NY129-Mafia on Werewolf Island! (Game Over)

[Pine]

You know, just because you wrote a good article for Cops doesn't mean everything you write in MD is sacrosanct.

[mastin2]

'Course not. My MD work is far from perfect, but you have to admit, all my work DOES have extreme value if you know how to use it.

Like that Guide To Playing Well?

Where I suggested not to get into endless fights with your scumreads?

Following it has allowed me to keep Pine and T-Bone from burying my useful posts in a sea of bickering. I almost fell into their trap, if you recall.

[mastin2]

Now, I'll be back on the

11

9th. Three days later is the

14

12th. That's still

three

five days to get a lynch on T-Bone.

Think that's enough time?

That's DEFINITELY enough time to lynch 'im.

[C-Worl]

You should know that all Pine does is bicker. He loves to do it. But I digress.

More Chrono votes please. Kise I know you see me.

[DemonHybrid]

And I was packing for my ride home and missed another page. Sorry =(

VOTE COUNT

Day 3 Vote Count (#15)

Chronopie - 6 (gorilla, MrZepher, tclawren, C-Worl, T-Bone, Nachomamma8) L-3
tclawren - 2 (implosion, Reckamonic)
Charlie - 2 (Kise, Powerrox93)
T-Bone - 2 (mastin2, Chronopie)
mastin2 - 1 (Pine)
Pine - 1 (ConSpiracy)

Not voting - 2 (singersigner, Charlie)

As a reminder, keep in mind that ANY AND ALL prods do not go away after various game phases. If you need to be prodded and you have two prods, I will start looking for a replacement.

mastin2 is V/LA from Friday, May 6th until Monday, May 9th.
Powerrox93 is V/LA from Thursday, May 12th to Sunday, May 15th.
MrZepher is V/LA until Tuesday, May 10th.

If I am missing anything this votecount, let me know.

Deadline is May 17th, 9:00 PM EDT. With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch and 8 to No Lynch.

[MrZepher]

My bad. I read the 7th. Oops.

[T-Bone]

It's funny that as soon as gorilla says he doesn't see mastin's case he immediately becomes one of mastin's "confirmed" scum again. Please someone tell me I'm not the only one who sees this. Now that Chronopie is voting me he moved off of mastin's possible scum and back to the town list. Someone else has to see this.

Let me tell you where mastin's case on me will consist of. It will consist of posts taken out of context and a previously unmentioned night ability. Funny that mastin needs 3 days to build a case when the rest of us can build cases in a single post. He wants you to believe he has a case when he's just making shit up.

So me and Pine arguing with you is a scum tell mastin but you ignoring facts is protown play? Get out of here and stop being a distraction. Yes mastin you are a distraction and yes that's a huge scum tactic.

[ConSpiracy]

So mastin is gone now, we can finally revive the game again.

T-bone, you read every thing mastin did? I just ignored it.

powerrox, until now you have completely slipped under the radar and I can't recall you doing much other than sheepin others. What is your stance on Charlie/Chrono/Pine?

Chrono, why did you sheep mastin that easily?

tclaw, where did you and Eldrithc lord talk about in your thread? i.e. who did Eldrithc find scummy?

Also something occured to me:
Town has: Seer/Voyeur/Jailkeeper/neighbours. That is helluvalotmuch.
Reck claims to be a PGO
Kise claimed to have a PR.
Isn't that a bit much power roles?

[T-Bone]

I have and all he is doing is seeing what he wants to see, and tellng you what he wants to see. Unfortunately his argument fails to reality. You notice that no matter where I, or Pine, or Nacho, or Zepher, or gorilla put their votes, we are scum because of our vote location? That's a pretty unreal argument and obviously holds no water.

One could say I'm not seeing it because he's fingering me, but I know I'm town and to me that automatically makes his entire argument wrong since his entire argument rests on me.

But happy day, he is V/LA and maybe we can get something done.

About the power roles. I don't think it's too far fetched for town to have X amount of power roles because with two scum teams, they have to have some power too. Didn't Jindori hint at his team having a power role? And didn't he himself have one? If scum have Power roles, then that increases the amount of roles town would have too. It's one thing to claim a power role, it's another thing to prove it. Something Kise hasn't done.

[MrZepher]

I don't think Kise should claim until he absolutely has to.
That's just my gut talking but meh.

What T-Bone said about the power roles, and then you also have to take into account the SK.
Basically it's the combination of: Lots of players + 2-3 Scum factions

[Powerrox93]

To be fair, I replaced in knowing that I wouldn't read much past the most recent pages, but I also announced that so everyone knew my intentions.

And why did you do that, replacing into a game with no intention of reading the whole thread? A replacements should read the whole thread at least once to prevent something like this to happen

Player A "Hey guys I've replaced into this game"
Player B "Just vote for PLayer C"
Player A "Whatever VOTE PLAYER C"
Mod: "Town was lynched, mafia has won! I'm gonna go buy some champange for them now!"

What is your stance on Charlie/Chrono/Pine?

Is it really that hard to miss what I think of charlie?

Chrone isn't my strongest town read when he was trying to get an unclaim from Reckamonic even after RayFrost claimed

Pine is in the neutral area

[mastin2]

Oh, look, I'm V/LA, and suddenly, by magic, you people get stuff done!

Yeah, right.

I'll be gone, come back, and find the state of the game has not progressed any at all. Or--if anything--has degraded.

Like I said. The apathy and lethargy was in this game WELL before I came in. I certainly made it more noticeable, but I did not cause it. You're going to slack off, and get nothing done.

T-Bone, I assure you, my case will be in a single post. But I'm merely estimating the amount of time it'll take to do a case. It took me 7 hours to do a single case in 20 pages. Times that by three, and you get 24 hours, which working 8 a day, will get me done in three days. Oh, and everything I quote? Will be completely in-context. Heck, I'll even link to posts to prove it.

Simply put, I'm not going to let the town slack off, which is exactly what you want. Not only because they don't suspect you in their laziness, but because you have influence over certain members with your BS.

And, oh, believe me. I'll be able to conclusively prove it on my return.

[MrZepher]

^pretentious post is pretentious.
Mastin is border-lining cancer. (jk)

But seriously you can say everything you just said without the "Holier than thou" attitude.
It wouldn't be hard for somebody like me to find scum intent in that post. It'd be kind of a stretch yes but it WOULD make sense.

[Pine]

Mastin is textbook scum-leading-Town.

[MrZepher]

I've opted to ignore him, generally speaking. Obviously I'm taking into account what he's saying, but until he posts a legitimate case on somebody without the air of trying to manipulate and/or sway the town to mislynch I'm just skimming his posts for things of interest should I need to make a case on him later.

This isn't town optimal play, I'm aware, but Mastin kind of needs to just figure it out...
I would PREFER that we didn't take the next two weeks just to be made aware of reads and cases I already had.

[mastin2]

Holier-than-thou attitudes imply that I'm wrong.

Seriously. You guys are lynching a lurker.

LURKER.

Of which, there are several.

Singer.
Charlie. (Who WAS wagoned [WTF?], but fortunately you people came to your senses on that.)
Chronopie, your current top pick, apparently.
Lowell, who got replaced by me due to inactivity.
Nacho, too.
As of recently, implosion.
I could argue Powerrox is a lurker, too, due to having the same number of posts as implosion. (I don't really think so, but still.)

Heck, that's just the people who come to mind off the top of my head.
Cases could be made for pretty much half the players in this game being lurkers.

They're not all scum.

Heck, you need only look as far as Snake: a lurkerlynch, and look where that got you?

A town flip.

Anyway, have to leave. For real, now.

[MrZepher]

Chrono has a case. Just saying. I've also been suspicious of him since day one, so don't act surprised.
Snake was a policy lynch and that was duly noted by town (or at least by me) to have been a mistake.
Charlie deserves his wagon, there are just other people that deserve it more.
I'll look into Implosion and Powerrox. Thanks for reminding me.
I don't think I posted that Singer is too much of a null read for me to consider as scum right now. As is Reckoner.

I have considered your reads and have taken into account what you've said.
It's not inhuman of me to decide that I disagree.

[ConSpiracy]

Mastin, please help this town by vanishing in your V/La.

Pine is in the neutral area

So who is in your scum area? And why? (Apart from Charlie off course)

[singersigner]

Seriously. You guys are lynching a lurker.

LURKER.

Of which, there are several.

Singer.
Charlie. (Who WAS wagoned [WTF?], but fortunately you people came to your senses on that.)
Chronopie, your current top pick, apparently.
Lowell, who got replaced by me due to inactivity.
Nacho, too.
As of recently, implosion.
I could argue Powerrox is a lurker, too, due to having the same number of posts as implosion. (I don't really think so, but still.)

Heck, that's just the people who come to mind off the top of my head.
Cases could be made for pretty much half the players in this game being lurkers.

Don't forget tcl and Reckamonic. Come to think of it, I've never seen a town-Recka lurk like this. Ever. That's actually enough to solidify a case on him in my book.

VOTE: Reckamonic

And powerrox, you're creating a completely false situation. I said I read the past several pages worth of a game. This would include several votecounts (unless the mod is bad which DH is not), and several arguments that have already been hashed and rehashed, which give me more than enough to work with and not make a stupid decision like the one you're presenting, ESPECIALLY if it's not LyLo. Honestly, I'm surprised Charlie's bothering to even TRY to catch up on the whole thread.

[MrZepher]

TO be honest I don't think he is.

On the same token of your argument, I've never seen you not contribute to a game such as you have been doing (errr... not doing?)

Basically: Wtf? Why you no contribute!?
[insert pressure vote here] (is not going to unvote chrono unless I have a damn good reason to)

[singersigner]

You've only seen me play two games, one of which I started out in and died N1, the other of which the player list inclined me to play better. Just saying.

[MrZepher]

That doesn't mean I don't read your games. Yes there's a difference but the fact still remains.

[MrZepher]

I'm also semi going off of RL mafia meta....

[singersigner]

OH gosh, lol. Those are two COMPLETELY different things.

Especially when you have a multitude of roles that you can receive online that cause you to play in different ways with different people. My meta is ever changing.

Tell me, do you think that my "lack of effort" in this game is indicative of scum?

[MrZepher]

Not exactly. I'm just generally irritated with the lack of active contribution, especially from players that have been around longer.
ya dig?
Not intentionally trying to hold them to a higher standard but it'd be nice to see what they have to say.