Open 624 Fire and Ice - Fire Mafia Wins

[Shinobi]

Why can I not find this anywhere?

[Shinobi]

You mean the day that I couldn't get a single one of you idiots to actually vote scum and where if SS hadn't self targeted like an idiot we'd have lost this because he'd have probably shot me?

Fuck off. I called scum and was ignored and lost interest. There's a huge difference between that and Shinobi asking completely pointless questions and not getting at all involved between us.

I don't necessarily think this is how any of that happened tbh.

[Shinobi]

You mean the day that I couldn't get a single one of you idiots to actually vote scum and where if SS hadn't self targeted like an idiot we'd have lost this because he'd have probably shot me?

Fuck off. I called scum and was ignored and lost interest. There's a huge difference between that and Shinobi asking completely pointless questions and not getting at all involved between us.

I don't necessarily think this is how any of that happened tbh.

Why can I not find this anywhere?

SS shot himself because he thought Fire would shoot him and wanted to keep himself alive.
Guess this is one instance where it's good that people weren't listening to me.

This is a thing?

Btw, did SS really shoot himself or is he just trolling?

I am about 90% sure Viva is last scum for a few reasons.
First of I went through ISO of Silverwolf.

Did a quick Ctrl+F, used both Shinobi and Viva to see mentions:

1 Mention Vivia
44 Mentions Shinobi.

If Shinobi were scum, why was Silverwolf bussing so much in here? It seems she didn't mention Viva to keep distance.

Also RC is alive in LYLO, another scum tell for you.

I don't really think this is enough tbh.
Is this all you've got?

Shinobi has been only coming in to throw potshots at both me and Fire and IIOA while expressing any of your own reads?.
I get a definite impression that you're just hoping that one of us will vote the other so you can hammer.
I absolutely loathe the way that you've been trying to get me and Firebringer to fight the other without picking a side or sharing reads. And all these tbhs are just nasty.

Cry about it. I don't have scum yet so you puffing your chest out about how you did nothing for a dayphase after near baselessly omgus'ing someone again isn't going to make me do anything.

[Shinobi]

I'll be rereading for the next hour or so but I don't expect to have this game completely parsed until weekend due to other obligations.
I'll do what I can in the interim.

[Shinobi]

Neither Aero nor droog have good filters. They're both filled with nothing - the only plus I can give Aero is that he actually accused someone of something but I already addressed that on page one.

The only thing I can really give FB credit for is pushing the no-lynch plan but even that isn't really worth much in the grand scheme of things.

[Shinobi]

Also sort of irrelevant but something I felt like pointing out:
RC pointed out a game I RVS'd normally in, where I was scum, and tried to sell it as a scumtell.

I'm not sure if it's entirely relevant but it's a thing that happened.

[Shinobi]

I word-saladeded that last post but don't worry about it.
RC"s day one thus far doesn't look that terrible - it's full of over-emphasis on almost everything he posts which is pretty much what I would expect from him. His logic is sort of sound but there are a few instances where I couldn't follow it clearly, though the relevance of that wrt his alignment is questionable.

[Shinobi]

Droog actually looks even worse in context - his whole perspective of the game seemed so idle and apathetic.

[Shinobi]

I'm done for tonight. I'll try to do more tomorrow but probably won't get PC time until Saturday.

[Shinobi]

Going to be honest Shinobi, if you put Viva at L-1, I would immediately hammer. I am that positive its him over you.

How tempting.

[Shinobi]

And now that you know it's me you should know full fucking well why I chose that game instead of looking for one where you were town.

I don't.
Enlighten me instead of acting like an angry baby.

[Shinobi]

No, Firebringer is the one acting like an angry fucking baby.

Shut up.

[Shinobi]

And this misrepresentation is fucking awful.
I never said it was a scumtell to not RVS; I said it was odd for him to act the way he did with that faked superiority about RVSing when he RVSes normally in other games.

Which I was scum in.
How would that be an accurate representation of my townplay if I was scum?

[Shinobi]

Fine.

[Shinobi]

Game is hard.

[Shinobi]

Uhhhhh what?

[Shinobi]

You

are

aware that I'm still rereading the entire game, yes?

[Shinobi]

Well okay then.
VOTE: VLG

Guess that saves me the trouble of actually trying to read anything.
Pedit: Because I might have important things to say/new insights or some variant thereof?

[Shinobi]

/shrug
I have nothing more to add at this point. If RC is going to continue to be delusional then I'm totally okay with this game going down in flames the way it is.

[Shinobi]

in fact fuck it.

VOTE: Shinobi

if I'm losing this I'm voting scum.

This is me not voting.
CONFIRMED TOWN

Huh.

[Shinobi]

I'm going to be honest, FB - I'm pretty surprised.
I don't think I ever would have voted RC over you.

[Shinobi]

I am going to be honest with you. I thought I was getting lynched 100%.
I just didn't want to be the one to fuck this game up.

Don't get me wrong - I would have given you plenty of time and would've tried to talk to you as much as I could have before voting. I'm not sure how much swaying I would have taken but I would've given you a chance to talk about stuff in the very least.

[Shinobi]

FB - if you need anything explained or have any questions, ask away.

[Shinobi]

We

are

still playing mafia, right?
Pedit - sure, I guess?

[Shinobi]

I want RC to come in here and keep it up with his dickish attitude cause it amuses me.

I'd rather that neither of you continued this.
I'm just here to play mafia.

[Shinobi]

Shinobi, who would you have killed last night if you were fire?
Same to you Viva.

Not Aristo lmao.
I'd probably be shooting into RC/S_S - both looked relatively interested in the outcome of the game as opposed to you/Aristo last dayphase. I'm a huge sucker for active/passionate players and I generally rate them significantly higher on my kill-list than people who dither about.

If you forced me to come up with a more concrete answer, I'd have probably just said SS, simply because it seemed like a far more neutral kill than RC.

[Shinobi]

Associative reads are dumb.

[Shinobi]

Shinobi, who would you have killed last night if you were fire?
Same to you Viva.

Not Aristo lmao.
I'd probably be shooting into RC/S_S - both looked relatively interested in the outcome of the game as opposed to you/Aristo last dayphase. I'm a huge sucker for active/passionate players and I generally rate them significantly higher on my kill-list than people who dither about.

If you forced me to come up with a more concrete answer, I'd have probably just said SS, simply because it seemed like a far more neutral kill than RC.

Like how is that the most obviously faked answer ever.
'not Aristo'

About as faked as "tbh" and "how tempting."

[Shinobi]

your case on Shinobi town is entirely unfalsifiable. you're describing scummy waffling as honest.
like Shinobi is an obvious scumfuck and you should lynch him for that. not because of anythign to do with reading me.

Honestly, I don't know why you voted him to be honest. You would have had way better shot if you voted me.

This is mostly wifom, ftr - not stuff you should factor into your main read on a player at any point.

[Shinobi]

I want to go back to old fire. Who would yolo at LYLO.
Being this indecisive is literally killing me.

And I said a few pages ago I would instant hammer you

Again - if you have some sort of issue with me I'm perfectly happy to talk to you about it.

[Shinobi]

Again - if you have some sort of issue with me I'm perfectly happy to talk to you about it.

Now see, this seems like a scum post.

What does that mean?

[Shinobi]

What he means is that you're scum and it's pretty fucking obvious.

Your rhetoric is getting old.
You've essentially said nothing in the past few pages aside from harping on you being town while cramming wifom down everyone's throats.

[Shinobi]

Oh, and you also swore a lot.
Gj I guess.

Pedit - I don't know, I felt pretty confident considering you were all gung-ho about voting RC and it seemed like we kinda had it.
Do I need to be jumpy about something aside from you psyching yourself out?

[Shinobi]

I mean look at it from my perspective.
Someone I've had difficulty engaging for the majority of this game and who has been attacking me votes me because I said "tbh" and because I didn't catch up fast enough.
The other guy in lylo is the guy who's practically dead-set on voting him.

I was worried that I'd have to put a ton of work in but it seems like it worked itself out, so lol.

[Shinobi]

Alternatively I can break out the babby rage and act like a 2 year old so you townread me more.

Pedit - Yes, I was relatively confused when you did that.
As is Firebringer, and rightfully so.

[Shinobi]

edit - I don't know, I felt pretty confident considering you were all gung-ho about voting RC and it seemed like we kinda had it.
Do I need to be jumpy about something aside from you psyching yourself out?

So you felt 'pretty confident' when your main townread who you 'would never have voted over Fire' voted you and you say 'Uhh what?'
And yeah, it's a common thing by people who don't know how to fake emotionality. Which is exactly Shin and part of how I caught him in that stupid game with Thor.

My range is a

little

bit wider than that.

[Shinobi]

No, you can't. You don't have the capability to genuinely fake something like that.
There's a reason I picked you page 1 here and within minutes of replacing in the aforementioned game. Your scum game is weak.
I think this whole detached tone thing from you is actually a huge scumtell as well but I'd need to do more meta research on that.

And Fire, for the record me and SW bussed Taly in Open 613.
I can post chunks from the scum PT if you're interested in the discussion around it.

My range is a little bit wider than that.

I notice that you're not arguing that you're not scum though.
And no, I don't think your range is. Go do something and show your scum range then. Let's see it.

Alternatively you can go ahead and read the end of that game that you quoted early on instead of continually proving that you never actually read any of my games.

[Shinobi]

It's actually pretty impossible to miss - even the obs QT pointed out that I was faking emotions rather well and I think you'd be hard pressed to actually try to sell the fact that my range is as narrow as you're implying it is.

Pedit - I didn't actually say that in my last post but good job for misinterpreting it I guess.

[Shinobi]

Oh, that's what I thought you were talking about.
And nah, your emotion faking is awful. I've seen it. Maybe it was better in that game, idk.
Link me the posts you think that you did a good job of faking emotion in and I can look it over.

Naw, pal - that's not how this game works.
If FB needs to look at it then I can show him, but I don't really care if you need me to hold your hand and show you the games that you link which you don't actually read at all.

[Shinobi]

I have nothing else to add.
I'm town.

[Shinobi]

k bud

[Shinobi]

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[Shinobi]

Why, FB, did you do that?

[Shinobi]

I don't even have words.
I fought all game and you guys still lynched me.

Why do I even bother?

[Shinobi]

Why, FB, did you do that?

Don't blame FB.
I've only been lynched once as scum in the last two years and Firebringer was a leading proponent of the wagon.
Things went really downhill for town when I predicted SS's self target.

Fuck off.

[Shinobi]

I really shouldn't be mad because you played well but I'm tired of getting mislynched so frequently.
I was the prime lynch target of near everyone almost all game, wound up in lylo, and got lynched and someone expected me to flip scum?

Dumb.

Pedit - I know but the inverse is absurd and you know it.

[Shinobi]

No.