Open 577: Hope Plus One! (GAME OVER - SCUM WIN)

[GGG]

Actually forget I asked that. Us arguing is anti town at best.

[copper223]

@GGG
How long have you been playing this game (hold on Dino)?

[theelkspeaks]

GuyInFreezer has requested replacement due to a sudden increase in work responsibility.

[GGG]

@GGG
How long have you been playing this game (hold on Dino)?

On this site I have 2 completed games, overall about 10 completed games. This is by far my worst game I have played.

[copper223]

How familiar would you say you are with the jargon?

[Mathdino]

The GGG wagon being completely unopposed isn't a good sign.

Hmm. This could be explained by texcat bussing, methinks. texcat has a history of hardbussing, and 3G's not only probably the weakest link on the scumteam, but his flip also half 'clears' her.

How does this work when I flip town? Your using pre-flip associative meta to confirm scum reads.

Basically you are saying that because scum tex would bus her partner that I must be scum so the vote makes sense. This only a day after you were arguing that either myself or texcat is scum. You're overplaying the lynch with the nice unvote.

One vote is safe as the second scum bussing would reveal themselves

sigh

[copper223]

@Dino
He is taking his sweet time to answer simple questions though, the second post you linked in particular makes me think he is misusing it.

@GGG
Bussing

[acryon]

You'll have to excuse me if I half skimmed over most of the acryon/copper/TTH wall combat. Not really anything to say other than the hammer discussion is pretty useless (acryon, dude, you argued for a page on why something is completely null. WELL. DONE. I at least kept my argument on copper's play being null to one post, jeez).

To be fair, that certainly was not my intent. I started with a line of questioning toward Texcat to try and get some information, and it mutated into that as I had to explain where that line was coming from.

I do think IK is town though, it feels like one of these that's sooooooo scummy everyone vote type wagons.

Do you have a reason other than this? Or is it just total gut based on the feeling of the situation?

I'm also unsure, but that certainly looked like a scum-slip from GGG.

[GGG]

How familiar would you say you are with the jargon?

Acronyms are hit amd miss but intent to hammer os pretty clear after your first newb game.

[acryon]

How familiar would you say you are with the jargon?

Acronyms are hit amd miss but intent to hammer os pretty clear after your first newb game.

Pretty sure he was asking about bussing.

[Mathdino]

I have no idea what to make of this discussion.

I mean hell, he outright said there must be 1-2 scum 'bussing' him.

But I'm bad at telling whether people are playing dumb.

Anyone else wanna weigh in on this?

[acryon]

I have no idea what to make of this discussion.

I mean hell, he outright said there must be 1-2 scum 'bussing' him.

But I'm bad at telling whether people are playing dumb.

Anyone else wanna weigh in on this?

Searching his post history, I see one time in another game where he mentioned "bussing" and it was in the context of Scum+Scum, so I'm inclined to think it

was

a scum-slip.

[texcat]

I think that there is 1 maybe 2 max on my wagon. I don't see three bussing me.

Of course,

if

it were a scum slip, he would know exactly how many were bussing him. If GGG flips scum at some point, I'm guessing 0 or 3 were on his wagon.

[Mathdino]

I have no idea what to make of this discussion.

I mean hell, he outright said there must be 1-2 scum 'bussing' him.

But I'm bad at telling whether people are playing dumb.

Anyone else wanna weigh in on this?

Searching his post history, I see one time in another game where he mentioned "bussing" and it was in the context of Scum+Scum, so I'm inclined to think it

was

a scum-slip.

Can you quote the post, or is it the same one I posted? Because the one I did has him actually using it incorrectly in his first game.

@texcat: Yes. If he flips scum, his 3 partners were on his wagon.
Legit.

[TellTaleHeart]

Enough trying to convince you though, I'll try to work around you if you want to stay in the rabbit hole.

I said this to FakeGod in our last game because he was being a butthead and not applying himself when I knew he was capable of doing so.

Don't shut down on me. Having these talks are how things are going to get done.

[acryon]

Can you quote the post, or is it the same one I posted? Because the one I did has him actually using it incorrectly in his first game.

@texcat: Yes. If he flips scum, his 3 partners were on his wagon.
Legit.

I didn't actually notice that part of your post. Yeah same one, and from the context I read, it had him referring to Scum+Scum.

@Texcat What??

[copper223]

@TTH
Sure I'm not going to ignore you! It was more of a reminder to myself about the bottom line, spending my time in this game telling you why I'm town here doesn't really help me to win.

@All
I'm not so sure, I'd lean more on it being a misuse of the term because he used bussing for scum choosing to vote no lynch which is kind of weird if you know the definition (distancing yourself from NL?). Dino did you check his alignment in the other game?

@GGG
That meta read you said you were doing on me is something I'd like to hear about.

[acryon]

@All
I'm not so sure, I'd lean more on it being a misuse of the term because he used bussing for scum choosing to vote no lynch which is kind of weird if you know the definition (distancing yourself from NL?). Dino did you check his alignment in the other game?

You're right. I misread the context. He's still alive in the other game, so nothing to talk about there.

Definitely seems a lot less like a scum-slip now, although Tex's weird defense of it in that recent post is now pinging me pretty hard.

[acryon]

I would like to clarify that it wasn't really defense, more of a comment, but it was still

very

off.

[texcat]

Sorry, I don't understand what's weird about it. If GGG is scum, he knows exactly how many scum are on his wagon. And my guess is that if he is scum, he would lie about the number. Just an observation.

[texcat]

NETA: Dino asked if anyone else wanted to weigh in, and so I did, with my observation.

[GGG]

@texcat: Yes. If he flips scum, his 3 partners were on his wagon.
Legit.

i think i was using the term wrong as i was using it to mean all voting for me. Which should have been wagoning.

Now i dont expect anyone to believe me but in a game with 3 scum posting that 3 scum are bussing me doesnt make sense unless i am using the word wrong.

As an aside do scum slips actually work to catch scum. I have found when someone says something is a scum slip its usually pretty null. Do you guys have any examples of it actually working?

[copper223]

@GGG
Many times, the last I remember was wgeurts in newbie game 1543, he said

kill

instead of lynch.

[copper223]

@GGG

Now i dont expect anyone to believe me but in a game with 3 scum posting that 3 scum are bussing me doesnt make sense unless i am using the word wrong.

Yes but you posted 1 or 2 max, not 3. What do you think of Texcat's bad logic then?

@Tex
If GGG flips scum there cannot be 3 bussing him (unless he busses himself) as there are 3 in total, it looks like you are assuming GGG is town while making a statement about what to think if he will flip scum, which could mean you know he is town to begin with and that's why your logic was bad.

What's your read on C+A?

[GGG]

@GGG
Many times, the last I remember was wgeurts in newbie game 1543, he said

kill

instead of lynch.

Really because I have lynched town with this exact slip.