Open 562.1: C9++ endgame

[reinoe]

I'm really starting to think Gameplay is scum.

I mean I thought GP was scum before but I think he's cornered scum.

[reinoe]

VOTE: Gameplay

[AngryPidgeon]

I've been trying to decide if riddleton townslipped yesterday re the mafia can't RB and kill on the same night thing.

AP thoughts on this?

Ehhhhh, let me think about that. Let me reread it actually. You might be right actually and Im usually not a fan of townslips like that.

[morph the cat]

Okay, metawall of "bjc as a PR" inbound.

[AngryPidgeon]

I think he's played offsite. possibly extensively. He said something about having played this setup a few times elsewhere.

Oh well then that would explain his confidence in this game at least and may change my perspective a little bit on him.

Knowing that, I think its more likely he may attempt to actively drop fake town tells. Still, looking back on that now..

[Riddleton]

still waiting for that Riddleton case...

I wanted to claim yesterday to avoid any possible confusion and he implied he had strong reason to think Venrob was scum (other than just having a role, at least from what I understood). I'm nervous about him calling Wolfy confirmed when Wolfy is most certainly not confirmed. I'm also a little wary that he instavoted in what he believes to be lylo.

Still, my gut kind of likes him for town for reasons I can't really qualify. I think his play is rather extravagant for a newer player if he is actually scum. I would be ridiculously impressed if he is. So I don't know what I think exactly. I really need to get a better grasp on him when I catch up.

I think he's played offsite. possibly extensively. He said something about having played this setup a few times elsewhere.

You are correct. I've played mafia since 2011 on various forums across the internet. I wouldn't call 2011 "extensive play" but at the same time I wouldn't class myself as a newbie either. I have also played this setup a few times before too - although with the alteration that the the mafia could either only roleblock or perform it's kill, not both - as pointed out earlier.

[Riddleton]

I think he's played offsite. possibly extensively. He said something about having played this setup a few times elsewhere.

Oh well then that would explain his confidence in this game at least and may change my perspective a little bit on him.

Knowing that, I think its more likely he may attempt to actively drop fake town tells. Still, looking back on that now..

It's not a fake town tell. I genuinely made a mistake. Offsite experience is quite different to MS and they have different rules, customs etc. That was how it was played where I was on various forums and it was how I (mis)interpreted that rule on the wiki.

[AngryPidgeon]

The c9++ games I've played on other sites always follow the roleblock or kill rule. I kind of expected it to be the same here. I kind of skimmed over the wiki article and did not pick up on the careful wording there.
I apologise for that, by the way

Oh this is the post that I somehow missed yesterday.

Hm. TBh this does sound rather genuine. I don't doubt that he has played this setup where the rules are what he is describing. Now it is possible that he is scum and realized that it was different and found it interesting, but I think its far more likely that he wouldn't really expect that to give him any town credit. Hes claiming to have read the wiki page anyhow, so I think it probably is more likely he is just town here.

[AngryPidgeon]

Gameplay/Reinoe/Elmo?

[AngryPidgeon]

Morph are you guys still here? Do you have a read on gameplay at all other than based on Riddleton?

[AngryPidgeon]

Okay, metawall of "bjc as a PR" inbound.

Oh cool, well I'll wait for this then.

[morph the cat]

From his egosearch minus his first newbie game or two:

Spoiler: show

Mafia goon, stays the entire time (Day 6): http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=58477
Town 1-shot Dayvig, stays until his death (Night 2): http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=58383
VT, survives to endgame (Day 5): http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=58162
VT, replaces in, survives to endgame (Day 6): http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=51559
Bulletproof, is Endgamed (Day 5): http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=57073
Town Vig, Nightkilled (Night 3): http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=48071
Town Gunsmith (Replaced Out Day 1): http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p5864753
Mafia Rolecop (Lynched Day Two): http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=40595
VT, stays until his death (Night Three) http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=42887
Mafia Goon, stays until death (Lynched Day One): http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=39217
Mafia Goon, stays until his death (Lynched Day One) http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=38094
Oneshot town watcher, stays until his death (Night 5): http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=36653
VT, stayed until death (Day 4 iirc): http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p5802443
VT, stayed until death (Lynched Day One): http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=37632
VT, stayed until death (Lynched Day Two): http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=39353
Mafia Goon, stayed until death (Lynched Day One): http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=36986

TL;DR only one instance of a replace out as a PR, and that was new York 172 where his replace out was due to claiming scuma s town and getting voted for it... and then lurking his way to a replace.

[morph the cat]

So really, bjc doesn't replace out almost at all, unless extremely frustrated. He enjoys drawing PRs over vanilla roles. Was there a ton of frustration early in this game?

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Gameplay/Reinoe/Elmo?

Grasping at straws much?

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Gameplay/Reinoe/Elmo?

Grasping at straws much?

[morph the cat]

Oh and in case it wasn't obvious to everyone and their dog from the altslips elsewhere, 1-shot fruit vendor is just another trashy marquis alt.

[AngryPidgeon]

Town Gunsmith (Replaced Out Day 1): viewtopic.php?p=5864753#p5864753

Oh god, screw this game. I was scum and my team just imploded on like D2/3.

I forgot that he was the gunsmith slot that replaced out? Knowing that, that makes his play here rather comparable actually. He was pretty lurkaderp in that game and got scumread largely for being apathetic and making a joke scumclaim in RVS.

[AngryPidgeon]

Gameplay/Reinoe/Elmo?

Grasping at straws much?

lmao. Ya ok man.

[morph the cat]

Knowing that, that makes his play here rather comparable actually.

That would make gameplay the scum between the two then. That was really the only major niggle ffery and I had about the slot.

[morph the cat]

Town Gunsmith (Replaced Out Day 1): viewtopic.php?p=5864753#p5864753

Oh god, screw this game. I was scum and my team just imploded on like D2/3.

I forgot that he was the gunsmith slot that replaced out? Knowing that, that makes his play here rather comparable actually. He was pretty lurkaderp in that game and got scumread largely for being apathetic and making a joke scumclaim in RVS.

I replaced in to that game long after he replaced out. I didn't remember he had the gunsmith slot, just that he was one of the cast of thousands.

[AngryPidgeon]

Welllll, if GP/Riddleton are both town, then Morph/Elmo aren't a scumteam. Wolfy seems unlikely scum anyways, so I really do think its one of gp/riddle and that RB-slip from Riddle is really tempting to call obviously from town.

[reinoe]

Well I'm headed to work. I won't be able to add anything until much later tonight.

[AngryPidgeon]

Reinoe, are you bussing Gameplay?

[morph the cat]

That's pretty much where I'm at too, yeah. Gp is pretty much confirmed scum, and we ought to send him to whatever the scum equivalent of Valhalla is. (once wolfy checks in)

p-edit: This is to AP's 1220

[AngryPidgeon]

Ok, I think the course of action is tentatively lynch gameplay -> lynch Reinoe -> and then in lylo it'll probably be Morph/Elmo + 1. Whoever ends up there needs to be careful and not just quickvote one.