(Hilariously) Unbalanced Mafia 2 [Over]

[Frightened inmate number3]

what the fuck there are 3 vigs

[Frightened inmate number3]

i really want to believe ank's claim right now but i have to check some things first.

[Frightened inmate number3]

	1	2	3	4
Lynched	Toon Fighter, Fascist Godfather , Lynched Day One.	ProHawk, Dictator Jailkeeper , Lynched Day Two.	shos, Town Cop , Lynched Day Three.	BlizZard, Fascist Sane Cop , Lynched Day Four.
Shot - Town Vigilante (Frightened inmate number3)	ArcAngel9, Town Hippie Cop , shot night one.	DrippingGoofBall, Town White Mage , shot night two.	Klingoncelt, Hippie Fruit Vendor , shot night three.	guille2015, Town Macho Doctor , shot night four.
Killed - Town X-Shot Bulletproof Miller Vigilante (Ankamius)	Jackel98, Dictator Rolecop , killed night one.	Fluminator, Hippie Doctor , stabbed and killed night two.	alivechihiro, Town Watcher , killed night three.	Awesome, Town Compulsive SK-Miller Vigilante , killed night four.
Stabbed - Town Compulsive SK-Miller Vigilante (Awesome)	shos - protected by Bulba	Fluminator, Hippie Doctor , stabbed and killed night two.	Wisdom, Fascist Ninja , stabbed night three.	UNKNOWN
Silenced - Fascist Mafia (Toon Fighter, Wisdom, Blizzard)	farside22, Town Bodyguard , silenced night one.	EddieFenix, Town Fascist Cop , silenced night two.	Bulbazak, Town Doctor , silenced night three.	UNKNOWN
Various Cutting Deaths - Hippie Mafia (Fluminator, Klingoncelt, and Impossibear)	Alchemist21, Vanilla Townie , shredded into fertilizer night one.	UNKNOWN	UNKNOWN	PeregrineV, Town Gunsmith , sliced in half night four.
Beaten - Dictator Mafia (Jackel98, ProHawk, ???)	Pine, Town Communist Miller , beaten to a bloody pulp night one.	UNKNOWN/REMOVED	UNKNOWN/REMOVED	UNKNOWN/REMOVED

the above does not take into account the possibility of ankamius/impossibear lying about kills or alignment.

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with ank's claim out, i am confident muffin is town. i'm also remembering right now that their discussion over wording at least confirms they're both millers of some sort.

nobody special is town by two cop results.

impossibear is claimed scum, last hippie.

give me a few to re-sort the others.

[Frightened inmate number3]

the reason i really want to believe ank is town is because if there really is a dictator left there's no way communists are left

either ank is sk or town. and i think his claim looked town, plus his kills and reasoning i can absolutely believe come from town vig (i was contemplating killing awesome last night for literally the exact same reasons, did not tell muffin - muffin has known about my claim since yesterday) except for flum who i was never scumreading as far as i remember

[Frightened inmate number3]

also, about the neighborhood:

for most of the game i was about 75% sure we were all town (made it sound closer to 50% to push away nightkills) because it looked like it was this:

fin3 - town vigilante
bulba - town doctor (limits vigilante)
shos - town cop
muffin - town miller (limits cop)

and that is an elegant as fuck mastin neighborhood.

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and i think what's been going on is a game of pairs or almost-pairs as far as town goes. i posted this in the neighborhood earlier (modifying it now):

investigatives:

shos, Town [???] Cop, Lynched Day Three.
{Titus, Town [Insane] Cop claim}

ArcAngel9, Town Hippie Cop, shot night one.
EddieFenix, Town Fascist Cop, silenced night two.

PeregrineV, Town Gunsmith, sliced in half night four.
{double?}

alivechihiro, Town Watcher, killed night three.
{theelkspeaks, Town Tracker claim?}

protectives:

Bulbazak, Town Doctor, silenced night three.
guille2015, Town Macho Doctor, shot night four.

farside22, Town Bodyguard, silenced night one.
DrippingGoofBall, Town White Mage, shot night two.

others:

Pine, Town Communist Miller, beaten to a bloody pulp night one.
{Muffin, Town Miller claim}
{Ankamius, Town Miller claim turned Town X-Shot Bulletproof Miller Vigilante claim}
Awesome, Town Compulsive SK-Miller Vigilante, killed night four.
{fin3, Town Vigilante}

Alchemist21, Vanilla Townie, shredded into fertilizer night one.
{Nobody Special, Vanilla Townie claim}

{Ika, BP claim - note: need full role claim}


not sure how complete this is...

[Frightened inmate number3]

PeregrineV, Town Gunsmith, sliced in half night four.
alivechihiro, Town Watcher, killed night three.

{theelkspeaks, Town Tracker claim?}


or this...

[Frightened inmate number3]

2 vigs gave no thought to shooting impossibear...confirmed scum...

i assumed awesome would do it. this is why i kept asking awesome to kill out of nobody special/impossibear (which you saw and thought i was scum for) before the blizzard flip (when blizzard flipped sane cop is when nobody special was confirmed town to me)

i understand ankamius killing awesome because his given reasons for doing so were the same as what i contemplated last night. i also considered shooting ika or ankamius, and i told muffin i might shoot him to see what he would say. he said nothing.

[Frightened inmate number3]

Fin3, why did you wait until n4 to shoot Awesome?

ankamius killed awesome.
i shot guille last night.

i'm 1/4 for scumkills which is annoying but aa9, dgb, and guille were all scummy as hell so i'm at least glad they haven't been around to be mislynched.

[Frightened inmate number3]

mollie/ika, were you shot last night or not

same to you, ank

[Frightened inmate number3]

jingle claimed rb on awesome last night.
fascists are definitely gone.
dictator[/communist?] kill unaccounted for.

[Frightened inmate number3]

as i have said multiple times through this game
either they were vig hitting scum
or leashed sk hitting scum

and recall day 2 that i wanted to lynch the fuck out of them
i only conceded when the prohawk definite guilty took precedence, and decided to give them a night to prove their claim by hitting a scumread

awesome
is
practically
confirmed
scum
can
we
lynch
them
now

"exactly what i said i would"
you keep using this specific phrase
it's a bit quirky
maybe you are a scum sk miller and this is so when you flip scum you can say "lol but i did realclaim, sk miller with a nightkill"

awesome is still scum
that claim is horrible

Shos claims guilty of questionable sanity on Awesome.
Awesome claims SK miller vig.

and yet it lives

vote prohawk

compromise is sad but necessary

what happened to your certainty we are scum?

you stabbed someone so it's like 50/50 now

clarifying the awesome read either it's specific sk miller vig kill flavor or the obvious opposite that you're sk claiming vig
i also think you could have just claimed non miller or become a leashed sk if you were one

[Frightened inmate number3]

quotes are a bit out of order but i have made my point

i thought i said somewhere out loud that i would give them night 2, then if no kill from them showed or their kill was on a general townread they would die... maybe it was in the hood after all

[Frightened inmate number3]

i did say it there

muffin, ctrl-f my hood iso for "awesome" and confirm the above, please

[Frightened inmate number3]

pv got no result n3, and bear claimed to rb pv n3

bear claimed to rb elk on n2 only. n3 is unexplained if he's scum, but bulletproofs and doctors make it wifom anyway.

[Frightened inmate number3]

let's direct kills, ank.

we lynch bear today.

you shoot elk.

i test your bp.

if game is not over, lynch one of us.

i think this beats the game.

[Frightened inmate number3]

we do need to lynch bear today because it is probably the only manipulative role left.

[Frightened inmate number3]

modified the content in quote:

and i think what's been going on is a game of pairs or almost-pairs as far as town goes. i posted this in the neighborhood earlier (modifying it now):

investigatives:

shos, Town [???]

Cop

, Lynched Day Three.
{Titus, Town [Insane]

Cop

claim}

ArcAngel9, Town

Hippie Cop

, shot night one.
EddieFenix, Town

Fascist Cop

, silenced night two.

PeregrineV, Town

Gunsmith

, sliced in half night four.
alivechihiro, Town

Watcher

, killed night three.

{theelkspeaks, Town Tracker claim?} - most likely scum

protectives:

Bulbazak, Town [San/Regular]

Doctor

, silenced night three.
guille2015, Town Macho

Doctor

, shot night four.

farside22, Town

Bodyguard

, silenced night one.
DrippingGoofBall, Town

White Mage

, shot night two.

others:

Pine, Town Communist

Miller

, beaten to a bloody pulp night one.
{Muffin, Town

Miller

claim}

{Ankamius, Town Miller claim turned Town

X-Shot Bulletproof

Miller Vigilante claim}
{Pirate Ika, Town

X-Shot Bulletproof

claim}

Awesome, Town Compulsive SK-Miller

Vigilante

, killed night four.
{fin3, Town

Vigilante

}

Alchemist21,

Vanilla Townie

, shredded into fertilizer night one.
{Nobody Special,

Vanilla Townie

claim}


not sure how complete this is...

[Frightened inmate number3]

let's direct kills, ank.

we lynch bear today.

you shoot elk.

i test your bp.

if game is not over, lynch one of us.

i think this beats the game.

I don't see how town loses with this regardless of what elk does unless we're somehow wrong about Muffin or Titus. I'm okay with going through with this.

i see you and ika as having about equal chances to be scum. that is, unlikely but i can't do anything about it anyway.

thank you for reminding me about them - but i think titus is town. targets are town-motivated, play is town-motivated even if crazy at times
and shos-sanecop:titus-insanecop::bulba-doctor:guille:machodoctor fits really well

i also think muffin is town because we were the only ones left in the neighborhood and he had multiple chances to kill me when i was crumbing then claiming vig in there, without anyone other than the two of us knowing

[Frightened inmate number3]

18:3:3:3 = 18:9 = 2:1 (2/3 town, 1/3 scum)

18 - town, 3 kills (vigs: awesome, fin3, ank)
3 - fascists, 1 kill
3 - hippies, 1 kill
3 - dictators, 1 kill

this explanation solves the game rather nicely. not that i only believe it because it sounds nice.

[Frightened inmate number3]

awesome had gone 2 straight nights as a claimed vig not being killed or roleblocked while hitting scum and we took it for granted that n4 would keep that status quo
we just did not consider it

[Frightened inmate number3]

we just did not consider it

[Frightened inmate number3]

the only time it even came up in my head was day 3 - "her kill went through, that's weird, oh well she's still killing town"

and all of us thought pv was some sort of mod-asker joat weird thing so i assumed his no result was related to his own role.

i'm not going to humor further questions on this topic.

[Frightened inmate number3]

Spoiler: updated likely nightkills chart

	1	2	3	4
Lynched	Toon Fighter, Fascist Godfather , Lynched Day One.	ProHawk, Dictator Jailkeeper , Lynched Day Two.	shos, Town Cop , Lynched Day Three.	BlizZard, Fascist Sane Cop , Lynched Day Four.
Shot - Town Vigilante (Frightened inmate number3)	ArcAngel9, Town Hippie Cop , shot night one.	DrippingGoofBall, Town White Mage , shot night two.	Klingoncelt, Hippie Fruit Vendor , shot night three.	guille2015, Town Macho Doctor , shot night four.
Killed - Town X-Shot Bulletproof Miller Vigilante (Ankamius)	Jackel98, Dictator Rolecop , killed night one.	Fluminator, Hippie Doctor , stabbed and killed night two.	alivechihiro, Town Watcher , killed night three.	Awesome, Town Compulsive SK-Miller Vigilante , killed night four.
Stabbed - Town Compulsive SK-Miller Vigilante (Awesome)	shos, who was protected by Bulbazak and lived.	Fluminator, Hippie Doctor , stabbed and killed night two.	Wisdom, Fascist Ninja , stabbed night three.	Roleblocked by Impossibear.
Silenced - Fascist Mafia (Toon Fighter, Wisdom, Blizzard)	farside22, Town Bodyguard , silenced night one.	EddieFenix, Town Fascist Cop , silenced night two.	Bulbazak, Town Doctor , silenced night three.	Faction eliminated.
Various Cutting Deaths - Hippie Mafia (Fluminator, Klingoncelt, Impossibear)	Alchemist21, Vanilla Townie , shredded into fertilizer night one.	UNKNOWN	UNKNOWN	PeregrineV, Town Gunsmith , sliced in half night four.
Beaten - Dictator Mafia (Jackel98, ProHawk, ???)	Pine, Town Communist Miller , beaten to a bloody pulp night one.	Roleblocked by Impossibear.	UNKNOWN	UNKNOWN

the above does not take into account the possibility of ankamius/impossibear lying about kills or alignment.

[Frightened inmate number3]

Spoiler: updated likely nightkills chart

	1	2	3	4
Lynched	Toon Fighter, Fascist Godfather , Lynched Day One.	ProHawk, Dictator Jailkeeper , Lynched Day Two.	shos, Town Cop , Lynched Day Three.	BlizZard, Fascist Sane Cop , Lynched Day Four.
Shot - Town Vigilante (Frightened inmate number3)	ArcAngel9, Town Hippie Cop , shot night one.	DrippingGoofBall, Town White Mage , shot night two.	Klingoncelt, Hippie Fruit Vendor , shot night three.	guille2015, Town Macho Doctor , shot night four.
Killed - Town X-Shot Bulletproof Miller Vigilante (Ankamius)	Jackel98, Dictator Rolecop , killed night one.	Fluminator, Hippie Doctor , stabbed and killed night two.	alivechihiro, Town Watcher , killed night three.	Awesome, Town Compulsive SK-Miller Vigilante , killed night four.
Stabbed - Town Compulsive SK-Miller Vigilante (Awesome)	shos, who was protected by Bulbazak and lived.	Fluminator, Hippie Doctor , stabbed and killed night two.	Wisdom, Fascist Ninja , stabbed night three.	Roleblocked by Impossibear.
Silenced - Fascist Mafia (Toon Fighter, Wisdom, Blizzard)	farside22, Town Bodyguard , silenced night one.	EddieFenix, Town Fascist Cop , silenced night two.	Bulbazak, Town Doctor , silenced night three.	Faction eliminated.
Various Cutting Deaths - Hippie Mafia (Fluminator, Klingoncelt, Impossibear)	Alchemist21, Vanilla Townie , shredded into fertilizer night one.	Pirate Ika, who reported taking a hit to their BP.	Titus, who was protected by one of DGB/Bulbazak.	PeregrineV, Town Gunsmith , sliced in half night four.
Beaten - Dictator Mafia (Jackel98, ProHawk, ???)	Pine, Town Communist Miller , beaten to a bloody pulp night one.	Roleblocked by Impossibear.	UNKNOWN	Pirate Ika, who reported taking a hit to their BP.

the above does not take into account the possibility of ankamius/impossibear/pirate ika lying about kills or alignment.

i forgot up what bear said about rbs and attempting to kill titus. one cell left unknown.

[Frightened inmate number3]

ebwop - Titus, who was protected by one of DGB/Bulbazak/guille2015.

[Frightened inmate number3]

either way it didn't happen, but prohawk had incentive to lie while bulba didn't
why is this important to you

[Frightened inmate number3]

titus continuing to argue minute points that are easily countered makes me antsy.

[Frightened inmate number3]

in other news bear is still scum.

I don't think hawk boy lied. tammy obvsly didn't lie. I don't zarella was lying either.

I think klingon made a correct assessment of 3 teams with 3 players on them + an sk.

that wld make 6 scum plus an indie which makes sense. I don't think mastina is that much of a miserable troll and I am just gonna stand by this until proven otherwise.

jingle just wants to survive.

If Zarella did not lie, then how did shos flip town?

he did not lie about bear.

or ns.

[Frightened inmate number3]

either way it didn't happen, but prohawk had incentive to lie while bulba didn't
why is this important to you

Doesn't matter. They both could have been honest. Not mutually exclusive.

what's the point
what. is. your. point

[Frightened inmate number3]

So the question is, just how much is made up? Was the ns inno real?

lying about that would invite a quicker death by gaining nobody special's vote and voice against him

he was the last fascist. he had no reason to lie. occam's razor. double roles this game. two vts. not an issue unless game exists tomorrow.

[Frightened inmate number3]

i was initially outraged by your post because i thought you copped ns then i went back to quote it and remembered you copped ika instead.

[Frightened inmate number3]

If he is honest, there are communists.

he said:

ns is town
shos is scum
bear is scum

where are these communists?

[Frightened inmate number3]

I just am losing my mind with this game.

sweetie, vote the bear.

[Frightened inmate number3]

you're 99.9% certain there are communists in the same way you were 99.9% certain there's an sk - very unlikely, but if there is an sk, it's ank. and if there is a communist, it's still ank because all other kills are accounted for.

[Frightened inmate number3]

Short Version:

No Communists

[Frightened inmate number3]

Shos was not scum. So either blizzard was totally honest (which means someone fucked with his results) or Blizzard lied about shos which throws his other check into doubt.

so you are in outer space right now and it looks like i have to pull you back so our earth can start spinning again.

here is how it went down:

1. pv claimed a gunsmith guilty on blizzard
2. shos claimed a cop guilty on blizzard
3. blizzard claimed town sane cop, discrediting pv's result to a false positive
4. blizzard claimed a guilty on shos, discrediting shos's result by capitalizing on the mass of people scumreading shos
5. blizzard claimed an innocent on nobody special as a safe and accurate claim, so that at least nobody special would believe him and potentially vouch for him

we know nobody special is not a fascist. blizzard was the last by lack of fascist kill and because 4 fascists is not viable ever at all end of discussion.

blizzard very likely copped nobody special for real night 1. ns is a very reasonable cop target for a scum cop.

if blizzard lied and got a guilty on nobody special but said innocent, he would have given up a chance to create another distraction target in place of him. falsely clearing nobody special did nothing for blizzard's survival, as if so nobody special would know he is scum and he would lose the chance to get more towncred for a guilty

i have also already brought up the nature of this setup - you can sort our town into pairs or almost-pairs. two vanilla townies, two cops, two docs, two millers, and so on

...and even if those premises are wrong, i will say it again: all kills are accounted for. so if you really insist on believing in communists, stick to me and ank. and the latter had little reason to fakeclaim, not to mention his targets were largely pro-town and made more sense from a vig perspective.



don't want to hear any more talk about communists today. we are lynching bear and following directed actions:

ank shoots elk
i shoot ank
titus can cop nobody special if she really wants
elk tracks muffin or ns

[Frightened inmate number3]

in case ank is the scum between the two and is tempted to shoot someone else instead

[Frightened inmate number3]

breaking news: ika confirmed bp and town/gf, titus says must be one of three communists

[Frightened inmate number3]

framer or tailor or lawyer? turns scum to town? turns town to scum? used on who? on what nights? what proves this? how does this viably fit in with godfather and millers?

[Frightened inmate number3]

i am legitimately considering replacing out.

this is how much i do not want to play with you right now.

[Frightened inmate number3]

trying to work with you this game has been an unparalleled hardship.

i have given minutes, hours, days just to try and cater to your thought process only for you to ignore everything in the end and stay your course anyway.

if you are town i am going to seriously consider blacklisting you on all accounts. i have never done this before or told anyone this before but i think in this case you need to understand just how upsetting this experience has been.

no further comments. i will sit back and shut up and wait for bear to be lynched, by plurality at deadline if i have to.

[Frightened inmate number3]

you're 99.9% certain there are communists in the same way you were 99.9% certain there's an sk - very unlikely, but if there is an sk, it's ank. and if there is a communist, it's still ank because all other kills are accounted for.

let's just bring this up again

titus, do you believe an sk exists?

because most of your thoughts about communists existing are predicated on the idea that there wouldn't be a miller for something that doesn't exist

so if you think there's communists then you must think there's an sk

who are all of these mysterious hidden in the shadows scum

[Frightened inmate number3]

Yelling helps no one.

trying to talk to you reasonably helps no one either but hey what do we know you're titus and you're our queen

There is bullshit you are ignoring.

ok. i'll refrain from making a comment about hypocrisy at this time

Blizzard claiming a guilty on shos and pursuing it makes zero sense as the last Hippie scum if he did not actually believe shos was scum.

shos and pv (who had massive amounts of towncred) claimed guilties on blizzard

it was either let himself get lynched and then wait for wisdom to get lynched or attempt to take out shos then and there with a fake guilty

not to mention it still makes absolutely zero sense for anyone to frame shos as scum on night 2. also there's how you're proposing there's a 3 man communist team with both a framer and tailor (considering your suspicion on ika after copping them night 4). because yes titus those are different action types.

Then there's a communist miller with no communist faction, that seems unlikely.

we'll cover this again in a bit.

Add in the three of you essentially win the game if we are wrong today...

we'll cover this in a bit.

I have said the communist team a few times now. I have never said Ank is a commie.

pirate ika, muffin, and fin3 are your commies, i remember.

i think you fail to realize that the only one fearmongering is you. you are fearmongering over the 0% chance of us three being a scumteam and going against all evidence pointing to the contrary.

this is the setup you propose.

2. Pirate Ika (pirate mollie+ika)
5. Muffin
6. Frightened inmate number3

1. theelkspeaks

4. Impossibear (EspeciallyTheLies+Jingle)

7. Ankamius

3. Nobody Special
8. Titus

notice how i had to try and fucking pick a random color that wasn't red orange green blue or purple for communists because while we have

Awesome

,

Town

Compulsive

SK

-Miller Vigilante

,

killed night four

.

to indicate sk color all we have for communists is

Town

Communist Miller

,

beaten to a bloody pulp N1

.

which even points to the already-unlikely scenario of there being an sk but no communists as more likely than your scenario.

so back to this.

2. Pirate Ika (pirate mollie+ika)
5. Muffin
6. Frightened inmate number3

1. theelkspeaks

4. Impossibear (EspeciallyTheLies+Jingle)

7. Ankamius

3. Nobody Special
8. Titus

so first off i'm glad to see that you finally accept blizzard wasn't lying about ns being inno and that he's town. i'm proud. doesn't fucking matter if he was tailored n1, in any scenario ns is town.

if this is the case there is no fucking way you expect all that scum to follow the plans of a town insane cop. to follow your plans. i just. don't understand.

even in your fantasy world that postulates lynching me will flip a communist, there is no way scum is going to agree to murder and lynch each other so that you still have a chance to win.

in your scenario and you lynch me - there's still the commie, sk, dictator, and hippie kills all floating around. 4 scumkills and 2 town left. will they all agree with the plan to shoot each other so that town can win? fuck no. don't forget ank and ika are bulletproof. so if muffin and bear and elk die and town miraculously escapes unharmed, it's 1/1/2, no lynch, kill the town and force a tie/gamble on x-shot vests. no town win.

if muffin and only one of bear and elk die, you can agree to team up with them to lynch a bp scum, then go into night 1/1/2, in which case bp scum shoots town and it'll most likely become a 1/1/1 kingmaker. no town win.

alternative: in your scenario, the correct play is to remove ankamius, so as to remove a potential sk and either way completely remove a kill from the equation to eliminate that huge extra risk. then you get bear and elk to shoot me and muffin, hoping they get lucky with a roleblock on us just for extra points if you want, and since that guarantees two of three commies are dead by night anyway we'd have to shoot one of bear/elk to make it 1/1/2, in which case you'd lynch bp-ika and lose to bear or no lynch and repeat/force scum to kill town and lose to one of them. no town win.

in summary titus, in your proposed setup town has already lost, because you are never going to be able to count on 6 scum to comply with 1 town's demands (while the other 1 town sits in the corner wondering if that titus girl claimed something or not, who knows, it's okay ns none of us know what's going on with titus either it's not just you).

you can count on bear to say they like your plan. because you're giving them an out and you're literally the only one right now who they think is dumb enough to let them live.

also as for something i saw about you saying ika muffin and i are fighting this too hard so you must be right, i suggest you take a chance to... i don't know, become a little kid and grow up and learn how humans work all over again. because news flash, people tend to argue when someone says something wrong about them.

it's just. so fucking simple.

and maybe this argument is making me go crazy but i am wondering why if you think there are 3 communists left you want to lynch the towniest of those possible communists. the one that claimed vig on aa9, dgb, klingon, and guille, who were all near-universal scumreads. who we could have left to lynch instead. who was in a neighborhood...

this gets its own paragraph. not only did we have a daytalk neighborhood of cop, miller, vig, and doc, which makes perfect sense setup design wise, but in your scenario...

in your scenario, the neighborhood is

town cop
town doc
communist [framer/tailor/?]
communist [framer/tailor/?]

the cop claimed day 1. the doc claimed day 1.

i am claiming the aa9 "shot" line of kills, so therefore if you think we are communists these must be our kills.

why did we not just take out the doc early on? we could have just said scum must have killed him because bulba is a threat, which he is.

why did we choose to shoot klingon over bulba on night 3, when shos was already dead?

just why would we shoot lynchable universal scumreads

why

this post is already too long and i have spent too much time rehashing a lot of the same points that you either refuse to listen to or when you do listen throw occam's razor out the window and make up a shitload of implausible theories about roles that don't exist just to mold the world to your narrow viewpoint that mostly consists of your irrational nightmares.

this is unhealthy for me. i should not have to waste this much time or effort trying to convince you not to lynch confscum, or at the very least lynch a bulletproof sk over crosskillable groupscum and then even over bulletproof groupscum. i still don't understand why if ika and muffin and i must all be communists to you you're not lynching the bulletproof communist instead.

impossibear wants you to lynch me because they recognize i'm actually a fucking vig and agreeing to your insanity not only removes a town player that wants to lynch them but also a town vig that wants to shoot them so they'd have to waste their rb on me if neither of us got lynch.

i am spending too much energy again. note to self, next time before you let titus anger you into writing anything else over 4 lines, just replace out.

pedit hey titus i have a problem with the plan because i know there's a chance i'm town's only vig, and by lynching me you're leaving a town win in the hands of claimed scum, likely scum, and possible bulletproof sk. and i want to guarantee we go into night 1/6 or 1/1/5, not 1/1/5 (bear rbs ank, titus and ns can die, and we only win if we're sure on elk being dictator which i'm not willing to risk a lynch on) 1/1/1/4 (town loses no matter what because there's a bulletproof sk)

[Frightened inmate number3]

i am also really angry that this game doesn't seem to have a set deadline because at this rate i will have to wait at least 3 more whole weeks just to get what should be a really fucking simple scumlynch

[Frightened inmate number3]

i feel it is important to let everyone know that while i am not a physically violent person this is the most i have ever wanted to punch a face and i came close to actually throwing my laptop to the ground. close as in it was in my hands over the edge of the bed.
i do not know why i feel that sharing these stories will help
but i think it does

[Frightened inmate number3]

i just checked and there is nothing in the rules about getting myself modkilled
we can go with that and then lynch impossibear and that's a town win too i think
public poll: do it? don't do it?

[Frightened inmate number3]

i really just do not want to play with titus any longer but at the same time do not want town to lose by having only her presence and not mine, and do not want to make the mod try and find a replacement for this game.
someone please tell me they sympathize with my dilemma.

[Frightened inmate number3]

thank you
hugs
i am town
can we hydra after this is done two or all of us? maybe you could be a communist with ank and really just buddying me to death but either way you are calming me down and making me feel ok and i value people who can do that for me. it is a very special thing.
i am also jealous of your hydra dynamic. i admire it and want to learn how to handle things with a hydra partner like that.

[Frightened inmate number3]

Awesome

,

Town

Compulsive

SK

-Miller Vigilante

,

killed night four

.

Town

Communist

Miller

,

beaten to a bloody pulp N1

.

so this is how it's supposed to be. i am still thinking the color black correction was an afterthought or oversight on mastin's part because there are no communists

but then there are no colors other than green in the flips of our fascist cop, hippie cop, and the sk-miller and communist miller in the first post either

(unrelated: i feel like this might be a product of the bastard element. i was reminded of it in a dream i had last night where someone voted bipolarchemist and he flipped communist and everyone went ahhh, the bastard element is having the real scum not on the playerlist. just an interesting story.)

titus i am still waiting for a valid response. even from your perspective, i do not see how risking lynching your town vig is better than lynching a confirmed bulletproof possible communist (ika) another non-vig possible communist (muffin) or even a likely bulletproof possible sk (ank). you keep ignoring how lynching me is the worst option in either scenario, and it feels like you're sticking to my lynch over all others because it is my lynch specifically that impossibear is ok with (because again, bear recognizes we're actually the vig and is capitalizing on your fear).

and you need to understand that underneath it all there is this fear of my own that you aren't just crazy town but actually scum like any other, taking advantage of your crazy reputation to get rid of the vig. particularly if you and muffin or ika are actually communists which does explain your actions as cop and devotion to my lynch over others. in which case i understand we have probably already lost but fuck if it's going to happen with my mislynch, i still have a chance to shoot scum if no roleblocker is in play.

[Frightened inmate number3]

in your scenario, lynching impossibear still works even if barely.

2. Pirate Ika (pirate mollie+ika) - bp comm
5. Muffin - comm
6. Frightened inmate number3 - comm

1. theelkspeaks - dictator tracker

7. Ankamius - bp sk

3. Nobody Special - vt
8. Titus - town insane cop

ank and elk are forced to leave town alive or lose voting power against comms, so they shoot muffin or me or both of us

comms are forced to shoot elk to win, because if not they risk going into day with only ika left against 2 town, sk, and elk

so you go into day with 1 comm/1 sk/2 town. and then town is forced to wait it out with no lynch and force scum to remove each other's vests, then lynch the remaining one.

so in your scenario, even though there is no strategy that guarantees a win (there is either 3 communists and an sk which means town will have practically 0% chance to win even if you lynch a communist, or there are neither and town wins with bear's lynch and elk's vig), there is a higher chance if you remove a kill from the night by lynching bear/ank

[Frightened inmate number3]

and once again lynching me sucks from my pov.

4. Impossibear - hippie rb

1. theelkspeaks - dictator tracker

7. Ankamius - bp vig or sk

2. Pirate Ika (pirate mollie+ika) - bp town
3. Nobody Special - vt
5. Muffin - town miller
8. Titus - town insane cop

bear rbs ank either way, kills town. elk kills town.

1/1/3 or 1/1/1/2

you can lynch one of the scum to go 1/3 or 1/1/2.

but then what if ank is sk? it's certainly more likely than your ridiculous idea that we're communists. what if we're wrong about elk being dictator over muffin or ns? in that case mislynching today loses us the game and lynching confscum is the only guaranteed path.

your plan has too much potential to go wrong and is founded on a scenario that is less than 10% likely.

if you really want communists to exist that badly, why are we tasked with defending ourselves against this insanity (which you'll then ignore because "of course you're defending yourselves") when all you have against us is how we were the first three to vote impossibear today? go through our isos all together and tell me we make sense as a communist team. hint, we never did in the first place because we fucking aren't.

[Frightened inmate number3]

Food for thought, if I didn't believe there were communists, why would I have fucking claimed in the first place?

you miscalculated.

you failed to consider a situation in which awesome was not the only vig, and were counting on the two unexplained kill lines to be communist+sk instead of vig+vig or vig+sk. and you know you're going to lose because of it unless you get that vig lynched. but i'm not going to let that happen.

[Frightened inmate number3]

i am going to try and come up with a plan that titus regardless of alignment will have no choice but to agree with because it will still guarantee a town win

i propose we lynch impossibear so as to get rid of the claimed scum roleblocker, which is the main role that fucks up any chance of town winning. so we go into night with

1. theelkspeaks
2. Pirate Ika (pirate mollie+ika)
3. Nobody Special
5. Muffin
6. Frightened inmate number3
7. Ankamius
8. Titus

ankamius can shoot me

elk/titus or whoever the dictator is can shoot muffin

i'll shoot elk (if i'm communist, this is my only viable option anyway)

so we go into day with

2. Pirate Ika (pirate mollie+ika)
3. Nobody Special
7. Ankamius
8. Titus

if the three of us are communists and ank is sk: 1/1/2. winnable because forced no lynch and force scum to take out each other's vests first (if they try to kill town, they lose a bp shot).

if there are no comms or sk: oh guess what if elk was town and game isn't over lynch dictator-titus. game over town wins.

titus, this ok with you? you should have absolutely no reason to object to this plan, unless you're scum and want to continue insisting on lynching the town vig.

[Frightened inmate number3]

Lastly, if the commies do not exist, what is the bastard element?

Is it possible your game has any of the following: cults,

mid-game alignment changes

, moderator lies that cannot be reasonably anticipated (for example, Godfather, Tailor, Miller, Ninja, and mechanics like that are generally fine. Telling someone they are a reflexive doctor when they're actually a PGO is not), secret win conditions, un-divulged non-randomness in player role/alignment generation, direct moderator influence during the game?

Yes. (It's classified as Bastard.)

SPECIAL GAME RULE: I 100% guarantee you that the information in your initial PM is correct. I also will guarantee that moderator answers to any hypothetical role interactions are as closely possible to 100% accurate as well. Furthermore, I guarantee no alignment/role changes. I will make no guarantees beyond that, thus, consider this game to be "bastard".

i think the bastard element might be in the flips or existence of millers for non-existing scum.

[Frightened inmate number3]

ank is bulletproof. and even if dictator shoots him or ika to remove the vest, it becomes a prisoner's dilemma for scum, which has a higher ev for town.

the point is that impossibear needs to be lynched today, because i am not going to go into night with town choosing to keep a manipulative role alive over a proven town-motivated vig. town can't leash a scum rb. i don't care if ank or dictator kills me tonight, because then at least my vig shot is guaranteed to go through.

that is the entire point of my argument. that i know i am a town vig, and i am the only role left that i'm absolutely sure is going to kill with only town in mind. so bear needs to go because if they're alive they could rb me and even the slightest chance of that is unacceptable.

if i was actually a communist like you keep mindlessly screaming i could just get muffin or ika to perform the kill instead. but i can't because i'm a vig, and there's only one of me with this kill. and once again i am not going to give bear the chance to stop me.

[Frightened inmate number3]

Fin3, I am putting each setup in spoilers at this point so you see how it works from my perspective.

Spoiler: Communist Setup

Fin3
Ika
Muffin

Ank possible but remote SK

Bear Hippie
Elk Dictator

Me and NS town.



Day:Lynch Fin3
Night: ika and muffin flip because Ank and Bear shoot them. Elk shoots Ank. Commies shoot bear in case Bear lets one live so they can try to win. That or they shoot Ank to reduce KPN.

Day
Bear or Ank alive with me and NS.
We lynch Bear or Ank.

Town has won.

Spoiler: No Commies

Lynch Fin3
Night kills: Ank shoots Elk Dictator, Bear shoots Elk once, Elk shoots someone townie.

6 alive
Bear lynched

Ank nks if scum
4 alive at daybreak

Ank is lynched.


In the rare event I am off and Muffin is dictator then it looks like

Lynch Fin3
Ank shoots Elk
Bear shoots Ank
Dictator shoots Ank/NS/me/ika (ank being shot will be his own setup)

Daybreak Ank is alive
2 of me/ns/ika alive
Muffin dictator
Bear Hippie
Ank vig

Bear argues to lynch Muffin or Bear in longshot case. We lynch bear anyway cuz cockblocker.

At night, Ank shoots Muffin. Muffin shoots Ank in case Ank misses and has a paranoid freakout.

At daybreak, 2 of me/ns/ika are alive. Town wins again.

Forgot dictator shoots Ank.

Lynch Fin3
Ank and Elk are dead

Bear
Muffin Dictator
NS ika and me alive

Lynch bear.
Muffin dictator shoots ns ika or me.

He must survive a lylo with ns and ika or ns/me or me/ika. Not likely to happen.

Town wins.

If you are town Fin3, you should have no reason to resist this. The first setup you should not care about as you are not a communist. The second is essentially your plan but the order changed.

Stop trying to drown out everyone else.

and as i've said your plan is flawed.

before i go on to show that, please rewrite it in a way that makes sense. because i just spent a minute trying to figure what part refers to what.

[Frightened inmate number3]

i can't even figure out what part of 5851 your 5852 is correcting. please rewrite in a form such as

day 5:
lynch ___
go into night with # alive
list players alive and alignment

night 5:
___ kills ___
go into day with # alive
list players alive and alignment

and so on

post edit: i can't correct a plan that i can't understand how you corrected yourself. fix your problem completely instead of saying "oh something about that was wrong, here's a thing"

[Frightened inmate number3]

i'm not even fucking sure what alignment i want you to be anymore. earlier i wanted you to be town so i could rub it in your face if we lost due to unnecessary risks with a potential sk/dictator but now if you're dictator i might even like that because then there's a reason for your madness, and i don't have to take any blame in a loss for not being able to convince you out of it.

[Frightened inmate number3]

ok, thank you. let's go back and forth on this, one step at a time.

1: elk does not die. it is in bear's best interests to roleblock ank.

what happens then?

[Frightened inmate number3]

Fin3, I work from elimibating what is impossible. Then go to likely. If a possible scenario leaves us boned, I want toeliminate it or verify it.

[Frightened inmate number3]

this is a hint that i am sick and tired of you purposefully ignoring every valid concern that i raise.

[Frightened inmate number3]

Fin3, I work from elimibating what is impossible. Then go to likely. If a possible scenario leaves us boned, I want toeliminate it or verify it.

bear would rb ank to let elk live as a lynch target instead of them, as that is their only chance of prolonging survival when i flip town.

and it is not impossible anyway. it is more possible within the realms of your plan being followed than your theory of communists even is. so you do not get to eliminate it.

[Frightened inmate number3]

i'm fucking done with this.

mastin, please replace me out. i'm really sorry.

<<< Noted. >>>

[Frightened inmate number3]

i overreacted. please cancel my replacement request.
sorry for the hassle.

<<< Noted. >>>

[Frightened inmate number3]

what i am concerned about in titus' plan is bear rbing ank so the elk flip can only be found out later rather than sooner, not to mention ank being sk because he claimed vig before he knew i was vig, and as a result losing the game because we not only relied on scum to kill scum for us, but also because we could have incorrectly predicted who the dictator is. and while titus says her plan works, it's all predicated on her both being town and knowing exactly who the scum are and what kinds of scum they are. and i think that is a valid concern of mine considering how intent she is on lynching her communist that's claimed VIG over her communist that's claimed BP or MILLER. i would not have as much opposition to this plan if she wanted to lynch ika or muffin.

[Frightened inmate number3]

for everyone who's still on the fence, try to look at it from my perspective:

titus says she is scared of communists existing. therefore out of her communist pool of bp-ika, miller-muffin, and vig-fin3, she decides to team up with claimed scum rb-bear to lynch the vig. when called out on this and asked why she isn't considering lynching ika or muffin instead, her response is just that i am crying and whining about nothing.

i bring up concerns about elk not dying tonight and she says not to worry about that. we're not even sure that elk is the dictator, but despite assuming we're communists off of what amounts to literally nothing, she also assumes a player who she sees as sk will kill a player most of us think is likely dictator, and assumes the claimed hippie will sit back and let this happen when if all goes according to titus' plan the hippie will be lynched tomorrow.

now imagine you're me who is increasingly worried about how titus refuses to take my concerns seriously, refuses to lynch anyone on her communist team other than the claimed vig, completely ignores how that hippie raises no objections to the plan because it gets the vig lynched

...and imagine that on top of your growing fears that titus is the lone dictator instead of elk because of these illogical refusals, you've just remembered how on day 2, titus was doubtful of her sanity and her "guilty" on shos up until pv claimed a solid guilty on dictator prohawk, then all of a sudden as the prohawk wagon grew she was pushing how her guilty on shos was solid and she illogically wanted to lynch shos day 2 instead of simply waiting one more night to check her sanity, despite how she was posting about being insane before. that does nothing to alleviate my growing concerns about titus. and i think the chances of her plan leading to a town loss are growing higher and higher.

[Frightened inmate number3]

for the record, titus is postulating that there are only 2 town left against 3 communists, 1 hippie, 1 dictator, and 1 sk. and she thinks she and nobody special are most likely those two.
and i think that is impossible. i believe nobody special is town, but i am no longer sure about titus and of fucking course they aren't the only two town left
i think ika is town, ank and muffin are probably town, and for sure i'm town.
i agree with mollie/ika that the only ones left are hippie and dictator
and while it really looks like elk took advantage of my replace out request as a reason to vote me while still pretending not to be scum
thinking about her illogical stubbornness and play regarding shos and prohawk results day 2 makes me think she's just as likely to be scum now

[Frightened inmate number3]

thanks for hammering but before thread locks,
ank kills elk
i kill titus

should be a win

[Frightened inmate number3]

and should ank not kill elk, he's bp sk and lynch him before elk. there is no reason if he's vig and thinks there's a chance i'm scum he wouldn't kill elk.
should ank-sk kill town over elk, elk-dictator also kills town, and titus is town, we still go into day 5 with 1/1/4, which is a win as long as elk is dictator. but in the case of ank killing someone not elk, ank is confirmed sk so lynch him first then work out dictator from there

[Frightened inmate number3]

i really don't think ns is a communist and if he is, all plans presented today were gambling on blizzard's town result on him.

[Frightened inmate number3]

i acknowledge titus' posts. while she has a point in that it is unlikely for scum to anger a vig, there is also a point in that she's titus so crazy is expected as scum too, and she was also trying to lynch this vig - if we were lynched, making us angry is no issue

ank will still kill elk. i will consider switching my kill to ank because i think elk is more likely scum and it would be nice to win with no more unnecessary town deaths, but that is a risk i am most likely not going to take in case elk is town and dictator kills me. we need to cull the scumpool quickly so 90% sure still killing titus.

if dictator does not flip in elk/titus, it will probably be muffin. still think ika is town, titus innocent is real if she's town. still think the ns innocent is real. if dictator does flip between those two and game is still going, sk is ank.