In post 142, catboi wrote:"The purpose of town is not to determine who is scum" - mafiascum user Shinobi, August 29, 2015
Finding scum is only 50% of the game.
The other half is convincing people you're right.
I get the point you're making but, really, come on.
The reads were tossed off, lousy, weak, slapshod, and done with extremely tenuous reasoning, much like everything else you've posted.
Not really.
Let me reiterate this to you a third time:
You were spending time in the thread with an unexplained scumread and you were more content to make snide jabs at people than move the game in any significant direction. It is incredibly basic stuff. I found you to be the scummiest person in the thread at that particular moment and voted you for it.
If you don't feel the need to explain an RVS vote, then how should I ever read you if you won't bother explaining things? Your whole bit about reactions is essentially moot because you have no understanding of my range as either alignment - you're just saying it's scummy because "town wouldn't react that way, only scum would" when you aren't providing examples of me doing either or how it's out of the blue and scummy.
The thing you're saying only applies if you have meta to back it up, which you simply don't have.
Let's break this down:
Shinobi is overreacting to an unexplained vote. <----How and why is this scummy?
Shinobi voted me because he thinks I am useless. <----How is this inconsistent with your earlier posting and how can I only be mafia for thinking it?
I might have overlooked some bits, but those seem to make up the main crux of your case, which isn't really that strong on its own.
"I like the way both of you are thinking about the game" is fairly meaningless (how? about what?), and being "more interested in moving things forward/scumhunting than sitting around and doing nothing." is both vague and worthless, equating activity, essentially, with being a town-tell (it isn't, scum are going to want just as much as town to move things forward). It's a spectacularly lousy reason to think anyone's town.
No, it's not.
Activity and productivity are far more likely to point to townies than scum. Sure, there are
exceptions
, but as far as early game reads go, I think it's a spectacular reason to trust someone rather than someone who boldfacedly does nothing.
Why on earth would you
ever
think nothing/less of people who do stuff? That doesn't really sound like a good idea, tbh.
And as for being "fairly meaningless," there were two bits that I liked about both of them:
vijay's whole line of reasoning seems to be based on prodding Scorpius to do something, which I was already thinking before he actually posted it.
Spiffeh's whole bit on Kyubei refusing to give examples and positioning himself oddly on the whole "you" wagon was spot-on and insightful, and I liked his line of thinking.
In post 135, Shinobi wrote:Actually, if I'm not town for not answering simple questions, what does that make RC?
Somehow didn't parse that this was @ me, right now null, leans toward town slightly. Not really hard for me to understand the way he's playing at all, I suspect we think similarly. Of course, easy to fake the way he's played so far, but I'd expect that to reveal itself as time goes on. He's all about lynching you, which is points in his favor.
Unflipped associatives are bad because, the reality of it is,
Assuming that I'm town, what then?
And what's so easy to understand about his play? I don't really understand it at all - I see an unexplained scumread and a guy that doesn't care about what's going on. What's so towny about that?
