Touhou UPick 2 - [Game Over]

[zMuffinMan]

the level of indignation he showed re: feirei is way over the top and is way stronger than anything I've seen from him before and so it v strongly points to town RB

two questions (or more like one question and one comment)

where did the initial scum read on him come from? (i.e. was it also meta-based or based on his play?)

and how much of 169 do you remember? because like i said, i see the frustration in being voted by feirei but i don't see the town in his reaction, and what you just said here is giving me flashbacks to the stuff generic tried to pull in 169. i dunno if you remember exactly why he was being town read by the vast majority of the player list, but faking something very simple like that is _really_ fucking easy, especially if people are expecting it of you

[zMuffinMan]

:/ don't think i got mentioned once in either of those catchups

[zMuffinMan]

My PM specifies that I'm a Tracker/Detective though

is this your actual role name? and/or how the fuck does what you described make you a tracker?

[zMuffinMan]

victor, what are your actual reads? there's so much waffle in 1323 that i can't actually tell where you stand on certain people (e.g. i'm unsure what your actual read on RB is, and it looks like you have hanasawa as a scum read but she isn't in the three people you want to lynch today)

[VictorDeAngelo]

victor, what are your actual reads? there's so much waffle in 1323 that i can't actually tell where you stand on certain people (e.g. i'm unsure what your actual read on RB is, and it looks like you have hanasawa as a scum read but she isn't in the three people you want to lynch today)

If you thought 1323 was waffley then just wait until I start producing proper walls

TNE is my top scumread, hence the vote. I would put Bitmap next, then notscience. Unless something major happens I won't be voting anyone else today and they can be town for now.

[GuyInFreezer]

Does Bitmap's claim have any influence on your scumread on him right now?

[Raging Bull]

Prod dodge. Dont have time.

[Kagami]

UNVOTE:

Bitmap claim means scum has to prevent him from getting two investigations, and is thus a terrible lynch even without the 1-shot cop spellcard.

Assuming they don't, he should not test his sanity on someone who will be a known result (varsoon, vezok, myself). With two results, being able to identify two players as same or different alignment is far more valuable that having a single known alignment. If he somehow gets three results (though I'd be very suspicious of his alignment at that point), his sanity will be obvious anyway.

[GuyInFreezer]

Gaiden claimed spellcard cop
Bitmap claimed doublecop
Sakura claimed delayed daycop

That's a hell lot of invetigative roles in this game

[Bitmap]

Mmm, the spell card is one shot btw.

[vezokpiraka]

Let's get back to lynching rb or start a wagon on zmuffin

[Sakura Hana]

Gaiden claimed spellcard cop
Bitmap claimed doublecop
Sakura claimed delayed daycop

That's a hell lot of invetigative roles in this game

One of all of these isn't like the others ♪ It's different from all of them ♫

[Sakura Hana]

From your post.

Gaiden claimed spellcard cop <- Is useful for scum too
Bitmap claimed doublecop <- Is a nice fake claim for scum, however i doubt with my ability scum would've been given a fake claim like this, it feels really trolly from FG to give them a claim that can be countered
Sakura claimed delayed daycop <- It's been proven at least that I have that ability. I never claimed to be exactly a daycop, and all of my posts reference to being "one of my abilities"

[Bitmap]

I'm pretty sure there's a framer in this game now.

[GuyInFreezer]

I don't see any flavor that matches framer though

[SXTLHGaiden]

No, I am not a spellcard cop. don't know where you pulled that from.
I did claim 1 shot character + Role name cop though. this is all on a single card.

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh ok.

VOTE: Gaiden

[Sakura Hana]

Unvote
Vote: Gaiden

I think this is a better place to be on

[Sakura Hana]

Gaiden, you've obviously been reading but didnt unvote nor raised a question wrt Bitmap's claim, why?

[SXTLHGaiden]

what do you mean "didn't unvote"
I haven't been voting for a while.

[Bitmap]

I don't see any flavor that matches framer though

Aya could have the flavor of a framer.

[Sakura Hana]

what do you mean "didn't unvote"
I haven't been voting for a while.

Oh nevermind i thought you voted him when you asked me if you wanted to lynch bitmap.

[FakeGod]

VoteCount 1.26

GuyInFreezer [2] - thenewearth, notscience
VictorDeAngelo [4] -

GuyInFreezer

,

Raging Bullx2

,

Bitmap

pieguyn [1] - GuyInFreezer
Bitmap [1] - GuyInFreezer
Raging Bull [2] - zMuffinMan, vezokpiraka
Varsoon [1] -

GuyInFreezer

zMuffimMan [1] - borkjerfkin
thenewearth [4] - VictorDeAngelo, pieguyn, GuyInFreezer, Varsoon
SXTLHGaiden [2] - GuyInFreezer, Sakura Hana

Not Voting [3]

- Hanasawa, SXTLHGaiden, Kagami

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch

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Deadline is April 21, 2014, at 11:00 AM PST.
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2014-04-21 13:00:00)

[Bitmap]

VOTE: TNE

[pieguyn]

the level of indignation he showed re: feirei is way over the top and is way stronger than anything I've seen from him before and so it v strongly points to town RB

two questions (or more like one question and one comment)

where did the initial scum read on him come from? (i.e. was it also meta-based or based on his play?)

and how much of 169 do you remember? because like i said, i see the frustration in being voted by feirei but i don't see the town in his reaction, and what you just said here is giving me flashbacks to the stuff generic tried to pull in 169. i dunno if you remember exactly why he was being town read by the vast majority of the player list, but faking something very simple like that is _really_ fucking easy, especially if people are expecting it of you

it was based on his play. I couldn't tell what the hell he was trying to do in terms of scumhunting and none of the pushes he was making made any sense. he was pushing on a proven daycop and voted Feirei despite the vote fuckery, and I didn't understand a lot of the angles he was actually pushing (nitpicking on votes, Sakura's Gaiden vote). his initial jump on NS was also really sketchy. I starting having a lot of hesitation bc after asking about it there were a bunch of similarities to his town game (and I didn't wanna fking read him wrong bc the last time we played I incorrectly scumread him and got him lynched D1) - he generally pushes these angles based on votes as town all the time and there was some amt of indignation showing in how he ignored ppl's roles and kept directly pressuring ppl and not giving up on the angles he was pushing, but I didn't think there was anything unfakeable in there

RB has continually demonstrated he doesn't play like this as scum (and besides that it wasn't until just now that I've actually outed this tell even though it's kind of obvious). every single time he always looks for alternative ways out of pressure besides responding directly to the ppl accusing him, but here his anger at being pushed was directly aimed towards Feirei. it's basically the exact opposite of what I'm used to seeing him do as scum, and smth I've seen him do as town several times in response to me tunneling him

why don't you think there was any town in his reaction? do you have any specific idea what you'd be looking for in a town reaction?