Micro 503- CD9* Day 4

[FakeGod]

So, instead of leaving you and just killing you at night he decides to attack you because...

You're right, I had zero mentions of you. I was interested in a Runner wagon and his responses make me think he could be town and now I'm interested in doing something else. I fail to see where I seek support for voting you.

It's dumb because it relies on the doc staying alive.

Nah. I read your past games. You are confident in your play. You would engage and play aggressively.

re: plan - You clearly didn't do the math. If you're going to make comments like that, can you please do the math first? Thanks.

FG so you seem to have believed the cop claim but are now proposing a no lynch for extra investigations?

Did you read my 26 where I say Esp's probably just kidding?

Because you obviously didn't read it.

This is categorically incorrect.

Pressure votes on inactive slots have never been, and never will be a good motivator. Pressure votes are only effective for getting differing content out of an active slot that is difficult to read either way.

Pressure votes on scum reads are also inherently scummy bc you are aiming to prove your read right to the rest of the game.

Inactives? There are no inactives in this game. Everyone's clearly here to some degree, reading.

Voting them will make them come defend themselves at the very least.

If you disagree with what I'm saying, that's fine, but don't expect to change my opinions.

[FakeGod]

Sounds kinda risky though, also we won't get any decent flips to help with reads/cop investigations

Assuming we don't lose PRs this would work pretty well I'm imagining, but I don't feel very confident that this'll workout well tbh

Especially since we're gonna NL, it'd be extra useful to have a cop investigation so that we can base D2 reads on something, instead of walking into D2 with scum killing obvtown or smth like that. I mean, looking at the numbers this seems like a pretty good plan, but thinking about playing through it doesn't sounds like a very good idea. I wouldn't like being blind until D3 yknow

Scum can't just kill obvtown. We have a doctor.

Numbers work out, yes.

In theory, this is a good plan, but I understand why someone might have concerns with a plan like that.

[FakeGod]

BBT talk to me about that FG vote

I see FG spending most of his time talking about set up spec and not enough time scum hunting.

You should go read my games.

Last 4 out of 5 games or so of mine, I opened with setup spec. I was town in every single one.

[FakeGod]

FG talk to me about your vote and why it's still on Gray

It's a RVS vote.

Who do you think I should move it to? Maybe you can help me, because I don't really see anyone that I

obviously

should be voting at the moment.

[FakeGod]

FakeGod do you still stand by your plan to want to NL both days? It has a few glaring holes in it which makes me suspect, but it feels weird that what seems like such a bad plan would come from a player such as yourself, let alone the creator of this setup.

You call it "such a bad plan", yet, I seriously doubt you actually went and did the math?

Numbers work out fine, man.

[FakeGod]

Off-topic comment/

VOTE: fg

fg why are u so mean

Every player who has called me mean has flipped town as far as I remember.

I guess we'll see if it holds true in this game.

[YurikoJasmine]

@espe:

what have i been ignoring and what exactly have you contributed to the game so far to make you obvtown?

Off-topic comment/

VOTE: fg

fg why are u so mean

Every player who has called me mean has flipped town as far as I remember.

I guess we'll see if it holds true in this game.

this somehow pings me badly but I cannot name exactly why

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Nah. I read your past games. You are confident in your play. You would engage and play aggressively.

Yeah, you're probably right.

Last 4 out of 5 games or so of mine, I opened with setup spec. I was town in every single one.

I don't care for meta.

[Bulbazoor]

None of the posts up to 18 are relevant because it is rvs and discussion not relating to the game.

19 is a joke, or maybe not. I will see what I can do about it and read the rest of discussion.

21 and 22 are ways to help us increase the winning and it is mostly setup spec that was unneeded because that post barely explains anything in my opinion. How is dahvigging the doc better than having cop out? Can you please explain this?

23 is joking or a challenge at the setup spec that fg proposed.

At 24, he places an RVS vote and states that he thought flippant comments were part of rVS. Maybe an attempt to discredit a claim?

Ok FG is really getting to me now... why would you try to find scum early on rvs votes?

BBT wants a wagon going later on runner. Were you trying to get a reaction wagon or a mislynch wagon?

I can kind of see where 29 is coming from but hot as much as I want to. Think about it, atleast the investigative role is not dead anytime soon. Atleast until scum kills the doctor.

Also, fg, if numbers do not matter, why bring them up?

Response to 38... Yeah but why are you not hunting for scum while you are endorsing it?

BBT is town. No question about it.

Flubber responds to BBT with a p bad response tbh. If I was new to scum, then why would I be even posting anything. I would have to be pressured. In fact, I have a wagon on me right now. Yuriko feels town on the last post on this page. Page three btw.

I agree with BBT on 75. I barely understand fg motives here.

The only sign of fg actually hunting is 88.

112 is bad. Esp meant to put runner at Lynch minus one for a reaction.

Yuriko iso 1 and 2 have nothing scummy in them. How is it leaving the options open?
How do I clear yuriko?

I agree with bbt in post 117.

126 and 129 are contradictory to his statements that numbers do not matter. Again, fg, if numbers do not matter than why out them again and again?

VOTE: FakeGod

[FakeGod]

Do you consider yourself a good scumhunter, bulb?

Did you going post by post resulted finding scum in the past, bulb?

[Bulbazoor]

I am a bad scumhunter tbh.

[FakeGod]

Last 4 out of 5 games or so of mine, I opened with setup spec. I was town in every single one.

I don't care for meta.

Unfortunately for your case, my meta becomes relevant, and I will tell you why.

In the games past two years, I have opened with setup spec in nearly every single game that I was a non-PR, in lieu of scumhunting, whether I drew scum or town.

It shows that I almost always open with setup spec in favor of early scumhunting regardless of alignment, which destroys your argument of "FG is scum because he's doing setup spec, and not scumhunting".

It's just something I do as a player. I simply do not think early scumhunting is effective, while setup speculations do need to be brought up early in the game.

It's reflected in my playstle, my current, and past games.

[Bulbazoor]

If you do not think early scumhunting is effective, why use a scumputer?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Unfortunately for you, I STILL don't care for meta.

I don't care if you did set-up spec 1,000 times as town and have not yet done it to date as scum.

I'm going to vote you if you're not scum hunting. It's as simple as that.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

BBT wants a wagon going later on runner. Were you trying to get a reaction wagon or a mislynch wagon?

BBT is town. No question about it.

A mislynch wagon? What makes you think it would result in a mislynch?

Why do you think I'm town?

[FakeGod]

Bulb, look at your ISO.

You vote for Yuriko in 108 asking for more pressure votes, then change your vote before Yuriko even addressed it, all while putting up defensive posts in reaction to Xay's vote.

I see a rather impulsive player who is careless with his vote, and quite concerned with his own survival.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I see a rather impulsive player who is careless with his vote, and quite concerned with his own survival.

And what does this tell you?

[Bulbazoor]

That is asking a simple question.

[Bulbazoor]

It tells you that I am town. You just talk about your meta while you do not care for other meta cases.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

BBT wants a wagon going later on runner. Were you trying to get a reaction wagon or a mislynch wagon?

BBT is town. No question about it.

A mislynch wagon? What makes you think it would result in a mislynch?

Why do you think I'm town?

[FakeGod]

I don't care if you did set-up spec 1,000 times as town and have not yet done it to date as scum.

You didn't read my post very thoroughly.

My point was that it was not alignment indicative since I do it as either alignment, but I see that any more posts addressed to you is going to be a waste of time.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

No, I fully understood your post.

You clearly did not read the last part of my post and instead chose to isolate a section that you could respond to.

[FakeGod]

It tells you that I am town. You just talk about your meta while you do not care for other meta cases.

It tells me exactly what I wrote.

Where are these "other meta cases" of which you speak?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

FG, what you wrote is ambiguous. It doesn't clarify whether you think he is bad town or scum.

Can you clarify please?

[Bulbazoor]

I answered it. It does not affect my read on you. It is asking a question. As for the mislynch, I do not know.

Pedit: It just seems you are obsessed with meta and scumhunting late?