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Beck · Post Post #1425 (ISO) » Mon Dec 22, 2014 3:19 pm

So apparently there is regular pneumonia and something called aspiration pneumonia. Learn something new everyday.

I see I didn't miss anything...

Thesp · Post Post #1426 (ISO) » Mon Dec 22, 2014 3:30 pm

I am very ready for the claiming to be done. Hurry up, people. Scum want to draw this out as long as possible.

(I'm also increasingly ready to vote for JohnnyFarrar, pending all the things.)

JohnnyFarrar · Post Post #1427 (ISO) » Mon Dec 22, 2014 7:53 pm

Knew it. Beck's early posting was weird but his confidence that he wouldn't be lynched D1 led me to believe he had something to claim, which is why I stopped really talking about him. Needless to say I'm taking this claim at face value and the Llama result with it.

I'm still a VT.

JohnnyFarrar · Post Post #1428 (ISO) » Mon Dec 22, 2014 8:00 pm

Egg and Lissa, what were you holding back about Beck?

Lissa · Post Post #1429 (ISO) » Mon Dec 22, 2014 8:23 pm

I don't recall me holding something back about beck?

Anyway I believe his claim.

Will put more time into sorting things further after Christmas.

Marquis · Post Post #1430 (ISO) » Mon Dec 22, 2014 8:29 pm

Prodded Luca and Llama, official edits and VC when I get on my comp later. Sorry!

LlamaFluff · Post Post #1431 (ISO) » Mon Dec 22, 2014 9:11 pm

So... my claim I guess if its actually needed here?

Luca Blight · Post Post #1432 (ISO) » Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:25 pm

I believe Beck and Llama are definitely Town, and I am Town, this means there are three scum between four:

Thesp, Farrar, Lissa, Egg.

Farrar has struck me as scummy, but Thesp/Lissa/Egg could make sense.

I haven't had a chance to look back properly, but I's like to hear everyone's thoughts.

Thesp · Post Post #1433 (ISO) » Tue Dec 23, 2014 5:05 am

In post 1431, LlamaFluff wrote:So... my claim I guess if its actually needed here?

I'm comfortable with you withholding information at this point if you think that's useful. At this point, I believe Beck (and by extension believe you to be town), and if he's scum then I'm prepared to lose.

I find myself incredibly uncomfortable with JohnnyFarrar, which makes me incredibly uncomfortable with the entire game. I don't think he's scum with Luca Blight, who is my other strong pull. This kind of makes me want to compromise on Lissa (who I think goes with everyone). And I'm extraordinarily uncomfortable with Egg, because of all the "we'll talk about this later" stuff, when it appears there wasn't any special knowledge. I really, really want an answer to this:

In post 232, Egg wrote:Thesp, I think I know why you think you see a connection between Beck and myself. I'm sure it will become clear later. Now just isn't the time to discuss it (and no, I'm not softclaiming masons).

Why did you think I saw a connection between Beck and yourself?

And really, if Luca Blight and JohnnyFarrar are mutually exclusive alignments, it

has

to be Lissa and Egg (presuming Beck as town, and presuming 3 mafia, which isn't certain, but probably how we should be acting at this point anyway). I think I need to re-read to see if that's the case, but my strongest memory of them being dissociated was JohnnyFarrar opening against Luca Blight pretty hard.

I'm also really uncomfortable with the "no result" investigation on JohnnyFarrar, who could easily be a godfather. I'm also uncomfortable with the way Lissa claimed "Town Vanilla" rather than vanilla town. I'm skeptical that she went back and re-read her role PM to get the phrasing, rather than picking it up from the opening page and deliberately using that phrasing.

We've got 8 days until the deadline at this point, but I'd really not prefer us to be making a deadline lynch here. This is especially true if we do have 3 mafia, and none of them vote, as it will take all pro-town players voting in order to secure a lynch and prevent no-lynch (which loses today against 3 mafia).

I think I'm happy lynching Lissa at this point, as I just don't see a scenario where she's town. I really want to hear from Egg, who I want to be town, but am thinking probably isn't. And I want to hear what Luca Blight and JohnnyFarrar think of each other.

Luca Blight · Post Post #1434 (ISO) » Tue Dec 23, 2014 6:52 am

Wouldn't the Godfather come back as Town to an investigation, rather than no result?

I think Lissa is scum and have for ages. Egg is probably scum between Lissa, and the other one is either Thesp or Farrar - probably the latter, but I need to look at that one a bit closer.

I also picked up on Lissa's 'Town Vanilla' thing, but thought maybe I was being a bit too pernickety but if others also picked up on it then maybe there's something in that.

VOTE: Lissa

Luca Blight · Post Post #1435 (ISO) » Tue Dec 23, 2014 6:53 am

Egg is probably scum with Lissa*

Thesp · Post Post #1436 (ISO) » Tue Dec 23, 2014 6:58 am

In post 1434, Luca Blight wrote:Wouldn't the Godfather come back as Town to an investigation, rather than no result?

It depends on how the moderator is running it. I've seen both ways used.

Egg · Post Post #1437 (ISO) » Tue Dec 23, 2014 7:00 am

Thesp, I wish I had my laptop to do the proper quoting and everything but...

On beck, as Johnny said, he was clearly crumbing a power role day 1. He was also showing extreme confidence that llama was town which I took as an innocent result. That's why I asked if llama was his strongest read hoping he'd hint at any other results he might have in case he got nod.

I acted similarly with you because bookings said he had you as town for reasons, then flipped mason. I assumed you were a mason.

Quick thought. Nobody claimed anything that can stop a kill. So we still don't know what happened on the night with no kill.

Also, with beck claiming to have cleared llama, either he's lying which I doubt, the team is Thesp lose a Johnny, or we have two scum. Therefore, I'm fine with a lynch on any of those three.

Lissa · Post Post #1438 (ISO) » Tue Dec 23, 2014 7:15 am

I've never heard of a godfather that gives "no result", that'd be an ascetic? I don't think a no-result godfather would be "normal" by that name, how recently have you seen that, Thesp?

and I guess it's coming down to me or luca. I'll work on making a case for luca scum when I can, and try to figure out his partners out of thesp/egg/johnny. probably thesp/egg, off the top of my head, since I seem to recall thinking johnny/luca partners was pretty implausible, but I want to take another look. And I guess we're kind of doomed already if luca's the townie in him/thesp/egg/johnny, so I'll work under the assumption that he's scum.

VOTE: luca blight

and I think the town vanilla thing is silly and nitpicky.

egg - I gather you mean me or luca by "lose a"? I'm guessing me. either way, you forgot the other one of us two as a possibility

Luca Blight · Post Post #1439 (ISO) » Tue Dec 23, 2014 7:18 am

What makes you say "I guess it's coming down to me or Luca"?

You haven't really scumread me at all this game as far as I can recall, and your mindset right now is purely survivalistic.

Luca Blight · Post Post #1440 (ISO) » Tue Dec 23, 2014 7:21 am

Also, to suggest me and Thesp are partners is absurd. If you had actually been following this game you would have realised this.

I don't really 'fit' as partners with anyone left in this game, which is something Egg (who was scumreading me at the time) admitted earlier.

Luca Blight · Post Post #1441 (ISO) » Tue Dec 23, 2014 7:24 am

I'd still like an answer to this as well, if possible.

In post 1323, Luca Blight wrote:What exactly do you find interesting about 1203, Lissa?

Egg · Post Post #1442 (ISO) » Tue Dec 23, 2014 7:46 am

Auto correct kicked my ass in that post holy shit.

Lissa I meant you. I'm half dead from waking up early today and forgot Luca. So he could be scrum instead of Johnny. So yeah I guess Thesp or lissa is my preference.

Might vote lissa soon but I wanna think first. Mostly making sure I'm not forgetting something obvious.

Maybe this is confirmation bias, but lissas vote seems panicky.

Lissa · Post Post #1443 (ISO) » Tue Dec 23, 2014 7:49 am

Luca - You voted me in Lylo. You've been scum reading me long and hard enough that I didn't think I was getting you to unvote. I don't have a whole lot of experience in 7p Lylo but from what I know this kind of makes it me or you for today and I know I'm not scum.

And yeah I guess it's a little survivalistic. Purely survivalistic no, a little bit yeah. I don't really want to be the game ending mislynch, thanks. Sue me.

And I do need to get myself back into this game, I've been kind of distant from it recently. That's why I said i needed to take a closer look. But if we're both town and the scumteam is Johnny/Thesp/Egg we are essentially screwed anyway.

As for 1203, one moment, I'll go look at it. Phoneposting.

Luca Blight · Post Post #1444 (ISO) » Tue Dec 23, 2014 7:54 am

In post 1443, Lissa wrote:Luca - You voted me in Lylo. You've been scum reading me long and hard enough that I didn't think I was getting you to unvote. I don't have a whole lot of experience in 7p Lylo but from what I know this kind of makes it me or you for today and I know I'm not scum.

And yeah I guess it's a little survivalistic. Purely survivalistic no, a little bit yeah. I don't really want to be the game ending mislynch, thanks. Sue me.

And I do need to get myself back into this game, I've been kind of distant from it recently. That's why I said i needed to take a closer look. But if we're both town and the scumteam is Johnny/Thesp/Egg we are essentially screwed anyway.

As for 1203, one moment, I'll go look at it. Phoneposting.

I've clearly given other scumreads, so I don't buy that 'I didn't think I was getting you to unvote'. I am Town, and if I see you as Town I would unvote. Simple as that. But your response has not seemed Town to me.

It is you who has deliberately made it into Lissa v Luca for this lynch, despite not having a clear scumread on me, as I have with you.

Lissa · Post Post #1445 (ISO) » Tue Dec 23, 2014 7:56 am

On 1203 - You said you were prepared to compromise on tda but he wasn't your first choice. I thought it looked like plausibly a scumbuddy read. I didn't have time to elaborate and just wanted to make sure I got some thoughts out before tda was hammered. It would only have been valid if tad flipped groupscum.

Lissa · Post Post #1446 (ISO) » Tue Dec 23, 2014 8:00 am

Maybe you would have been willing to unvote, I don't know. I didn't think so. I guess I panicked. That doesn't make me scum.

Luca Blight · Post Post #1447 (ISO) » Tue Dec 23, 2014 8:09 am

In post 1446, Lissa wrote:Maybe you would have been willing to unvote, I don't know. I didn't think so. I guess I panicked. That doesn't make me scum.

You don't have a clear scumread on me, therefore think I could be Town, but think me unvoting you is out of the question, despite me stating two other clear scumreads?

I don't follow that. I've shown even in this game that I'm willing to take a step back and look at things - I was voting Thesp earlier and was pretty dead-set on him at the time, but took a step back and realised I was getting ahead of myself, unvoted and looked elsewhere.

Your focus is on saving yourself, not on finding scum, and you pretty much admitted that yourself.

Lissa · Post Post #1448 (ISO) » Tue Dec 23, 2014 8:22 am

I thought you were more set on me than I guess you were. I did panic. I was going to look at things more before I voted, but when you voted me I panicked. I guess that was dumb.

I want to find scum AND save myself. Considering this is Lylo. A few people have said they were scumreading me so when I got a vote before I had a chance to really look over things I panicked.

Now I'm going to stop rambling about it and unvote until I have time at my computer and can do that. UNVOTE: Maybe this is even more dumb than voting you in the first place. I don't think so. I hope not.

Thesp · Post Post #1449 (ISO) » Tue Dec 23, 2014 9:10 am

Lissa feels very inauthentic to me here.

I need to read more on Egg. I'm still a bit hung up on the "connection" language he used re: Beck, but I imagine he's not the lynch today anyway.