Open 638: Friends and Enemies! (And Enemies!) - GAME OVER!

[BTD6_maker]

And defending a scumbuddy in a two-man scum team is suicide.

To the contrary, if you don't defend a scumbuddy in a two-man scumteam, you lose.

"Buddying really fucking hard is not scummy at all, so don't vote me. Also, vote Kasu and Ozy because Ozy is buddying him." — Ranger 2016

Buddying is in fact a good reason for a player to be scum in this case. Do show how there's any buddying from me. It doesn't even have to be me to others, though that seems to be your implication; demonstrate the alleged buddying to me. I see none.

I agree that it was an horrible post, in general, but is it more likely to come from scum or town?

This is scum, defending scum, while trying to maintain a neutral stance: "Yes, it's bad, I agree it is bad, but..." is basically classical scum behavior, especially for a fairly new player.

As far as I know, scum can speculate about Masons in their thread.

The wiki says otherwise; they, along with the masons, have only night talk.

If not defending a scumbuddy is suicide then scum will defend each other. If defending a scumbuddy is suicide then scum will not defend each other. Either way, on its own it's probably unremarkable. What is noteworthy, though, is defending a scum for no apparent reason.

[Kasumeat]

When you mislynch me, FFS take a good look at Ranger And Her Legendary Reads.

[KuroiXHF]

Vote Count - Day One - VC#7

killthestory - 1 - Karnos
Creature - 0 -
Kop - 0 -
Masquerade- 0 -
Kasumeat - 5 - Kop, Ranger, BTD6_maker, Creature, randomidget
Javajoe24 - 0 -
Ranger - 2 - Kasumeat, Javajoe
karnos - 1 - Ozymandias
BTD6_maker - 0 -
Ozymandias - 0 -
randomidget - 1 - killthestory
Charloux - 0 -

Not Voting: Charloux, Masquerade

With twelve alive, it takes seven to lynch!

"Know your enemy and know yourself and you can fight a hundred battles without disaster." - Sun Tzu

(expired on 2016-05-24 11:13:00)

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[Kasumeat]

I just wanna point out how fucking obviously I would've moved off of Ranger after she explained her mistake with the mod colours if I was scum. It's fucking retarded for scum to make a stand so zealously on D1, but very much worth dying as a VT (which I am) to take out her and her scumbuddy.

[Kasumeat]

VOTE: Kasumeat

[Kasumeat]

That's L-1

[BTD6_maker]

In my last game both scum self-voted for some strange reason. I can see no Town incentive to self-vote. Scum may try to shorten the day, generate confusion, or make their scumbuddy look good. I think we should lynch Kasumeat, but first we should discuss things a bit more to resolve any potential confusion and possibly find his scumbuddy.

[Charloux]

It's still 10 days too early for us to lynch somebody. If you are town you will sacrifice your time for the greater good

[BTD6_maker]

That was my point. Lynching too early will harm Town, which is why I suggested discussing until we are absolutely sure or the deadline approaches.

[Randomnamechange]

The fact they defended them. It would be better to let them answer for themselves.

dias' defense is a bit bleh, but not too alignment indicative.

Uh...

The first was on masq's defense of kop which seemed to be jumping the gun to try and defend them on one point after a small amount of suspicion. The situation with Oz and kas is different.

[Masquerade]

Wow a lot of votes piled up there suddenly.

Kasumeat, what is your definition of buddying? Because I don't really get why you think scumbuddies would buddy each other.

@BTD6: I checked that game, newbie 1700 right? Wow, I feel sad you had to go through that. Such a bad effort and something that barely happens. I've also seen town get frustrated enough to selfvote and I've thought about doing it once or twice as well but it's bad form to do as town. As scum as well btw, either way it's screwing over your team.

@Random: I wasn't defending Kop, I think I saw what he saw in some of Kasumeat's earlier posts (24 33 and 68 come to mind). That has nothing to do with my read on Kop. I was hoping Kop would stay around and chat with us some more but he didn't.

So Kop, am I close to guessing what it is that you saw or is it something else?

[Javajoe24]

It's my second too, I guess Ranger was right about us being scumbuddies.

I will read it later on, if I have time.

Java, since you have played with him before, what do you make of Kasu's play?

In the first game I played with him I scum read him up til the last night when he was NK'ed as town. I haven't seen him as scum, but I know he can play scummy as town. He even tried to pull an elaborate gambit last game which is why I suspected him. I think he learned from his mistake and is trying new tactics. For what it's worth I think he is town because of post 149.

[Killthestory]

will post in a bit, broke my foot

[Killthestory]

OH MY GOD WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS THREAD I REGRET COMING BACK AND READING THIS SHITFEST LOL

[Killthestory]

random be jumping wagons H A R D

ranger and kasu are obvtown, masq townlean. that said, fucking unvote kasu and ranger, fuck off. i dont want to try to this game holy shit, obvtowning is too much work

[Ranger]

So where do you see the neutral stance?

The neutral stance is in trying to defend Kasumeat without actually defending him.

[Ranger]

The first was on masq's defense of kop which seemed to be jumping the gun to try and defend them on one point after a small amount of suspicion. The situation with Oz and kas is different.

I'd like to see how; they both seemed fairly similar to me. (The only difference being, I townread Kop and think Masquerade was white knighting, whereas I think both Kasumeat and Ozymandias are scum.)

[Ozymandias]

The buddying between Creature and Ranger was just so hard and came out of nowhere and it was Creature defending a post which even Ranger admitted was stupid as fuck. I suppose it's possible they're masons but I cannot possibly believe they're both VT.

Pretty sure this is town.

Or clueless scum, never played with anyone here before. But probably town.

Everyone should be voting Kasumeat for 149 btw.

Nah.

I'm also very strongly thinking Ozymandias is Kasumeat's scumbuddy for what it's worth.

Can I be a scumbuddy to a townie?

Find a quote where I try to defend him, without actually defending him.

[Ozymandias]

How is it different in multiball?

The difference is that there are 3 teams of course But seriously, scum can work together at certain times, but the only way for them to communicate is by posts during the day. And if i'm not wrong you said that anti-town action can be converted to town cred?!

Then he could have simply posted it in twilight before getting hung if he was that desperate or at least he could have waited to see if the wagon on him would remain, I still don't see how this affects the interpretation of Kasu's post, honestly.

I indeed said that, yeah.

[Randomnamechange]

The first was on masq's defense of kop which seemed to be jumping the gun to try and defend them on one point after a small amount of suspicion. The situation with Oz and kas is different.

I'd like to see how; they both seemed fairly similar to me. (The only difference being, I townread Kop and think Masquerade was white knighting, whereas I think both Kasumeat and Ozymandias are scum.)

Kop was only being questioned on one thing with no votes on him, there is a large possibility of kasumeat being lynched.
UNVOTE:
I'm not convinced this isn't mislynch bait.

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[BTD6_maker]

@BTD6: I checked that game, newbie 1700 right? Wow, I feel sad you had to go through that. Such a bad effort and something that barely happens. I've also seen town get frustrated enough to selfvote and I've thought about doing it once or twice as well but it's bad form to do as town. As scum as well btw, either way it's screwing over your team.

It mostly is bad regardless of alignment. However, for Town there pretty much never is any advantage. As scum, it mostly harms your faction but at least there is the hope that you are helping your partner to escape detection or make them look good or making a Townie look bad. For example, when RadiantCowbells self-voted I was not sure of his intentions but it may hae been to make me look suspicious even before the flip. Tojam2 just gave up - we had a guaranteed win anyway. Essentially, self-voting as scum (when there is another partner alive) is essentially a form of self-bussing.

I can't understand Kasumeat's motivation though as Town. Kasumeat, if you are Town, please unvote.

[Randomnamechange]

random be jumping wagons H A R D

ranger and kasu are obvtown, masq townlean. that said, fucking unvote kasu and ranger, fuck off. i dont want to try to this game holy shit, obvtowning is too much work

I have voted two people since RVS, one of whom was largely to move the game forward, and the other I expressed suspicion of several pages earlier. Please tell me where I jumped wagons "H A R D"

[Ozymandias]

The first was on masq's defense of kop which seemed to be jumping the gun to try and defend them on one point after a small amount of suspicion. The situation with Oz and kas is different.

I'd like to see how; they both seemed fairly similar to me. (The only difference being, I townread Kop and think Masquerade was white knighting, whereas I think both Kasumeat and Ozymandias are scum.)

Kop was only being questioned on one thing with no votes on him, there is a large possibility of kasumeat being lynched.
UNVOTE:
I'm not convinced this isn't mislynch bait.

Mod Notes:
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<3 to randomidget who returned the love. He gets bolded hearts because he's special.

awwww <3

Buddying with the mod, scum confirmed. Clearly has privileges.

What made you change your mind from your first vote on Kasu to now?

[Ozymandias]

@BTD6: I checked that game, newbie 1700 right? Wow, I feel sad you had to go through that. Such a bad effort and something that barely happens. I've also seen town get frustrated enough to selfvote and I've thought about doing it once or twice as well but it's bad form to do as town. As scum as well btw, either way it's screwing over your team.

It mostly is bad regardless of alignment. However, for Town there pretty much never is any advantage. As scum, it mostly harms your faction but at least there is the hope that you are helping your partner to escape detection or make them look good or making a Townie look bad. For example, when RadiantCowbells self-voted I was not sure of his intentions but it may hae been to make me look suspicious even before the flip. Tojam2 just gave up - we had a guaranteed win anyway. Essentially, self-voting as scum (when there is another partner alive) is essentially a form of self-bussing.

I can't understand Kasumeat's motivation though as Town. Kasumeat, if you are Town, please unvote.

Self voting usually means three things:

1. Frustated town.

2. Scum faking frustated town.

3. Scum who just self hammered.

I think we are in the first situation here.

[Randomnamechange]

The first was on masq's defense of kop which seemed to be jumping the gun to try and defend them on one point after a small amount of suspicion. The situation with Oz and kas is different.

I'd like to see how; they both seemed fairly similar to me. (The only difference being, I townread Kop and think Masquerade was white knighting, whereas I think both Kasumeat and Ozymandias are scum.)

Kop was only being questioned on one thing with no votes on him, there is a large possibility of kasumeat being lynched.
UNVOTE:
I'm not convinced this isn't mislynch bait.

Mod Notes:
- <3

<3 to randomidget who returned the love. He gets bolded hearts because he's special.

awwww <3

Buddying with the mod, scum confirmed. Clearly has privileges.

What made you change your mind from your first vote on Kasu to now?

Some of his posts have definitely been scummy, so I voted him. But i'm starting to get a gut feeling this is a mislynch from his most recent posts.