8:4 Vanilla Nightless [TM2015] - GAME OVER

ZZZX · Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:55 am

In post 2117, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 2096, Nachomamma8 wrote:My personal death list is:

Sotty ---> Kagami ---> GreyICE ---> Zar.

Are you going to follow those names when I flip town, Grey?

These are my four names. If your post doesn't say "yes, I will follow those in order until one flips town", you shouldn't be posting. Give teammates time to catch up, you've chosen your lynch for the day.

so you mind if I started from kagami?

ZZZX · Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:57 am

actually ika wants to talk to you and mollie. I will try to ask you what he needs. is that fine?

also dont worry. I am actually waiting.

also if you flip town I will try to follow your list as close as possible.

ZZZX · Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:59 am

One thing we noticed was that sotties 1835 does not really match to the vote generally. Thoughts btw?

p-edit: your lynch will clear up at least 2-3 people.

also mollie calm down.

also nacho we are working on following your list. is there anything you want to ask btw?

ZZZX · Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:01 am

Mollie take a deeeeep breath.

look at me

now

breaaath

okey better?

play mafia for fun. I understand your pain. just let it gooo! let it goooo! cant hold me ba..... oh crap i mean... fk my lil bro played that crap over my ears too many times.

ZZZX · Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:01 am

p-edit: are you sure?

also tbh i am feeling unbreakable town vibes from nacho right now.

ZZZX · Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:03 am

Also ABR i am going to talk to mollie because I know that mollie is facing alot of stress in real life and if I dont let mollie hash it out somewhat it will only get worse. so please respect the fact that we need to hash it out a bit.

p-edit: ofcorse.

ZZZX · Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:05 am

Also abr promise me if nacho is town you will start listening to us.

p-edit: i dont get ur case ... at all. yet.

ZZZX · Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:07 am

In post 2133, GreyICE wrote:This fizzled out as a bunch of team mafia "hydra wifom" goodness started. Basically you used "Sheeping GIF" among other things to keep practically anything on the table.

1st. what the fuck is wrong with sheeping my team member who i know for 100% to be giving me the things from a town pov?

ZZZX · Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:07 am

p-edit just let me finish a few things

ZZZX · Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:08 am

In post 2133, GreyICE wrote:Then this, where you defend your Hoopla vote

I still think your post was made with scum intent even now.

ZZZX · Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:08 am

In post 2139, Albert B. Rampage wrote:It's 6 to lynch at 11 players, 4th vote is L-2. It's all good. Vote Nacho please as a token of mutual trust and future collaboration.

fine. just give me 30 secs

ZZZX · Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:09 am

hey nacho not talking about it at all will only lead to nothing and will not help. the game is getting less toxic and getting somewhat stable anyway generally

ZZZX · Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:10 am

VOTE: nacho

ZZZX · Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:13 am

Nacho at L-2 atm btw

also

nacho, let talk then why do you think that? the game is at stalemate in reads per say so maybe now is a good time to try to clear some of the issues that has been murking?

p-edit: No probs. tbh it pains me to do this but i believe nacho is town. I will believe in you thou.

ZZZX · Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:15 am

Like We know that mollie isnt really in the mood for it prob but i believe talking about it will be helpful . and if it goes into an emotional level then we can stop for a few hours I guess?

p-edit:

Read my post clearly. It is called fucking intent. do you see? INTENT? I dont care what your reason you wrote is. But the reason for your vote in the end was not a town driven one. and I am not talking about the reason you wrote. but the intent behind your post. If you dont get this then I dont care to explain it further >>

ZZZX · Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:16 am

@Mollie I know you are not in hte mood to talk but Ika wants to use my as a proxy if you feel like it

ZZZX · Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:16 am

also my thoughts are a mix of 3 people so you cant really call me out for the reasons you did. you know this right?

ZZZX · Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:20 am

fair enough nacho, whats important to us is that mollie has an escape or someone to talk to about it.

ZZZX · Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:37 am

In post 2155, Nachomamma8 wrote:Give Sotty 48 hours to prepare her list of four names. If she provides them and flips town, follow her reads exactly. If she doesn't post them and flips town, then Metal Sonic chooses the next day's lynch, with the caveat that he does not lynch ZZZX. If Sotty flips scum, follow the same procedure with Kagami.

It is important that this plan is followed to a T: lynch order is important, trusting town whenever they are lynched is important. If you are town, prepping the best list you possibly can is important.

Is anything about this unclear/unsatisfactory?

Personally i find that fine.

ZZZX · Fri Apr 17, 2015 10:30 am

Yo ABR,I think we all need to give mollie some space, i understand that you are trying your darnest to avoid the drama atm but if mollie needs to mak ea few post about it i would let her and jsut not comment on it atm.

ZZZX · Fri Apr 17, 2015 10:34 am

Btw wge what do you think about sotty's disconnection between reads and vote?

ZZZX · Fri Apr 17, 2015 10:35 am

Nacho,I kinda disagree with you. I think the current dicussion has some mertis to it. if you are town as you state you should be workign with abr to the very end to clarify where and what hes misunderstanding

ZZZX · Fri Apr 17, 2015 10:44 am

Nacho listen. I agree abr will be a man of his words but hes trying to understand you better, so please think about it: dont you think clarifying his supportive misunderstandings would help in the long run as well as future games if you 2 are to play again? like we looking at this more objectivly now if anything.

ZZZX · Fri Apr 17, 2015 10:59 am

@Mollie: please just stop and work with us. we prmoise you come the end of it everything will be fine.
@Nacho: Ok then

ZZZX · Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:02 am

Nacho need anything before i go sleep btw?

ZZZX · Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:05 am

In post 2194, Nachomamma8 wrote:No, I'm okay.
Thank you, ZZZX.

Mkay

Good night all.

ZZZX · Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:07 pm

@Sotty please post a vengeful list

also

@mod vc plz

ZZZX · Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:39 pm

Read list v-5:

Town Blok:

---

Albert B. Rampage (Blue, Meth, Blade and Associates)
Metal Sonic (team nocaps)
ZZZX (TEAM WITH NO NAME)

----

Really Reaallly town:
wgeurts (Young and Beautiful)
Pirate Mollie EddieFenix (The Leftovers)

Null:
GreyICE (TBD)
Ooba Seraphim (The Unviggable Vegetables)

Scum:
Kagami Silverwolf (The Hitmen)
Sotty7 (The Kliq)

Zar Empire (The Westeros Circlejerk)

ZZZX · Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:39 pm

In post 2313, ZZZX wrote:Read list v-5:

Town Blok:

---

Albert B. Rampage (Blue, Meth, Blade and Associates)
Metal Sonic (team nocaps)
ZZZX (TEAM WITH NO NAME)

----

Really Reaallly town:
wgeurts (Young and Beautiful)
Pirate Mollie EddieFenix (The Leftovers)

Null:
GreyICE (TBD)
Ooba Seraphim (The Unviggable Vegetables)

Scum:
Zar Empire (The Westeros Circlejerk)
Kagami Silverwolf (The Hitmen)
Sotty7 (The Kliq)

fixed

ZZZX · Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:45 pm

from that read list if we lynch people in hte scum/null region (while following nacho's plan) we have to hit at least 2 scum. which at that moment we win by PoE
notes:
- I am not up for lynching people i have set as really town until there is noone from the null/scum cat. left
- A town blok state is personally a state where i dont have to doubt the player anymore. if ABR/sonic were scum i would gracefully accept my lose because i sucked big time at reading them. however I believe pretty much in my reading of them

ZZZX · Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:33 pm

In post 2317, Metal Sonic wrote:
In post 2314, ZZZX wrote:
In post 2313, ZZZX wrote:Read list v-5:

Town Blok:

---

Albert B. Rampage (Blue, Meth, Blade and Associates)
Metal Sonic (team nocaps)
ZZZX (TEAM WITH NO NAME)

----

Really Reaallly town:
wgeurts (Young and Beautiful)
Pirate Mollie EddieFenix (The Leftovers)

Null:
GreyICE (TBD)
Ooba Seraphim (The Unviggable Vegetables)

Scum:
Zar Empire (The Westeros Circlejerk)
Kagami Silverwolf (The Hitmen)
Sotty7 (The Kliq)

fixed

You should switch grey with zar. I think zar is town.

his 25 posts make my senses tingly, and hes one of they few with 0 reactions w/me

anyway it works juust the same

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 12:56 am

In post 2320, GreyICE wrote:
In post 2315, ZZZX wrote:from that read list if we lynch people in hte scum/null region (while following nacho's plan) we have to hit at least 2 scum. which at that moment we win by PoE
notes:
- I am not up for lynching people i have set as really town until there is noone from the null/scum cat. left
- A town blok state is personally a state where i dont have to doubt the player anymore. if ABR/sonic were scum i would gracefully accept my lose because i sucked big time at reading them. however I believe pretty much in my reading of them

Never accept defeat.

I will consider this commenting on my last sentense and not commenting on how the game for your scum team is lost.

okey

and I stand by every word i said in that post.

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 1:14 am

In post 2322, pirate mollie wrote:why the fuck are metal and abr in a town block that anybody is listening to when they just lynched hoppla and then nacho? and took great pains to interfere with my process to sort out nacho?

They haev done a lot of bullshit. I know.

But they are town. That much havent changed. Do you think one of them is scum?

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 1:43 am

In post 2325, pirate mollie wrote:I think metal might be and I asked you if his play in this game reminded you of organic chemistry and you ignored it.

i never felt it that way tbh.. I honestly feel his organic play more random. might need to re-read a few things tho

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 2:30 am

ummmm.....

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 2:34 am

Metal chill. Take a 20 minutes break. NOW

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 3:48 am

no matter what sotty flips i believe a kagami lynch is in order.

if town we lynch for being a hindrance to the town and with a huge chance of flipping scum

if sotty flips scum we continue following nacho's

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 4:20 am

I stand by nacho's

Vote: kagami

wge: no i smell scum intent after seeing ur team crumble?

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 4:20 am

like lol wge
u w0t m8?

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 4:21 am

In post 2313, ZZZX wrote:Read list v-5:

Town Blok:

---

Albert B. Rampage (Blue, Meth, Blade and Associates)
Metal Sonic (team nocaps)
ZZZX (TEAM WITH NO NAME)

----

Really Reaallly town:
wgeurts (Young and Beautiful)
Pirate Mollie EddieFenix (The Leftovers)

Null:
GreyICE (TBD)
Ooba Seraphim (The Unviggable Vegetables)

Scum:
Kagami Silverwolf (The Hitmen)
Sotty7 (The Kliq)

Zar Empire (The Westeros Circlejerk)

One down.

also wge is into null/scum now. wtf was that son? follow nacho's plan that YOU agreed to. only scum would want to not follow it.

still I am following nacho even if I want to lynch you right now.

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 4:22 am

In post 2384, wgeurts wrote:No
VOTE: ZZZX
Ooba, Mollie, Ice and Kagami are town.

ABR and ZZZX can get out the town bloc.
Metal Sonic, ICE, Mollie and me should be the new one.

In post 2386, wgeurts wrote:Very likely scum in: ZZZX/Zar
Scum in: ABR/Kagami/Ooba

ICE and Mollie, I'm fully confident you're town and you understand this.

"The guy we are lynching will prob be scum and we agreed with conf town to lynch him but lets go with town player zzzx and call him for scum... okey? why follow nacho hurr durr"

now for srs. Can yoiu explain your beatiful 180?

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 4:23 am

In post 2392, wgeurts wrote:ZZZX was setting up to lynch kagami at sotty any alignment, he was recovering what he could. If ZZZX flips scum kagami is town.

yes, because I want kagami dead.

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 4:25 am

hurr durr hammer every night is a danger to town, also nacho wants it killed with fire

@Metal I know you want to slay I want to slay too but we cant let the legendary nacho's instructions go down

@wge I always knew sotty was scum. and i have no clue about kagami as it can be clear as a way to gain town cred maybe?

anyway kagami dies

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 4:25 am

And yes I want kagami lynched now and i would say the same no matter how sotty flipped.

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 4:28 am

In post 2399, wgeurts wrote:ZZZX, if we end up lynching kagami and she flips town I'm going to push you to the fudge ground.

I dont frankly care about your opinion.

The town blok is not made to be broken by a single scum's opinion

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 4:29 am

In post 2400, wgeurts wrote:ABR, come back and give your thoughts.
Reprove you're town to me.

DO YOU SEE THIS SHIT LOL

"YOU TWO NOW ARE MY SCUM READS AND MUST DIE, hey scum read one come here help me so you dont become scum read no more"

I swear after nacho's list runs out or we end up hitting town I am fucking going for you m8

p-edit : Thank you

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 4:34 am

In post 2405, wgeurts wrote:Nacho's wrong on ICE.
The person we are now lynching just hammered twice on scum and town.

I'll vote kagami, however if she flips town I'm rebuilding the town bloc. GreyICE will be in it, along with Mollie and hopefully ABR/metal.

Nacho said if kagami flipped town to do this, I'm now going to put this into action.
She said if kagami's town to shred the bloc, she knew this. I do believe she said to put ICE it if this happened.
VOTE: Kagami
ZZZX, if you're scum you're digging your own grave.

Nacho said clearly: if we lynch scum keep going. if we lynch town give hte vote to metal.

I dont know if kagami is scum or not. I scum read kagami but even if kagami flips town it means nothing frankly. i promised to follow nacho and that is what I will be doing.

Nacho never said to break the town blok either

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 4:36 am

In post 2405, wgeurts wrote:I'll vote kagami, however if she flips town I'm rebuilding the town bloc. GreyICE will be in it, along with Mollie and hopefully ABR/metal.

and WHO the FUCK are you to rebuild the town bloc?

Only town can do that m8. If metal came and rebuilt it I would understand. But you? half the game scum reads you and the other half has you as null-leaning town.

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 4:36 am

frankly the way we are going is the correct way. no need to start changing things after we just need a single scum lynch to win here.

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 4:48 am

In post 2409, wgeurts wrote:I'm wrong about my nacho statement, I'll follow nacho.
But if kagami flips town.
Shit's gonna get real.
Nacho admitted that if kagami would flip town her view was wrong:

i believe kagami-town would mean my picture of the gamestate would be fundamentally wrong, and i find her capable enough of turning the game around if momentum can be built in trusting her final reads list on a green flip. i don't think she'd be listened to after she died with what she's put in thread so far, and i wanted to emphasize that. i still don't find the chance of Kagami-town to be particularly high. i still think it's important to do things just in case i'm wrong, especially in a game like this.

I'm trusting you on this ZZZX, if kagami flips scum I'll apologise.
However if she doesn't, somethings wrong.
Nacho's then wrong.
And we need to rethink.

and just after that he said that if he was wrong in any part of hte read list includes this then metal takes control of the vote

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 4:49 am

In post 2410, wgeurts wrote:We are lynching kagami today.
I'll base all my thoughts off what she flips.
And I'll lynch the scum in the town bloc I'm very paranoid there is.

Frankly the town blok is the town blok for 2 reasons:

1- Its made of town (duh)

2- You dont just random try to lynch anyone of the bloc without great reason to cause that. frankly you gave no reason. even if all what you are saying is right there are still 4 people at least who are more "lynch worthy" than the "image" you have for me.

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 4:51 am

In post 2413, wgeurts wrote:If kagami's scum.
ZZZX/Metal/ABR my faith is restored.
If she doesn't, the town bloc isn't correct.

I'll personally shred it down and find the actual town in it, probably ABR and Metal.

Ooba and Mollie, I want you on this wagon.

how about you start and build a fucking case on me that isnt about kagami? I fucking dare you m8.

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 4:55 am

I have been scum read- at 3 levels. by 3 differant people. - ABR showed legit reason. Ooba felt weird but i still liked going against the flaw. then you come and just break everything everyone know with your own ideals without even explaining to others and the only thing you said is "Ice and mollie you know"

rly

also why does it mean something is wrong btw? I dont get it.

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 4:56 am

Explain to me as if I am a 12 yo child

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:01 am

In post 2418, wgeurts wrote:ZZZX, I'm town reading you.
However after sotty flipped I hard town read kagami wrongly, now I realised this and am waiting for a flip.
I feared you were setting up to lynch kagami as scum, I think one of the town bloc is scum if kagami is town.
I've already realised my fault and am waiting for kagami to flip. If she flips scum all my suspicions are wrong.

Nacho is right in that we should wait for a town flip before deviating.

And as I've already said, I may be completely wrong.

does town reading me = voting me instead of voting for who the conf town said about?

question 2: the kagami lynch is already set without me saying anytihng. I say what i have in mind because i am town and i have nothing to fear. Dont you think that my talking did nothing
at all?

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:01 am

In post 2420, wgeurts wrote:Even Nacho saw it as I showed:

i believe kagami-town would mean my picture of the gamestate would be fundamentally wrong, and i find her capable enough of turning the game around if momentum can be built in trusting her final reads list on a green flip. i don't think she'd be listened to after she died with what she's put in thread so far, and i wanted to emphasize that. i still don't find the chance of Kagami-town to be particularly high. i still think it's important to do things just in case i'm wrong, especially in a game like this.

I'm not going to judge however before we're certain of her alignment. I may be fully wrong.

One thing hasn't changed, mollie and ICE need to get on this wagon.

even if nacho is the god of scum hunting he can do mistakes too.

but so far he is right. and even if he was wrong once it doesnt change anything imho

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:12 am

In post 2427, wgeurts wrote:
In post 2425, wgeurts wrote:I was thinking irrationally, I was pissed at kagami and then sotty flipped scum. My thoughts only work if kagami's town and for some reason I was convinced she was town for that hammer. Then I rethought, I agree we need to follow nacho's plan.
I was paranoid you were setting up to lynching kagami whatever happened, as thought she was town I then made the wrong connection you're scum.

However one thought remains valid, somethings wrong if kagami flips town.

I'm going to calm down.

ZZZX, we'll speak after Kagami flips.

Fine, even thou i dont think this affects anything what do ever

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:14 am

if my math is right kagami is L-1

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:17 am

In post 2430, wgeurts wrote:Let her speak before hammer pleases.
Nacho wanted that.

I dont mind

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:23 am

In post 2433, ooba wrote:Whoa! Whoa! Whoa!

Nobody's doing any fucking lynch before I have my say. Unvote now.

Kagami is town.

Kagami is dying today. I swear on my name that I am not moving my fucking vote.

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:23 am

In post 2435, Metal Sonic wrote:UNVOTE: Kagami

SAY!!!!!!!!!!

METAL DO YOU FAIL HOLY NACHO !!!

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:25 am

In post 2442, wgeurts wrote:slain?

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:26 am

In post 2443, Metal Sonic wrote:OOBA SAY

WE SLAY!!!!!!!

I see.

this lynch wont wait more than 24 hours or else I will start going insane.

i swear

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:27 am

In post 2445, ooba wrote:
In post 2434, wgeurts wrote:
In post 2433, ooba wrote:Whoa! Whoa! Whoa!

Nobody's doing any fucking lynch before I have my say. Unvote now.

Kagami is town.

No lynch her with us so we can be sure of that.
Please do it so I can factor you in when she flips.

I don't want this to become another one of 'his reads are too perfect' when Kagami flips town.

I want to highlight my thought process behind who I think is scum now - what town reads are and why I came to the conclusions I did.

If possible, I would like to use this particular series of posts to move the lynch to actually scum.

Scum really wanted to push it to 5:4 with a mislynch yesterday. Analyse everything from that - you will arrive at the truth.

Similary, we are at 6:3 they want to push today's mislynch ahead too. Let's analyse the sotty flip. Let's look at interactions.

Discussion people. And I will lead it.

You agreed to nacho's so you are following.

I have scum read kagami since forever and I still am. This hammer was pointless as sotty was dying anyway. more of a despiration hammer.

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:30 am

In post 2450, ooba wrote:
In post 2446, ZZZX wrote:
In post 2443, Metal Sonic wrote:OOBA SAY

WE SLAY!!!!!!!

I see.

this lynch wont wait more than 24 hours or else I will start going insane.

i swear

I'm not sober enough right now to even attempt making that post, so you'll have to wait.

Plus we just had a scum flip.

What are you guys afraid of?

That scum are so good that they're going to talk town out of a scum kagami lynch.

Or is more likely that this lynch pace is dictated by scum who just want to push this through.

Townies on the wagon - THINK!!

Frankly Nacho's choices are not the only reason i want this. its more of the 2nd reason i want to do this

i wanted kagami dead from page 5

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:32 am

In post 2452, Metal Sonic wrote:NO THINK!!!

ONLY SLAY!!!!

YES YES

DO IT

^this should be enough reason to know this is town sonic lmfao

also brb for 1 hour to do my fking rpg's intro. this waited long enough

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:41 am

In post 2454, ooba wrote:a) So Kagami-scum partner to Sotty-scum just hammered fellow partner in Team Mafia?

that hammer affected nothing. i felt it was more scummy than town even now. sotty had one post before dying anyway and scum used that to get some town cred.

whats the big deal

p-edit: yea. @ooba try to iso me if you want info.

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:47 am

In post 2455, ooba wrote:Kagami is flipping town.

- D2: I wanted to lynch Sotty when Nacho was the play
- D4: I want to present my lynch choices when Kagami is the play
See any similarities?

You WILL GODDAMN WAIT AND LISTEN TO WHAT I HAVE TO SAY.

See the differance is this:
while nacho was obvtown and very contenful kagami was not and a lurksack + the "follow the plan" is in motion so that affects the situation too.
Thus your analysis is misguided.

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:49 am

In post 2466, wgeurts wrote:Ooba who do you suggest we then lynch?
I honestly want kagami to be lynch to make or break the town bloc.

No blok is being built or broken unless Sonic and/or ABR start talking about it enough.

and frankly without using any logic you cant break an iceberg so do not expect to break a townblok

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:51 am

Going to brb in 3 minutes for like an hour

anything u guys want until then?

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 6:35 am

In post 2470, quadz08 wrote:ZZZX (0) -

lol

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 6:48 am

In post 2472, Kagami wrote:
In post 2368, wgeurts wrote:If kagami's town I'm blacklisting her, I don't even.

While I understand the sentiment, my behavior will be pretty well explained when the team PTs are opened at the end of this event.

Sufficed to say, team mafia has been a very negative experience for me.

Do you have a vengeful list by the way? if you are unsure I would like you to say so.

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 7:04 am

In post 2473, ooba wrote:
In post 2465, ZZZX wrote:
In post 2455, ooba wrote:Kagami is flipping town.

- D2: I wanted to lynch Sotty when Nacho was the play
- D4: I want to present my lynch choices when Kagami is the play
See any similarities?

You WILL GODDAMN WAIT AND LISTEN TO WHAT I HAVE TO SAY.

See the differance is this:
while nacho was obvtown and very contenful kagami was not and a lurksack + the "follow the plan" is in motion so that affects the situation too.
Thus your analysis is misguided.

We're past the point where isolated scum tells such 'Kagami is a lurksack' is valid reasons enough to push for a lynch.

You have a scum flip. You now have proved scum-??? interactions. You analyse them - you find scum and you lynch.

When pushing for a lynch - you now have to keep asking yourself 'Who the hell is scum with this person. So Sotty + Kagami + ??? + ??? - those other two'

Ok - you say GreyIce as a possible third? You analyse 'GreyIce' ~ 'Sotty' interactions. You'll come with the feeling that "HEY - THATS NOT A BUS" - and you'll know Grey is town.

So Grey is town? Who else can it be?
- wgeurts: Improbable because he had already made comments to the tune of 'Hey if nacho flips town lynch Kagami' on D2. Not going to do that with a scum partner.
- ZZZX: "Hey Guys what about Kagami?" on D2 and the pace of voting now - impossible to be a scum partner
- ABR with his instant vote on Kagami D3? - Nope
- Zar voted Kagami D2 when bussing was the best and far superior option. - Nope
- ooba? My first entry of the game was "Nacho-Ice sure town. One of Sotty\Kagami def scum" -> Really a double bus first post? Nope

That leaves MS and mollie. I can't remember anything from memory that particularly counters these pairings.

So could be {Sotty, Kagami, MS, mollie} - literally the only pairing that makes sense with Kagami scum. But when you have a town lean on mollie - but a 'at least I townread this slot before; I shouldn't question my early town reads' on MS - you realise even that is kinda not probable.

Hence your initial assumption was wrong. The building comes crumbling down - and only one thought survives the chaos that ensues. 'Kagami is town' and you are pretty certain of it.

Why is busing not a valid option? as long as a town block is in order the only way for scum to win is to bus like WTF

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 7:05 am

If I was scum my optimal play would be to scum the fuck out of my weakest 2 partners and just win after being too town to doubt (which is what you and wge(well he now knows how it was not that accurate)) did that mistake IF youw ere town.

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 7:11 am

In post 2478, ooba wrote:
In post 2476, ZZZX wrote:Why is busing not a valid option? as long as a town block is in order the only way for scum to win is to bus like WTF

Sure bussing is a valid option.

So which interaction did you think was the bus in the above post?
a) GreyIce - Sotty
b) Ooba - Sotty\Kagami
.. Any of the other ones

Lets dig up arguments on both side of the 'Did wgeurts really bus? Read the shocking details in this post!' vs 'No way! Dude's town pushing on scum Kagami!'. We argue.

Whichever way Kagami (or our eventually lynchee) flips - we have far more information and a far more informed choice.

Discussion - this is how you win games. Not 'This is the plan! I wont think at all' way.

We are not lemmings. We're here to play the game.

I never said not to discuss, But it wont change today's lynch. but it will affect other day's lynches.

greyIce-sotty was a scummy interaction. If you want to be more exact read the Metal's 12 walls of wanders about it.
I cant remeber your interaction with sotty and/or kagami to be really memoriable. I am about to check something btw thou.

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 8:07 am

In post 2480, ooba wrote:
In post 2479, ZZZX wrote:I never said not to discuss, But it wont change today's lynch. but it will affect other day's lynches.

Why is this?

On D2, I pushed the hardest I ever have to lynch Sotty instead of Nacho. And faced stiff resistance because 'It's better this way. We'd know he's town for sure'.

So what?

A sotty SCUM lynch would have broken the game wide open and CLEARED a (STILL WOULD BE LIVING) TOWN nacho.

So you'll know Kagami's true alignment tomorrow? She flips town, what exactly is going to change?

You lynch <Scummy person> today and they flip SCUM.

You know who those interactions and vote patterns will clear? Kagami.
You know what else we gain for every scum lynch? A mislynch.

Just because we lynched scum yesterday doesn't mean we don't lynch our best candidate to be scum with Sotty.

and who is that may i ask you?

also i lynched nacho even thou i knew he was town because the whole town wanted it. and honestly i couldnt do anything to revert it.

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 8:07 am

also we are following the plan of the conf town. and i find that the most vaible option,. straying from that (and breaking promises) is anti town at best

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 9:23 am

can someone hammer since kagami isnt really going to make a list?

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 9:50 am

In post 2484, ooba wrote:You know what - the more I think about it, the more this makes sense.

I thought it was ZZZX\Wgeurts\ABR - but somethings did make me pause on that today:
- Wgeurts sudden turn around - I really cannot see scum making a dramatic turn around like this. Plus I would have pegged ABR to be the one they select to slaughter their own team mates.
- Read back on ZZZX's promise. He seems incredibly calm to following Nacho's lynch list - even with Sotty leading the list. Now, the other three names would be town in that scenario - but he knew town would have stopped at town-kagami.

So let's go ahead with Kagami
- A Kagami scum flip would clear all of these - ABR\Wgeurts\ZZZX for me
- And on a town flip - I can tell you why I thought ZZZX\Wgeurts\ABR makes sense as a team

Vote: Kagami

if kagami flips scum you are town. Making that promise as scum only confirms the game as lost for you.

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 10:00 am

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 10:01 am

In post 2313, ZZZX wrote:Read list v-5:

Town Blok:

---

Albert B. Rampage (Blue, Meth, Blade and Associates)
Metal Sonic (team nocaps)
ZZZX (TEAM WITH NO NAME)

----

Really Reaallly town:
wgeurts (Young and Beautiful)
Pirate Mollie EddieFenix (The Leftovers)

Null:
GreyICE (TBD) << today I think?
Ooba Seraphim (The Unviggable Vegetables)

Scum:

Kagami Silverwolf (The Hitmen)
Sotty7 (The Kliq)

Zar Empire (The Westeros Circlejerk)

VOTE: Grey

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 10:05 am

follow nacho's for now.

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 10:09 am

In post 2502, ooba wrote:GreyIce is town ZZZX. Work with me here. ISO wagons.

ISO GreyIce - he literally pushed Kagami and Sotty so hard.

In post 1876, ooba wrote:Ok. Done with Day 1. Here are my thoughts:

- Kagami, Sotty, Eddie, Zar literally just lurked out the end of the day
- Kagami used GreyIce suspicion as a crutch to literally comment on nothing else throughout the entire day.
- This is similar to wgeurt's MS suspicion at the start of the game - but his play improved as the day continued - I liked the Kagami vote when Hoopla's wagon looked like it might die down.

-
Nacho and GreyIce are the towniest of town
. I'm no expert scum hunter, but I am good at town hunting. Their conviction is extremely genuine. People hold Nacho to some godlike town standard but there are many nuggets of town here:
a) His reads look spot on
b) The "I don't know how many scum bodies I have to drop"
c) Saying this is good to GreyIce's "Let's lynch Kagami today. If she flips town, I'll help you with Nacho tomorrow" to ABR

I'll drop this now and will update after Day 2.

Vote: Sotty

Ooba if we listened that much yesterday we wouldnt have lynched kagami. would we?

I will follow and read.

but this game is on auto win right now.

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 10:10 am

like personally i wana lynch zar first but i cant cus i must listen to nacho

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 10:11 am

In post 2096, Nachomamma8 wrote:My personal death list is:

Sotty ---> Kagami ---> GreyICE ---> Zar.

Are you going to follow those names when I flip town, Grey?

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 10:16 am

In post 2497, quadz08 wrote:
VOTECOUNT 5.0Not Voting (8) - Albert B. Rampage, GreyICE, Metal Sonic, Ooba, Pirate Mollie, wgeurts, Zar, ZZZX

With 8 alive, it is 5 to lynch.

Deadline is 4/28 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-28 18:00:00).

so its 6v2 nightless atm

= 3 mislynches

cool

as long as our town block is correct we insta won.

lets say there is one scum in block

Town blok and 2 more.
which even there ends up as a 50% chance if we didnt hit the scum at all. i doubt the scum is high on the town list to survive anyway.

but this is interesting

My personal death list order btw (aka read liost >> scummiest/dies now >> townier

Grey(nacho guides us) >> Zar (my biggest current scum read) >> Ooba(i town read you man but its somewhat of a PoE) >> Wge (Idk how i should feel bout ya atm) >>> Mollie >> Metal >> ABR >> Me

@ooba i cant trust you enough to break hte block right now. if we hit one more scum we should survive even if he was scum anyway. shouldnt we make this our current goal?

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 10:17 am

In post 2509, ooba wrote:Guys just do me this favour and look at MS ISO with the knowledge that Kagami is scum.

Fine

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 10:24 am

In post 2513, ooba wrote:MS is scum - I know this now. We really need to not waste mislynches since I literally don't have that much confidence in 'Who's his partner?' read.

iso-ing metal kinda makes him look weird. I am actually thinking about this...

also grey mind posting a death list btw?

also i promised to follow nacho plan no matter what. I follow my promises.

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 10:24 am

In post 2514, wgeurts wrote:You said kagami would flip town ooba, let us have another lynch on grey.
If she flips town I'll listen and follow your vote as it's then probably more trustworthy than any other.
If grey flips scum we continue.
We have 3 mislynches, is this a deal?

this looks like what i have in mind.

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 10:26 am

actually ooba i want to ask you something interesting.

what is your top TOWN read outside of the blok?

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 10:27 am

just as an extra safety net i need one mroe guy to build a semi 2ndary town block,

reason is simple

if there is a scum in the block and we have a safety net we can ensure things work out.

You see unless both town block and the person we vote for the 2ndary blok is scum we cant lose that way.

thoughts?

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 10:28 am

In post 2520, ooba wrote:
In post 2518, ZZZX wrote:actually ooba i want to ask you something interesting.

what is your top TOWN read outside of the blok?

GreyIce - miles ahead top town for me.

another guy other than grey btw?

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 10:32 am

In post 7, Metal Sonic wrote:
I am a Daycop. I have a guilty result on Sotty7. Please commence lynching of Sotty7.

VOTE: Sotty7

GreyICE, I've heard of you. They all talk about how you are a good scumhunter. Well, this is me experiencing it for myself.

just went to check first few pages and this is iconic LOL

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 10:35 am

wait i have a briliient idea

let me check something.

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 10:38 am

In post 698, Kagami wrote:
In post 697, GreyICE wrote:Do you have any thoughts that happened during your enormous lurk-fest?

You are using this "wagon" on me as an excuse to avoid everything else that happens in this game. You get to be a
Tabula Rasa
by tunneling. Is your plan to hope to get out of it on day 2? Or just salvage the SilverWolf slot by pushing one town lynch before you go down, and leave the least information possible in your ISO?

Who is town, Kagami? Who is scum? Do you have a town read on Seraphim? I know you have one on Sotty because "I voted for her" which is hilarious in and of itself.

Scum

GreyICE (TBD)
Hoopla (Confectionery Animals)

Zar Empire (The Westeros Circlejerk)
wgeurts (Young and Beautiful)
Metal Sonic (team nocaps)
Nachomamma8 (Gestalt)
ZZZX (TEAM WITH NO NAME)

EddieFenix (The Leftovers)
Seraphim (The Unviggable Vegetables)
Sotty7 (The Kliq)
Albert B. Rampage (Blue, Meth, Blade and Associates)

Town

Now it's your turn.

GreyICE (TBD)

Hoopla (Confectionery Animals)

Zar Empire (The Westeros Circlejerk)
wgeurts (Young and Beautiful)
Metal Sonic (team nocaps)

Nachomamma8 (Gestalt)
ZZZX (TEAM WITH NO NAME)

EddieFenix (The Leftovers)
Seraphim (The Unviggable Vegetables)

Sotty7 (The Kliq)

Albert B. Rampage (Blue, Meth, Blade and Associates)

lets look at this.

random read list can contain a lot of info,

there is a scum in sera/eddie for sure. (ooba and mollie) if this is as i expect.

I doubt kagami would be scum reading a scum buddy as a main scum read in readlist.

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 10:41 am

In post 360, Kagami wrote:ICE is scum, sotty will request a venge on him. He will try to wiggle out. We'll lynch him and his team will be painfully obvious from the events of today.

You of all people should be happy about that, eddie.

In post 383, Kagami wrote:If we're lynching sotty, I want greyICE dead tomorrow on a town-flip.

If we agree on this, I'll even bring the rope to the hanging tree. Yes, I get that ABR is a maverick, but I want some recognition that this should be a thing from everyone else.

Sadly, I don't actually believe anyone is going to let sotty dictate the lynch. I don't think that will happen even if we get to 6:4 (which is pretty much identical to 7:4 in terms of town-needed-to-be-dumb), because the greyICE-hoopla theory chat was probably just soft-distancing.

It legitimately is not a bad idea, though, and despite MS's statement to the contrary, mislynched town often have the best reads. That's usually why they're mislynched.

In post 390, Kagami wrote:
In post 388, GreyICE wrote: Kagami is suddenly absolutely convinced I'm scum, but willing to hang Sotty first, because he likes my points on tokens.

Nope, but nice try. Sotty is town, you are not. The reason I'm ok with lynching sotty is that there's otherwise zero chance in this gamestate of lynching you, the actual scum. For strange cosmic reasons, a lot of people think you're town and they simply can't all be partners. Once you're lynched, your team has no prayer. As you correctly stated, this setup is a snowball-fest.

And please point me to when I "suddenly" became convinced, because I had you as scum on my first read through.

In post 416, Kagami wrote:GreyICE is scum.

Grey wants to lynch sotty. GreyICE pulls back when confronted with actual repercussions on a town-flip. That makes sotty 907% town.

Grey wants to townblock with hoopla, like, really wants to. For no reason. Then he's called on it. Now hoopla is maybe, kinda, not town, but definitely not someone he wants to lynch. Hoopla is a buddy.

Reread the game fresh with a greyice-hoopla scum perspective. It's magical how much things make sense.

In post 1143, Kagami wrote:I haven't "cleared" anyone, except maybe ABR and sotty after a GI scumflip. While I recognize it to be an unpopular opinion, "townblocking" is stupid. A vengeful strat has a wildly higher EV

In post 1168, Kagami wrote:That was back at 291 and can't possibly be confused as a vote associated with

"Seraphim is the one who intercepts, asks for why, and I oblige. This is where scum-seraphim votes kagami; it's a perfect alternative wagon for divided votes that ensures town lynches stay in the lead. I don't think I had votes at the time, but had plenty of negative sentiment, which is the juciest jump of all. He doesn't, and I see no scum motivation to change direction on GI regardless of grey's alignment. (I didn't really think of it in such depth initially, but it's worth being out there)"

This is a paragraph about seraphim being town. Not scum.

Collection of interesting quotes of kagami

will check sotty now.

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 10:43 am

In post 1835, Sotty7 wrote:I will not lynch: ABR, wgeurts, GreyICE,
Kagami

I am willing to lynch:
Nacho, ZZZX
, Zar
I want to lynch: Metal, Mollie, Ooba

hmmm....

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 10:58 am

In post 255, quadz08 wrote:
Votecount 1.4Sotty7 (3) - GreyICE, Metal Sonic, Albert B. Rampage
Metal Sonic (3) - Zar, Seraphim, wgeurts

Kagami (3)
-
Nachomamma8
,
Hoopla
,
ZZZX

GreyICE (2) -
Sotty7
, EddieFenix
wgeurts (1) -
Kagami

Not Voting (0):

Deadline is 4/9 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-09 18:00:00).

In post 482, quadz08 wrote:
Votecount 1.6
Sotty7
(3) -
Nachomamma8
, Albert B. Rampage, GreyICE
Seraphim (2) - Metal Sonic,
Sotty7

Kagami
(2) - wgeurts,
ZZZX

GreyICE (2) - EddieFenix,
Kagami

EddieFenix (1) -
Hoopla

Hoopla (1)
- Seraphim

Not Voting (1) - Zar

wgeurts is V/LA until 4/7.

Deadline is 4/9 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-09 18:00:00).

In post 522, quadz08 wrote:
Votecount 1.7Seraphim (4) - Metal Sonic, Sotty7, Albert B. Rampage, GreyICE

Kagami (3)
- wgeurts,
ZZZX, Nachomamma8

GreyICE (2) - EddieFenix,
Kagami

EddieFenix (1) -
Hoopla

Hoopla (1)
- Seraphim

Not Voting (1) - Zar

wgeurts is V/LA until 4/7.

Deadline is 4/9 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-09 18:00:00).

In post 734, quadz08 wrote:
Votecount 1.11
Kagami (4)
- wgeurts,
ZZZX, Nachomamma8
, GreyICE

Hoopla (2)
- Seraphim, Metal Sonic
GreyICE (2) -
Kagami
, EddieFenix

Sotty7 (1)
- Albert B. Rampage
Seraphim (1) - Sotty7
EddieFenix (1) -
Hoopla

Not Voting (1) - Zar

With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

wgeurts is V/LA until 4/7.

Deadline is 4/9 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-09 18:00:00).

In post 1006, quadz08 wrote:
Votecount 1.13
Hoopla
(7) - Seraphim, Metal Sonic, EddieFenix,
Kagami
,
ZZZX
, Albert B. Rampage, GreyICE
Kagami (3) -
Nachomamma8
, wgeurts,
Hoopla

Sotty7 (1)
- Zar
Seraphim (1) -
Sotty7

Not Voting (0)

With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

A lynch has been reached.

Hoopla was a
Vanilla Townie
.

In post 1026, quadz08 wrote:
Votecount 2.1
Nachomamma8
(2) - Albert B. Rampage,
ZZZX

Kagami (1)
- GreyICE

Not Voting (8) - EddieFenix, Kagami, Metal Sonic, Nachomamma8, Seraphim, Sotty7, wgeurts, Zar

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

Deadline is 4/18 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-18 18:00:00).

In post 1049, quadz08 wrote:
Votecount 2.2Kagami (4) - GreyICE,
Nachomamma8
, Zar, wgeurts

Nachomamma8 (2)
- Albert B. Rampage,
ZZZX

GreyICE (1) - Metal Sonic
Seraphim (1) -
Sotty7

Not Voting (3) - EddieFenix, Kagami, Seraphim

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

Deadline is 4/18 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-18 18:00:00).

In post 1074, quadz08 wrote:
Votecount 2.3Kagami (4) - GreyICE,
Nachomamma8
, Zar, wgeurts

Nachomamma8
(2) - Albert B. Rampage,
ZZZX

GreyICE (1) - Metal Sonic
Seraphim (1) -
Sotty7

Not Voting (3) - EddieFenix, Kagami, Seraphim

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

GreyICE is V/LA through 4/11.

Deadline is 4/18 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-18 18:00:00).[/color][/b]

In post 1288, quadz08 wrote:
Votecount 2.7Nachomamma8 (4) - Albert B. Rampage,
ZZZX
, Metal Sonic, wgeurts

Kagami (3)
- GreyICE,
Nachomamma8
, Zar
Seraphim (1) -
Sotty7

Not Voting (3) - EddieFenix, Kagami, Seraphim

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

Deadline is 4/18 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-18 18:00:00).

In post 1425, quadz08 wrote:
Votecount 2.9Nachomamma8 (3) - wgeurts, Metal Sonic, Albert B. Rampage
EddieFenix (3) -
Nachomamma8
, GreyICE,
Sotty7

Kagami (2)
- Zar,
ZZZX

GreyICE (1) - EddieFenix

Not Voting (2) - Kagami, Ooba

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

Deadline is 4/18 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-18 18:00:00).

In post 1720, quadz08 wrote:
Votecount 2.14
Kagami
(4) - Zar,
ZZZX, Nachomamma8
, GreyICE
Pirate Mollie (2) -
Sotty7
, wgeurts
GreyICE (2) - Pirate Mollie, Metal Sonic

Nachomamma8 (1)
- Albert B. Rampage

Not Voting (2) - Kagami, Ooba

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

Deadline is 4/18 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-18 18:00:00).

*ahem*

CALM THE FUCK DOWN. IT IS A GAME.

That will be all.

In post 1764, quadz08 wrote:
Votecount 2.15Kagami (4) - Zar,
ZZZX, Nachomamma8
, GreyICE
Pirate Mollie (2) -
Sotty7
, wgeurts
Nachomamma8 (2) - Albert B. Rampage, Metal Sonic
GreyICE (1) - Pirate Mollie

Not Voting (2) - Kagami, Ooba

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

Deadline is 4/18 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-18 18:00:00).

In post 2350, quadz08 wrote:
VOTECOUNT 3.1
Sotty7
(5) - GreyICE, Pirate Mollie, Ooba, wgeurts, Metal Sonic

Kagami
(1) - Albert B. Rampage

Not Voting (4) - Kagami, Sotty7, Zar, ZZZX

With 10 alive, it is 6 to lynch.

Deadline is 4/27 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-27 18:00:00).

[/quote]

p-edit: yup

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 11:00 am

notes:

- Metal/Eddie(mollie)/Sera(ooba)/Sotty were never on the kagami wagon

- Grey's voting patterns are almost always 100% town

- Wge is the same somewhat.

Sorry nacho but this is getting interesting...

So both my town reads of mollie and metal are crumbling atm....

UNVOTE:

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 11:01 am

anyway its 2:00 AM so dont you fucking dare lynch anyone until I am back

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 11:04 am

In post 2538, ooba wrote:
In post 2536, ZZZX wrote:So both my town reads of mollie and metal are crumbling atm....

Welcome to the light my friend!!

I still dont find you too towny btw but if anything i am seeing you better at this moment.

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 11:08 am

Read list after my mind got fked:
Albert B. Rampage, GreyICE, Metal Sonic, Ooba, Pirate Mollie, wgeurts, Zar,

Towniest to less townie:V
ZZZX
ABR
Wgeurts
Metal
GreyIce
Mollie
Ooba
Zar

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 1:32 pm

let me :

1- ask my team

2- check organic chem.

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 11:05 pm

*I have no idea what i should do right now*

*cries in a corner*

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 11:05 pm

Cant trust anyone at this stage

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 11:18 pm

In post 2740, Metal Sonic wrote:
In post 2738, ooba wrote:
In post 2735, ZZZX wrote:*I have no idea what i should do right now*

*cries in a corner*

In post 2736, ZZZX wrote:Cant trust anyone at this stage

ZZZX, I'm not asking you to trust me.

Give me a conditional lynch - flip me tomorrow if he flips town.

I think I've earned at least that much cred with you?

You have earned zero cred. I was on the Sotty, you were too. I took my vote away from kagami to wait for something intellectual from you, you bombard me in the night. your cred was only from forewarning that nacho was town. yet you were calling his reads sans sotty wrong every step of the way.

all you have done was to convince me that my life is not more important than yours.

Nacho explicitly said to follow whoever flips town in reads.

Dont you agree?

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 11:20 pm

I will try to form a new town blok - rebuild the game to make sure things do not go wrong.

Before i start is there anyone who doesnt agree to the fact that I am town? Because if that exists I cant really go ahead.

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 11:23 pm

In post 2744, Metal Sonic wrote:I am willing to die if the rest of the town can guarantee and swear on their avatar that they will win the game. Can they do that?

Grey, can you choose the last two scum correctly enough to do that?

I can trust people that they are town. I can trust that abr and zzzx are town. But the only one I trusted to win this game is me.

That was wrong. Ooba pointed it out clear as day.

You wake me from la la land

Can you post me a read list from strongest read to weakest read please?

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 11:35 pm

In post 2749, wgeurts wrote:
In post 2736, ZZZX wrote:Cant trust anyone at this stage

Trust me and vote MetalSonic, if Ooba's wrong we've got his vote tommorow. If he's right then us 3 should work together as a new town bloc.
All I really want right now is one more scum lynch so I can get a 2 man town bloc to win. I trust you most currently and ooba I've made this deal to see if I can trust him.
ZZZX, lets work together.
Ignore the chaos, if me, you and ooba can now become a new town bloc we can guarantee victory.
First I want to test ooba though. Please help by lynching MS.

let me read the only scum-game of ms i can think off

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 11:43 pm

Howabout we strike a deal. If grey ice agrees we push for him and if he flips town we go for metal.

Is that fine with you?

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 11:43 pm

In post 2754, Metal Sonic wrote:I am the victim here.

Sorry man but my trust in you has crumbled to below 0 right now...

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 11:44 pm

frankly ooba i dont trust you but the points you put against metal are pretty valid.

p-edit: This is cool with me.

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 11:46 pm

In post 2599, GreyICE wrote:ZZZX's voting record is an enormous gaping hole. Not a crack. His participation is an enormous, gaping hole. Not a crack.

i love how after the flips my voting pattern is hte best in game lols

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 11:48 pm

also p-edit: I am happy you understand sonic. I want to trust you i reall do but i cant after i re-read

ZZZX · Sat Apr 18, 2015 11:50 pm

In post 2762, Metal Sonic wrote:
In post 2758, ZZZX wrote:frankly ooba i dont trust you but the points you put against metal are pretty valid.

p-edit: This is cool with me.

I want you to reread organic Chem then tell everyone that I am not that way.

we lost because a tracker guilty cut our team, which I did not expect.

If I were scum I would follow nacho with 0 doubt knowing that everyone will be trusting me except mollie. Because she was not here in the early game for her to sort me.

If your trust on me is less than 0 then it is valid. I trust you.

in organic there were a few major things:

Minimum interactions with scum buddies.
Soft defending scum buddies
Putting scum buddies in the middle.

You have done all 3 in both games.

also your posting pattern is frankly the same ine very sonic game. if i listen to you any more i will get affected by emotions . I will follow nacho's plan and if grey doesnt flip scum you might die.

This is it from me.

ZZZX · Sun Apr 19, 2015 1:39 am

Grey/Metal each of you post a full read list including death list please

ZZZX · Sun Apr 19, 2015 2:39 am

hmmm... makes sense.

ZZZX · Sun Apr 19, 2015 2:46 am

In post 2776, wgeurts wrote:ZZZX, would you be willing to form a new town bloc with me, you and ooba?
Not today possibly, but tomorrow or even if needed the day after that.

if i ended up lynching metal and he was scum then sure. for now let me think and ask teammates

ZZZX · Sun Apr 19, 2015 5:30 am

so i have built the plan to break this game

*slow music starts*

So we freeze Ooba/Metal. They cant be scum together so leave them both alive,

ABR is town. honestly i found his kagami vote there towny as fuck too

so we can lynch everyone who isnt me/abr/ooba/metal catching 1 scum for sure.

then we lynch both ooba and metal

unless abr is scum this plan is fail proof

ZZZX · Sun Apr 19, 2015 5:42 am

In post 2799, wgeurts wrote:ZZZX, knowing I'm town that only leaves ICE/Mollie/Zar.
And I made a deal : |

so shouldnt there be at least 1 scum in ice / mollie / zar?

ZZZX · Sun Apr 19, 2015 5:42 am

also we are following nacho's for this mment

Vote: GreyIce

ZZZX · Sun Apr 19, 2015 6:01 am

In post 2803, ooba wrote:
In post 2802, ZZZX wrote:also we are following nacho's for this mment

Vote: GreyIce

I need you to talk to me.

Why the change? Do you think I'm scum?

Okey My team it self is unstable about this

Ooba is town .

wge is prob town

metal is leaning town/town i still believe in you but not blok materal

where the fuck is ABR

GI is null. he can die later

Zar dies now

sorry nacho but with your plan having half of the game against it i can really work it out. so I am following my own scheme.

Vote:Zar

ZZZX · Sun Apr 19, 2015 6:01 am

Metal and ooba follow me please

ZZZX · Sun Apr 19, 2015 6:01 am

do you trust me enough to let me try to do this?

ZZZX · Sun Apr 19, 2015 6:11 am

actually i had an idea

ZZZX · Sun Apr 19, 2015 6:13 am

UNVOTE:
Sonic you are town right?
If you were town and accept to be killed for the good of town then write down your venge if you were town and self vote? If you were town i will not change on that . and will do what i can to win this game for you.

ZZZX · Sun Apr 19, 2015 6:13 am

6v2 right now right?
3 mislynches avalible
I am well sure of our ability to hit at least 1 scum before its too late.

ZZZX · Sun Apr 19, 2015 6:15 am

In post 2804, Metal Sonic wrote:
ZZZX
: I think you turned against me for no reason and that was dumb. I am playing nothing like organic chemistry and that wasn't even my best scumgame. I didn't try to find out the scum in orgo and I just sat on my PR. Oh and I didn't write cases. I think this is the most town I have been in any game. And paranoid. The best way to never doubt my townreads.

GreyICE
: My entire game hinged on you being scum. My reads are a critical 0 if you are town, and you can't be scum with ooba. 1554 still has a valid offer. You could've been more vocal and pushy in your reads, instead of sheeping mindlessly, which was what I took grave issue with. If we follow Nacho's plan which we SHOULD be doing, AND if you're town, I actually trust you to dayvig the remaining scum. You're expressed suspicion on Sotty and Kagami, though I found your pushes dodgy at the time, and made a misplay of suckering up to them and Eddie, they could have been argued to be better than Random.org. Nothing is better than catching scum without resistance. I know this as a vengeful and a dayvig.

wgeurts
: I thought you were pretty stupid at the start of the game but it's only recently that your posts became very smart and I actually found myself agreeing with them! Please keep it up and not let it be a temporary thing, I want you to apply that to RL so that you can be better. Of course I think that your most recent deal with ooba was really stupid, like how can ooba's vote help you in any way, but all in all I think that you're town after all.

Ooba
: If you're scum and get me lynched before you, you're getting a good player evaluation. It's not easy to knock a player off the townblock in a nightless. 1879 is still at the back of my head, so I guess you've engineered it to not having to not have to play mafia forever? If you're town, my perception is biased towards you because firstly Seraphim, and secondly OMGUS. If we do both die, I won't be upset if the town eventually wins. If the town does lose because you split the townblock and a vile one grew, however...

Zar
: You're the most useless replacement to Empire. I'm sorry I townread you because of your unbreakable posts. I never personally subscribed to Lurking = Scum, but you're at the bottom of the barrel and you have to go. I barely remember you in the game at all, and your town cred from Empire has entirely run out.

Did I miss anyone? nop!

mollie?

ZZZX · Sun Apr 19, 2015 6:15 am

In post 2812, ooba wrote:
In post 2808, ZZZX wrote:do you trust me enough to let me try to do this?

I trust you enough to call you town.

However, I have more faith in my scum reads than yours right now for particular reasons:

a) I'm a replacement this game. That means I've not been biased towards particular reads\players since I was never part of a major portion of the game. Usually, I tend to have good reads - especially if I replace in after D1.

b) My reads are also firing this game

In post 1879, ooba wrote:
In post 1878, wgeurts wrote:Can we flash wagon ooba?
Then lynch nacho?

On Page 43.

I'm town.

Plus if
a) Either of Nacho or GreyIce are scum
b) If at least one of Sotty or Kagami is NOT scum
I'll stop playing Mafia forever.

c) Your Zar seems very "one of these have to be scum so let me lynch them" types. I'd like you to consider possible partners and interactions with flipped scum. Right now, you're putting forth no argument forward that makes me go 'Oh damn. I might be wrong about MS. This Zar guy might be scum'

The last two scum are Metal and mollie. Or Metal and ABR. I implore you to sheep me on this. If I'm wrong about this, I'll give wgeurts my vote - I'll even shut up for the rest of the game if you want me to.

In post 2810, ZZZX wrote:UNVOTE:
Sonic you are town right?
If you were town and accept to be killed for the good of town then write down your venge if you were town and self vote? If you were town i will not change on that . and will do what i can to win this game for you.

ZZZX · Sun Apr 19, 2015 6:19 am

Metal even if you are town you must know how much paranoia was created and that with you alive there is no way to stop it.

p-edit: We will see how this goes..

ZZZX · Sun Apr 19, 2015 6:21 am

Sorry in advanced if you were town but I will try my best to carry this.

vote: Metal

p-edit: my team actually team reads ooba pretty hard right now, but we will see how it goes.

ZZZX · Sun Apr 19, 2015 6:24 am

UNVOTE:

ZZZX · Sun Apr 19, 2015 6:24 am

(expired on 2015-04-20 13:24:45)

ZZZX · Sun Apr 19, 2015 6:26 am

I know for sure something was redirected to varsoon but i have no freaking clue what it was...

ZZZX · Sun Apr 19, 2015 9:03 am

... Abr wtf

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 12:40 am

How about we go with my plan and freeze the Ms/Ooba duo?

if we catch one of the scum its over so instead of going for ms/ooba (when one or BOTH can be town?) why not go for the easier lynches for scum?

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 12:44 am

In post 2921, Metal Sonic wrote:even if ooba is town i am determined to cure him

i can practice my obvtowning skills again

you and ooba stay alive.

we choose one guy who is 100% to be town

we lynch everyone else

we hit scum

in the end if we still have 1 more scum we lynch you both.

so it only depends on who we pick as town to be town.

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 12:46 am

In post 2923, Metal Sonic wrote:
In post 2917, Metal Sonic wrote:First game was when I was scum and slain you with the night kill.

By the way,

you were slain because you were masons with GuyInFreezer. GIF can read me like a book, so the masons had to be eliminated. If you somehow thought that it was because of your reads, I would like you to burst that bubble.

Oh and nacho was on my team.

That reminds me. Even gif is not 100% sure about you this game. but prob town i guess?

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 12:47 am

In post 2924, Metal Sonic wrote:
In post 2922, ZZZX wrote:
In post 2921, Metal Sonic wrote:even if ooba is town i am determined to cure him

i can practice my obvtowning skills again

you and ooba stay alive.

we choose one guy who is 100% to be town

we lynch everyone else

we hit scum

in the end if we still have 1 more scum we lynch you both.

so it only depends on who we pick as town to be town.

who is "that one guy"

ABR, you, or GI?

we need 2 people, so myself and GI is good for you?

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 12:47 am

In post 2926, Metal Sonic wrote:i'm in the process to dumping on ooba because he took great efforts to fight me with the favor

I hate to break your confidence but honestly i believe ooba is town.

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 12:48 am

i actually have a hunch that both of you are town. which is why i impossed this plan

p-edit: its not me alone here, we have ika and gif

p-edit it will need time to explain

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 12:49 am

but before that i have a question i always wanted to ask. you town read grey right now?

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 12:50 am

also today abr non activety honestly destroyed the whole town block read of his, i think he is town but i have no fucking clue what he is doing...

@ wge because if my hunch that both are town is correct we are fucked

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 12:51 am

like metal do you have how much self control I am excreting to try to actually read you instead of full ham sheeping you?

THIS IS FUCKING DIFFICULT

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 12:52 am

In post 2935, Metal Sonic wrote:by the way I forgot that GIF was on your team.

P-edit: Ooba is scum, grey is conftown.

ooba is town, ABR is conftown but maybe i was paranoid about grey. so town.

p-edit 2: ooba is town, wgeurts wants to eat us both.

what do you think about going for inactives right now?

Zar is a tasty sandwish who is as inactive as both prev scum

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 12:52 am

ZZZX Mar 30, 06:54pm Apr 20, 03:52pm 0 days 0 hours 345
Metal Sonic Mar 30, 07:13pm Apr 20, 03:51pm 0 days 0 hours 695
wgeurts Mar 30, 06:46pm Apr 20, 03:49pm 0 days 0 hours 312
ooba Apr 15, 08:22am Apr 20, 02:08pm 0 days 1 hour 176
pirate mollie Apr 14, 09:37pm Apr 20, 01:41pm 0 days 2 hours 156
Albert B. Rampage Mar 30, 11:13pm Apr 20, 07:32am 0 days 8 hours 324
quadz08 Mar 22, 04:54am Apr 20, 05:14am 0 days 10 hours 58
Zar Apr 02, 09:16am Apr 20, 03:40am 0 days 12 hours 38
GreyICE Mar 30, 06:49pm Apr 19, 09:34am 1 day 6 hours 310
Kagami Apr 01, 05:50pm Apr 18, 09:49pm 1 day 18 hours 73
Nachomamma8 Mar 30, 09:02pm Apr 18, 05:48am 2 days 10 hours 257
Sotty7 Mar 31, 05:11am Apr 17, 05:35am 3 days 10 hours 31
EddieFenix Mar 30, 11:26pm Apr 14, 05:09pm 5 days 22 hours 59
Hoopla Apr 01, 10:47am Apr 08, 11:39pm 11 days 16 hours 39
Seraphim Mar 30, 10:35pm Apr 08, 05:54am 12 days 9 hours 44
zoraster Apr 01, 07:42am Apr 01, 04:41pm 18 days 23 hours 2
SilverWolf Mar 30, 06:55pm Apr 01, 04:16pm 18 days 23 hours 3
Empire Mar 30, 09:08pm Apr 01, 12:36am 19 days 15 hours 16

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 12:52 am

when you have less posts than the mod in a nightless it means something is fuckign wrong

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 12:54 am

then lets get to it.

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 12:54 am

VOTE: zar

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 12:55 am

before we sort out actives we can weed out lurking scum so we can have a pure scum hunting. we have enough lynches to make sure it works

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 12:56 am

In post 2945, Metal Sonic wrote:its really annoying when ooba is the most giant shiny glowing thing in the world and then nacho says:

In post 2088, Nachomamma8 wrote:Mollie doesn't die.
Ooba doesn't die.
ABR doesn't die.
Metal Sonic doesn't die.
ZZZX doesn't die.

its irritating

you see even if you feel it that was i believe in nacho as much as you do

lets get rid of zar for now.

vote him in your next vote. I have accepted your orders for votes all game long. its time for you to follow me.

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 12:59 am

In post 2313, ZZZX wrote:Read list v-5:

Town Blok:

---

Albert B. Rampage (Blue, Meth, Blade and Associates)
Metal Sonic (team nocaps)
ZZZX (TEAM WITH NO NAME)

----

Really Reaallly town:
wgeurts (Young and Beautiful)
Pirate Mollie EddieFenix (The Leftovers)

Null:
GreyICE (TBD)
Ooba Seraphim (The Unviggable Vegetables)

Scum:

Kagami Silverwolf (The Hitmen)
Sotty7 (The Kliq)

Zar Empire (The Westeros Circlejerk)

p-edit thank you.

pp-edit: ooba shut up and think: if metal is scum we can weed out his partners easily now. if not then we already won., also what if you both were town? what if the lurkers are scum? stop and think about it, my plan is mainly put so if any of you is scum they cant win

so follow now.

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:00 am

In post 2949, ooba wrote:MS is scum.

ZZZX, resolve the issue now.

The Zar lynch is stupid for many reasons: His first action on D4 was to analyse Sotty interactions - clear me and call Grey Conf town? Whats his endgame at this?

analysing interactions in a single post noone ever even saw doesnt mean shit. he didnt push for any lynch. he didnt do fucking shit. he can change his mind and trick if he was scum. esp if he had a team mate. what he said doesnt really mean crap

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:00 am

Ooba I swear if zar flips scum you die if you dont vote in your next post.

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:01 am

In post 2954, ooba wrote:If you want to weed out his partners, at least START WITH THE MOST PROBABLE ONE FROM INTERACTIONS TODAY. Vote Mollie - not Zar.

mollie is towny and is active. zar is not. keeping mollie alive can help if she was scum. keeping zar is fucking useless

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:01 am

Okey I am not killing anyone but zar right now,. if he flips scum then we lynch ooba as a 100% partner

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:04 am

In post 2958, ooba wrote:
In post 2955, ZZZX wrote:
In post 2954, ooba wrote:If you want to weed out his partners, at least START WITH THE MOST PROBABLE ONE FROM INTERACTIONS TODAY. Vote Mollie - not Zar.

mollie is towny and is active. zar is not. keeping mollie alive can help if she was scum. keeping zar is fucking useless

Why not just lynch via least-most posts then?

Zar as MS scumbuddy literally makes ZERO sense.
- Empire brought up the whole "lied about tokens" thing

listen I am not lynching with relationship to be a scum partner to a living person. I am doing it for someone who is as useless as crap in a nightless. a town will never do nothing in a nightless unless he deserves to die.

See hoopla

also do you think his lurking is fine? guess who the 2 lower posts were?

Both fucking scum

lets finish this with oen thing: anyone less than 100 posts since hte start of the game deserves to get lynched. its clear as fuck.

p-edit: i have been trying to make him vote zar for half the damn game, i am pretty sure thats not a silver platter. he just follows the plan. so I want YOU to do the fucking SAME.

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:05 am

METAL AND OOBA WILL NOT BE LYNCHED TODAY EVEN IF ONE OF THEM LITERALLY SCUM CLAIMED. THEY WILL BE DELT WITH LATER.

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:05 am

In post 2962, ZZZX wrote:
In post 2958, ooba wrote:
In post 2955, ZZZX wrote:
In post 2954, ooba wrote:If you want to weed out his partners, at least START WITH THE MOST PROBABLE ONE FROM INTERACTIONS TODAY. Vote Mollie - not Zar.

mollie is towny and is active. zar is not. keeping mollie alive can help if she was scum. keeping zar is fucking useless

Why not just lynch via least-most posts then?

Zar as MS scumbuddy literally makes ZERO sense.
- Empire brought up the whole "lied about tokens" thing

listen I am not lynching with relationship to be a scum partner to a living person. I am doing it for someone who is as useless as crap in a nightless. a town will never do nothing in a nightless unless he deserves to die.
See hoopla

also do you think his lurking is fine? guess who the 2 lower posts were?
Both fucking scum

lets finish this with oen thing: anyone less than 100 posts since hte start of the game deserves to get lynched. its clear as fuck.

p-edit: i have been trying to make him vote zar for half the damn game, i am pretty sure thats not a silver platter. he just follows the plan. so I want YOU to do the fucking SAME.

In post 2960, ooba wrote:
In post 2947, Metal Sonic wrote:VOTE: zar

can mollie and abr be the ones who vote PLEASE it makes me feel safe

He's been clutching at straws - making threats - stupid arguments - ATE.

And you hand some stupid plan on a silver platter.

And as soon as you vote zar - he votes zar.

Come on ZZZX. This person is not town.

please do you think my really simple and short zar case is wrong?

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:07 am

Why is he town? cus he does one post every week which is prob crafted to be a mechanic as possible? he didnt do anything deserving of a town read. both me, nacho and prob even grey will tell you that.

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:08 am

In post 2966, ooba wrote:Lynch Grey: Will flip town

this is hte only one i am sure of.

wge is leaning town

zar? dont give me that shit here. unless you are directly whiteknighting you have no other proof

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:08 am

In post 2969, Metal Sonic wrote:OOBA

IS

DEFENDING

THE

SCUM

its basically why if zar flips scum ooba dies

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:09 am

In post 2972, Metal Sonic wrote:OOBA

HAS

NO

CASE

AGAINST

ME

You DID fuckup ALOT but sadly its something you would do as both allignments

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:11 am

In post 2974, Metal Sonic wrote:i want to post an anti-ooba case

can i do it

please
please
please

mamma nacho says to not lynch ooba

sonic was responsible for not halting nacho mamma death :"(

once we get rid of mamma nacho's enemies we can go for whoever is left.

understand that brother?

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:12 am

i have come into a small conclusion after the small shitstorm. I will not focus on what suggestions anyone who didnt already flips town does. it will affect my judgement. we need to hit one scum in 4 lynches. that much i believe we can do.

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:13 am

In post 2977, ooba wrote:These are the only fucking votes in his ISO.

VOTE: Sotty

VOTE: Kagami

Vote: Kagami

Tier 1: ABR, GreyICE, Metal Sonic
Tier 2: ZZZX, wgeurts, Nacho
Tier 3: Kagami, Sotty, ooba, mollie

Who the fuck is he scum with?

ever heard of um... busing??

he didnt even push them. he had his vote parked there. forever

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:14 am

frankly if i was in the scum team i would at least push out 2 of my team mates into the drain in a lot more efficient way imho

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:15 am

i will try to do something differant. i will try to soon find the reasons why everyone might be scum. might help scum hunting later.

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:18 am

In post 1919, wgeurts wrote:As for the hypocrisy, nacho/greyICE flip reveals a lot more info than sotty/kagami flip whatever alignment they flip. You know this so my deal should of been fine.

In post 2367, wgeurts wrote:EVERYONE WHO IS TOWN
LYNCH KAGAMI TOMMOROW
IF SOTTY FLIPS TOWN WITHOUT VENG TARGET
ONE WRONGN TOWN VOTE WILL END TOWN

In post 2368, wgeurts wrote:If kagami's town I'm blacklisting her, I don't even.

In post 2384, wgeurts wrote:No
VOTE: ZZZX
Ooba, Mollie, Ice and Kagami are town.

ABR and ZZZX can get out the town bloc.
Metal Sonic, ICE, Mollie and me should be the new one.

In post 2392, wgeurts wrote:ZZZX was setting up to lynch kagami at sotty any alignment, he was recovering what he could. If ZZZX flips scum kagami is town.

Ooba gets town cred, my only doubts lie on seraphim and his super-strong nacho read. His ICE is fully correct
No way ICE hard bussed Sotty.

ICE, work with me as a new Town Bloc.

Mollie, I now trust and believe you. Work with me, I'm fine with your play so lets prove ABR wrong.

ABR is looking dodgy, however I get this nagging feeling he's town.

Zar is probably scum.

Kagami is a lot townier with this however he's wrong on ICE, I need ZZZX to flip first. If ZZZX is town we lynch kagami.

Metal Sonic, vote ZZZX.

these are the scummiest posts for wge. but generally his reasoning later felt towny. so he is leaning town.

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:19 am

will do others later but

ooba/sonic thoughts on the disappearance of ABR?

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:20 am

In post 2983, Metal Sonic wrote:Everything hinged on a GreyICE scumread.

Ooba had apparently had GreyICE as "conftown" by magic.

This is an instance when Ooba pokes the town block and see which "block" drops

i believe no matter which allignment ooba is from ooba's posts greyice is town for sure

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:23 am

In post 2986, Metal Sonic wrote:greyice disappeared

he is probably busy

same for ABR

i have never seen ooba this active before, he is normally a lurksack.

must be because of team mafia

do you agree that no matter which allignment ooba was that his greyice interaction kinda shows him as town.?

p-edit: he is not clearly town, and no you wont get my vote, I will not let my vote be controled by anyone.

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:23 am

In post 2988, ooba wrote:
In post 2962, ZZZX wrote:listen I am not lynching with relationship to be a scum partner to a living person. I am doing it for someone who is as useless as crap in a nightless. a town will never do nothing in a nightless unless he deserves to die. See hoopla

also do you think his lurking is fine? guess who the 2 lower posts were? Both fucking scum

lets finish this with oen thing: anyone less than 100 posts since hte start of the game deserves to get lynched. its clear as fuck.

p-edit: i have been trying to make him vote zar for half the damn game, i am pretty sure thats not a silver platter. he just follows the plan. so I want YOU to do the fucking SAME.

You come to a 120 page game and vote a slot that is so obviously town on these weak ass activity reasons?

I'm sick and tired of being called scum with every single person I call town because it SHOULD BE OBVIOUS TO YOU IF YOU JUST READ THE FUCKING GAME.

- Nacho was town
- GI is town
- Zar is town

So if Zar flips scum - I'm partners with him?

What if he flips town - do I get your vote for the rest of the game?

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:24 am

ooba ill be honest. I town read you BUT

My reasons were 10 times better than yours. I honestly believe that.

and I dont trust you, and I am not trust sonic (more like forcing my self not to trust him) because i know I cant trust anyone who didnt flip town.

p-edit: No, I dont trust you.

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:26 am

i agree about many points you show here.

but for now i want to keep him alive. until either zar flips scum or we flip one scum and we can flip you both (At that case your sacrifice will be for the glory of the town m8)

p-edit :

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:27 am

In post 2995, ooba wrote:
In post 2992, ZZZX wrote:ooba ill be honest. I town read you BUT

My reasons were 10 times better than yours.

Your reasons boil down to a 'He's lurking. Let's lynch him'

Mine boil down to what can only be described a panic attack to Nacho's list that had two scum leading the list.

One analysis takes into account all interactions with flipped etc. Other is a lazy metric that has no relevance when not taken in context.

one MAJOR scum tell for me is making slow posts that contain 0 emotions and not engaging in conversations with me.

Its a personal thing. ANd I will follow it.

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:29 am

In post 2998, ooba wrote:
In post 2996, ZZZX wrote:i agree about many points you show here.

but for now i want to keep him alive. until either zar flips scum or we flip one scum and we can flip you both (At that case your sacrifice will be for the glory of the town m8)

p-edit :

If you respect my points and my case, and still want to try to lynch scum while keeping MS alive - lynch Mollie, not Zar.

mollie is later. zar is now.

you see my team believe mollie to be town. i will give them respect by delaying mollies death until we confirm the more-likely-scum person

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:30 am

In post 2995, ooba wrote:Mine boil down to what can only be described a panic attack to Nacho's list that had two scum leading the list.

the reason why your case fell down tbh in my opinion was the fact that sonic has almost all the game gave his opinion that a vengeful way is stubid. it makes sense to try to talk nacho out. it felt weird even then but not weird enough to drop my town read built for 5 days

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:34 am

In post 3003, ooba wrote:Town is going to win this game since I can't be night killed. But @ZZZX: your actions might have delayed it by about 2-3 days.

I will not join a Zar wagon.

if you know we WILL win then what the fuck are you losing is you followed me who is town.

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:39 am

In post 3005, ooba wrote:
In post 3004, ZZZX wrote:
In post 3003, ooba wrote:Town is going to win this game since I can't be night killed. But @ZZZX: your actions might have delayed it by about 2-3 days.

I will not join a Zar wagon.

if you know we WILL win then what the fuck are you losing is you followed me who is town.

That works both ways.

You refuse to follow me. You insult me by asking me to 'Shut up' when I put up counterarguments.

I will still be here when you eat humble crow from a couple of town mislynches. Don't expect to me jump into said mislynches though.

Whatever floats your goat then. Its up2you to do what you want to do. The thing I learned in mafia from a few years is to push for what i believe in.

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:42 am

ooba link me most recent town and scum game

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:17 am

In post 3018, wgeurts wrote:Remember, the me-ZZZX town bloc would only need 1 scum lynch to win. We'd then lynch the rest one by one until a lylo where we'd know the final scum.

Metal, even if you're town. Do you see the logic in my plan?

As for ABR and ICE, they've gone horribly quiet.

i dont see how you dont go for ooba if metal flips town. thats a critical flaw.

i dont keep them until lylo, i keep them just before lylo

other than that its basically the same exact thing i have said... right?

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:18 am

In post 3017, wgeurts wrote:If metal, abr and mollie flip town (How likely is this?)

reaaaaly likely

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:19 am

Metal I wana follow your plan because i trust you and if you allow me to lynch you if you were town I will follow your instructions word by word btw.

I want to trust you so hard and everyone in this game wants me not to., it hurts my heart

otherwise i need to think

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:20 am

wge i read u as leaning town but not town enough to trust 100% tbh

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:21 am

In post 3024, Metal Sonic wrote:
In post 3017, wgeurts wrote:2 - If Metal flips town we lynch greyICE. If metal's town we need to go back to the nacho plan, we've abandoned it too easily.
We shouldn't yet lynch ooba, he may still be town. So we'll leave him to a lylo with me and ZZZX, then we'll win knowing he's scum.

no baby

after i flip town

you kill ooba as per my vengeful

why is ooba more town than greyice now? what is going on in your head

if you are lynched and were town i will lynch ooba and keep grey alive as town. then procead to get zar > wge > mollie > ABR in this order (but i doubt we will reach this point anyway)

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:21 am

oooh this is interesting.

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:22 am

#hypeee

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:29 am

btw metal the current (to be lynched) list is like:

-zar
-ooba(venge on you if he is town)
-mollie

looks cool with you?

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:30 am

okey my head is starting to hurt.

I will follow nacho's fuck this.

p-edit: hey! Nice to see a new face to give thoughts here

p.s Are you town? Any thoughts on the game from when it was runing ?

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:31 am

oh alchemist its you.

I keep forgetting your name but i know you from ur avi lol

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:35 am

metal i have a question

want to follow nacho's work by word starting now?

@alchemist what metal said about this being mind destruction is true.

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:35 am

also i am getting minor scum vibes from wge.

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:36 am

In post 3045, ZZZX wrote:metal i have a question

want to follow nacho's work by word starting now?

@alchemist what metal said about this being mind destruction is true.

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:38 am

I want to vote zar tbh but i dont want to fail nacho

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:38 am

In post 3054, wgeurts wrote:Metal Sonic, I have 0% trust that the townbloc is all town.

i trust in abr at least/ alchemist now.

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:39 am

lynch kagami >> sotty >> greyIce >> zar

we lynched first 2 and they flipped scum.

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:41 am

6v2
follow nachos will take at most 2 lynches

if he was 100% wrong (pro tip he wont)

4v2 we still have 2 lynches to hit one scum out of 3 people.

p-edit: trust nacho's allianment and follow him

VOTE: GreyIce

metal we have to follow now. we have nothing to lose by obeying nacho

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:42 am

In post 3062, wgeurts wrote:Nacho's plan is more decided by randomness.

he caught 2 scum already

ZZZX · Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:43 am

In post 3064, wgeurts wrote:ABR started lurking and not posting after the double scum lynch.
I feel like it could be he gave up

or he became busy and replaced out *$hint alchemist hint&*

also there is no reason for him to replace out as scum. if he was scum the game was already won for him, noone in his mind would allow his lynch.

p-edit: grey is l-4 right now so no problems.
alchemist: we follow their venge kills if they were town. and then we stop the plan.

@wge i will make sure both gets lynched before lylo if we dont hit a scum earlier