighted post is an important, recent part of the case and the biggest driver of my vote. But it is also influenced by the past.

Frog’s vote on me was unexpected. “I think Don is scum, but let’s quicken a town-lynch”.

It's the obvious play for him from either alignment. Given the available information, I had pointed out that we would have had another day tomorrow even if both you and Frog were town, thereby keeping a Don lynch on the table.

[ChannelDelibird]

TV, you now need to clarify how many shots you have.

[ChannelDelibird]

Given how close you are to a period of V/LA, Hayato, why did you leave it so late to claim? Your lynch has been on the table for a few real-life days by now and we have very little time to talk with you post-claim.

[ChannelDelibird]

Doing some brainstorming. I think we probably have to lynch Hayato Today - if he's lying scum, we probably win the game outright, and if he's town, we get a vengekill. We

do

pretty much need that kill to hit scum if he flips town but if he flips town then TV is almost certainly going to flip scum.

I think we can do that. Assuming the remaining scum doesn't no-kill or something, we then get three of {don, CDB, Flameaxe, Frog} in LyLo and I think whichever person dies in that circumstance is a helpful flip to rule out.

[ChannelDelibird]

Yep. VOTE: Hayato. If you're town, venging TV is the right play.

[don_johnson]

I need a little flameaxe.

TV: response?

[TunnelVision]

TV, you now need to clarify how many shots you have.

That's not how this works.

- Bauss -

[TunnelVision]

On the off chance that you are a Town aligned Vengeful, venge killing me is no bueno. The numbers look really poor after that happening.

Though, I rarely expect to see a Town aligned Vengeful as a role. So, that leads me to believe that you're not town aligned and just hoping to swing an unvote and extend your mafia life.

If I'm SK, as many seem to be entertaining, why didn't I kill on N2? Riddle me that. SK is not an easy role to take all the way to win, and you most certainly need to be killing. We have no RB's, no Jailers, no Docs alive N2... so no night action prevented my kill. Logic it through.

- Bauss -

[don_johnson]

TV, you now need to clarify how many shots you have.

That's not how this works.

- Bauss -

tru dat

On the off chance that you are a Town aligned Vengeful, venge killing me is no bueno. The numbers look really poor after that happening.

Though, I rarely expect to see a Town aligned Vengeful as a role. So, that leads me to believe that you're not town aligned and just hoping to swing an unvote and extend your mafia life.

If I'm SK, as many seem to be entertaining, why didn't I kill on N2? Riddle me that. SK is not an easy role to take all the way to win, and you most certainly need to be killing. We have no RB's, no Jailers, no Docs alive N2... so no night action prevented my kill. Logic it through.

- Bauss -

no way town has vig, cop, doc, vengeful, against two goons and what is most likely a gf type role. mafia could have a rb, but that's still not balanced. one of you is scum. hands down. you could have been roleblocked night 2. you could have been stopped by bp gf which, as sk, would mean you know who the last mafia is, hence why I can't trust your call on who to vig kill.

all that aside, most likely scenario here is hayato is scum and that's game. but if he's not, then you are 100% the correct venge kill because haytotown means 100% TVscum. its not ideal, but we can sort the final scum out later.

I doubt this is multi-ball, but if it was, that would be the only scenario in which you could both be town, but the only way that makes sense would be then if aebor and SOS were not partners, but members of different teams, which is making my brain hurt.

flameaxe: please say something or hammer. or say something and then i'll hammer.

[TunnelVision]

Who would've RB' me and not said shit? A town RB? Mafia can't have one, IMO. And if I was SK and knew who the BP mafia was, don't you think I'd have BS'd a better roleclaim than town Vig? C'mon man, give me some credit... SK claiming Vig = you get mafia killed or lynched. Period. Then you don't win. That's it.

If you're sure that me as Vig means 100% Hayato is mafia, then somebody needs to hammer his face and send us to post game.

- Bauss -

[don_johnson]

Who would've RB' me and not said shit? A town RB?

of course not.

Mafia can't have one, IMO.

why not?

And if I was SK and knew who the BP mafia was, don't you think I'd have BS'd a better roleclaim than town Vig?

um. no. town vig is really the most passable roleclaim for an sk. claiming anything else is very risky.

C'mon man, give me some credit... SK claiming Vig = you get mafia killed or lynched. Period. Then you don't win. That's it.

no. sk claiming vig is easy cover. sk claiming vig is better than sk claiming vanilla and then getting lynched. you claimed under threat of lynch. as sk, you were dead anyway. also, you could be bp sk. that would certainly explain the lack of nk on night two.

If you're sure that me as Vig means 100% Hayato is mafia, then somebody needs to hammer his face and send us to post game.

- Bauss -

vote: hayato

pretty sure. really wish you weren't freakin out this bad though. you're givin me the heebie jeebies.

[don_johnson]

venge TV if you're telling the truth.

[TunnelVision]

no. sk claiming vig is easy cover. sk claiming vig is better than sk claiming vanilla and then getting lynched. you claimed under threat of lynch. as sk, you were dead anyway. also, you could be bp sk. that would certainly explain the lack of nk on night two.

Your sig says you're 0-6 playing SK, proof that its a hard role to win with. I can assure you that claiming vig as SK is not the way to win. Sure, it might prevent a lynch on an early day... but you're getting hung or NK'd. You won't make it to end game. In Lylo/Mylo, town is going to hang you with scum help or they know they've killed off all the mafia and you're the only thing left worth lynching.

I play to win, not just to avoid a lynch D3 and lose in the end.

- Bauss -

[Mac]

HayatoBL [LYNCH]

- TunnelVision, frog, ChannelDeliBird, don_johnson,
TunnelVision [L-3] - HayatoBL,
don_johnson -
Flameaxe -
frog -
ChannelDeliBird -

Not Voting: Flameaxe,

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Deadline is in (expired on 2014-02-13 20:13:42) from now.

HayatoBL was lynched! He was a

mafia goon!

Town Wins!

All players are now free to discuss the game!

[XScorpion]

Thought we were screwed after the no lynch; very nice.
So...how is this setup not balanced in town's favor?
And TV why did you shoot me? T_T

[BBmolla]

Oh wow we won

[BBmolla]

Who the hell checked this for balance Mac

[Mac]

Checked for normalcy and balance by JacobSavage, N and Cogito Ergo Sum.

My original set up was 1-shot vig, 2-shot cop and a bodyguard, with a mafia roleblocker to counter but we ended up all agreeing on 3 goons, doc, 2 shot cop and Odd night vig. I'll post more thoughts in the morning.

[GuyInFreezer]

And not even a 1SBP/Roleblocker?

(But then, my play was apathetic and shit so I can't blame it on the setup)

[TunnelVision]

Thought we were screwed after the no lynch; very nice.
So...how is this setup not balanced in town's favor?
And TV why did you shoot me? T_T

Sorry man. I reread you like three times before calling that kill. Got a funny vibe, and I think I talked myself into believing it. I didn't have Rank around to bounce ideas off and made two bad calls.

Sorry to BBMolla too. But I couldn't get past that behavioral change. Screamed scum to me.