NY 166: Knight-Errant 18p - Game Over!

[Evil Regals]

Not really sure, this playing is different imo

Before it was a stark difference.

Thanks.

[Evil Regals]

I thought the whole reason why the mods mass replaced was to avoid the meta gaming discussion?

I think Marquis is a huge candidate for being scum, tbf.

I want to see more posts from Meeps.

[Metal Sonic]

Did some selective reading (mostly D3 onwards with some backtracking). This is what I gathered so far:

Shattered Viewpoint claimed mason, Metal Sonic claimed bulletproof. Both are confirmed town in my eyes, the former for obvious reasons, the latter because no matter what the set-up, there would be a PR able to counter-claim if he was lying. This means that we have one of cop/doc/RB/tracker still hidden as well as an SK with 1-shot strongman/2-shot bulletproof/1-shot RB plus 1-shot cop/doc/RB/tracker left unaccounted for.

Beastcharizard claimed to have tried killing KX, and I'm taking it with a grain of salt. If he was telling the truth, I agree that KX being SK is the most probable scenario, but I'm not sold based on play.

I'm looking at zmuffinman and Yraelz for final scum because I have strong reason to believe that Beastcharizard was partnered with one of the people who flaked between D2 and N3. Leaning towards the former because of how the D1 Abdelrahman wagon played out, but have to read more. Maquis has also pinged strongly on several occasions starting with the HD wagon, and would be my first pick if flaker theory is wrong.

More tomorrow, I need sleep.

this guy automatically goes into the town pile


welcome!

[The Knight-Errant]

Vote Count 4.5

KX (3) - Evil Regals, Shattered Viewpoint, Metal Sonic
notscience (1) - zMuffinMan

Not Voting (7) - dopog, notscience, Marquis, meeps, Yraelz, KX, CrashTextDummie

Countdown:
(expired on 2013-10-03 15:00:00)

11 alive, 6 to lynch.

dopog is V/LA until Wednesday the 18th.

[Shattered Viewpoint]

Who is scum NS

KX, obv.


Also, time flies when the thread is dead.

[CrashTextDummie]

I thought the whole reason why the mods mass replaced was to avoid the meta gaming discussion?

Yeah, I feel

just awful

metagaming the mod's attempt to avoid metagaming. *snark*

Either way, the smoking gun is beastcharizard's final pair of posts:

KX is SK. I promise you on this.

I tried to kill him last night.

I was just hammered if I counted correctly so why do i need to keep up my fake-claim? I don't need to keep it up anymore since I have been lynched. I am scum congrats on that. SV is obviously the other power role since I took their fake hammer as signaling that they know I am lying.

I really did try to kill KX last night

and it didn't work hence why there is only 1 kill today. If I wasn't hammered oh well because I was going to be lynched soon anyway. Please lynch KX the SK.

Note the underlined. Singular. This could be interpreted in one of two ways:
1. Beastcharizard carried out the kill himself. Kind of doubful considering his compromised state, with at least one person capable of roleblocking knowing he was lying (the SK).
2. Beastcharizard made the kill decision by himself, meaning he had no one to talk to on N2. This matches up beautifully with the need for an extended N3 and makes a lot more sense to me in the context of his posts. These were spur-of-the-moment twilight posts, stressing the fact that

scum

tried to kill KX and failed. At least that's my take on things.

[notscience]

CTD, it means KX is scum regardless.

[Marquis]

vote kx, please.

notsci, vote kx

[CrashTextDummie]

CTD, it means KX is scum regardless.

KX is almost certainly not group scum. If beastcharizard was telling the truth, there's a certain edge to the statistical probability that he is SK, based on the known fact that the SK started with 2-shot bulletproof and applying occam's razor. But there's also the possibility that the SK roleblocked beastcharizard knowing he was lying scum, the possibility that we have a town roleblocker who targetted him knowing he was lying scum and the possibility that he was, in fact,

lying

scum.

Again, I am not sold, and I don't appreciate attempts to rush a lynch when I've barely begun piecing this game together. This goes to Maquis as well.

@KX:
I'd actually like to read a succinct summary of your case against notscience. You have a tendency to brick post and I'd rather not sift through your ISO. I promise to read with an open mind.

[CrashTextDummie]

But there's also the possibility that the SK roleblocked beastcharizard knowing he was lying scum, the possibility that we have a town roleblocker who targetted him knowing he was lying scum and the possibility that he was, in fact,

lying

scum.

Actually, that kind of goes against what I just said in my post before. Goes to show that I shouldn't post when I'm woozy from a severe cold.

I don't think it's all that likely that beastcharizard carried out the kill himself, diminishing the possibility that the scum's alleged failed kill was the result of a roleblock. I may very well end up agreeing that KX should be today's lynch, but again, no rush please.

More tomorrow with a (hopefully) clearer head.

[notscience]

But here's the thing

The odds of him being the SK is higher than normal

And if we take out the SK that's one less NK per night.

[zMuffinMan]

Kind of doubful considering his compromised state, with at least one person capable of roleblocking knowing he was lying (the SK).

what is this referring to, exactly?

Beastcharizard made the kill decision by himself, meaning he had no one to talk to on N2.

where did this inference come from?

[Evil Regals]

But here's the thing

The odds of him being the SK is higher than normal

And if we take out the SK that's one less NK per night.

[The Knight-Errant]

Searching for a replacement for Yraelz.

[The Knight-Errant]

Matias replaces Yraelz.

[Matias]

Hi.

If someone, anyone, could help me with a catch up, that would be fantastic. Just something super simple.

If I get names and prior arguments wrong at first, don't bite me for it. These things take time.

[Matias]

What's up with KX?

Reading backwards through this, but refreshing the latest page for any replies.

[Matias]

beastcharizard claimed to have tried killing KX and failed. Metal Sonic is claimed bulletproof. Is this correct so far?

Any other claims out on the table?

[zMuffinMan]

SV mason.

[Matias]

And SV is the other Mason, right.

I find no reason for beastcharizard to lie if it'll save his team OR eliminate the opposition that wiped them out. Games that include an SK and a faction of Mafia are almost guaranteed to pit SK and Mafia against each other. Assuming KX is SK, killing him now reduces the chance of KX hitting town and severely diminishing our chances of finding the last mafia should there be one.

Vote: KX

CTD, I also see no need for a rush and I don't find putting him at anything more than L-1 is rushing him to his death. I'll be quick on the unvote if we have more to discuss.

Can everyone please give me their strongest scum read and why? It'll help me catch up.

[Matias]

And I mean other than KX, of course.

[zMuffinMan]

if KX is SK, i'm thinking dopog is final scum. notscience and evil regals are pretty strong town reads. abdel, meeps and eddiefenix are not as strong but also strongish town reads of mine. i was considering the possibility of marquis being scum, but after d2 interactions with HD and marquis's reaction to beastcharizard's commuter claim, i'm thinking marquis is likely town.

so dopog by poe kinda. dopog hasn't really done anything that's looked town and has almost no interactions with flipped scum (outside of the occasional mentions here and there).

[Marquis]

KX is undoubtedly the SK, lynch him for happy pointa

SV and MS are conftown

CrashTextDummie is already super strong town, I'm reading Eddie different now

notsci has been town read since day 1 but I'm getting paranoid now so I may recheck

idk what to think of Matias and Muffin so far

yay random readslists

[Matias]

KX is undoubtedly the SK, lynch him for happy pointa

SV and MS are conftown

CrashTextDummie is already super strong town, I'm reading Eddie different now

notsci has been town read since day 1 but I'm getting paranoid now so I may recheck

idk what to think of Matias and Muffin so far

yay random readslists

So no scum reads of someone other than KX?

[Marquis]

there's one mafia left and i'm trying to be practical which is hard with the mass townlurking going on