Gay Dance! [Donezo]

[Ankamius]

hm

I don't think I can say more without outing her main

but idk, I can just see this becoming a huge distraction that apathies the game out and very little of worth being added to the game from it

and I don't think she's left her scumrange yet and the best way to assess her alignment is to let her do her own thing

shrug

[pienyan]

I'm not trying to ask about it to assess her alignment, I'm trying to see if I can't get another perspective on Gamma's alignment.

[Ankamius]

yeah I know

addressing that is what would out her main :V

[pienyan]

:v

[pienyan]

So what do you want to do. Trust her read or just resign to lynching the pair?

[Ankamius]

eh

I think she is pretty transparently different as both alignments and hasn't necessarily shown it yet, so going that route is more productive imo

if she becomes obvtown, then that might change things a bit for me

[Ankamius]

and if she becomes obvscum, then this discussion doesn't even matter since they just die first anyways

[Ankamius]

I mean

I still think gamma is more likely to be scum than town, but I'm not entirely sure that lynching them first is necessarily the best choice because of that if I can be certain on nimueh being town

I'm sort of in that phase where I think I have a solid enough grasp on the game where it would be more productive to cull pairings I'm less sure about on both ends rather than lynching actual scumreads if they're attached to strong townreads if that makes sense

[pienyan]

Do you still have Vecna/Ausuka as the next pair in line to lynch and if so why? Particularly on Vecna, I thought his posts were town and I really dislike how his apathy seems to have flipped a lot of people's reads on him since I think it's not indicative of anything.

[Ankamius]

eh

something about the way he asked out ausuka pinged me, and eventually I realized that I was completely blanking on why I was townreading him in the first place

I used to have a metric to read him by that was generally accurate

and I think I'm starting to remember what it was

maybe I'll reISO him

[Ankamius]

yeah idk

I distantly remember him having this way of phrasing things that made him feel like he was narrating his thoughts rather than saying his thoughts as scum that didn't really happen as town, and I'm seeing instances of this occasionally in his ISO, but it's sparse enough that I'm not sure if he occasionally just talks that way or is aware of it being scum-indicative for him on some level that he's holding it back somewhat

[Ankamius]

ngl part of why I want that pairing dead is because I provably can't read ausuka, and without having a good basis behind how to read vecna, he's always going to be someone I'm going to be uncomfortable having a strong read on

[pienyan]

Ausuka looks town to me. I think her posts show genuine and consistent effort to try to game solve.

[Ankamius]

I've seen Ausuka's scum game twice (albeit once as the backup mod) and I've seen evidence of that both times

[Ankamius]

Oh funny enough the other instance was a game I wasn't even in, it was the game earlier this year where there was a MD thread to talk about it

She was scum and fooled me in that game too

[Ausuka]

I've seen Ausuka's scum game twice (albeit once as the backup mod) and I've seen evidence of that both times

I mean in both of the games you're referring to multiple people were able to catch me. I only won the md game because fl replaced in and the other game you're referring to was literally a perfect town win. Idk about you but I most other people don't view my scum play as genuine.

If Nimueh obvtowns the pair should go close to endgame but not like literally endgame imo. I don't have a read there so far.

[Ankamius]

I generally don't subscribe to other people's reads on general stuff onlike that anymore, Creature proved that can suddenly not work anymore on a dime

[Ankamius]

Btw pie do you still need my scumgames

[pienyan]

Btw pie do you still need my scumgames

I'm good.

[Ankamius]

kk

[pienyan]

Actually now that I think Sakura is town it seems like leaving pie/Sakura and Chen/bingle and Chen leaves if the game doesn't end will win the game?

Just as one example, I really don't think scum Ausuka goes for this angle here. There's more I could point out but this jumps out the most.

[Ankamius]

Can you expand on that please, what about that angle is specifically town?

[pienyan]

If she's scum she's deciding on supporting the plan to get me-Sakura who's most likely a town pair to endgame, which would make her lose. I also like the chennis/Bingle read.

[Ankamius]

do scum necessarily need to commit to their predance plans though?

All they need to do is not be completely fucked going into intermission in order to be fine since it's more important to just look town before that

[pienyan]

do scum necessarily need to commit to their predance plans though?

All they need to do is not be completely fucked going into intermission in order to be fine since it's more important to just look town before that

While I believe this setup should be played mostly like a normal game I do believe there's plenty of merit in trying to identify strong town pairs and identify one or two to get to endgame. There's not really any reason to question the Sakura read, so once you have that read down the only unknown is me. And you don't see her trying to question or throw any shade on me, do you?

If she starts doing that, then we can talk about it, but until then she's committed to it, which is town.