Butcher, Baker, Pastry-Maker Mafia - Dogged

[Andrius]

VoteCount

hi im Yakko [3] - tn5421, Toon Fighter, Gammagooey
Gammagooey [2] - Espeonage, Titus

Not Voting [3] - PeregrineV, Kalimar, hi im Yakko

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch.
Deadline for D5 will be April 11th at 6pm PST.

[Espeonage]

I should probs talk about how I am reading everyone right now.

Yakko - town
TN - town
TF - Town
Gamma - Scum
Titus - mebbe scum
PV - null
Kal - mebbe scum

[Titus]

@Espy, If you want Gamma lynched, I am going to need help now. When I am town I cannot persuade anyone of anything. I feel as if I don't exist and nit much communication is happening. No one is giving reasons fot town Gamma or Yakko scum for the most part.

[PeregrineV]

N1 - Tracked Reck, he targeted Titus
N2 - Tracked Espeonage, he targeted no one
N3 - Tracked Gamma, he targeted no one
N4 - Tracked tn5421, he targeted no one

If Reck was mafia filling giver, and gave filling to Sera, his scumbuddy, then this really makes me want to vote Titus.

If Dram was here, he would be shutting you down so hard.

yeah I believe PV's claim regardless of his actual alignment

also I don't actually think PV is faking not reading/remembering/knowing/whatever about Titus's filling and NS's vote on Sera that really really heavily pushed him to claim seems pretty bad so

VOTE: Hi im Yakko

If the filling of Titus-town by Scum-Reck has already been covered, then giving me the post numbers is good enough to get me to let it go. Assuming I read them and are satisfied by what is said.

[PeregrineV]

@PV, What do you think of Kalimar's reluctance of voting Gamma today after wanting him yesterday?

What do you think of Espy's push?

Kalimar explains in 1360. Haven;t looked hard at Kalimar much otherwise.

Espy is confirmed town, so he believes his push is genuine. I see what Espy is saying, but I'm not sure yet on a gamma lynch.

[Titus]

Ok great. I will go grab Dram's posts that highlight what likely happened. We all put poison down at first but when I didn't die, that had to be tossed. UT did die however and he was cop. One of the two scums is a GF. Serph never claimed his filling. I did. Caramel makes the most sense as "make someone scum appear town" to help him avoid TF's track. Rhizo is a mold thingy which we assumed poison but framer also makes sense given my usual inability to play well with others as town.

Given town has a protective role most likely, scum have to be able to thwart the cop.

[Titus]

I mean. As the flips stands, I think it's likely that there's only one faction and an sk, and "burnt" is basically a flavor godfather cuz mold cop. Framer has no utility in cross-faction games.

Okay, first and foremost, unless you wanna run a cannibalistic pastry theory, "eaten" is a kill performed by a non-pastry AKA 3rd party.
AKA SK
Second, we've had no mafia kills N2 and N3. With both the doctor and RB dead, the odds of two mafias systematically missing their kills is slim to none.
Third, Reck tried to fakeclaim burnt cop. Of all the things to claim, claiming something that, if it draws a counterclaim, benefits the opposing scumteam, is absurd. He's better than that.
Fourth, his action on night 1 has yet to kill you, and nobody else has declared infection (which is rather curious, but we were missing some players yesterday). Pretty sure it was framer, the same way Sprinkles was probably an inventor.

"served flambé" is most likely a kill flavor specific to one goon in particular, who is investigation-immune by virtue of being burnt and not moldy.
I already explained this.

oh, and obviously

If anyone has been targetted by reck on Night 2, we need to know. kthx.

On reread, there's actually a decent chance Reck didn't frame because the cop was already dead.

Or, yknow, it's for Rhizopus, has previously indicated, which is a mold, and we had a mold cop, so it's just a goddamn frame.
Holy fuck you guys are allergic to Occam's Razor.

I'm gonna assume Espy hasnt been molded because he didnt say anything in his last 10 useless posts.

Vote: Seraphim

I'd like to hear from Pere.

[Toon Fighter]

No. Let's start again, with explanations.

I was topped with custard.

I assumed it was Reck, as I'd totally forgotten about Sprinkled.

I have no concrete knowledge as to who targeted me (and apologies if my assumption caused issues).

Also, custard is not gross.

Hi. I got filled with Rhizopus filling.

Also

VOTE: Shaft

#481 - SK hunting
#484 - Suggests one kill more than the other is a scum kill.

#484 in particular irks me because there is zero foundation for assuming either one was a scum kill. Yet he assumes the UT kill was scum.

The Butcher, The Baker, The Pastry-Maker Mafia

Modded by Andrius, Backed by esuriospiritus

Filled with Life (8):

tn5421
Espeonage
hi im Yakko

Nobody Special

PeregrineV

Konowa

Titus

Cheetory6

Gammagooey
Toon Fighter
Kalimar

Filled with Death (9):

Shadow Dancer, Neutral Survivor,

formerly

Shadow Dancer, Franzbrötchen (Roleblocker), aligned with The Bakery (The Town)

modkilled Day One.

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Served Flambe Night One.

Toogeloo, Pot Pie (Voyeur), aligned with The Bakery (The Town)

Eaten Night One.

Shaft, Birthday Cake (Townie), aligned with The Bakery (The Town)

Lynched Day Two.

Nikanor, The Seven-Month-Old Cinnamon Bun, Cinn Zeo (Moldy Doctor), aligned with The Bakery (The Town)

, Eaten Night Two.

xRECKONERx, Moldy Cronut (Filling Concoctor), aligned with The Penicillium Mafia

, Lynched Day Three

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Sprinkled Delight, Rainbow Sprinkle Cupcake (Pastry Decorator), topped with

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Eaten Night Three.

Seraphim, Burnt Beignet (Burnt Goon), filled with Caramel, aligned with the Penicillium Mafia

Lynched Day Four.

dramonic, Fireball Cupcake (Townie), aligned with The Bakery (The Town)

Eaten Night Four.

My fullcclaim so far-

Night 3 I received some toppings.

They gave me a 1-shot Doc ability.

I used it last night to protect Espeonage.

No comment on whether I received anything last night.

[Toon Fighter]

SIX: GAME SPECIFIC RULES

I) There are no Cults, Survivors, or Jesters in this setup.
II) This is not a bastard game.
III) Regarding factions:

• The 'town' faction
  is comprised of baked goods and pastries.
  
  The 'mafia' faction(s)
  is(are) comprised of modified baked goods and pastries which are either Moldy or Burnt.
  Any
  third party roles
  are exceptions to this rule.

IV) Each pastry may, unless otherwise told, may be decorated with one 'topping' and may be filled with any number of 'fillings'.[/area]

So, let's track the topps and fillings:

N1 - Reck fills Titus w/ Rhizopus; Sprinkled tops Untrod w/ Rainbow Sprinkles
N2 - Reck fills Seraphim w/ caramel??; Sprinkled tops NS/hi Im Yakko w/ custard (or so he claims)
N3 - Reck Dead; Sprinkled tops PeregrineV w/ (???) (1-shot Doc) (or so he claims)
N4 - Both dead, no more tops/fills

So, in all of this... Some questions pop up.

1) How does Sprinkled flip with a topping (Rainbow Sprinkles)? When was he topped? If both NS/HIY are telling the truth, he must have started already topped.
2) What does Custard do? Hi Im Yakko, claim this please. If Peregrine knows what his topping does, you should know about yours as well.
3) Does the Rhizopus filling confirm Titus as town? As Rhizo is a mold, it could give her a scum boost, rather than a bad thing for a townie. Keep that in mind. We don't know what Caramel does, but it must be something positive for scum as Reck filled his own partner.

[Toon Fighter]

Or we have a second, unclaimed, topper in town. I find that especially unlikely

[Titus]

@TF, while I agree it's theoretically possible, what scum immediately comes in and gave me this boost? It seems more likely that Reck was a scum JOAT that game Seraphim caramel.

Perhaps this is really dumb but we never did this before...

Mod: Can we see Reck's role PM (omitting of course any gamebreaking material)?

[Andrius]

Mod: Can we see Reck's role PM (omitting of course any gamebreaking material)?

No.

[Titus]

Can you at least tell us what he could do?

[Gammagooey]

NS/yakko read is pretty short but it's all I got.

I think NS is scum mostly for how he jumped on the reck and sera wagons at L-1 while seeming to posture himself to make it look like he had a strong scum read on both of them at the last minute. I also don't like his post right below making an excuse for if/when shadow dancer flipped town when he voted him, and his replace out honestly seems like either some out-of-game communication happened or he just made it up for an excuse to replace out, because nobody was commenting on the post he quoted at all.

I'm not actually amazingly confident in this but everyone else seems at least a little town to me, Titus likely got molded by reck and seems to be trying to figure the game out, kali's recent posts about his read on me seems more likely to be a town mindset than NS's stuff at least and just kind of feels genuine, and I don't think Pere faked the ignorance about reck + titus.

I would like more words before anything actually gets decided today but it kind of seems that everyone else feels similarly lost.

You only "figured it out" BECAUSE I TOLD YOU.

I'm not sure if this is a deliberate misrep or not. In any case, if you're town, you certainly aren't showing it.

VOTE: Shadow

NS vote posts-
post 873

post 1186

[Gammagooey]

and since you guys are talking about it I feel like analyzing the toppings + fillings are a waste of time unless we're going to massclaim today, and even if it isn't going over people's play is going to be a lot more helpful.

[Titus]

I'm beginning to think so too. I mean it's obvious from my perspective what has to be here, but that depends on me being town.

I'm rather torn on the Yakko wagon ATM.

It's countering the wagon that conftown wants, and no one's really saying why Gamma's town. Yet, Yakko hasn't done shit. Yakko didn't do shit in Jabberwocky either, but by the time he came in the slot was boned. Maybe that case could be made here.

[Gammagooey]

if you look back at my play regarding shadow dancer I think it's a fairly strong argument for me being town - given that it looks like there's just one scumteam, I think I'm pretty clearly genuinely scumhunting and analyzing shadow dancer's posts around and after the time he's hammered.

[Titus]

@Gamma, I don't by a vig shooting UT. That's the problem. So even if Arguendo you aren't scum with Reck/Seraphim, you could be an SK or multiball on another team.

[Titus]

We can actually test my theory to see who if anyone claims one shot vig and only that role claims. If no one claims to have shot UT, then we know that an SK or second scum team must exist.

[Andrius]

Can you at least tell us what he could do?

I cannot tell you more.

[Gammagooey]

titus, there's been a single extra kill in four nights, with nikanor the doctor having been dead since night 2.

sometimes you gotta occam's razor some shit. there's not a second scumteam or SK here.

[Titus]

titus, there's been a single extra kill in four nights, with nikanor the doctor having been dead since night 2.

sometimes you gotta occam's razor some shit. there's not a second scumteam or SK here.

No. That's exactly what they want. Like I said, we can test the theory. Whoever shot UT steps forward. If they are a one shot vig, outing that player makes it more likely they are town. I wear egg on my face. If no one claims it, we know that I am right.

[Titus]

It's obvious I don't claim it. Do you Gamma?

[Gammagooey]

I don't actually think everyone should be claiming that unless we're massclaiming but I pretty clearly didn't kill UT of all people

[Titus]

That's the only claim I am interested in right now.