Mini Normal 1883 | Under the Sea | Endgame

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Boon v Eddie is like a lost case TvT.

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Oh nice, I got questions in a wall, who reads walls?

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It's good to see which wagons you'll more support? Town sometimes want to cooperate with others.

Yes, it was.

Questioning is useful, even if you don't share what you think to town. Probably you're undecided and want others to get their own views.

And here comes the difference between scummy and "just awkward"

Eddie's selfvoting is oriented towards getting scum lynched even if it means getting lynched before (which I disagree). If he was scum, he had a good wagon to join on me.

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I already answered there

It's good to see which wagons you'll more support? Town sometimes want to cooperate with others.

Yes, it was.

Questioning is useful, even if you don't share what you think to town. Probably you're undecided and want others to get their own views.

And here comes the difference between scummy and "just awkward"

Eddie's selfvoting is oriented towards getting scum lynched even if it means getting lynched before (which I disagree). If he was scum, he had a good wagon to join on me.

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Again I'm getting the feeling the wagon isn't on scum (XnadrojX).

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Wait a while

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First sentence is a response to 864. Second to 876. Third to the middle question (probably directed to anyone) of post 886. Fourth is related to 895. Last (fifth) is an answer to 898.

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Did you call the wagon on you a "good one?"

If I did, I didn't mean that.

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I'm still up to l off LUV.

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LUV still hasn't improved. It's not a new case that requires me to explain it.

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How I'd explain my case on JarJarDrinks would be that "he's too normal".

Though, it feels like there's a giant button of "normal" and a lot of other buttons that are basically "out of normal". JarJarDrinks would be like pressing the giant button of "normal" in slow motion.

I'm not sure how I would expect him to press these buttons if he was town, I just don't feel like this is his way of being town.

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idk what Titus is doing at the XnadrojX wagon.

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Not sure how much I'll oppose Boonskiies. It looks better than XnadrojX wagon.

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I don't even know how a Jordan wagon formed but why are your opposed to it?

There was a Jordan post I liked, let me fetch it.

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If my method doesn't agree with you, you can take it up with me instead of hiding behind a naked vote and calling people to me who can actually think up their own reasons why I could be scum.

Calling out massive, Titus, Boonskiies

This

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VOTE: Gin

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I just needed to find the post I wanted to quote.

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Do you think scum is pushing him?

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ironstove, ironstop

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Why is LUV town again?

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Oh nice, someone I townread is at L-1.

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I didn't think about this possibility yet.

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tbh I wouldn't mind if you were nightkilled nor if you survived the night.

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I sorta wanted to lynch scum today.

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Eddie Cane, Formerfish, JupiterCrush and XnadrojX are my townreads.

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TwoFace will eventually have blacklisted the entire MS playerbase.

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Titus, where are you? Let's not let Gin outloud us.

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I could do Boonskiies (though I feel like he'll flip town).

I'd still prefer Lil Uzi Vert (who looks pretty under the radar) or TheRealGinTonic.

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Agree associatives is bad, but not scummy in general.

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Realeo MortFeld - Looks town
TwoFace - Probtown

Formerfish

XnadrojX

JupiterCrush

Boonskiies - idk tbh

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MooginSoosy * - Looks bad
TheRealGin-N-Tonic GreenNope - Not looking town
Lil Uzi Vert JarJarDrinks - Terrible

Eddie Cane

massive - Meh town
Titus - Null

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Atleast they're readable unlike most of the playerlist.

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What page are you at?

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I doubt mod would allow players force-replacing someone unless he's frequently prod-dodging or being toxic.

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Key watchever

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He probably mean't "I'll just defend myself"

If a mislynch doesn't give scum, it advances scum win condition (actually any mislynch does unless they can't win anymore).

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How can you as a player find something scummy if you are guilty of doing the same thing?

Some players frequently do something as town, some players not.

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By being a bad player, do you mean interfering in town win condition as town or just being annoying?

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If town decides to lynch someone just because they consider something they do "bad for town", then scum has enough mislynches to win the game.

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Hi Realeo.

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Okay, hopefully we have enough time to not let XnadrojX mislynch simply happen.

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Okay, guess this is just a 12-player game then.

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FormerFish, why are you still at this Jordan wagon?

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I sorta wanted to lynch LUV because I am reasonable confident he's scum.

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Focused on him the entire game no.

Had him pinned as scum the entire game yes.

JarJarDrinks doesn't play like this as town and LUV doesn't play like this as town either.

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Mini 1796 - Noticeable aggressive play
Mini 1841 - Nearly unnoticed and not much mentioned

Mini 1865 - Enoughly engaged and active
PYP - Low-hanging, few to zero defense

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Remember Large Normal 200?

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Focused on him the entire game no.

Had him pinned as scum the entire game yes.

JarJarDrinks doesn't play like this as town and LUV doesn't play like this as town either.

But playing different doesn't mean they are automatically scum. You can't use that as a reason to scum read somebody

Nobody can be automatically scum barring mechanisms. Though, I still can use that as a reason to scumread somebody if I think it's fair.

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If you're town you literally have no idea how to play this game.

Let's see how accurate we were when game ends then.

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This is why I basically ignore anything you say and will do the opposite of what you do.

Okay, then let's just lynch XnadrojX and Eddie Cane.

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I sorta wanted to lynch LUV because I am reasonable confident he's scum.

Do you have a case I missed on Luv or is this another one of your naked lynch suggestions?

Mini 1796 - Noticeable aggressive play
Mini 1841 - Nearly unnoticed and not much mentioned

Mini 1865 - Enoughly engaged and active
PYP - Low-hanging, few to zero defense

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Mini 1796 - Noticeable aggressive play
Mini 1841 - Nearly unnoticed and not much mentioned

Mini 1865 - Enoughly engaged and active
PYP - Low-hanging, few to zero defense

Do we need to look at those games ourselves? Or do you think you could give us some context to back up your post.

Would you rather watch a movie or have someone explain it for you?

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If by case you mean quoting each post in their ISO and pointing a flaw, then it's not needed. I just need to point the solid, what really is AI.

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What is solid for me from LUV is that he's simply not showing his potential.

It's easy for scum to not say anything scummy so town can't use that as a solid case against them, but that usually involves them being less engaged. I'm feeling like LUV is being less engaged this game rather than being town aggressively gamesolving. This is what I feel about LUV, I can't quote a post because what is solid doesn't come from a post, it comes from him as a whole in this game.

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What is solid for me from LUV is that he's simply not showing his potential.

It's easy for scum to not say anything scummy so town can't use that as a solid case against them, but that usually involves them being less engaged. I'm feeling like LUV is being less engaged this game rather than being town aggressively gamesolving. This is what I feel about LUV, I can't quote a post because what is solid doesn't come from a post, it comes from him as a whole in this game.

It seems like you are willing to ignore all the other scummy shit people are doing to focus on the lack of scummy shit coming from LUV.

Tell me what is the scummy shit for you.

I might have missed it or I simply disagree it's scummy shit.

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Someone not being scummy means you give a town read.

Someone being scummy mean you give a scum read.

YOU DO NOT LYNCH A PLAYER FOR NOT BEING SCUMMY.

Wrong

Someone being towny means you give a town read.

Someone being scummy means you give a scum read.

Someone not being towny nor scummy means you simply put them as null and accept any form or sorting them.

I won't townread someone just because they didn't post anything solidly scummy.

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Link it.

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I could see town thinking about this possibility even though it's unlikely (and I'm not sure if ironstove has enough experience to know that's untrue). It isn't much something scum would do.

Was 43 and 44 explained somewhere?

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What's wrong with his AtE? Only scum AtEs?

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If my method doesn't agree with you, you can take it up with me instead of hiding behind a naked vote and calling people to me who can actually think up their own reasons why I could be scum.

Calling out massive, Titus, Boonskiies

What do you think about this post?

It isn't particularly what scum would post. It seems like town frustation.

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Where he AtEs?

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Formerfish said he AtE'd, but I don't really see anything like "wtf guys I'm town you all suck" and I wonder which part he's talking about.

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If I get an idea of what kind of AtE Formerfish means, maybe I can tell if it's scum AtE otherwise I'll give a sample that town already AtE'd like that.

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Ugh, feel like he's insulting there. Though, I doubt it's something that can only be explained by him being scum.

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TwoFace will probably end this game blacklisting half the playerlist knowing him.

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If you read the quote inside 1224 you'll understand.

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People don't need to explain when a player has just done something scummy

Oh really?

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VOTE: LUV

I don't need to explain when LUV has just been scummy.

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Good thing XnadrojX got some active opposers.

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VT.

Now, if you lynch me right now and I flip town, town gets absolutely no info to use for Day 2. Do you allow that?

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Okay, one of Titus/Boon/massive then.

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Where's the last VC?

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Too lazy to count votes.

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VOTE: Boon

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3 days and 6 hours.

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I townread all of Eddie Cane, XnadrojX and JupiterCrush.

Eddie Cane and JupiterCrush don't look survivalistic at all.

XnadrojX's posts look genuine rather than scum under pressure.

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He'll probably be nightkilled as he's a PR claim.

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He isn't survivalistic.

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Him using someone not confirming their PMs as a reason to townclear them is crazy for scum.

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1276 also looks more likely coming from town than scum

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Let me see how ironstove plays then.

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Ugh, yeah, he's posting way less.

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So you don't want to lynch them today because they are a PR claim?

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Gin and LUV are still more likely scum. I want the focus to be on them Day 2 if we don't get scum today.

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Ugh, Boon is pretty town.

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Okay, whatever, stick with XnadrojX then, but next day we'll have to reconsider if this flips town.

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UNVOTE:

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Feeling like Jordan will flip town, but whatever. Tomorrow we can start lynching players like LUV or Gin.

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still not joining jordan though so let's talk a new wagon

Who would you want to wagon?

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Penguin was meh, so I'd not oppose him.

I guess I'd only oppose Júpiter.

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Where's the lie?

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I could flashwagon Gin.

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VOTE: Gin

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Townreads or scumreads?

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We can still work on a flashwagon.

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I'll still wait.

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Hi, momo.

You need to claim in your next post.

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Okay, momo is town.

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Btw, JupiterCrush already claimed before, just wanted to see if you would answer differently.

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Gin and LUV. I'm undecided between the two, but I want both dead before LyLo (if it's going to happen).

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1 day, 23 hours, 44 minutes

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Preferably...Don't. Leave. For. The. Last. Day.

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Let's do something like this:

We flashwagon someone. If that person claims a believable PR, maybe we could go for me as the backup (since I am claimed VT).

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I guess Gin has more support.

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Where 1 is scummiest, 10 is confirmed town (in that case me to myself) and 5 is null:

Realeo - 7
TwoFace - 6
Formerfish - 7
XnadrojX - 6
JupiterCrush - 9
Boonskiies - 8
Creature - 10
PenguinPower - 3
TheRealGin-N-Tonic - 1
Lil Uzi Vert JarJarDrinks - 1
Eddie Cane - 9
massive - 5
Titus - 5

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So I have PP + Gin + LUV as my scumteam

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If one of them is town, the alternative is probably between massive and Titus.

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Still think any of Boon or momo will flip scum?

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PP and LUV is a part of the scumteam yes

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Gonna go do more later.

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I'd rather lynch someone who's more likely scum than momo (like LUV, PP, etc).

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What's the VC? I find it irritating to count votes.

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hohohohoho

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VOTE: LUV

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creature you wanted a vc and now where did you go? lol

I was waiting mod edit the VC post.

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If you're talking about me, I'll try to do it later.

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LUV's hammered btw

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Tracker + Roleblocker?

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Why did you target him?

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momo: *says he's targetting Gin or LUV*
LUV: *targets Gin*

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If we aren't going to lynch any of the PR claims, we could go for PP, scum can't keep claiming PR always anyway.

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idk, I trust you, just that I have this paranoia over lynching PRs.

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I'll keep my vote though.

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Soon to be banned user

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Btw, there can be a town roleblocker or a scum roleblocker, so can there be a town tracker or a scum tracker.

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VOTE: PenguinPower

This got pretty easy.

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Btw, I won't lynch momo. I'll try to get one more scum so he becomes a dangerous tool against scum.

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Would you mind if we ended the day earlier?

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Btw, maybe you should say who you're roleblocking.

If PP flips scum, follow it so maybe you can clear someone if you get nightkilled.

If PP flips town, you don't need to follow it.

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If you want a roleblock target suggestion, I already have one in mind.

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If PP flips town, you don't need to follow it.

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Just incase PP flips scum.

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I am reasonably confident he will flip scum, almost as much as I was at JarJar/LUV.

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L-2

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Btw, remember to let momo say who he's roleblocking if PP flips scum.

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Creature who is ur suggestion??

TheRealGin_N_Tonic

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Honestly, if we announce that, as scum I would just no kill. There's a lot of WIFOM involved in that approach. I guess we have enough potential mislynches to go through it.

If scum nokills, they at most get a mislynch, but the roleblocker will still be here, and if they keep nokilling, the game will be nightless, aka very town favored.

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He's a normal alignment cop, except that nothing but nightkills will work on him.

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Btw, I won't lynch momo. I'll try to get one more scum so he becomes a dangerous tool against scum.

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I doubt two scum would claim Roleblocker and Tracker.

And we can make good use of momo if we lynch scum today.

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Formerfish looks town.

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And that's the hammer.

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momo, if you don't say your roleblock target, I'll assume it's Gin.

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Boonskiies + momo + Eddie Cane + me townblock would be enough to win the game if PP is scum.

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idk, massive is pretty easy to lynch, while I would expect opposition to Gin.

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Unless you all agree we're going to lynch Gin if momo dies and not get swayed by his WIFOM snakes.

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massive's lurkiness will probably make him a zero resistance lynch.

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As you wish.

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I was told to not quicklynch anymore.

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Most players called my alignment into question, and them being dead doesn't mean they were 100% on the right track.

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OK. So how do we figure out if Momo is on the level and actually did what he said he did to prevent a kill? How do we know that he isn't scum trying to frame massive because he knows he has to make a move on someone.

This is why reads exist.

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Scum is in slow process of being PoEd.

I got it down to Srceenplay, massive and Realeo.

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We've got this in the bag.

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Though, I would rather avoid lynching the town from the scumpool.

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I still think it's more likely momo hit the scum doing the kill, and I expect massive's partner to not be in a good position either.

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Also, this looks bad and we should look at it.

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After reading vote counts

I'm still comfortable with massive

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Also, this looks bad and we should look at it.

Here we go again man. I'll see if I can help. What part of that post pinged you and why?

At that point we were lynching LUV (who was scum) while he was pushing PP (who was town).

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I was pretty confident he was scum.

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I was pretty confident he was scum.

I'm asking why.

PoE
Moogin was bad
PP's vote seemed like a bus
Felt like this was PP

idk, I don't like explaining scumreads on flipped town.

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Uh-uh

idk, scum shouldn't keep bring other possibilities if their partner's lynch looks inevitable.

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What were your actions all game?

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Feeling like massclaim is the way.

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If we lynch scum today, we're in a good spot to win.

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I want to lynch the scum from them, not trade 1 PR for 1 scum.

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massive, crumbs.

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Or atleast tell where you softed your role.

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Ascetic Cop can't be the town only PR.

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Feeling like we should lynch outside them.

I'm pretty sure one of them must be town and if we lynch the other scum, momo can just roleblock massive again. We get an extra mislynch.

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And now that conclusion is irrelevant. Scum would just no kill again to implicate him...

Then tomorrow it'll be 7 players and we get an extra mislynch. Isn't that great?

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idk, I'm having doubt attacks.

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Doubts on either sides.

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Cop alone (as long it's open) is already balanced enough against a scumteam of all goons.

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Though, ascetic cop hints another PR.

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Ugh, I'm leaning at Town Doctor vs Scum Roleblocker, but it sorta doesn't make much sense.

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I still think we should massclaim.

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It might help us sort this massive v momo.

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And we're one mislynch away from MyLo/LyLo, good enough for a massclaim.

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Actually I'll stick with massive lynch.

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How many votes he is at?

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I'll be curious to see Momo's response to this claim.

Hmm

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If I had more claims I could tell with certainty who is scum.

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I still want a massclaim because I can't be sure who's town or who's scum.

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And I don't want to mislynch today and have scum claim whatever they want at MyLo/LyLo.

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wtf, there's no use at hiding your role anymore, we're nearly winning.

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By hiding you're just running the risk of not looking convincing next day incase we mislynch today.

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Ugh idk, consider my vote on both wagons.

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I thought you showed no reaction to LUV's claim.

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Why you didn't attack JupiterCrush when he claimed roleblocker?

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Yes, I claimed VT.

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I just need to be sure of all PR claims and then I'll say who's scum from momo/massive.

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Now we wait Realeo.

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Ugh, I hate waiting.

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Realeo will claim before Eddie Cane fullclaims.

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I want confirmation.

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Srceenplay, why were you against massclaim?

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Because I hate the idea of people have targets on their backs. PR's work effectively without scum knowing who or what they are. It's more information for scum and I don't like scum getting any new info.

Against mass claim.

VT

this actually makes me see screen as scum. I don't think he knows why he's against the mass claim.

I understand it with Formerfish. Screen just looks like he's trying to get town cred for avoiding it, but I think it's pretty town beneficial here.

Wrong. It has just been stated, everyone is assumed VT.
Town got no new info.
Scum got confirmation on PR's

One spot for you to read.

If everybody else claimed VT, it would confirm massive and momo as both town.