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Post Post #1375 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 11:00 am

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Correctly hammering scum, is probably the proudest moment of my mafia career thus far.
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Post Post #1376 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 7:26 pm

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Someone wanna finally explain why my L-1 was scummy btw? Because I don’t fucking but the expressed reasons.
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Post Post #1377 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 7:26 pm

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Post Post #1378 (ISO) » Sat Dec 21, 2019 1:40 am

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I think overall your play wasn’t that spectacular and we were just going for most obvious players
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Post Post #1379 (ISO) » Sat Dec 21, 2019 1:56 am

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It furthered my agenda. Although I still wouldn't have liked the lack of L-1 declaration if I was town.
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Post Post #1380 (ISO) » Sat Dec 21, 2019 3:54 am

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Personally, that wasn’t at all why I voted for you. I didn’t suspect eth0s at that point so obviously my reads were sucking then. Sorry!!
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Post Post #1381 (ISO) » Sat Dec 21, 2019 7:35 am

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I think my reasons had to do with shos associatives. I kinda skimmed the L-1 stuff
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Post Post #1382 (ISO) » Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:00 am

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@Gamma. my reasoning had absolutely nothing to do with the L-1 thing, I’m really confused why you thought this?

But you get cred as the first one to suspect eth0s over it.
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Post Post #1383 (ISO) » Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:07 am

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In post 1380, Amrun wrote:Personally, that wasn’t at all why I voted for you. I didn’t suspect eth0s at that point so obviously my reads were sucking then. Sorry!!
I think the next time I’m in a game where one player who eventually flips scum, does a really weird thing, like allegedly trying to randomly try to lynch a player for a “reaction test”, I’m going to be super suspicious of the player who was targeted.

I was even more shocked that Flicker slot who basically supported this inanity, wound up being the NK. Like did anyone seriously expect that slot to flip town after that? :lol:
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Post Post #1384 (ISO) » Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:15 am

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Killing a50 was my greatest mistake. It was originally gonna be drew because I was getting PR vibes. Idek why I changed to a50, I guess paranoid over his potential.
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Post Post #1385 (ISO) » Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:23 am

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killing a replacement is always a fine move as scum if you're not immediately worried about anyone alive
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Post Post #1386 (ISO) » Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:30 am

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In post 1384, eth0s wrote:Killing a50 was my greatest mistake. It was originally gonna be drew because I was getting PR vibes. Idek why I changed to a50, I guess paranoid over his potential.
In post 1385, Dannflor wrote:killing a replacement is always a fine move as scum if you're not immediately worried about anyone alive
No Dann, I agree with eth0s here. Flicker slot could have been a very easy mislynch. That slot had massive associations with Shos. But in general, if you have no better reason, sure.

@eth0s, Drew would have been a good NK, since as you now know, I was on Robb.
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Post Post #1387 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2020 7:15 am

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In post 1379, eth0s wrote:It furthered my agenda. Although I still wouldn't have liked the lack of L-1 declaration if I was town.
Why though
Legit there was a VC ON THE PAGE
So any hammers were full responsibility of the person doing them
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Post Post #1388 (ISO) » Wed Jan 08, 2020 3:15 am

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In post 1387, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1379, eth0s wrote:It furthered my agenda. Although I still wouldn't have liked the lack of L-1 declaration if I was town.
Why though
Legit there was a VC ON THE PAGE
So any hammers were full responsibility of the person doing them
It's not hard to say someone is L-1 and help minimize the chance of someone getting away with "oh I didn't read/misread the VC" or whatever

In a game that is largely motivated by deception and lies it never hurts to be careful

And it just feels like your argument boils down to "not my problem" which is anti-town in practice
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Post Post #1389 (ISO) » Wed Jan 08, 2020 3:15 am

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In post 1387, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1379, eth0s wrote:It furthered my agenda. Although I still wouldn't have liked the lack of L-1 declaration if I was town.
Why though
Legit there was a VC ON THE PAGE
So any hammers were full responsibility of the person doing them
It's not hard to say someone is L-1 and help minimize the chance of someone getting away with "oh I didn't read/misread the VC" or whatever

In a game that is largely motivated by deception and lies it never hurts to be careful

And it just feels like your argument boils down to "not my problem" which is anti-town in practice
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Post Post #1390 (ISO) » Wed Jan 08, 2020 3:19 am

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Like if someone had "Accidentally" hammered, would I be suspicious of them? Yes.
Would they be the one most at fault? Yes.

Would I feel there is a possibility that that you contributed to foul play? Yes.
Would that feeling be amplified in cases where the hammerer flips scum? Yes.
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Post Post #1391 (ISO) » Thu Jan 09, 2020 5:04 pm

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In post 1390, eth0s wrote:Like if someone had "Accidentally" hammered, would I be suspicious of them? Yes.
Would they be the one most at fault? Yes.

Would I feel there is a possibility that that you contributed to foul play? Yes.
Would that feeling be amplified in cases where the hammerer flips scum? Yes.
I could not vehemently disagree more with this. I am far far less suspicious of quickhammers on scum than town, because it really makes little sense for scum to do that
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Post Post #1392 (ISO) » Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:51 am

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But why? Scum commonly quick hammer themselves to cut the day short and leave less discussion. Therefore partners have the same motivation.
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Post Post #1393 (ISO) » Sun Jan 12, 2020 11:26 am

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In post 1392, eth0s wrote:But why? Scum commonly quick hammer themselves to cut the day short and leave less discussion. Therefore partners have the same motivation.
Not likely, especially on D1 of a micro. Occams Razor says that unless you actually have meta on that player to assume that, Robb’s solve of always lynching offwagon first - unless you have an objectively scummy player - see Dunn in RJN - makes the most sense Ask RC.

However if you have good reason to tr everyone offwagon, then you need to look there but scum and town is far more likely to insta quickhammer town than either are scum. And more often than not - as YOUR play obviously proves here - scum usually makes it a point to hide inconspicuously on a any wagon and not go out of their way to put a target on their back. Scum!me wouldn’t be dumb enough to put a target on myself like that. I would have definitely waited for whatever claim and only bus with consensus. Why? Because I’m not an idiot. :P
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Post Post #1394 (ISO) » Thu Jan 16, 2020 4:25 pm

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