Micro 652 - Double Day Unlimited (Over)

[Thor665]

How else do you get someone to post more?

Asking them a question as opposed to inviting other people to attack their actions for you?

I could keep citing these growing pains but this is the basic idea throughout

You have successfully shown that evidence supports the idea he is probably a newbie.
I fail to see the alignment presumption that follows.

I fail to see your presumption the same way.

Since I'm not trying to argue that the slot is newb, it doesn't really matter.
You are trying to argue the slot is town - what part about asking questions about general gameplay speaks to alignment?

[qubixes]

@Thor:

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Nmego vibes very scum to me.

Did you find particular posts by nmego that gave you scum vibes?

What do you think of my (short) analysis of nmego in 176? I'll add that there does seem to be a change in attitude after getting (kind of?) called out by ecane in 142. All in all, I'm not seeing the obv-town, but I'm not really leaning scum on him either.

[qubixes]

@ecane: Why do you think my vote was terrible?

[Lowell]

I'm back, anything good happening?

[Thor665]

@Thor:

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Nmego vibes very scum to me.

Did you find particular posts by nmego that gave you scum vibes?

What do you think of my (short) analysis of nmego in 176? I'll add that there does seem to be a change in attitude after getting (kind of?) called out by ecane in 142. All in all, I'm not seeing the obv-town, but I'm not really leaning scum on him either.

For Nmego it is pretty much a body of work opinion. As noted in my earlier discussion about him - I find his posting pretty empty.
I think you finding his sudden eagerness to leap onto the Creature wagon to not be a particularly brilliant example to hold up as townish. Even if I presume he's town, he looks just eager to make any wagon happen in that post. If I presume he's scum he's opportunistic, and playing a protective game on himself. Neither is a particularly good look, and the scum one at least presumes he cares, so feels more likely in a vacuum.

[Thor665]

I'm back, anything good happening?

We're lynching N_M and Flubber.

[Lowell]

Flubber, sure. N_M, no.

[Thor665]

Why do you townread N_M? The difference in play isn't brilliant, but this feels like his more lurky scum play than his slightly less lurky town play.

[ChaosOmega]

Votecount 1.1.05

Lowell (3) - Flubbernugget, Not_Mafia, ecane
Flubbernugget (3) - Not_Mafia, Thor665, Creature
Not_Mafia (3) - Flubbernugget, nmego12345, Thor665
malpascp (2) - Lowell, Not_Mafia
qubixes (2) - Lowell, ecane
Creature (2) - Lowell, nmego12345
Thor665 (2) - Lowell, Not_Mafia
nmego12345 (1) - Not_Mafia
ecane (1) - Lowell

Not Voting (2) - malpascp, qubixes

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2016-10-25 15:59:37)

[qubixes]

For Nmego it is pretty much a body of work opinion. As noted in my earlier discussion about him - I find his posting pretty empty.
I think you finding his sudden eagerness to leap onto the Creature wagon to not be a particularly brilliant example to hold up as townish. Even if I presume he's town, he looks just eager to make any wagon happen in that post. If I presume he's scum he's opportunistic, and playing a protective game on himself. Neither is a particularly good look, and the scum one at least presumes he cares, so feels more likely in a vacuum.

I'm interested to hear nmego explain his reasoning, but if he's town, I'm assuming he feels strongly about the read, not just to make any wagon happen. How did you get that impression from the post?

He wasn't really in any kind of danger imo, at least superficially speaking from the way others seemed to read him. So he would have to realize that his non-committal style was going to be a danger to him. He might have for sure (that's why I added the ecane comment, because it reads as a hint in that direction), but given his newer player status this is at least somewhat less likely. Why do you think it could be opportunistic? Given the state of the game it's hard to imagine creature getting lynched over that, though to be fair newbie scum might not realize that.

I do agree with his posting being empty, and on the safe side for the most part. I could see newbie town doing that as well though.

[Thor665]

I'm interested to hear nmego explain his reasoning, but if he's town, I'm assuming he feels strongly about the read, not just to make any wagon happen. How did you get that impression from the post?

Because it came out of nowhere and doesn't particularly jive with all his handwringing about L-2 and L-1.

Why do you think it could be opportunistic? Given the state of the game it's hard to imagine creature getting lynched over that, though to be fair newbie scum might not realize that.

I do agree with his posting being empty, and on the safe side for the most part. I could see newbie town doing that as well though.

Oh, look, you built a fence so I can already point to the two separate fields.
You appear to utterly agree with what I'm seeing insomuch as it exists.
What are you even asking me about?
The strength of the read?
I'm not voting him and don't have him listed as my top two scum. At taht stage,w ith you able to see and understand that his actions can look like scum actions, and actually arguing my stance for me even when asking me about it, and aware that he's not my top scumread - where is this going and what are you doing?

[qubixes]

I'm trying to get a better read on nmego, so I'm trying to bounce off my ideas about the slot to you. I have a town read on your slot. Understanding your thought process could also help solidify (or not) both my reads (though most importantly nmego's). Anyway, if we agree, then yes it is kind of pointless.

I don't have anything to add to the accusations towards flubbernugget (i.e. I agree). I have no read on N_M, because of the lack of posts.

[ecane]

@ecane: Why do you think my vote was terrible?

You made regards towards Creature's PoE just when he voted you, which just seemed too defensive to me. And voting for him because he didn't do that in 2 other games you chose to look at just seemed silly.


@Creature, Thor
Have you both played with Flubber before? You mentioned he's pretending to be solving the game. Are there any other games that made you think that, or are there any concrete examples here?
I don't see him as particulary townie, but not scummy either.

@Lowell, why haven't you answered my question yet?

[Thor665]

@Creature, Thor
Have you both played with Flubber before? You mentioned he's pretending to be solving the game. Are there any other games that made you think that, or are there any concrete examples here?
I don't see him as particulary townie, but not scummy either.

I have played with him at least once prior to this game.
I would say the evidence is easily present in this game, and when I made the statement it was entirely based on this game.
As an easy example - read his first 10 or so posts in the game, and note that he isn't really applying much pressure, isn't offering opinions, and the most focused attack he has is basically asking other people to attack someone for something he doesn't even find scummy but agrees with.
I would happily argue that the first real genuine idea expressed clearly that is unquestioningly scumhunting doesn't come in until 27 posts in. Giving him something like a 25/1 ratio of empty posting to posts that look like scumhunting.

Do you think he looks like he's solving anything?
If so - what?
If not - why ask this?

[Flubbernugget]

Since I'm not trying to argue that the slot is newb, it doesn't really matter.
You are trying to argue the slot is town - what part about asking questions about general gameplay speaks to alignment?

You're trying to argue the slot is scum

It does matter

[Flubbernugget]

Did you find particular posts by nmego that gave you scum vibes?

This should be good

[Flubbernugget]

@Thor:

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Nmego vibes very scum to me.

Did you find particular posts by nmego that gave you scum vibes?

What do you think of my (short) analysis of nmego in 176? I'll add that there does seem to be a change in attitude after getting (kind of?) called out by ecane in 142. All in all, I'm not seeing the obv-town, but I'm not really leaning scum on him either.

For Nmego it is pretty much a body of work opinion. As noted in my earlier discussion about him - I find his posting pretty empty.
I think you finding his sudden eagerness to leap onto the Creature wagon to not be a particularly brilliant example to hold up as townish. Even if I presume he's town, he looks just eager to make any wagon happen in that post. If I presume he's scum he's opportunistic, and playing a protective game on himself. Neither is a particularly good look, and the scum one at least presumes he cares, so feels more likely in a vacuum.

Yep it was good

Half the game is at L2 and only one player looks like opportunistic scum for it?

NM Ecane and Lowell look a LOT more opportunistic than that

[Flubbernugget]

Flubber, sure. N_M, no.

I will die of laughter if you're both scum

[Flubbernugget]

the most focused attack he has is basically asking other people to attack someone for something he doesn't even find scummy but agrees with.

This is objectively wrong

And if you're saying attack with implications of scumread we're on further pages than I thought

[Thor665]

Since I'm not trying to argue that the slot is newb, it doesn't really matter.
You are trying to argue the slot is town - what part about asking questions about general gameplay speaks to alignment?

You're trying to argue the slot is scum

It does matter

How does evidence (or lack thereof) of the slot being newb matter to me claiming the slot is town?
I also note you dodged the question for a second time.

Half the game is at L2 and only one player looks like opportunistic scum for it?

Ouch - it hurts when you cram words in my mouth like that

NM Ecane and Lowell look a LOT more opportunistic than that

I agree on N_M (who I scumread more than Nmego and also agree on Lowell with some reservations depending on how he fields my question. I disagree on Ecane and would love it if you could describe the slot's opportunism to me exactly.

the most focused attack he has is basically asking other people to attack someone for something he doesn't even find scummy but agrees with.

This is objectively wrong

I disagree, but let's let someone who isn't you make a value call, since you actually are unlikely to be objective on the question regardless of your alignment.

And if you're saying attack with implications of scumread we're on further pages than I thought

So you attacked like that without having a scumread?

[Flubbernugget]

How does evidence (or lack thereof) of the slot being newb matter to me claiming the slot is town?
I also note you dodged the question for a second time.

I told you why I thought nmego was town. I then gave you examples. I brought you to water and you didn't drink. That's fine. Handwaving that by accusing me of dodging your question is dishonest and scummy.

[Flubbernugget]

I can't clip lines out of your wall anymore. Yay phone posts.

Ecane's 26 looked like pushing towards an easy accidental mislynch under the guise of getting reactions. This is especially so considering there was some decent anti town behavior that sat before 26 for comment

[Flubbernugget]

You are still objectively wrong regardless of my perspective by the definition of objective. Are you really going to argue that a passing aggravation is more focused than a vote with an accusation under it?

[Flubbernugget]

And yes I "attacked" your slot without scumreading it and I stand by it. When is the last time you found scum by rubbing their back and kissing them on the cheek?

[Flubbernugget]

VOTE: not mafia

L2

What's wrong with what I'm doing?

The best way to hide as scum is to townhunt

And this is because you're extremely predictable so I know you're going to look at 222 and think "well Flubber didn't cite it so he must be bullshitting"