NY129-Mafia on Werewolf Island! (Game Over)

[mastin2]

'Cause they're effectively already Mason-Vigs right now?

Seriously, they're way behind the other scumteam. They need the other scumteam to have only two members, or else, they're screwed. That means they need to lynch/kill the other faction.

I already said that two votes would be better than one. If we lynch one of the wolves, we've only got one left, which means, only one wolf vote during the day, and only one wolf giving input during the night for who to kill.

Essentially, they're more used to us alive than dead.

And I think Pine's a wolf, so therefore is not a lynch today.

You and T-Bone, however, are.

[C-Worl]

Ok, then answer me this. Everyone who's died (other than Jindori & Raug) has been town. That's a lot of dead townies. We're also receiving 2 dead townies every night bc of it. If you were town (You're not) then your "mislynch" would leave us D5 with 5 antitown and only 8 townies left. Another mislynch would take us to 5 vs 5. Essentially your lynch (if you were town but you're not) would put us in LyLo (MyLo?)

So how, HOW, the fuck is that PROTOWN?

PINE: THAT'S THE QUESTION YOU SCUMMY SCUMMY SCUMMER, AND YOU DID IT AGAIN!

WILL SOMEONE PUHLEASE PUT HIM OUT OF MY MISERY?

[Pine]

Mastin, if you thought Pine was wolf-scum, you'd lynch him.

If we could take down another wolf today, the last wolf would HAVE to start hunting mafia. So why would you give up the chance to turn a scumteam into a vig?

Ding! Correct answer, no matter how Mastin tries to scramble and spin it.

C-Worl is scum as always. I've answered that question several times.

[C-Worl]

'Cause they're effectively already Mason-Vigs right now?

Seriously, they're way behind the other scumteam. They need the other scumteam to have only two members, or else, they're screwed. That means they need to lynch/kill the other faction.

I already said that two votes would be better than one. If we lynch one of the wolves, we've only got one left, which means, only one wolf vote during the day, and only one wolf giving input during the night for who to kill.

Essentially, they're more used to us alive than dead.

And I think Pine's a wolf, so therefore is not a lynch today.

You and T-Bone, however, are.

This logic is stupid. Like really stupid. Like supermega stupid. If I weren't so excited about lynching Pine I'd be voting for Mastin right now.

[ConSpiracy]

It may be me, but since when did we know that both scumteams had 3 members?
I had 4 in my mind...

Anyways, mastin, you can trust nacho in his mafia reads enough. We lynch Pine, nacho eats whoever is mafia (presumably gorilla) and mafia shoots nacho.
We can't have a better night, can we?

Don't act cocky, that is an such an easy attitude to fake a scumread on.

Also, didn't you think T-bone was scum with Pine? Why were you voting wolf T-bone then?

[C-Worl]

Mastin, if you thought Pine was wolf-scum, you'd lynch him.

If we could take down another wolf today, the last wolf would HAVE to start hunting mafia. So why would you give up the chance to turn a scumteam into a vig?

Ding! Correct answer, no matter how Mastin tries to scramble and spin it.

C-Worl is scum as always. I've answered that question several times.

You've never answered how putting us in MyLo would be protown. You've stated stupid reasons why your lynch could be protown but you're ignoring the incredibly antitown dilemna you would put us in. This is why I'm voting you.You're an ass and you just won't admit it when you're wrong. You're wrong about me and you're wrong about voting for yourself. You are scum and I hope you enjoy the rope we're about to give you.

[Pine]

We wouldn't be in MyLo. Your math is wrong.

@ConSpiracy: We've been operating on a 3v3v1vTown assumption because 2 per scumteam is too small and 4 is too large.

[ConSpiracy]

We wouldn't be in MyLo. Your math is wrong.

@ConSpiracy: We've been operating on a 3v3v1vTown assumption because 2 per scumteam is too small and 4 is too large.

I am the only one who fails to see that 4 player scumteams are too large? xD
Oh well, every time I make setup speculation, I am wrong, so...

BTW, self vote again plz. It makes it easier to lynch you.

[C-Worl]

We wouldn't be in MyLo. Your math is wrong.

Of course we wouldn't be bc we only would be if you were town. BC ur not we get the benefit of it not putting us in MyLo. Die scum die

[DemonHybrid]

VOTE COUNT

Day 3 Vote Count (#25)

Pine - 6 (ConSpiracy, Kise, T-Bone, Chronopie, C-Worl, MrZepher) L-3
mastin2 - 2 (Nachomamma8, Pine)
tclawren - 2 (implosion, Reckamonic)
Chronopie - 2 (gorilla, tclawren)
Reckamonic - 1 (Charlier)
T-Bone - 1 (mastin2)
Nachomamma8 - 1 (singersigner)

Not voting - 1 (Powerrox93)

As a reminder, keep in mind that ANY AND ALL prods do not go away after various game phases. If you need to be prodded and you have two prods, I will start looking for a replacement.

Powerrox93 is V/LA from Thursday, May 12th to Sunday, May 15th.

If I am missing anything this votecount, let me know.

Deadline is in 7 days.

Deadline is May 17th, 9:00 PM EDT. With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch and 8 to No Lynch.

[mastin2]

I'm facepalming at ConSpiracy.

T-Bone and Nacho are scum together, and are NOT wolves.
Pine's also scum, but IS a wolf.

And since Pine's a wolf, we essentially force him and his buddy to kill mafia or we lynch him.

In other words, I want to blackmail Pine and his wolf buddy into being Mason-Vigs. Rather than lynch Pine, and let it go down to a single wolf.

Have to leave, again. Willing to explain later, but would rather focus on finishing the T-Bone case.

[Pine]

^This makes zero sense.

At worst, you kill one wolf and put the other in desperate straits. If approach endgame with 3 mafia and 2 wolves, or even 2 v 2, they're both on equal footing and neither has incentive to seek the others out right away. Further, the Town is in a disastrous position of finally eliminating one and having the other still outnumber them. Taking one down to only a single player FORCES them to cross kill in order to survive, and provides incentive to the other side to completely eliminate their competition to remove the threat of cross kills.

In other words BULLSHIT.

[C-Worl]

Oh Mastin, here's why your logic sucks major penis.

D1 Jindori wolf gets modkilled. N1 town Jail Keeper gets eaten. N2 Town Neighbor gets eaten. Wolves are not getting scum. They're eating townies. If you think Pine is a wolf you need to vote for him. Failure to comply will get me on you either today or tomorrow.

[Pine]

^This post is why C-Worl is scum. Recognizing, concurring with, and elaborating upon the flaws in mastin's logic without voting.

[C-Worl]

^ This is why Pine is a dick head. Recognizing my argument on Mastin, but ignoring that I'm voting Pine bc Pine is obvscum while Mastin might just be stupid.

[implosion]

I still need to find time to do a good reread, but I'm finally through the tough part of my schedule. I'm waking up at 4:30 tomorrow, and I'll be away all day, so ideally I can do it on Thursday. Realistically, I should be able to do it Thursday-Friday.

[C-Tree]

I still need to find time to do a good reread, but I'm finally through the tough part of my schedule. I'm waking up at 4:30 tomorrow, and I'll be away all day, so ideally I can do it on Thursday. Realistically, I should be able to do it Thursday-Friday.

Vote Pine while you're here. Trust me it's such a good idea that even Pine did it, twice.

[Pine]

Quit posting against me on our hydra account, dummy.

[C-Worl]

I still need to find time to do a good reread, but I'm finally through the tough part of my schedule. I'm waking up at 4:30 tomorrow, and I'll be away all day, so ideally I can do it on Thursday. Realistically, I should be able to do it Thursday-Friday.

Vote Pine while you're here. Trust me it's such a good idea that even Pine did it, twice.

Damnit. Forgot i was in my hydra.

[T-Bone]

Alright, I am spending too much time on mafiascum this week...so

V/LA till Friday

. I really need to focus on my finals, so I'm only gonna check the site once in awhile these next two days.

Noted.

[mastin2]

Oh Mastin, here's why your logic sucks.
D1 Jindori wolf gets modkilled. N1 town Jail Keeper gets eaten. N2 Town Neighbor gets eaten. Wolves are not getting scum. They're eating townies. If you think Pine is a wolf you need to vote for him. Failure to comply will get me on you either today or tomorrow.

Ah, but do consider, if Pine's scum, he's a wolf.

And if he's a wolf, the threat of lynching him is JUST as effective as an actual lynch.

If there's only one wolf, they're forced to cross-kill, as mentioned, in order to keep living.
If there's the THREAT of only one wolf--as in, we lynch Pine and leave his buddy lonely--then the wolves are still forced to act AS IF they only had one member, since we already know who one of them is. That's the genius in it. Pine's attitude has effectively outed himself as Wolf-scum, to the point where we all know he is wolf-scum. He knows that if he doesn't obey the town's desires, he's dead. And what does the town want?
For him to cross-kill, of course.

See the logic now?

Lynching Pine's a waste of a lynch, because they're already essentially TWO members down. We can kill Pine at any time--and he knows that. He has to submit to our will, or he's dead meat.

In other words, the wolves killing someone they think is town will be going against their win condition, since Pine'll get auto-lynched and they'll be left with only one member.
If they kill someone who is scum, however, guess what?

They get to keep two members, at least, temporarily.

We KNOW Pine's wolf-scum. He knows we know. He knows that if we want him dead, he's dead. So all he has left is to try and appease us.

It makes perfect sense if you think about it. Like I said. The wolves have essentially given us Pine. He's like an outed Mason who has a vig ability during the night--target painted right on his back. He can die at any time, and the wolves will be at a disadvantage due to that. So, he needs the town's help, and to get the town's help, he needs to help the town.

Make sense?

[Pine]

Unvote

Vote: Pine

Mastin's logic only makes sense if I'm a wolf or he's scum. Period.

My lynch will prove him scum, and will result in his scumbuddies being found and lynched. I'm willing to sacrifice myself to take out an entire scumteam.

[C-Worl]

Strike three, you're out.

[Pine]

I am comfortable with that possibility, and willing to put the noose around my own neck.

[C-Worl]

C'mon guys, grant him his wish.