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Post Post #1250 (ISO) » Sat Aug 22, 2015 7:44 am

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In post 1249, Netherspite wrote:
In post 1248, Ankamius wrote:
In post 1247, Netherspite wrote:Town is often wrong as we can see on the
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If everyone who voted two townies would be scum the game would be too easy.


Yeah, and I guess it's just coincidence that you two were the very first two votes of the Day 2 Dominator wagon, the Day 3 davesaz wagon, and now my wagon, right?


davesaz
ain't confirmed town. Why do you include him in this list? Do you know something I don't?


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Post Post #1251 (ISO) » Sat Aug 22, 2015 7:49 am

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Netherspite literally just scumslipped.

He's the only possible lynch for today now.
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Post Post #1252 (ISO) » Sat Aug 22, 2015 7:52 am

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In no fucking universe does any town who sees a point one of their scumreads' makes looks at it like it was made by town and pick at it.

If he was town and I was scum, he wouldn't have tried to ask about why davesaz isn't conftown; he would've tried to prove my point wrong because I'm not conftown.
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Post Post #1253 (ISO) » Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:32 am

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Funny.
You claim that I try to mislynch you like I did to
davesaz
and
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I point it out that
davesaz
ain't conftown and thus I don't see why do you consider him a 'mislynch' unless you _know_ that he's town because you're scum.
This confirms you as scum.
Now you try to turn my own argument against me. Nice try but it's obvious for everyone that it's you who scumslipped.
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Post Post #1254 (ISO) » Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:46 am

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It's funny because nowhere did I say that any of us were confirmed town for that reason.
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Post Post #1255 (ISO) » Sat Aug 22, 2015 10:10 am

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Calling it a mislynch wagon implies the wagon is on a conftown.
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Post Post #1256 (ISO) » Sat Aug 22, 2015 11:19 am

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Ankamius is correct.

Netherspite just scumslipped by revealing that he knows that Ankamius is as much confirmed town as Dominator by creating a dichotomy wherein Dom/Ankamius were somehow separate from Davesaz.

In other words, Netherspite consented to Ankamius's self description as confirmed town.

Anyone voting anyone else from this point on is scumclaiming.
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Post Post #1257 (ISO) » Sat Aug 22, 2015 11:28 am

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This is ridiculous.
Ankamius scumslips and you say that it's me who scumslipped?
There is no way you can be that wrong as town.
RC is obvscum as well. I was wrong about him.
Any town not voting ankamius today and RC tomorrow is playing against wincon.
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Post Post #1258 (ISO) » Sat Aug 22, 2015 11:33 am

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In post 1256, RadiantCowbells wrote:
Netherspite just scumslipped by revealing that he knows that Ankamius is as much confirmed town as Dominator by creating a dichotomy wherein Dom/Ankamius were somehow separate from Davesaz.


Also you are putting words in my mouth.
I never opposed Ank and Dom to Dave. I was continuing Ank's thought and he spoke about Dom and Dave. He put them both in 'mislynchee' list whereas Dave was never conftown and thus Ank couldn't know that his wagon is a mislynch wagon unless he's scum and knows that Dave is town.
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Post Post #1259 (ISO) » Sat Aug 22, 2015 11:59 am

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In post 1254, Ankamius wrote:It's funny because nowhere did I say that any of us were confirmed town for that reason.
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Post Post #1260 (ISO) » Sat Aug 22, 2015 12:02 pm

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In post 1258, Netherspite wrote:
In post 1256, RadiantCowbells wrote:
Netherspite just scumslipped by revealing that he knows that Ankamius is as much confirmed town as Dominator by creating a dichotomy wherein Dom/Ankamius were somehow separate from Davesaz.


Also you are putting words in my mouth.
I never opposed Ank and Dom to Dave. I was continuing Ank's thought and he spoke about Dom and Dave. He put them both in 'mislynchee' list whereas Dave was never conftown and thus Ank couldn't know that his wagon is a mislynch wagon unless he's scum and knows that Dave is town.


Here's an idea: look at my ISO.

I outwardly condemned the Dominator wagon day 2 because it looked scum driven.
I outwardly condemned the davesaz wagon day 3 because it looked scum driven.
I outwardly condemned my own wagon on day 3 because it looked scum driven.

Then I actually looked at the wagons and saw that both you and Alchemist were the first two votes on ALL THREE WAGONS.

davesaz being conftown or not has fuck all to do with any of it. The wagons look like scum, therefore they're town. Not the other way around like you're trying to spin it.
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Post Post #1261 (ISO) » Sat Aug 22, 2015 12:04 pm

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You really need a new tactic if you want to discredit me because the idea that I shouldn't include davesaz in the pattern is awful when you actually look at the evidence in existence.

You're stretching for reasons to keep this wagon afloat because you put all your eggs in one basket, and you scumslipped in the process.

As soon as we get a Dominator replacement and have them caught up with what's going on, Netherspite is getting lynched. There is no second option.
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Post Post #1262 (ISO) » Sat Aug 22, 2015 12:10 pm

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Ankamius's case sucks.

Fact is, Netherspite called Ankamius out for an assumption of Davesaz town in the general case but allowed him the assumption of Ank town in a situation that would involve all players, not just from Ank's point of view.

This virtually guarantees Nether knows that Ank is town and that Nether is scum.
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Post Post #1263 (ISO) » Sat Aug 22, 2015 12:11 pm

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ftr I still think Thesp is the town being manipulated in this situation and pistachi0n is the third scum because the timing of when the wagon on me started is way too coincidental with pistachi0n being wagoned combined with pistachi0n having the really awkward sheep onto my wagon shortly afterwards.

I'm about 90% sure this is the scumteam. If pistachi0n isn't scum, then it's All Alone. I'm wary of Thesp being scum because it's weird for scum to originally be kind of fencesitty but still be more willing to vote their scumpartner at first, then immediately after switch to buddying with them. davesaz is almost certainly town due to the fallout of his wagon, but he really needs to get in here and do something. I'm fairly certain RC is town.

I think this game is as close to cut and dry as it looks. Even if this isn't the correct theory, the amount of mislynch targets scum have will rapidly dwindle depending on how night goes since doctor claiming tomorrow is optimal.
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Post Post #1264 (ISO) » Sat Aug 22, 2015 12:13 pm

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Doctor claiming tomorrow isn't optimal if there isn't a kill tonight. Forgot to mention that.
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Post Post #1265 (ISO) » Sat Aug 22, 2015 3:16 pm

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When did Netherspite scumslip? The reasoning for that is flying over my head. seems more scum slippy, if anything.
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Post Post #1266 (ISO) » Sat Aug 22, 2015 3:20 pm

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ok
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Post Post #1267 (ISO) » Sat Aug 22, 2015 3:51 pm

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Can you explain Nethersprite's scumslip?
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Post Post #1268 (ISO) » Sat Aug 22, 2015 7:44 pm

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@Ankamius, RadiantCowbells


You're so obvscumteam guys it hurts.
Your attempts to turn the world upside down and use
Ankamius
's scumslip as a case against me is pathetic.

Let me explain that again so you may be will finally abandon the hope it'll work.
1.
Ankamius
_obviously_ calls himself town and attempts to put himself into the list of the 'mislynch' wagons because he is playing town here and he won't scumclaim (that'd be against his wincon). There is no reason for him to attempt to put
davesaz
in this list together with him and
TheDominator37
because he is defending himself rather than
davesaz
. The scumslippy thing here is that he chooses
TheDominator37
and
davesaz
to fill his list of 'scum-driven mislynch wagons' together with his wagon in attempt to look townier. I can understand why does he put
TheDominator37
here: he's confirmed town. But
davesaz
can be confirmed town only for the scum and thus if he uses him as a filler for his 'town list' he knows something we don't and thus he's scum.
2.
Ankamius
's scumslip becomes even worse when you look at how he responds to me pointing it out. The most obvious answer I'd expect from the town in his position is "I strongly townread
davesaz
and that's why I included him in the list".
What do we see instead? First he attempts to turn the world upside down and accuse _me_ in scumslipping(!) because I included him in that list while I never did. I find it useless to discuss whether he should be included in the list or not because in his scumslip he obviously includes himself in that list, it was the aim of his whole argument: to put himself in the list of townies to look townier. He is there regardless of anything, he'll be there no matter who else he will include in the list. Thus, I never said or implied he's town.
3. After that he is now attempts to turn it upside down in another way: that he meant that it's the wagons looking scum-driven make targets of these wagons town. However, that's stupid argument as well. First of all, if you scumread 2 players you will obviously call the wagons they have started scum-driven. However, it does not mean these 2 players are any more scummy because you called these wagons scummy. That's "A means B, B means A is worse" argument and it does not make any sense. Second, considering your wagon scum-driven is understandable, however there is no reason to build a whole list of 'scum-driven wagons' to support your argument. The only reason to include more wagons in that list is to build a 'list of townies who those evil scum guys attempted to mislynch' and subtly make yourself more townier by including yourself in that list.

Thus, both of his excuses for his scumslip are not making sense and are only making it worse.
Genuine town would respond like I wrote above. His response does not look like town at all.
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Post Post #1269 (ISO) » Sat Aug 22, 2015 11:36 pm

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Yeah, I'm done talking to Nether for the rest of the game.

If it's not obvious to the rest of the game that he's scum now, town deserves to lose. He's completely warped my argument again to fit his own agenda.
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Post Post #1270 (ISO) » Sat Aug 22, 2015 11:55 pm

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It's you who is turning the arguments upside down to cover your scumslip.

Anyway, it should be obvious to everyone that we just caught 2 scum. Lets start reducing their numbers today.
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Post Post #1271 (ISO) » Sun Aug 23, 2015 12:57 am

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busy weekend

will extend deadline as needed for replacement

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Post Post #1272 (ISO) » Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:42 am

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"Official" Vote Count


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(3): Alchemist21, Netherspite, pistachi0n
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(2): Ankamius, RadiantCowbells
Alchemist21
(1): TheDominator37
pistachi0n
(1): All Alone
davesaz
(1): Thesp


Not Voting
(2): davesaz

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline
: (expired on 2015-08-27 14:20:00)


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Post Post #1273 (ISO) » Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:43 am

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davesaz has been prodded
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Post Post #1274 (ISO) » Sun Aug 23, 2015 1:54 pm

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Nether did not scumslip, and I think it's pretty clear that Ank is scum trying to get out of this situation. Ank's entire reasoning for suspecting me/Nether is that we've been in some of the same wagons, which doesn't mean anything when you actually look at the context of these wagons.

I really think RC is just Town on the wrong end of things here. She may be what some refer to as a Townbeard (Town who unwitiingly and constantly aid scum in a game).

I'm just as eager to see the Dom replacement because I'm hoping for more support for this ank lynch, and most of the posts are coming from the same few players.

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