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Post Post #1400 (ISO) » Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:50 am

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Why is he not happening exactly? I bet I can get him to happen.

I'm not voting HD, soooooo?
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Post Post #1401 (ISO) » Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:54 am

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I like how all throughout Nic's ISO, he only mentioned GM once as a leaning town read for weak reasoning, and everything else is just filler without actually interacting with GM

He also threw weak jabs at Panzer without anything even resembling a vote to ever back it up, so I think he was looking for towncred by staying off the wagon.

I know I said Nic townslipped in twilight but...I'm not so sure I can put stock in that anymore.
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Post Post #1402 (ISO) » Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:57 am

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HD wrote:I know I said Nic townslipped in twilight but...I'm not so sure I can put stock in that anymore.

This is precisely how I feel about the Jacob slip you mentioned.
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Post Post #1403 (ISO) » Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:58 am

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In post 1402, borkjerfkin wrote:
HD wrote:I know I said Nic townslipped in twilight but...I'm not so sure I can put stock in that anymore.

This is precisely how I feel about the Jacob slip you mentioned.

Particularly if Nic flips scum, I can't put much stock into that either, that's correct.
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Post Post #1404 (ISO) » Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:29 am

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In post 1400, borkjerfkin wrote:Why is he not happening exactly? I bet I can get him to happen.

I'm not voting HD, soooooo?


I never asked you to vote HD, I said Jacob is very likely town. so he is not happening.!!!
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Post Post #1405 (ISO) » Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:31 am

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And I disagree, so we're at an impasse.

I said I'd vote Jennifer as well. Who are your compromises if you're so worried we're going to need one?
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Post Post #1406 (ISO) » Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:36 am

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No one confident enough to vote at this moment.
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Post Post #1407 (ISO) » Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:38 am

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So how is that not tantamount to you wanting me to vote HD? Do you just want me to vote someone not jacob and you don't care who? (I don't really think this, but you're not being terribly clear right now)
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Post Post #1408 (ISO) » Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:00 am

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Okay, Before i answer that
First tell me, why do you think Jacob is scum and Why HD is not?
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Post Post #1409 (ISO) » Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:02 am

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I am not going to rehash my arguments every time you ask because you can't be bothered to read.
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Post Post #1410 (ISO) » Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:47 am

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Is It a problem making them into a single statments for each person?
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Post Post #1411 (ISO) » Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:51 am

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HD: similar reads to me, pointing out various towntells by several players. Being wrong isn't a scumtell.
Jacob: derping around wrt to several wagons D1 (I talk about this very early in my ISO), that picture he drew, lurksack D2-4. PoE.
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Post Post #1412 (ISO) » Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:56 am

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How do you defend HD for the below..

A) HD didn't push for GM wagon , Who was Scum
B) HD was pushing Panzer wagon, Panzer was town
C) HD was sheeping Cheery Wagon, Cheery was town
D) HD was intiated Doc Wagon, Doc was town
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Post Post #1413 (ISO) » Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:57 am

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borkjerfkin wrote:Being wrong isn't a scumtell.
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Post Post #1414 (ISO) » Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:01 am

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do you think scum normally just go "fuck it, i'm pushing town lynches all game and hard defending my buddies"

that's really really naive if you do.
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Post Post #1415 (ISO) » Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:02 am

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This is pointless!!!!

NIC & Jen - I am counting you both now..
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Post Post #1416 (ISO) » Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:25 pm

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I'm just not seeing HD as scum.

Today has been crazy for me but once I've gotten some test I'll point out the things I saw in Nic's ISO that seem a bit off to me.

I wish I had better reads. About the only thing I can say with relative certainty is that Bork is not scum with Nic (but that doesn't add much because I don't think Bork is scum at all).
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Post Post #1417 (ISO) » Fri Mar 15, 2013 7:07 am

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remember we don't have forever for this game... i guess that this day phase may going to end in a day or tow
Mod, please give us the new vote tally and current day end details


thanks!!
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Post Post #1418 (ISO) » Fri Mar 15, 2013 8:02 am

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Please prod jacob while you're at it.
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Post Post #1419 (ISO) » Fri Mar 15, 2013 9:05 am

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We still have
nine days
before lynch:
In post 1377, CityElectric wrote:
It's now day 4. With 7 alive, it's 4 to lynch. Day 4 ends in (expired on 2013-03-24 21:00:00).


OKAY TOWNIES... I know fatigue is sitting in
... it's so tempting to just give in and end the day because we want to move on. But that's what scum want. We need to
grab a pot of coffee
, go through the game again, and decide what the best action plan is.

MY ASK:
Please read and consider the following on Nic. I went through his ISO to identify what was bugging me, and I distilled it down as much as possible. Input would be appreciated so I can figure out this slot, which will let me figure out the rest better too.

The thing that bothers me is that Nic's shift in reads don't feel natural. For example,
- He said Josh and Venrob were equally scummy. But then when he decides his reasoning for voting Josh was invalid, he doesn't vote Venrob even though he still attacks him. He also doesn't vote Jacob who he voiced some concerns with.
- He puts his vote back on Josh slot says case against Josh was good (err? he earlier said his case wasn't valid because since Josh replaced out clearly he wasn't actively ignoring.) Sheeps HD's case.
- The next thing that bugs me is that even though early on he keeps saying Venrob is scummy, he never votes Venrob/Bork; he never asks people about Venrob/Bork (even though he asks people about other scummy candidates) [And so help me... makes me worry about a Nic/Bork team, but I don't want to be that paranoid. :( )
- says he wants to lynch Jacob more than anyone at one point, but he only briefly votes Jacob and never explains his switch. And doesn't vote Jacob now either which is weird)

For me I've decided I am willing to vote Jacob or Nic today. I won't vote HD, Arc, or Bork today, and likely won't go back to KX.

Jumbled mess of notes on ISO:
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129 - votes venrob/bork
178 - votes Josh for not contributing
201 - says venrob/bork seemed scummy for lack of content but josh is just as bad. Says Josh is scummy for unvoting KX based on Jacob's reasoning. Says he still suspects VEnrob, but Josh is bigger offender.
289 - Venrob and Josh are equally scummy in his mind. But Josh won't produce anything of value.
-->402 - Says found Venrob and Josh equally scummy but Josh was more active posted, so Josh 1st, Venrob 2nd. "However, things have changed quite a bit." Josh was repalced so probably wasn't actively avoiding arguments, which was his main beef against Josh.
- But he does not unvote Josh.
Also,he quotes Venrob and says that his post is really weird but "I'm still not going to vote for him because I know I won't get a response."
- Also says that Jacob is scum or terrible, leaning terrible
- Calls out GM for putting inactive up to L-1 but says "I don't know about this GM case though."
- says gut screams scum at Panzer
405 - unvotes says he meant to earlier. Looks at Jacob and says no sense, bad reasons. BUT HE DOES NOT VOTE ANYONE even though he could vote Venrob/Jacob he was investigating.
497 - says he had nothing on the spencer/panzer slot. Spencer's post was a little strange but first game. ... so doesn't explain his Panzer read.
498 - Asks me what I think of Panzer
516 - argues with Panzer. doesn't agree with Panz's assertions that HD, GM, and Hydra are the scum team.
- defends HD. Says no solid read but case against Josh pretty good. COuld HD be scum? sure but reasons given are weak. [HE IS WISHY WASHY ON HD]
- GM leans town. - Jacob leans town. - Josh did not seem town. - Calls Panzer scum.Focuses on scum Panzer, but then says he's not going to vote him.
- votes Jennifer "The case against Josh was good, and you have done nothing to dominish my suspicion of your slot." <-- bAAAAD
530 - says jenn scum because ignoring scummier player for bad case on GM.
592 - Agrees with HD that Panzer is scum, but questions why go after Panzer instead of Jennifer
598 - says Panz and Jenn both scum.
705, 709, 715 - solely defensive posting
720 - says might do panz lynch but not sure why HD thinks Jenn town
768 - wtf, says expected panzer to live the night,m mason or no. says thought GMvAA9 was town on town... just comes off as defensive on reads.
771 - defensive explaining bad reads
- 807 asks serra re panzer vote. Asks klick and Hydra what they think about Serra defending Josh.
831 - 'good chance Hydra is scum' . gives case on Hydra. [BUT NO MENTION OF VENROB/BORK... has dropped that suspicion]
- defensive says not fence sitting
845 - !!!! says 'I don't think that you can safely count bork out just yet, but yeah he doesn't really seem that scummy to me' ... wtf never explains the shift in read.
846 - Nic asks Hydra read on Serra. Ask Klick on Serra too. [Note not asking anyone re Venrob/Bork]
868 - All of Serra's D2 posts are scummy
870 - votes Serra
875 - says Hydra could be scum with Serra [doesn't explain why dropping scum read on me]
879, 881, 884, 887, 897, 900 - attacks Hydra as scum
890 - asks people if they think serra is scummy
919 - explains why think jenn not scum (serra defending town player for town cred, as looked like the slot was going to be lynched). Attacks Serra.
924 - attacks Serra.
934 - asks HD about scum besides Serra
943 - asks thoughts on Jacob, thinks hydra better chance of being scum, agrees serra is scummy
945 - hydra scummy
962 - prefers serra lynch, will accept hydra. Doesn't want to lynch Jacob
980, 982 - attacks serra
997 - serra scum, hydra likely partner
1016 - reminds not a lot of time (but both trains teed up were on conftown)
1063 - thinks hydra could be scum, says can see Jacob being scum.
1119 - votes HD, later unvotes
1159 - cheery town, jennifer not sure. thoguht town but can't say anymore. Wants to think about hydra scum team
1263 - votes jacob
1271 - rather lynch jacob than anyone else
1308 - votes hydra though says not sure if scummy [never explains why no longer wants to lynch jacob more than anyone else]
1340 - says out of bork, HD, Jacob. probably not bork but can't rule him out.KX weird but will redeem himself. ASks Bork why jennscum
1382 - says will vote HD if HD ignores game
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Post Post #1420 (ISO) » Fri Mar 15, 2013 9:24 am

Post by borkjerfkin »

The one scummy thing I remember going back through Nic's ISO that I called attention to D1 was that his "Here's a huge case on panzer but let's vote jennifer after all that cause why the fuck not" (#516) was AWFUL. That probably offsets that twilight towntell (#760) and points to the lack of a jennifer/niccage team.

Eh, I'll consider Nic (ArcAngel please give an opinion here).

Jacob's better IMO.
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Post Post #1421 (ISO) » Fri Mar 15, 2013 9:27 am

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Alright, read through it and agree with few points.... I am good with Nic Lynch...
Good work Jennifer!!
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Post Post #1422 (ISO) » Fri Mar 15, 2013 11:07 am

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UNVOTE:

VOTE: Nic

I'm still willing to vote Jacob, but I think Nic is scum and we can get consensus on his lynch.
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Post Post #1423 (ISO) » Fri Mar 15, 2013 11:23 am

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VOTE: NiCcage

Lets get done with this....
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Post Post #1424 (ISO) » Fri Mar 15, 2013 11:54 am

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Unvote
- That was keeping NIC at L-1
I want to give him a chance to defend himself!! Don't want someone to quick hammer him!!
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