Open 596: Mega PopCorn Mafia - Over

[Nachomamma8]

trolling, probobly, but if he keeps it up it could be seen as active lurking.

This part of the read heavily implies that you're reading him as town. Why do you have him as a scum read?

But that one post seemed pretty pro-town, advocating using votes.

I disagree. The only thing that's pro-town at this juncture is analysis and pressuring while posting "hey guys we should all vote because it worked in the past!" is very decidedly null.

most of his posts are 3-5 words.

So?

[Nachomamma8]

trolling, probobly, but if he keeps it up it could be seen as active lurking.

This part of the read heavily implies that you're reading him as town. Why do you have him as a scum read?

But that one post seemed pretty pro-town, advocating using votes.

I disagree. The only thing that's pro-town at this juncture is analysis and pressuring while posting "hey guys we should all vote because it worked in the past!" is very decidedly null.

most of his posts are 3-5 words.

So?

[West9]

it felt like we were discussing it at the time that i posted.

So, you weren't ninjad. Why did you say you were ninjad?

[vonflare]

trolling, probobly, but if he keeps it up it could be seen as active lurking.

This part of the read heavily implies that you're reading him as town. Why do you have him as a scum read?

But that one post seemed pretty pro-town, advocating using votes.

I disagree. The only thing that's pro-town at this juncture is analysis and pressuring while posting "hey guys we should all vote because it worked in the past!" is very decidedly null.

most of his posts are 3-5 words.

So?

1) im saying that it's too soon to tell whether it is trolling or lurking. probobly trolling. I'm saying he

might

be a scumread

2) well, no one else made that case. i felt that it was slightly more town than scum.

3) well, its not much to go on but not contributing while posting a lot is generally considered scummy.

remember

, these are just

pregame reads

, and I do not gaurentee their accuraccy.

[vonflare]

it felt like we were discussing it at the time that i posted.

So, you weren't ninjad. Why did you say you were ninjad?

it was a big storm of posting when the game began, i was ninjad with every post at that point.

its not like im lying about being ninjad... what could i gain from that?

[vonflare]

it felt like we were discussing it at the time that i posted.

So, you weren't ninjad. Why did you say you were ninjad?

it was a big storm of posting when the game began, i was ninjad with every post at that point.

its not like im lying about being ninjad... what could i gain from that?

[Nachomamma8]

I'm saying he might be a scumread

I'm not really sure what this is supposed to mean.

3) well, its not much to go on but not contributing while posting a lot is generally considered scummy.

why? if flubbernugget made all the posts he had in this game and condensed them all into one post, would he be less scummy?

[Nachomamma8]

its not like im lying about being ninjad... what could i gain from that?

You're offering a possible explanation for behavior that's causing a player to scumread you, which is a situation with clear motive to lie.
It's sort of difficult to believe that you got ninja'd for 20 minutes in a row :/

[West9]

it felt like we were discussing it at the time that i posted.

So, you weren't ninjad. Why did you say you were ninjad?

it was a big storm of posting when the game began, i was ninjad with every post at that point.

its not like im lying about being ninjad... what could i gain from that?

That post just read to me as an earlygame attempt to look useful while not being at all useful, and your justification for it doesn't persuade me otherwise. Same with this worthless readlist.

VOTE: Vonflare

[vonflare]

I'm saying he might be a scumread

I'm not really sure what this is supposed to mean.

3) well, its not much to go on but not contributing while posting a lot is generally considered scummy.

why? if flubbernugget made all the posts he had in this game and condensed them all into one post, would he be less scummy?

1) i mean i need more information to form an accurate read on him. he is lean-scum, but these reads are far from solid.

2) no. you are misrepresenting me. I'm saying that out of all of his posts he has contributed interesting facts about the effects of intoxication on tweets, the expected lack of quality in his posting, and how tth should post more often.

[vonflare]

it felt like we were discussing it at the time that i posted.

So, you weren't ninjad. Why did you say you were ninjad?

it was a big storm of posting when the game began, i was ninjad with every post at that point.

its not like im lying about being ninjad... what could i gain from that?

That post just read to me as an earlygame attempt to look useful while not being at all useful, and your justification for it doesn't persuade me otherwise. Same with this worthless readlist.

VOTE: Vonflare

the readlist, admittedly, is not much. but the game just begain, i have not much to go on.

[Nachomamma8]

I propose that Nacho as the gunbearer (and subsequent ones that want to follow this tactic) make a short-list prior to shooting the gun and forcing everyone to comment on the shortlist to ensure that we have information before a shot is made. The voting as it is can only guarantee that votes (if even done at all) are on the spread, rather than commenting on the specific action by the gunbearer. That's what I remember from Kingmaker.

I'm planning on releasing a series of short lists as suspicions solidify, although I'm probably going to take more of a pressuring/questioning role early on so that people's thoughts solidify organically as opposed to following my confirmed town lead. I think your referendum idea is a good one; it has more depth than I thought it might, and I think that the most important thing to keep in mind with this setup is that activity flags hard when gunbearer ignores the opinions of the players surrounding them. As a result, I wouldn't mind taking point on making sure this system gets implemented by composing summarizing people's major suspicions as I pick up on them.

[Nachomamma8]

the readlist, admittedly, is not much. but the game just begain, i have not much to go on.

What are the reads you care about?

[vonflare]

the readlist, admittedly, is not much. but the game just begain, i have not much to go on.

What are the reads you care about?

The strongest read I have is my scumread on lucky because of his excusing himself from useful for the game.

[Nachomamma8]

And that's the only read you care about (aka don't see it changing in the near future)?

[Nachomamma8]

Then doing a re-read and voting for someone who mentioned about the game tactic and not fully understanding it.

What game tactic are you referring to that dcl didn't fully understand?

I would've suspected that wanderer-nl would have picked up on more in a re-read than a retread of what others are doing.

Did someone else attack dcl for similar reasons?

[vonflare]

And that's the only read you care about (aka don't see it changing in the near future)?

well, id like to change it. if lucky posts some good stuff and helps us find scum, ill be happy to put a townread on him.

[VictorDeAngelo]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Vonflare

[Nachomamma8]

Why did you make a complete reads list if lucky was your only good read?

[Flubbernugget]

2) no. you are misrepresenting me. I'm saying that out of all of his posts he has contributed interesting facts about the effects of intoxication on tweets, the expected lack of quality in his posting, and how tth should post more often.

So you're scum reading me for a post that I've already stated shouldn't be in the game and because you don't understand what an implication is?

[vonflare]

Why did you make a complete reads list if lucky was your only good read?

i felt it would be a good template for me to modify as the game goes on.

[vonflare]

2) no. you are misrepresenting me. I'm saying that out of all of his posts he has contributed interesting facts about the effects of intoxication on tweets, the expected lack of quality in his posting, and how tth should post more often.

So you're scum reading me for a post that I've already stated shouldn't be in the game and because you don't understand what an implication is?

what? im sorry, im not scumreading you.

[vonflare]

that readslist is not seriously indicating any solid reads. It is just my pregame readslist, and was created for the purpose of modification.

[Nachomamma8]

Why did you make a complete reads list if lucky was your only good read?

i felt it would be a good template for me to modify as the game goes on.

i'm afraid i don't really know what you mean by this

[Wanderer-nl]

'Whoever else' includes dcl (129) so this just feels awkward to me.

It is hypocritical, yes. But I have trouble viewing it as scummy: I think that dcl, regardless of her alignment, would be aware that she made the "shoot me" play not even two pages ago, and that as scum, she would be less likely to use that as her reasoning for her primary suspicion. Am I approaching this wrong?

Also, if she really thinks there's scum in the people calling to shoot them, then why not check back to see who exactly it were instead of writing 'whoever else'?

This sort of laziness seems null to me.

I already said it wasn't a solid case. I didn't really see anything that caught my attention besides lycky, but he was addressed for that already so I went with dcl. My vote was to stir up reactions, not a definite scumread. It's funny Vonflare is townreading me for it. Guess I did get something out of my vote.
VOTE: Vonflare

@Pablito: I think goons would encourage vengeful to be shot because it kills town in the process. So there won't be as much resistance to a vengeful being shot than if a plain goon was in danger of being shot. Honestly, I don't really know, it also depends on how scum intend to play this game. Without them having a NK, it will be harder to sort things out.

Looks like Vonflare is already under a lot of scrutiny and right now I don't have anything to add. One question: what is 'being ninjad'?

PEdit: Vonflare is looking very defensive to me. Town should always stay open to changing their reads when new info appears. His 222 seems overly defensive and frustrated and is like an excuse for suddenly changing his reads. Because in 221 he tells Flubber he doesn't have a scumread on him, but in his readslist he does.. Yeah, he can be shot.