Mini 2039: uPicketyPicketyPick Mafia Endgame

[RadiantCowbells]

also: do you really think that a person who thinks they have a 'pretty good' chance of hitting IC by day 3 agrees to be lynched on D2? If it was probably between those 2 roles, it would be D3, right?
but if he's scum and his main goal is to just try to look town based on his willingness to die and there's no point he actually gets confirmed, bam makes a lot of sense.

[RadiantCowbells]

just another thing he has done that makes no sense as town and makes a ton of sense as scum. half of the people in this game have pointed out at least one glaring inconsistency, but most of those people haven't voted him.

[RadiantCowbells]

it's funny because NO ONE can actually articulate a reason to scumread me that makes any sense. Elbirn is policy voting me, Chibi IDEK what her beef is, NK15 scumread me for blatantly NAI playstyle reasons
All of those exist for Varsoon but ON TOP OF THAT we have none of his actions making sense based on his claims reads and role, we have him claiming a role that doesn't make sense, making the most scum motivated decisions he can possibly make at every single point that he's forced to make a decision and all of that just keeps piling up and piling up and still everyone's like EHH I DONT REALLY WANNA VOTE VARSOON.

Why?

[RadiantCowbells]

Do I piss you off that much that you would rather throw the game not voting for scum than give me what I want?

[RadiantCowbells]

Is that what this is about? You hate me so much that despite everyone taking turns pointing out that Varsoon's play doesn't make sense as town you're still not willing to vote him?

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm curious, I could really use an explanation here. Because that's what it seems like to me.

[jjh927]

Votecount #6:

Player	Votes	Voters
Varsoon	4	RadiantCowbells, Firebringer X3
Firebringer	2	NicoRobin, northsidegal
RadiantCowbells	2	Varsoon, ChibiBear
mutantdevle	1	Kokichi Oma
MariaR	1	Not Known 15
northsidegal	1	MariaR
Not voting	---	mutantdevle, Elbirn, Nibbui, Gamma Emerald

With 13 alive it's 7 to achieve majority for the lynch

The day will end in (expired on 2018-12-16 10:00:00).

Shouldn’t Varsoon have a triplevote?

No

[Varsoon]

@Nibbui: Radiant's been a pox on the game and has driven town engagement way, way down with how they've played. Every day that we let him survive is giving him a free pass to do this again and again, all while he gets to enjoy subterfuge in the PTs that he would've never outed on his own and the powerups he's gotten from the minigame. Letting RC live any further makes it that much more difficult for town to get engaged and solve the game.

I do admit that I have been complicit in walling up against RC. What's frustrating is that when I tried doing anything that wasn't 1v1'ing him, he wouldn't shut up about it and kept trying to mudsling literally everything I did.

@Gamma: Then why are you still voting for me?
I liked your pre-RC posting a good deal and I think that it's much more likely that scum RC puts you and NSG in a hood with you as town rather than the other way around.

[RadiantCowbells]

What does Varsoon have to do short of literally hardclaiming scum in thread for people to be willing to vote him at this point?

[RadiantCowbells]

If he posted his role PM would you vote him? jw

[Varsoon]

RC,
I challenge you to something that I am fairly certain you can't do.
I bet that you can't shut the heck up and stop posting.
I'll stop posting, too, and we'll let everything said up until now speak for itself.
I ensure you do not win such a bet
You loud
Petulant
Child

[Varsoon]

Like I get that your goal is to flood the thread and piss me off into responding to you over and over
but damn dude
Shut
the fuck
up

[Nibbui]

also: do you really think that a person who thinks they have a 'pretty good' chance of hitting IC by day 3 agrees to be lynched on D2? If it was probably between those 2 roles, it would be D3, right?
but if he's scum and his main goal is to just try to look town based on his willingness to die and there's no point he actually gets confirmed, bam makes a lot of sense.

No, I can see him saying "lynch RC now and me if not confirmed on D2" as town for two reasons:

- He has become just a tunneled/focused on lynching Radiant as Radiant is with lynching him
- He is frustated so he is a bit desperate, biased and tunneling therefore wants to get RC lynched any possible way

In my opinion it can't be helped I'm going to find it scummy though, the overall explanation for his behavior if town would be frustation, and when you give in to frustation although sometimes (and in this case specifically) it would be understadable, it wouldn't be fair to blame town for reading such behavior negatively.

[RadiantCowbells]

Remember when I as scum made that exact post to Chesskid and he refused every time? I sure do. Remember when I was villified for the game being toxic and Chesskid was lauded for winning a game he never would have won if I didn't decide to throw it for the sake of other players? I sure do. I expect you to be villified after this game Varsoon for it turning toxic, hope you enjoy it.

No, I can see him saying "lynch RC now and me if not confirmed on D2" as town for two reasons:

- He has become just a tunneled/focused on lynching Radiant as Radiant is with lynching him
- He is frustated so he is a bit desperate, biased and tunneling therefore wants to get RC lynched any possible way

In my opinion it can't be helped I'm going to find it scummy though, the overall explanation for his behavior if town would be frustation, and when you give in to frustation although sometimes (and in this case specifically) it would be understadable, it wouldn't be fair to blame town for reading such behavior negatively.

WHen you're an IC and can become literally confirmed town you treat things differently. This is one of those things.
You're basically assuming that Varsoon is making the most irrational decisions as town for him to be town while also having a role that doesn't make sense and play that doesn't make sense

just because there is a hypothetical explanation doesn't mean someone's town, I feel like you're looking for any reason, literally any reason to not scumread him

[RadiantCowbells]

idc if you post or not varsoon the single best thing that I can do for this town is finish this cleanly.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like if he hardclaimed scum there'd be a contingent of people saying maybe he actually just thinks he's a wolf but is town, and if he posted his role PM people would try to say he posted a role PM from a diff game

[Varsoon]

RC, your strategy of insisting this isn't IC play when I'm one of the most unconventional players on-site, so much so that my user title references that, is a bit weak.

You keep saying town!Varsoon doesn't play this way! Scum!Varsoon plays like this!
But when was the last time we were actually in a game together?
TAZ, and then what?
Your reference for how I play simply isn't there. You can insist and insist, but when you don't have a logical basis and proof for what you say, it's literally just you trying to be manipulative and lying to people.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Nibbui: Radiant's been a pox on the game and has driven town engagement way, way down with how they've played. Every day that we let him survive is giving him a free pass to do this again and again, all while he gets to enjoy subterfuge in the PTs that he would've never outed on his own and the powerups he's gotten from the minigame. Letting RC live any further makes it that much more difficult for town to get engaged and solve the game.

I do admit that I have been complicit in walling up against RC. What's frustrating is that when I tried doing anything that wasn't 1v1'ing him, he wouldn't shut up about it and kept trying to mudsling literally everything I did.

@Gamma: Then why are you still voting for me?
I liked your pre-RC posting a good deal and I think that it's much more likely that scum RC puts you and NSG in a hood with you as town rather than the other way around.

RC what do you think of this post?

[RadiantCowbells]

town don't describe their top scumreads play as 'a bit weak'.

RC what do you think of this post?

I think that his phrasing is scummy and I think that it's NAI for NSG because if he was scum with NSG he certainly is capable of manufacturing a fake townspew on her.

[Varsoon]

You've completely floundered at providing any hard evidence from my posting as to why I'm scum.
Instead, you've resorted to lying, multiple times, and I've proven you as a liar, multiple times.
Your return strategy to that has been to flood the thread in hopes players don't actually read and see this,
but it's there.

[Firebringer]

[Gamma Emerald]

HOLD UP
Varsoon I want you to claim ALL your modifiers.

[Varsoon]

@Gamma: You mean all the ones I could get from my abilities?
No.

Lynch me or kill me if you want my role to be outted in full like that.

[RadiantCowbells]

ok let's see

1) your role is bullshit and never exists

fact

2) you claimed an obscenely strong scumread and then never really tried to get me through and voted other people, even when others (nk15) were expressing support

fact

3) when i called you out for it, and hard, you reverted and voted me instead and committed to the 1v1 but not when you weren't actually forced into it

fact

4) said ridiculously BS claim has a lot of scum value in the sense that it claims IC (the only thing that keeps you alive through today) but doesn't require you to actually be conftown by endgame

fact

5) when I offered you the single best contingency plan for town!you, lynching you d3 ('pretty good' odds of being conftown by then in your words), you refused and tried to commit to bringing me down to extract some value from a dead slot

fact

6) it is never, ever, ever this hard for me to get a lynch on someone who is not scum

fact



anything else?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Varsoon
Lol k